Eli lost his first 4 games and looked BAD
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Are we back on this....Manning was the real deal...I am afraid BQ is a poser.
Not to say he can't turn it around, but there really is little comparison between Quinn and the bad Manning.
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@danamal said:
Peen,You really have gone off the deepend about Quinn to the point that long interceptions are more appealing to you then the maturation of a first round draft pick who actually wants to be here.
I can't say you are totally incorrect as there is some truth in that, though I don't think there is going to be much maturation. If BQ was a rookie, I might agree, but he is a vet. Maturation is between the ears and not so much what is done on the field.
That is the point you and a few others need to remember...this isn't a rookie QB, and play time has little to do with it.
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As of game 16 of Eli's 4th year of starting in the NFL, he didn't have a single season that could match DA's stats or win percentage he put up in his only full season of starts.... so you are recommending we give lots of time waiting around for a QB that hasn't put the ball in the endzone with any real frequency and has a 7-2 turnover to TD ratio just in case he might come around like Eli did in game 48 or so?
1. DA statistically declined to the #32 QB in the NFL last year. You want to go back to him based on his '07 stats with '10 around the corner?
2. I thought Eli's leash was too long at the time. I'm not saying give Quinn the same leash, but at least half a season seems fair.
1. DA statistically declined to the #32 QB in the NFL last year. You want to go back to him based on his '07 stats with '10 around the corner?
2. I thought Eli's leash was too long at the time. I'm not saying give Quinn the same leash, but at least half a season seems fair.
I thought Brady was pulled too soon the moment I heard it, figured a minimum 5 games, maybe up to bye week, was in order.
I still find it odd people use the Eli Manning argument to support sticking with him, while others were saying it wasn't valid for DA even prior to the '08 season.
My thinking is Mangini came in with the thought that DA had tons of potential, and that maybe he could coax Favre out of "retirement" (he has a standing offer to Favre to come in and help with the young QBs) thinking he had another season or two in him still if the bicep injury healed, with the thought that Favre, DA and Ratliff would make a pretty potent combo for a season or two while the younger kids learned from Favre. Minnesota openly wanting him screwed that up and he had to give Brady a shot to keep Lerner (who would have creamed his shorts if Mangini could bring in Favre) off his back.
He probably at some point said to Lerner that he really thought someone other than BQ (not necessarily DA, but someone with his arm and attitude) would be a better long term answer. I'm thining Lerner has some kind of thing for beating Baltimore more than any other team, cause failure to do so has caused 2 QB pulls in consecutive years.
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Yes...and in D.A.'s fourth start he threw for 5 touchdowns and put up over 50 points I believe.
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@danamal said:
I agree to a certain extent and im not nor can I defend the kid but this team is god awful in alot of areas and lets face it no matter who is under center this season doesnt have many options but you damn well know what DA brings to the table and im not wild about either guy right now but I have a hard time putting this teams record all on Quinns shoulders right now and he hasnt been handled very well by this team.That may be Dan...I like you and will say this in closing...I think what is causing the bickering on the board is somewhat similar to arguing who is better....Terry Kirby or James Jackson?
One had to be better, but the guy on the winning end of the argument wouldn't have a lot of room to brag.
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As of game 16 of Eli's 4th year of starting in the NFL, he didn't have a single season that could match DA's stats or win percentage he put up in his only full season of starts.... so you are recommending we give lots of time waiting around for a QB that hasn't put the ball in the endzone with any real frequency and has a 7-2 turnover to TD ratio just in case he might come around like Eli did in game 48 or so?
Right. Difference being, Eli got the G-Men to a game 17. And a game 18. Maybe you recall those games.
That's what we Quinnbots are hoping to compare - not some individual silly statline garbage. (yes, I know the OP contained stats, but his point was to show humble beginnings culminating in the SuperBowl victory due to leadership, and strong play)
Maybe you should follow Tennis.
Right. Difference being, Eli got the G-Men to a game 17. And a game 18. Maybe you recall those games.
That's what we Quinnbots are hoping to compare - not some individual silly statline garbage. (yes, I know the OP contained stats, but his point was to show humble beginnings culminating in the SuperBowl victory due to leadership, and strong play)
Maybe you should follow Tennis.
It only took him 3 YEARS of missing the playoffs and one season of backing into the playoffs in '07, with no more wins than DA that year, to get to the playoffs.
Go ahead and be happy with Quinn leading the Browns to an 0 and 16 record with 4 or 5 TDs over the season, and maybe he'll get to the playoffs in 4 years. The only QB in recent Browns history to get 10 wins, with a team that hasn't won that many games total over several seasons without him, is sitting on the bench.
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Nice post. Eli didn't have a few bad games, he had many bad games, and he didn't actually get any good until their superbowl season. Manning stopped throwing interceptions, and his team took care of the rest.
It's perfectly valid to compare Quinn or many other QB's to Eli. He's simply an average QB in regard to his ability, but his franchise stuck with him and he eventually had his epiphany.
I bet Bernie is glad the Old Browns stuck with him.
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Without getting people mad at me I just want to say I have not been impressed with Quinn at all! Im not defending the interception machine Im just saying we have no reliable qb. Im not ok with giving Quinn a free pass because he is young. As far as comparing qb's goes there are a few rookies out there that had great seasons so don't sit there and say Eli this or Tom Brady that there is NO EXCUSE for our team always getting the shit stomped out of them.
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Right. Difference being, Eli got the G-Men to a game 17. And a game 18. Maybe you recall those games.
That's what we Quinnbots are hoping to compare - not some individual silly statline garbage. (yes, I know the OP contained stats, but his point was to show humble beginnings culminating in the SuperBowl victory due to leadership, and strong play)
Maybe you should follow Tennis.
It only took him 3 YEARS of missing the playoffs and one season of backing into the playoffs in '07, with no more wins than DA that year, to get to the playoffs.
Go ahead and be happy with Quinn leading the Browns to an 0 and 16 record with 4 or 5 TDs over the season, and maybe he'll get to the playoffs in 4 years. The only QB in recent Browns history to get 10 wins, with a team that hasn't won that many games total over several seasons without him, is sitting on the bench.
It only took him 3 YEARS of missing the playoffs and one season of backing into the playoffs in '07, with no more wins than DA that year, to get to the playoffs.
Go ahead and be happy with Quinn leading the Browns to an 0 and 16 record with 4 or 5 TDs over the season, and maybe he'll get to the playoffs in 4 years. The only QB in recent Browns history to get 10 wins, with a team that hasn't won that many games total over several seasons without him, is sitting on the bench.
Again with the same tired Straw Man. Please point to one post (mine or anyone but Playground's) that would even begin to suggest we are content let alone happy with Quinn's performance this year.
And when you get tired of staring at the number 0, go here to cool off:
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I just want us to win! And I hate excuses!
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Nice post. Eli didn't have a few bad games, he had many bad games, and he didn't actually get any good until their superbowl season. Manning stopped throwing interceptions, and his team took care of the rest.
It's perfectly valid to compare Quinn or many other QB's to Eli. He's simply an average QB in regard to his ability, but his franchise stuck with him and he eventually had his epiphany.
I bet Bernie is glad the Old Browns stuck with him.
...I bet Bernie is glad the Old Browns stuck with him.
For the record, Bernie's first year was pretty average. Rating of 69, 50% completions, 8 TD's, 7 INT's and 19 sacks. In his second year of play, he took off.
I get Quinn's ceiling maybe at the Rick Mirer level, but I'm saying it's just too soon to make that call.
He's definitely not a true rookie. He's definitely not a "3-year vet" as if he's had a lot of game play. He may be somewhat rusty if anything.
I think we can all agree he better put together some drives soon, if it's not too late. The excuses of tough competition, lack of this support and that support will only last so long. Again, I'd say they'd last half a season at most. The schedule isn't getting any easier with the Bengals, Steelers, Packers, Bears and Ravens in the next 6 weeks. That's the NFL.
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@inspecta said:
I've heard the Quinn haters state that he's not a rookie, and while that's true when it comes to playing time he is still very much a rookie. He's started 6 games.....6!I'm not writing him off as a pro just yet, however I've written him off as a Cleveland Brown. RAC and Mangini have done too much damage to the kid, there's no way he's gonna get the opportunity to just play. He'll always have to look over his shoulder, and in his mind he's always going to be thinking that the next interception or incompletion will lead to him going back to the bench. A young QB simply cannot play that way.
I hope they start DA the rest of the way now, not that I'm a huge fan, but at this point (and how disgusting is this?) he's our best chance to win.
Posters on this board were crucifying myself and a few others for pointing out that '07 was DA's first full season in a new offense and he was essentially a rookie game experience wise. What goes around comes around I guess.
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Eli was a rookie, on a bad team. Eli problems were also in the mind, Quinn's are in his throwing style. Quinn is not a rookie on bad team. The guy isn't any good, but you want to continue to believe
Eli was a rookie, on a bad team. Eli problems were also in the mind, Quinn's are in his throwing style. Quinn is not a rookie on bad team. The guy isn't any good, but you want to continue to believe
No; Quinn is a 3rd year player with virtually Zero experience....on a bad team... there really is not much difference between this and the Eli situation.
Peyton Manning said just this past monday.. His rookie year he went 3-13...saying he learned more in the 4th quarter of those 13 losses than he could possibly even begin to describe...
We do not KNOW he's no good. He needs time on the field.. The kid (Quinn) I saw last year who walked on to the field vs Denver with 1/2 a week of practice and did an amazing job.... is still the guy who looks terrible for us this year.I think he can still be a good QB as I liked the potential I saw in that Denver game last year. I do believe WE as fans and Quinn deserve to play out the season as starter.. We will get an idea what we have in the back half of the season. Then a decision can be made.. It's too early.
I understand this is frustrating for everyone..but it's bigger than just this season.
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I've heard the Quinn haters state that he's not a rookie, and while that's true when it comes to playing time he is still very much a rookie. He's started 6 games.....6!
Haters??
I think Ken Dorsey only had 9-10 starts before we had to start him last year. Using your logic he was pretty raw and inexperienced. Did we pull the plug to early on that guy?
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I've heard the Quinn haters state that he's not a rookie, and while that's true when it comes to playing time he is still very much a rookie. He's started 6 games.....6!
Haters??
I think Ken Dorsey only had 9-10 starts before we had to start him last year. Using your logic he was pretty raw and inexperienced. Did we pull the plug to early on that guy?
Haters??
I think Ken Dorsey only had 9-10 starts before we had to start him last year. Using your logic he was pretty raw and inexperienced. Did we pull the plug to early on that guy?
And here is where common sense & smarts play into the discussion about QB's pedigree, their former performances in college, and what that means about the length of their leash in the NFL.
Otherwise, we'd just be parroting the "Dorsey won the National Championship MVP, he deserves a shot/year as starter," nonsense.
But.
We.
Aren't.
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