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  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #72

    Seems that analytics is the problem. It's said the Browns use it the most?

    It's failing them. Too many mistakes in the draft.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/cleveland-browns-make-brutal-nfl-draft-blunder-haunt-them-for-years

    never mind. Sanders really looked pretty good in the Carolina game.

    Mason Graham will dominate on the dline.

    two picks after Graham was draft at 5, McMillan was a great pick at 7 overall by the Panthers.

    Those two were  best friends in school...

    https://www.panthers.com/news/tetairoa-mcmillan-and-mason-graham-come-full-circle-in-the-nfl-servite-high-ryan-kalil

    Tetairoa McMillan and Mason Graham come full circle in the NFL 

  • @flugel said:

    That wasn't the 1st time some of us wondered if the Browns drafted the right RB at Ohio State. Judkins might have still been a great pick if he didn't have this major character flaw.  As the ole saying goes - he didn't draft himself so sooner or later Berry is going to need to be held accountable for throwing away high round picks over "character"....  

    The problem for me is..Al Shabbaz Berry has a habitual problem "selecting the wrong player"... At some point you can't keep someone who makes choices detrimental to your team...

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
    #73

    @nickers said:

    The problem for me is..Al Shabbaz Berry has a habitual problem "selecting the wrong player"... At some point you can't keep someone who makes choices detrimental to your team...

    Eggs-actly!  

  • @berniesuperbowl2 said:

    The Browns had the right idea. Take an Ohio State running back in the 2nd round. They just took the wrong one ?. TreVeyon Henderson looked amazing last night. That kickoff return was insane

    That wasn't the 1st time some of us wondered if the Browns drafted the right RB at Ohio State. Judkins might have still been a great pick if he didn't have this major character flaw.  As the ole saying goes - he didn't draft himself so sooner or later Berry is going to need to be held accountable for throwing away high round picks over "character"....  

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
    #74

    @flugel said:

    Judkins might have still been a great pick if he didn't have this major character flaw

    Was that a known issue of his?  Did he have a history of poor behavior?  If so, then yes, wrong RB taken.  

  • @flugel said:

    Judkins might have still been a great pick if he didn't have this major character flaw

    Was that a known issue of his?  Did he have a history of poor behavior?  If so, then yes, wrong RB taken.  

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by Flugel
    #75

    @orion said:

    Was that a known issue of his?  Did he have a history of poor behavior?  If so, then yes, wrong RB taken.  

    I felt like I needed to edit this so I did.  I'm not aiming this at you Orion because it was a legit question you asked; but it's a nice opportunity to unload some of my frustration about it whether I'm right or wrong. I recently posted about what Bill Polian & John Butler did in their thorough background checks when they were compiling important data on all prospects they researched & were interested in prior to making final decisions at the draft. They went back as far as high school and junior high school.  They even got crazier with it all in some instances in terms of how far back they went.  All their diligent efforts ended up helping Buffalo win 4 consecutive AFC Championships. 

    Was it a known history for Michael Hall Jr heading to the 2024 draft?  I don't know. I'm not the one being paid the millions of $ that our FO guy (Berry) is while enjoying tenure for the Browns.  Both Judkins & Hall Jr were 2nd round picks in back to back years that are going to be suspended for the same thing. If I had to guess, some research could uncover a history of a bad temper or violence to the extent the Brown could have decided with the thought "let's go with TreVeyon Henderson instead."  DeShawn Watson who Berry surrendered 3 consecutive 1st round draft picks and others for - pretty much put himself into a situation where the Browns could ill-afford to give up back to back rookie seasons of 2nd round draft picks. Understanding our favorite team was only 3-14 last year - it's time we demand more from Berry or at least question wasn't there a better 2nd round pick for us than this?   I actually thought I liked the pick at first; but as fans we don't have the wealth of info any/most legit GMs should/do have on their investments for the team. Berry is making millions to get this right so it's okay to hold him accountable.

  • ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
    #76

    Character concerns don't always manifest in the same way.  Just because Judkins had no record of hitting women doesn't mean he didn't have character flaws.

    I know there were issues at Ole Miss. Evidently Judkins was complaining about NIL money and became a pain in the ass. Reports are Jaxson Dart didn't even want Judkins in the huddle it got so bad.  Lane Kiffin made no effort to retain Judkins.  He was relieved to see the guy transfer.

    There has to be something if a coach doesn't give a rip to see one of his best players leave. Sometimes the cheese is great but the stink doesn't make it worth it.

  • Character concerns don't always manifest in the same way.  Just because Judkins had no record of hitting women doesn't mean he didn't have character flaws.

    I know there were issues at Ole Miss. Evidently Judkins was complaining about NIL money and became a pain in the ass. Reports are Jaxson Dart didn't even want Judkins in the huddle it got so bad.  Lane Kiffin made no effort to retain Judkins.  He was relieved to see the guy transfer.

    There has to be something if a coach doesn't give a rip to see one of his best players leave. Sometimes the cheese is great but the stink doesn't make it worth it.

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
    #77

    @ballpeen said:

    Sometimes the cheese is great but the stink doesn't make it worth it.

    ...could be applied to Watson.

  • @ballpeen said:

    Sometimes the cheese is great but the stink doesn't make it worth it.

    ...could be applied to Watson.

    ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
    #78

    @orion said:

    ...could be applied to Watson.

    It can be applied to a lot of people and things.

  • sydS syd wrote on last edited by
    #79
  • OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by Orion
    #80

    @syd said:

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    2hon MSN

    Browns running back waives his right to a speedy trial, leaving his career on hold

    Been wondering if there was any news on this.  But it's not great news.

    Hopefully, Mr. Ballpeen may shed some light on waiving the right to a speedy trial.  Is he hoping she'll finally accept a bribe and drop the charges?

  • @syd said:

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    2hon MSN

    Browns running back waives his right to a speedy trial, leaving his career on hold

    Been wondering if there was any news on this.  But it's not great news.

    Hopefully, Mr. Ballpeen may shed some light on waiving the right to a speedy trial.  Is he hoping she'll finally accept a bribe and drop the charges?

    sydS syd wrote on last edited by
    #81

    @orion said:

    Been wondering if there was any news on this.  But it's not great news.

    Hopefully, Mr. Ballpeen may shed some light on waiving the right to a speedy trial.  Is he hoping she'll finally accept a bribe and drop the charges?

    or as Hall's girlfriend did last year, you don't look a cash cow in the mouth