The 2026 NFL DRAFT QB derby watch!
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Well done!!! My point of all that wasn't to make you change your mind about him or win an argument - clearly I'd lose this one. Having said that, I just want to make the point of what he did at a school that never did anything in the SEC warranted him being hired at PSU. Former NFL Coach Bill O'Brien tried at Penn State and only lasted 2 years. They may just be Nittany Lions but that program was a bigger animal than people realize. Despite the despicable stuff that unfolded with Joe PA in charge - the standard and expectation to win there never died. The true magic or strength of James Franklin is the energy and positivity he brings and instills in guys. He got Jordan Rodgers to come to Vanderbilt who warned Franklin "I'm not my brother Aaron." He told him that's good because I'm not recruiting him - I want you as you. You're the fit I need here. The only thing I ask is that you believe in yourself the same way you did in the film I watched of you. It's all there. Franklin improved the weight room and everything about the football program. They went from football follies before he arrived to 6-7 followed by TWO consecutive 9-4 records in the SEC inclusive of beating their biggest rival UT and making 3 consecutive Bowl Games (winning 1 or 2 of them). We're talking VANDY Football.
As we speak, Penn State climbed into the topic for being one of the elite teams in the Big 10 (in a conference that's more loaded than it's ever been with Oregon and other Pacific Coast schools joining it). Ohio State made some changes that helped get them over the top (and yet - they still lost 2 games to teams they were favored to beat) in their National Championship Season. Where I don't have 2 legs to stand on is being able to guarantee you James Franklin can get it done; and I might have just pulled a hamstring with all this effort. That said, he's competing like a champion with some of the recruits he's been bringing in there. Outside of the WR tradition at OSU - I don't think there's a huge difference between Day and Franklin especially now that he added Knowles.
Believe it or not, my 1st impression of Ryan Day was a GREAT one. I still like the guy but I sure wish he'd take the biggest rivalry in college football a lot closer to the level Urban Meyer got it to. The special I saw on Michigan's magic (aside from the asterisks required to pull a lot if it off) is they designate a little practice time toward Ohio State every week of the season. The more prepared they are - it sure seems like the less tense and more confident they are in the game plan (and those asterisks). There are a lot of similarities between Day and Franklin except Urban Meyer already had Ohio State at the elite level that Bill O'Brien didn't have Penn State anywhere close to.
Not to discredit anything Franklin has done - the details you share about Vandy are eye opening. He more than just moved the needle in Vandy he shifted the culture and the program. That deserves respect. A clear program builder type coach with a lot of charisma. But Taking very good to elite we will see…he’s beat Urban led OSU once and is a clear step behind in the chase for a National Title.
I could be wrong but Penn State has strategically built their program on elite talent like OSU but recently it seems they don’t go head to head to get that talent - OSU and PSU seemed to fight over guys like Micah Parsons in the past but not so much anymore. He’s smart and strategic. The arrogant OSU fan in me tells me a kid has choice between the two he goes to OSU unless big money talks.
Ryan Day appears to not just have a clear advantage at WR. He has an overwhelming advantage at developing and putting out elite QB play. That is a 1a proposition in college football you have and advantage here you are competing each year for a national title. Franklin is not even in his shadow here.
The Franklin critics point to his game management in big games and his O Coordinator gameplans. I look squarely at the QB play and it is year after year
Knowles was generally liked at OSU especially toward the end of his tenure. He had his other moments given some his Michigan defensive gameplans and OSUs 2022 performance against Georgia (leaving safeties on an island against speedy Georgia WRs).
Ryan Day appears to not just have a clear advantage at WR. He has an overwhelming advantage at developing and putting out elite QB play. That is a 1a proposition in college football you have and advantage here you are competing each year for a national title. Franklin is not even in his shadow here.
The Franklin critics point to his game management in big games and his O Coordinator gameplans. I look squarely at the QB play and it is year after year
How about this for timing? To your points I bolded above, in a 52-6 win over Villanova - Franklin's QB (Allar) barely completes over 50% of his passes with a 16 of 29 performance.
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See tia,told you so. LOL!?
See tia,told you so. LOL!?
Just a guess Aggies - but I'm thinking someone is a very proud feller about what his team accomplished at Notre Dame yesterday.
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See tia,told you so. LOL!?
Just a guess Aggies - but I'm thinking someone is a very proud feller about what his team accomplished at Notre Dame yesterday.
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Ryan Day appears to not just have a clear advantage at WR. He has an overwhelming advantage at developing and putting out elite QB play. That is a 1a proposition in college football you have and advantage here you are competing each year for a national title. Franklin is not even in his shadow here.
The Franklin critics point to his game management in big games and his O Coordinator gameplans. I look squarely at the QB play and it is year after year
How about this for timing? To your points I bolded above, in a 52-6 win over Villanova - Franklin's QB (Allar) barely completes over 50% of his passes with a 16 of 29 performance.
How about this for timing? To your points I bolded above, in a 52-6 win over Villanova - Franklin's QB (Allar) barely completes over 50% of his passes with a 16 of 29 performance.
But Against Nova. -
But Against Nova.Eggs-actly!
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The only QB watch for me at this time is to see what Garbriel looks like when we finally move on from Joe. I like Joe but this O needs a qb who can move some. When Joe moves it looks like he is plodding his way through a knee deep pool of peanut butter.
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I love Joe but this check down charlie shit aint workin none...
Seeing what we saw - it's a waste of time putting him back out there. His processor today doesn't look like it's ready to be re-acclimated to the speed of the game again. If it was - would Indy have given up on him in the first place? The game yesterday reminded me of the playoff game against Houston.
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Adding another name after watching Indiana Illinois. Fernando Mendoza IU. Looker alot like a young Joe Flacco.
Size and arm strength were apparent Saturday
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Adding another name after watching Indiana Illinois. Fernando Mendoza IU. Looker alot like a young Joe Flacco.
Size and arm strength were apparent Saturday
Adding another name after watching Indiana Illinois. Fernando Mendoza IU. Looker alot like a young Joe Flacco.
Size and arm strength were apparent Saturday
Let’s take the IU WR Elijah Sarratt while we’re at it.
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I'm not sure there really is a better QB than either rookie we now have. OL and WR 1.
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I'm not sure there really is a better QB than either rookie we now have. OL and WR 1.
I'm not sure there really is a better QB than either rookie we now have. OL and WR 1.
You aren't sure there is a QB in college now that is better than either rookie who haven't played one down in the regular season of an NFL game?
One rookie that I would guess the overall feeling is the Browns drafted a round or two early, and another rookie who seemingly is even behind THAT guy in the eyes of the coaching staff.
The Browns will have a top 10 pick.
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I'm not sure there really is a better QB than either rookie we now have. OL and WR 1.
You aren't sure there is a QB in college now that is better than either rookie who haven't played one down in the regular season of an NFL game?
One rookie that I would guess the overall feeling is the Browns drafted a round or two early, and another rookie who seemingly is even behind THAT guy in the eyes of the coaching staff.
The Browns will have a top 10 pick.
You aren't sure there is a QB in college now that is better than either rookie who haven't played one down in the regular season of an NFL game?
One rookie that I would guess the overall feeling is the Browns drafted a round or two early, and another rookie who seemingly is even behind THAT guy in the eyes of the coaching staff.
The Browns will have a top 10 pick.
But this upcoming class of QBs does not appear any better to me than this years. That's really my point. Name one who is a high 1st rounder.
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You aren't sure there is a QB in college now that is better than either rookie who haven't played one down in the regular season of an NFL game?
One rookie that I would guess the overall feeling is the Browns drafted a round or two early, and another rookie who seemingly is even behind THAT guy in the eyes of the coaching staff.
The Browns will have a top 10 pick.
But this upcoming class of QBs does not appear any better to me than this years. That's really my point. Name one who is a high 1st rounder.
But this upcoming class of QBs does not appear any better to me than this years. That's really my point. Name one who is a high 1st rounder.
I feel fairly confident that of a list of six to eight guys, one of them would be worthy of a top 10 pick.
But I would feel better, as you would, if there was some slam-dunk Andrew Luck guy in this draft. That would make me feel all warm and/or fuzzy in the cockles of my heart. Perhaps even all the way down into the sub-cockle area.
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You aren't sure there is a QB in college now that is better than either rookie who haven't played one down in the regular season of an NFL game?
One rookie that I would guess the overall feeling is the Browns drafted a round or two early, and another rookie who seemingly is even behind THAT guy in the eyes of the coaching staff.
The Browns will have a top 10 pick.
But this upcoming class of QBs does not appear any better to me than this years. That's really my point. Name one who is a high 1st rounder.
But this upcoming class of QBs does not appear any better to me than this years. That's really my point. Name one who is a high 1st rounder.
I’d say 26 is better. I agree we need a WR1 and an OT too.
Ward would up there in 2026 although he’s struggled this year.
Nussmeier and Sellers will be in mix.
Allar will convince some teams with his arm talent and some wise guys will believe he was held back at Penn State (can’t develope anything)Klubnik, Beck and Mateer are Dart level guys
Mendoza, Levitt are sleepers
Taylen Green vs Notre Dame this weekend is worth a watch he’s an athlete with some tools although raw
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But this upcoming class of QBs does not appear any better to me than this years. That's really my point. Name one who is a high 1st rounder.
I’d say 26 is better. I agree we need a WR1 and an OT too.
Ward would up there in 2026 although he’s struggled this year.
Nussmeier and Sellers will be in mix.
Allar will convince some teams with his arm talent and some wise guys will believe he was held back at Penn State (can’t develope anything)Klubnik, Beck and Mateer are Dart level guys
Mendoza, Levitt are sleepers
Taylen Green vs Notre Dame this weekend is worth a watch he’s an athlete with some tools although raw
I’d say 26 is better. I agree we need a WR1 and an OT too.
Ward would up there in 2026 although he’s struggled this year.
Nussmeier and Sellers will be in mix.
Allar will convince some teams with his arm talent and some wise guys will believe he was held back at Penn State (can’t develope anything)Klubnik, Beck and Mateer are Dart level guys
Mendoza, Levitt are sleepers
Taylen Green vs Notre Dame this weekend is worth a watch he’s an athlete with some tools although raw
I wish I would’ve actually watched the Indiana vs Illinois game, but I tuned out because it was a laugher. I’m curious about Mendoza.
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I’d say 26 is better. I agree we need a WR1 and an OT too.
Ward would up there in 2026 although he’s struggled this year.
Nussmeier and Sellers will be in mix.
Allar will convince some teams with his arm talent and some wise guys will believe he was held back at Penn State (can’t develope anything)Klubnik, Beck and Mateer are Dart level guys
Mendoza, Levitt are sleepers
Taylen Green vs Notre Dame this weekend is worth a watch he’s an athlete with some tools although raw
I wish I would’ve actually watched the Indiana vs Illinois game, but I tuned out because it was a laugher. I’m curious about Mendoza.
I wish I would’ve actually watched the Indiana vs Illinois game, but I tuned out because it was a laugher. I’m curious about Mendoza.
He will get some Flacco comps. (Size, stands tall in the pocket and lumbers a bit - not Joe speed now)
He has a quick release and was very accurate Saturday but Illinois was awful. Lots of bubble screens but had some nice zip and ball placement on slant routes. He didnt make too many tough throws lots of YAC.
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I wish I would’ve actually watched the Indiana vs Illinois game, but I tuned out because it was a laugher. I’m curious about Mendoza.
He will get some Flacco comps. (Size, stands tall in the pocket and lumbers a bit - not Joe speed now)
He has a quick release and was very accurate Saturday but Illinois was awful. Lots of bubble screens but had some nice zip and ball placement on slant routes. He didnt make too many tough throws lots of YAC.
He will get some Flacco comps. (Size, stands tall in the pocket and lumbers a bit - not Joe speed now)
He has a quick release and was very accurate Saturday but Illinois was awful. Lots of bubble screens but had some nice zip and ball placement on slant routes. He didnt make too many tough throws lots of YAC.
Hard to believe Illinois was favored in that game this time last week.
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I'm not sure there really is a better QB than either rookie we now have. OL and WR 1.
You aren't sure there is a QB in college now that is better than either rookie who haven't played one down in the regular season of an NFL game?
One rookie that I would guess the overall feeling is the Browns drafted a round or two early, and another rookie who seemingly is even behind THAT guy in the eyes of the coaching staff.
The Browns will have a top 10 pick.
You aren't sure there is a QB in college now that is better than either rookie who haven't played one down in the regular season of an NFL game?
One rookie that I would guess the overall feeling is the Browns drafted a round or two early, and another rookie who seemingly is even behind THAT guy in the eyes of the coaching staff.
The Browns will have a top 10 pick.
Didn't they just have the #2 overall pick? The problem is the supply of football messiahs at QB didn't meet the demand for one as early as #2 overall. So, yeah they traded back to #5 overall and got a sure thing at DT + an extra 1st round pick next year.
WHO is assuring you that has changed this year? A guy at LSU in a program that always has WRs like Jarvis Landry, Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Brian Thomas Jr, Malik Nabors, etc not to mention a LT (Will Campbell) good enough to be drafted at #4 overall. What does Cleveland offer Nussmeier that would be remotely close to that? 1 more episode of oft-injured projected starting tackles Dawand Jones & Jack Conklin + a Jerry Jeudy on the perimeter as the #1 WR here hoping his inability to separate doesn't come back to haunt him like it did in Denver. This has culture shock written all over it for a guy spoiled with everything at LSU. Meanwhile Bitonio continues to think about retirement every bit as much as his next opponent.
And then there's McShay's early favorite - a 1-3 Cade Klubnik (who's only about 1 inch taller Gabriel) that can't even carry a program like Clemson right now. All of sudden, guess who can't coach? Yabo Dabo Dooo!
Some guys put all their marbles into the 2026 draft for their QB savior here. Gotta tell ya - these guys look more like the QBs the Browns just drafted. Some can be great for an organization & ownership that is patient enough to develop one. In particular, LaNorris Sellers (SC) & Sam Leavitt (ASU). Then there's Drew Allar where any time you see his name the 2 words that often seem to follow are "Yeah But" - and why? For the guys in here endlessly searching for the next from Ohio - He's not Bernie Kosar yet but he's better than previous Calfox fave Charlie Frye once upon a time. I think the worry is he's gonna end up like Brady Quinn or Mitch Trubisky. Tough to say because I stink at pegging QBs and 1 more year looking at a draft without any QB prospects full of miracles the job in Cleveland will demand.
Brian Sipe was an accident turned beneficiary of the disaster that came from trading HOF WR Paul Warfield to Miami for the 3rd overall pick to draft Mike Phipps. Sipe was a 13th round pick because he lacked the arm strength most teams were looking for; but he was good enough to keep around on the bench learning for a long time before he had to step into his fate. Phipps was a guy that got overrated by the Browns for enormous perceived need here. Today, our next Sipe could be Dillon Gabriel who's only about 1" shorter with a much stronger arm. If we don't get a Tackle or 2 that can provide reliability on the edge - it makes life and learning curves impossible for the young QB in training as well as a fair evaluation process here. We also need a WR.
If it wasn't for 1 Supplemental Draft during my lifetime as a fan (85 - Kosar) - who has been the 1st round Keeper at QB here? There is no Mike Evans here that made a star out of Johnny Manziel at A&M and had Tom Brady wanting in on 100% of the Evans & Godwin tandem that would also entice Gronk to unretire. They also drafted OT Tristan Wirfs who allegedly would never be able to play LT. Guess how many Pro Bowls he's made there since he moved there from RT? Someone researched work ethic in the same draft nobody did that with Wills.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
He will get some Flacco comps. (Size, stands tall in the pocket and lumbers a bit - not Joe speed now)
He has a quick release and was very accurate Saturday but Illinois was awful. Lots of bubble screens but had some nice zip and ball placement on slant routes. He didnt make too many tough throws lots of YAC.
Hard to believe Illinois was favored in that game this time last week.
Hard to believe Illinois was favored in that game this time last week.
I thought Indiana was a 3 or 4 point favorite and it ballooned up to just under a TD. Indiana is better at QB this year I don’t know about the rest of the team, but being pretty good there means you have a pretty good shot in any game
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