Flaccomania part 2, Electric Boogaloo
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Apparently, you like Sanders more than I ever gave you credit for.
After watching both Sanders & Gabriel, I think that Gabriel is the better fit for what Stef wants in a QB. Analogy: Sanders kind of wound up on his doorstep in the pouring rain, with nowhere to go, asking...Can I please come in?
I don't want to call Stef a Don Shula....but LIKE a Don Shula, I think Stef can coach and pull success from just about any type of QB. I think that he's demonstrated that in his time with us. I mean, in one season there, he went from Deshaun Watson style offense, all the way to the other end of the spectrum to a Flacco type offense, and everywhere in between with the bottom feeder QB's he had to use in the time between Watson & Flacco. And he won some games with those bottom feeders. That season truly was a testament to coaching.
He didn’t exactly have much success with the Watson style offense. But not exactly like DTR or Watson had the capability for it.
Large success with the west coast timing style though and Flacco. That style is a little rare in the NFL these days though.
I think when stefanski had Watson and DTR to work with there was truly nothing he could have done though. Him making PJ Walker look competent at times was impressive though.
He didn’t exactly have much success with the Watson style offense. But not exactly like DTR or Watson had the capability for it.
Right. The back of my mind thinks that the Haslam & DePo team wanted the flashier style offense. Perhaps under the guise of analytics driven football. And if Stef wanted to remain being the HC then he was going to have to march to that drum beat. Of course, he had to throw most of that playbook, along with a lot of analytics driven principals into the trash once Watson hurt himself and he was stuck with the likes of PJ Walker & DTR. Haslam likes flashy things.
I always harken back to Depo saying on camera, We're not interested in 4 yard runs. We want 13 yard passes.
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Here's hoping the Browns stomp Cincy in the opener, and go from there. Flacco should help stabilize things at the onset, just stay healthy.
The national pundits are wrong. The Browns are a decent football team.
Please prove me right, I don't think I can handle another draft thread in October.
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I think Sanders could be an interesting match for Stefanski’s offense too. I just don’t want to rush him.
This feeling is starting to grow on me as well. So I'll be the (womp, womp) Debbie Downer here....
If he's the man, I want him to step up and show us.
I don't want him to leave any doubt that he is or he is not. I'm sick of talking draft, it consumes about 9 months of our discussions here, but I also don't want to miss out on the 2026 QB Draft Class if he is not.
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I agree.
I think Stefanski pounded the table for Garbriel and cringed when we selected Sanders.
I think Stefanski.......cringed when we selected Sanders.
Maybe...but at the end of the day, we have him. And he's shown a decent half of football. And he's a QB. As we wind on down the road, someone's going to be wanting a QB. If he can get in the game against the Rams and play decently again, what does that do for his trade value during the season? I mean, they'll have had/seen him all offseason, TC and preseason. Maybe, they've seen (and heard) enough of him to know that they'd consider trading him away for the right offer. And with a little more decent film on him we could request substantially higher than his 5th round pick status.
More likely, however, a team would be in REAL need of a QB to start and it would be Pickett that they'd want.
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I think Stefanski.......cringed when we selected Sanders.
Maybe...but at the end of the day, we have him. And he's shown a decent half of football. And he's a QB. As we wind on down the road, someone's going to be wanting a QB. If he can get in the game against the Rams and play decently again, what does that do for his trade value during the season? I mean, they'll have had/seen him all offseason, TC and preseason. Maybe, they've seen (and heard) enough of him to know that they'd consider trading him away for the right offer. And with a little more decent film on him we could request substantially higher than his 5th round pick status.
More likely, however, a team would be in REAL need of a QB to start and it would be Pickett that they'd want.
I can't wait for the timeline where Flacco comes in week one, lights up the Bengals, we all get Flacco fever and immediately get regressed to the mean haha. In all seriousness, I really think week one could start as a win. Home game against an infamously slow starting team and a veteran QB against a terrible defense has all the makings of an upset.
I'm totally fine with this, though. Let Joe navigate an otherwise tough start of the season, continue to let Gabriel/Sanders battle it out behind the scenes and in the likely event of a regress to the mean put the best man in.
More likely, however, a team would be in REAL need of a QB to start and it would be Pickett that they'd want.
They can talk about having 4 QBs all they want, I cannot imagine that actually happening. Pickett will absolutely have a market as a post-cut backup somewhere, a la Josh Dobbs a few years back. The Cowboys QB room for example looks dreadful after Dak (Milton looked God awful last week). I'm confident they could get a pick somewhat relative to the 5th they spent.
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I can't wait for the timeline where Flacco comes in week one, lights up the Bengals, we all get Flacco fever and immediately get regressed to the mean haha. In all seriousness, I really think week one could start as a win. Home game against an infamously slow starting team and a veteran QB against a terrible defense has all the makings of an upset.
I'm totally fine with this, though. Let Joe navigate an otherwise tough start of the season, continue to let Gabriel/Sanders battle it out behind the scenes and in the likely event of a regress to the mean put the best man in.
More likely, however, a team would be in REAL need of a QB to start and it would be Pickett that they'd want.
They can talk about having 4 QBs all they want, I cannot imagine that actually happening. Pickett will absolutely have a market as a post-cut backup somewhere, a la Josh Dobbs a few years back. The Cowboys QB room for example looks dreadful after Dak (Milton looked God awful last week). I'm confident they could get a pick somewhat relative to the 5th they spent.
They can talk about having 4 QBs all they want, I cannot imagine that actually happening.
I can imagine it for you:
They traded for and signed their starting & backup QB's before the draft. Flacco & Pickett
The plan was to draft their developmental QB in the 'Developmental QB Talent Level' draft.....knowing that you probably wouldn't want him seeing the field
And so here we are. All set. We've got all three. Starter, Backup & Developmental. It's just that the Developmental guy brought a friend. And they're both doing well enough that you're not letting either of them go.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Week 3 will likely be the dress rehearsal for the offense. So it's my hope that Sanders and Gabriel get a quarter of work each afterwards with the 2s and 3s in an even distribution of personnel time.
Both Sanders and Gabriel had their struggles, although for different reasons. I also couldn't help but notice the differences in play calls between both QBs, formations, pre-snap structure and post snap structure.
I'd like to see Sanders get some of the looks Gabriel got and vice versa. Will go a long way towards evaluating them.
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They can talk about having 4 QBs all they want, I cannot imagine that actually happening.
I can imagine it for you:
They traded for and signed their starting & backup QB's before the draft. Flacco & Pickett
The plan was to draft their developmental QB in the 'Developmental QB Talent Level' draft.....knowing that you probably wouldn't want him seeing the field
And so here we are. All set. We've got all three. Starter, Backup & Developmental. It's just that the Developmental guy brought a friend. And they're both doing well enough that you're not letting either of them go.
I can imagine it for you:
They traded for and signed their starting & backup QB's before the draft. Flacco & Pickett
The plan was to draft their developmental QB in the 'Developmental QB Talent Level' draft.....knowing that you probably wouldn't want him seeing the field
And so here we are. All set. We've got all three. Starter, Backup & Developmental. It's just that the Developmental guy brought a friend. And they're both doing well enough that you're not letting either of them go.
I suspect Pickett will be unloaded. Him not playing in any preseason game(they said today he wont play Saturday) should really mean we get rid of him. He isn't doing anything at this point.
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Here's hoping the Browns stomp Cincy in the opener, and go from there. Flacco should help stabilize things at the onset, just stay healthy.
The national pundits are wrong. The Browns are a decent football team.
Please prove me right, I don't think I can handle another draft thread in October.
Here's hoping the Browns stomp Cincy in the opener, and go from there. Flacco should help stabilize things at the onset, just stay healthy.
The national pundits are wrong. The Browns are a decent football team.
Please prove me right, I don't think I can handle another draft thread in October.
Looking at the schedule, I struggle to find many (any) games where I'm like "Oh yeah, the Browns will be favored to win THAT game."
Sorry Bob, but a draft thread in October is probably inevitable. Hope I'm wrong, but this schedule is brutal.
When can we get one of these Charmin soft Baker in Tampa Bay schedules? ?
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Here's hoping the Browns stomp Cincy in the opener, and go from there. Flacco should help stabilize things at the onset, just stay healthy.
The national pundits are wrong. The Browns are a decent football team.
Please prove me right, I don't think I can handle another draft thread in October.
Looking at the schedule, I struggle to find many (any) games where I'm like "Oh yeah, the Browns will be favored to win THAT game."
Sorry Bob, but a draft thread in October is probably inevitable. Hope I'm wrong, but this schedule is brutal.
When can we get one of these Charmin soft Baker in Tampa Bay schedules? ?
Looking at the schedule, I struggle to find many (any) games where I'm like "Oh yeah, the Browns will be favored to win THAT game."
Sorry Bob, but a draft thread in October is probably inevitable. Hope I'm wrong, but this schedule is brutal.
When can we get one of these Charmin soft Baker in Tampa Bay schedules? ?
Lol ...the Shedeur fans might end up being more annoying than the Baker fans, it's already starting. I'm hoping Shedeur gets to play eventually, but if he doesn't that means we're winning!!
I agree the schedule is brutal. I think we can split with the NFC North & AFC North, take down SF & Buffalo ( yep, upset special on the Bills game).
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Here's hoping the Browns stomp Cincy in the opener, and go from there. Flacco should help stabilize things at the onset, just stay healthy.
The national pundits are wrong. The Browns are a decent football team.
Please prove me right, I don't think I can handle another draft thread in October.
Looking at the schedule, I struggle to find many (any) games where I'm like "Oh yeah, the Browns will be favored to win THAT game."
Sorry Bob, but a draft thread in October is probably inevitable. Hope I'm wrong, but this schedule is brutal.
When can we get one of these Charmin soft Baker in Tampa Bay schedules? ?
When can we get one of these Charmin soft Baker in Tampa Bay schedules? ?
Maybe get cal to intervene since he has some pull.................................or maybe he just pulls, not sure.?
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I can't wait for the timeline where Flacco comes in week one, lights up the Bengals, we all get Flacco fever and immediately get regressed to the mean haha. In all seriousness, I really think week one could start as a win. Home game against an infamously slow starting team and a veteran QB against a terrible defense has all the makings of an upset.
I'm totally fine with this, though. Let Joe navigate an otherwise tough start of the season, continue to let Gabriel/Sanders battle it out behind the scenes and in the likely event of a regress to the mean put the best man in.
More likely, however, a team would be in REAL need of a QB to start and it would be Pickett that they'd want.
They can talk about having 4 QBs all they want, I cannot imagine that actually happening. Pickett will absolutely have a market as a post-cut backup somewhere, a la Josh Dobbs a few years back. The Cowboys QB room for example looks dreadful after Dak (Milton looked God awful last week). I'm confident they could get a pick somewhat relative to the 5th they spent.
I can't wait for the timeline where Flacco comes in week one, lights up the Bengals, we all get Flacco fever and immediately get regressed to the mean haha. In all seriousness, I really think week one could start as a win. Home game against an infamously slow starting team and a veteran QB against a terrible defense has all the makings of an upset.
I’m not sure how it will play out, but the Bengals are taking a new approach to camp this year where they’re getting after it a bit harder than they have the last few years and actually playing starters in preseason games. They’ve taken plenty of flack for their slow starts so this is their attempt at fixing it. We’ll see how it goes..
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I can imagine it for you:
They traded for and signed their starting & backup QB's before the draft. Flacco & Pickett
The plan was to draft their developmental QB in the 'Developmental QB Talent Level' draft.....knowing that you probably wouldn't want him seeing the field
And so here we are. All set. We've got all three. Starter, Backup & Developmental. It's just that the Developmental guy brought a friend. And they're both doing well enough that you're not letting either of them go.
I suspect Pickett will be unloaded. Him not playing in any preseason game(they said today he wont play Saturday) should really mean we get rid of him. He isn't doing anything at this point.
I suspect Pickett will be unloaded. Him not playing in any preseason game(they said today he wont play Saturday) should really mean we get rid of him. He isn't doing anything at this point.
That would mean that they're ok with one of the rookies being the backup. We've seen that not work out too well. We'll have to see how they look against the Rams.
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Shedur is back at practice and may play Saturday, Kenny is still hurt and i have know idea about Dillon, But i would think he would play on Saturday
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They can talk about having 4 QBs all they want, I cannot imagine that actually happening.
I can imagine it for you:
They traded for and signed their starting & backup QB's before the draft. Flacco & Pickett
The plan was to draft their developmental QB in the 'Developmental QB Talent Level' draft.....knowing that you probably wouldn't want him seeing the field
And so here we are. All set. We've got all three. Starter, Backup & Developmental. It's just that the Developmental guy brought a friend. And they're both doing well enough that you're not letting either of them go.
I can imagine it for you:
They traded for and signed their starting & backup QB's before the draft. Flacco & Pickett
The plan was to draft their developmental QB in the 'Developmental QB Talent Level' draft.....knowing that you probably wouldn't want him seeing the field
And so here we are. All set. We've got all three. Starter, Backup & Developmental. It's just that the Developmental guy brought a friend. And they're both doing well enough that you're not letting either of them go.
.....right, but I'm not sure that changes what I said. The practicality of keeping four QB's on a roster is not good, at all. Having a back-end roster spot for a person who can only do one thing doesn't make logical sense. There's also a 0% chance Sanders or Gabriel make it to the PS without being scooped up. My guess? Pickett goes on a 4 game IR or gets traded.
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For all the talk of getting back to the "Stefanski offense"... so far this pre-season I've seen less UC outside zone and bootlegs than previous years.
I've seen more movement to create backside blocks, sift, Z motion, H motion, far trap, etc etc than I have before under this regime.
I'm beginning to believe that Tommy Rees has really brought another element to the coaching staff that most haven't begun to notice let alone appreciate.
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