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  • @flugel said:

    Probably just a lot of the guys that were old enough to see Kosar play in 12 games (starting 10 or 11 of those) as a rookie in 1985

    A week ago Kosar said not to play Gabriel yet.  

    As far as the 2026 QB Watch, darned Jaguars beat the 49'ers.  🙁  

    @orion said:

    A week ago Kosar said not to play Gabriel yet.  

    As far as the 2026 QB Watch, darned Jaguars beat the 49'ers.  🙁  

    Yeah Jax's D might be for real. They could win 10 games or more, so it's a possible later 1st rounder ( 18 or higher)

  • @orion said:

    A week ago Kosar said not to play Gabriel yet.  

    As far as the 2026 QB Watch, darned Jaguars beat the 49'ers.  🙁  

    Yeah Jax's D might be for real. They could win 10 games or more, so it's a possible later 1st rounder ( 18 or higher)

    @bob806 said:

    Yeah Jax's D might be for real. They could win 10 games or more, so it's a possible later 1st rounder ( 18 or higher)

    With each passing day, my opinions are shifting.

    At this point, I'm not opposed to taking the best LT in the draft. It doesn't matter who is taking snaps, if they have no time, no pocket and no protection the offense isn't going anywhere. Plus, (as Ballpeen) has mentioned a time or two, a Kevin Stefanski offense doesn't need a HOF QB, just a solid QB. I'm not sure Berry should get to make that pick.

    I think Fernando Mendoza (Cal/IU) is methodically moving himself towards the top of the draft class. IU is in Autzen this weekend...so this is his opportunity to show the country what he's got.

    **College Football side note. That Oregon D is pretty good. Matayo Uiagalelei is a whale of a ball player. He might be the first Edge off the board next April.

  • @orion said:

    A week ago Kosar said not to play Gabriel yet.  

    As far as the 2026 QB Watch, darned Jaguars beat the 49'ers.  🙁  

    Yeah Jax's D might be for real. They could win 10 games or more, so it's a possible later 1st rounder ( 18 or higher)

    @bob806 said:

    Yeah Jax's D might be for real. They could win 10 games or more, so it's a possible later 1st rounder ( 18 or higher)

    How are you liking Keuka Lake Bob?  Where are/were you staying?  Closer to Branchport or Hammondsport? We have cousins in Penn Yan; and 1 of the football camps I attended was at Keuka Lake in 78, 79, 80 & 81.   The bunkhouse was right on the shore.  The practices were across the street and WAY up the hill from the dining hall adjacent to the recreation area/barn.  In 81, they moved it across the Lake to Keuka College on the opposite shore. My mom's best friend had a gorgeous cottage on Keuka Lake that she invited us to come stay at for about 3-4 days every summer.  It worked out because we were all good friends with her kids about the same age as each of us.  Fond memories of that Lake growing up.  We lived closest to Canandaigua Lake; but that Lake was always so busy that it didn't have quite the same attraction.

    I hope you're having/had fun there this week.

  • @flugel having a blast up here, our 2nd time camping at Keuka Lake SP ( first time was 2017). My youngest son & his wife joined us, we arrived last Thursday, leaving tomorrow to Seneca Rocks, WV.  Trip map below lol we are lucky to be able to do this 

    The Finger Lakes are a great visit. Discover America!!

    We hit up a few wineries, played a little golf, watched college & NFL at the campground....fall trips are the best for camping IMHO.

    Our furthest point will be down at Brazos Bend State Park in Texas, about an hour from my oldest son's house in Houston.

    Screenshot_20250929-135740.png

  • A AP1

    @bob806 said:

    Yeah Jax's D might be for real. They could win 10 games or more, so it's a possible later 1st rounder ( 18 or higher)

    With each passing day, my opinions are shifting.

    At this point, I'm not opposed to taking the best LT in the draft. It doesn't matter who is taking snaps, if they have no time, no pocket and no protection the offense isn't going anywhere. Plus, (as Ballpeen) has mentioned a time or two, a Kevin Stefanski offense doesn't need a HOF QB, just a solid QB. I'm not sure Berry should get to make that pick.

    I think Fernando Mendoza (Cal/IU) is methodically moving himself towards the top of the draft class. IU is in Autzen this weekend...so this is his opportunity to show the country what he's got.

    **College Football side note. That Oregon D is pretty good. Matayo Uiagalelei is a whale of a ball player. He might be the first Edge off the board next April.

    @ap1 said:

    With each passing day, my opinions are shifting.

    At this point, I'm not opposed to taking the best LT in the draft. It doesn't matter who is taking snaps, if they have no time, no pocket and no protection the offense isn't going anywhere. Plus, (as Ballpeen) has mentioned a time or two, a Kevin Stefanski offense doesn't need a HOF QB, just a solid QB. I'm not sure Berry should get to make that pick.

    I think Fernando Mendoza (Cal/IU) is methodically moving himself towards the top of the draft class. IU is in Autzen this weekend...so this is his opportunity to show the country what he's got.

    **College Football side note. That Oregon D is pretty good. Matayo Uiagalelei is a whale of a ball player. He might be the first Edge off the board next April.

    I'm out of cyber fanny pats but GREAT Post AP!  Matayo U-ugly is big time.  

    Waiting for Dawand Jones & Jack Conklin to ever be healthy enough to help this team the way our FO keeps pretending they will - asks us to be more gullible than Charlie Brown is when Linus keeps pretending he needs Charlie's little sister (Sally) to join him in the Pumpkin Patch so they can see Great Pumpkin rise every year.  It's possible that was a real intention like say 5% - me thinks those clever kids wanted to see something else rise (and poor Charlie never caught on).

    We're not Charlie and our 2 edges of protection are a nightmare for a QB whose football processor is no longer able to keep up with the speed of the game going on in front of him.  Detroit spotted him a few timing patterns that he made nice throws on in the early going - but his being late is even starting to make a sure-handed Harold Fannin Jr drop passes. Jeudy has become the same Jeudy he was for another washed up QB Russell Wilson. FWIW, Indy already noticed Joe Flacco doesn't have it any more.  They were hoping our playoff game vrs Houston wasn't the rule for Joe but the exception to it - so they signed him anyway.  

    Believe it or not, I feel bad being this critical of Joe (but we're not doing him or either inexperienced QB here any favors pretending this is what the Browns HAVE to do).   I know what Bernie Kosar just repeated about a week ago @orion and I actually spoke about his points the 1st time as a great idea in a thread that included a video of his comments during training camp. I DO appreciate you mentioning it thought so thanks!  That said, Kosar was a rookie in this league 40 years ago after only playing/starting 2 seasons for the Miami Hurricanes.  Dillon Gabriel has 6 years of college football starting experiences blended from 3 different schools (UCF, Oklahoma & Oregon); while Shedeur Sanders has 4 years of starting experience blending Jax State & Colorado. 

    I'm not sure how good the 2026 QB class is going to be - so while Flacco can only be effective for 1 quarter at the most during 1-3 football - it's time to see what Gabriel can offer this team with a full week of preparation in him. A few years ago the SAME FO decided DTs weren't important while they wanted to go with lighter/faster LBers.  The LBers all got crushed/injured while the opponents ran through the middle of our D uncontested.  Now, we're pretending the depreciated values of Conklin and Jones are fine?  Get a game plan for Gabriel ready.  BTW, Starting OT Marcus Mbow from Purdue for the NYG was a 5th round draft pick.  If there was never ANY intention to consider giving either rookie QB a chance to play this year - WHY trade for Sanders in round 5 instead of drafting an OT some other team empowered to start.  Did we need 2 rookie QBs if we're allegedly drafting our franchise QB next year?  

  • @flugel having a blast up here, our 2nd time camping at Keuka Lake SP ( first time was 2017). My youngest son & his wife joined us, we arrived last Thursday, leaving tomorrow to Seneca Rocks, WV.  Trip map below lol we are lucky to be able to do this 

    The Finger Lakes are a great visit. Discover America!!

    We hit up a few wineries, played a little golf, watched college & NFL at the campground....fall trips are the best for camping IMHO.

    Our furthest point will be down at Brazos Bend State Park in Texas, about an hour from my oldest son's house in Houston.

    Screenshot_20250929-135740.png

    @bob806 said:

    @flugel having a blast up here, our 2nd time camping at Keuka Lake SP ( first time was 2017). My youngest son & his wife joined us, we arrived last Thursday, leaving tomorrow to Seneca Rocks, WV.  Trip map below lol we are lucky to be able to do this 

    The Finger Lakes are a great visit. Discover America!!

    We hit up a few wineries, played a little golf, watched college & NFL at the campground....fall trips are the best for camping IMHO.

    Our furthest point will be down at Brazos Bend State Park in Texas, about an hour from my oldest son's house in Houston.

    Screenshot_20250929-135740.png

    That's awesome Bob!  Glad to hear you and your family are finding nice places to visit!  

  • I’m confident watching this heaping pile of mess offense that the QB, WRs and Offensive line are major problems.  Unless we give Gabriel a shot now and see if he performs well over the next dozen games this need 1A.

    Need 1B and 1C.  Needs to be Tackle and WR.  Oline id absolutely make the tackle spot a priority with the second 1st round pick or the 2nd round pick, I’m not interested at all trotting out two rookie tackles next year. So for those that fancy some oline picks plug and play next year with the first picks and others - please think about an all rookie offensive line. 
     

    Because our line is so bad I enter the trade market and send our 3rd round pick for a young up and coming offensive lineman.  If the market exists.  

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Not at all. I don't know if Gussmeier is black or green or purple. 

    Lanorris Sellers is a sophomore. Sam Leavitt is a sophomore. Not that impressed with Cade Klubnik who is a senior, a bit short....

    Your Manning superstar isn't listed in the top five here. Sophomore's can't get drafted, so.....have a nice day.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2026/story/_/id/46149416/2026-nfl-draft-rankings-top-prospects-position#qb

    Miller

    1. LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina
    2. Garrett Nussmeier, LSU
    3. Sam Leavitt, Arizona State
    4. Cade Klubnik, Clemson
    5. Drew Allar, Penn State

    Manning is a junior. He arrived at UT for the 2023 season. 

    "Have a nice day" 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Manning is a junior. He arrived at UT for the 2023 season. 

    "Have a nice day" 

    of course he is a junior. You just realized that?

    come on.

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    @bob806 said:

    Yeah Jax's D might be for real. They could win 10 games or more, so it's a possible later 1st rounder ( 18 or higher)

    With each passing day, my opinions are shifting.

    At this point, I'm not opposed to taking the best LT in the draft. It doesn't matter who is taking snaps, if they have no time, no pocket and no protection the offense isn't going anywhere. Plus, (as Ballpeen) has mentioned a time or two, a Kevin Stefanski offense doesn't need a HOF QB, just a solid QB. I'm not sure Berry should get to make that pick.

    I think Fernando Mendoza (Cal/IU) is methodically moving himself towards the top of the draft class. IU is in Autzen this weekend...so this is his opportunity to show the country what he's got.

    **College Football side note. That Oregon D is pretty good. Matayo Uiagalelei is a whale of a ball player. He might be the first Edge off the board next April.

    @ap1 said:

    **College Football side note. That Oregon D is pretty good. Matayo Uiagalelei is a whale of a ball player. He might be the first Edge off the board next April.

    Watching that game, yep. and Bear Alexander is getting national attention. That is two big stars on their dline.

    https://duckswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/ducks/football/2025/09/29/oregon-ducks-football-bear-alexander-breakout/86412080007/

  • @ap1 said:

    **College Football side note. That Oregon D is pretty good. Matayo Uiagalelei is a whale of a ball player. He might be the first Edge off the board next April.

    Watching that game, yep. and Bear Alexander is getting national attention. That is two big stars on their dline.

    https://duckswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/ducks/football/2025/09/29/oregon-ducks-football-bear-alexander-breakout/86412080007/

    @calfoxwc said:

    Watching that game, yep. and Bear Alexander is getting national attention. That is two big stars on their dline.

    https://duckswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/ducks/football/2025/09/29/oregon-ducks-football-bear-alexander-breakout/86412080007/

    I'll be honest, Bear Alexander wasn't on my radar. I thought he played exceptionally well in the first three quarters, especially against what I believed was the true strength of that Penn St Offense Ioane, Dawkins and Donkoh - LG-C-RG.

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    @bob806 said:

    Yeah Jax's D might be for real. They could win 10 games or more, so it's a possible later 1st rounder ( 18 or higher)

    With each passing day, my opinions are shifting.

    At this point, I'm not opposed to taking the best LT in the draft. It doesn't matter who is taking snaps, if they have no time, no pocket and no protection the offense isn't going anywhere. Plus, (as Ballpeen) has mentioned a time or two, a Kevin Stefanski offense doesn't need a HOF QB, just a solid QB. I'm not sure Berry should get to make that pick.

    I think Fernando Mendoza (Cal/IU) is methodically moving himself towards the top of the draft class. IU is in Autzen this weekend...so this is his opportunity to show the country what he's got.

    **College Football side note. That Oregon D is pretty good. Matayo Uiagalelei is a whale of a ball player. He might be the first Edge off the board next April.

    @ap1 said:

    With each passing day, my opinions are shifting.

    At this point, I'm not opposed to taking the best LT in the draft. It doesn't matter who is taking snaps, if they have no time, no pocket and no protection the offense isn't going anywhere. Plus, (as Ballpeen) has mentioned a time or two, a Kevin Stefanski offense doesn't need a HOF QB, just a solid QB. I'm not sure Berry should get to make that pick.

    I think Fernando Mendoza (Cal/IU) is methodically moving himself towards the top of the draft class. IU is in Autzen this weekend...so this is his opportunity to show the country what he's got.

    **College Football side note. That Oregon D is pretty good. Matayo Uiagalelei is a whale of a ball player. He might be the first Edge off the board next April.

    This rookie class might save his job; but if we factored in the high round picks he gave up for Watson it's still not enough IMO.  How does a guy that worked for Howie Roseman at Philly not understand what Roseman has done at Offensive Line to make Jalen Hurts more successful at QB in Philly than he was at Bama.  It all starts with these draft picks on the OL:  6th rd C Jason Kelce 2011, 1st rd OT Lane Johnson in 2013, 7th rd OT Jordan Mailata 2018, 2nd rd OG Landon Dickerson 2021, 2nd rd C Cam Jurgens 2022, 3rd rd OG Tyler Steen 2023.

    The ONLY starting Offensive Linemen Andrew Berry drafted for the Browns is 4th rd OT Dawand Jones 2023 (on his 3rd consecutive IR).  The other previous starting OL Berry drafted was 1st rd OT Jed Wills 2020 (currently not employed in the NFL)  The Browns have been unable to find any keepers at QB the way Philly did with Hurts in rd 2 of the 2020 draft... In 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 - has he had enough chances to do better?  I'm gonna say yes with a great deal of confidence...  Does this guy watch ANY film?  I bet Howie Roseman does...

  • @ap1 said:

    With each passing day, my opinions are shifting.

    At this point, I'm not opposed to taking the best LT in the draft. It doesn't matter who is taking snaps, if they have no time, no pocket and no protection the offense isn't going anywhere. Plus, (as Ballpeen) has mentioned a time or two, a Kevin Stefanski offense doesn't need a HOF QB, just a solid QB. I'm not sure Berry should get to make that pick.

    I think Fernando Mendoza (Cal/IU) is methodically moving himself towards the top of the draft class. IU is in Autzen this weekend...so this is his opportunity to show the country what he's got.

    **College Football side note. That Oregon D is pretty good. Matayo Uiagalelei is a whale of a ball player. He might be the first Edge off the board next April.

    This rookie class might save his job; but if we factored in the high round picks he gave up for Watson it's still not enough IMO.  How does a guy that worked for Howie Roseman at Philly not understand what Roseman has done at Offensive Line to make Jalen Hurts more successful at QB in Philly than he was at Bama.  It all starts with these draft picks on the OL:  6th rd C Jason Kelce 2011, 1st rd OT Lane Johnson in 2013, 7th rd OT Jordan Mailata 2018, 2nd rd OG Landon Dickerson 2021, 2nd rd C Cam Jurgens 2022, 3rd rd OG Tyler Steen 2023.

    The ONLY starting Offensive Linemen Andrew Berry drafted for the Browns is 4th rd OT Dawand Jones 2023 (on his 3rd consecutive IR).  The other previous starting OL Berry drafted was 1st rd OT Jed Wills 2020 (currently not employed in the NFL)  The Browns have been unable to find any keepers at QB the way Philly did with Hurts in rd 2 of the 2020 draft... In 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 - has he had enough chances to do better?  I'm gonna say yes with a great deal of confidence...  Does this guy watch ANY film?  I bet Howie Roseman does...

    @flugel said:

    This rookie class might save his job; but if we factored in the high round picks he gave up for Watson it's still not enough IMO.  How does a guy that worked for Howie Roseman at Philly not understand what Roseman has done at Offensive Line to make Jalen Hurts more successful at QB in Philly than he was at Bama.  It all starts with these draft picks on the OL:  6th rd C Jason Kelce 2011, 1st rd OT Lane Johnson in 2013, 7th rd OT Jordan Mailata 2018, 2nd rd OG Landon Dickerson 2021, 2nd rd C Cam Jurgens 2022, 3rd rd OG Tyler Steen 2023.

    The ONLY starting Offensive Linemen Andrew Berry drafted for the Browns is 4th rd OT Dawand Jones 2023 (on his 3rd consecutive IR).  The other previous starting OL Berry drafted was 1st rd OT Jed Wills 2020 (currently not employed in the NFL)  The Browns have been unable to find any keepers at QB the way Philly did with Hurts in rd 2 of the 2020 draft... In 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 - has he had enough chances to do better?  I'm gonna say yes with a great deal of confidence...  Does this guy watch ANY film?  I bet Howie Roseman does...

    And the cautionary tale here is don’t reach for the third best offensive lineman when you have a top 10 pick because you need an offensive lineman. And for the middle spots You can  Find a system fit interior lineman with feet and functional NFL strength in the middle rounds. We haven’t yet but that’s the scouting departments biggest job this coming offseason
     

    But we need this mantra with our soon to be top 10 pick:  1a. Elite QB. 2a. Elite pass rusher 2b. Elite tackle 3. Special potential Gold jacket unicorn offensive weapon 

  • @flugel said:

    This rookie class might save his job; but if we factored in the high round picks he gave up for Watson it's still not enough IMO.  How does a guy that worked for Howie Roseman at Philly not understand what Roseman has done at Offensive Line to make Jalen Hurts more successful at QB in Philly than he was at Bama.  It all starts with these draft picks on the OL:  6th rd C Jason Kelce 2011, 1st rd OT Lane Johnson in 2013, 7th rd OT Jordan Mailata 2018, 2nd rd OG Landon Dickerson 2021, 2nd rd C Cam Jurgens 2022, 3rd rd OG Tyler Steen 2023.

    The ONLY starting Offensive Linemen Andrew Berry drafted for the Browns is 4th rd OT Dawand Jones 2023 (on his 3rd consecutive IR).  The other previous starting OL Berry drafted was 1st rd OT Jed Wills 2020 (currently not employed in the NFL)  The Browns have been unable to find any keepers at QB the way Philly did with Hurts in rd 2 of the 2020 draft... In 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 - has he had enough chances to do better?  I'm gonna say yes with a great deal of confidence...  Does this guy watch ANY film?  I bet Howie Roseman does...

    And the cautionary tale here is don’t reach for the third best offensive lineman when you have a top 10 pick because you need an offensive lineman. And for the middle spots You can  Find a system fit interior lineman with feet and functional NFL strength in the middle rounds. We haven’t yet but that’s the scouting departments biggest job this coming offseason
     

    But we need this mantra with our soon to be top 10 pick:  1a. Elite QB. 2a. Elite pass rusher 2b. Elite tackle 3. Special potential Gold jacket unicorn offensive weapon 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    And the cautionary tale here is don’t reach for the third best offensive lineman when you have a top 10 pick because you need an offensive lineman. And for the middle spots You can  Find a system fit interior lineman with feet and functional NFL strength in the middle rounds. We haven’t yet but that’s the scouting departments biggest job this coming offseason
     

    But we need this mantra with our soon to be top 10 pick:  1a. Elite QB. 2a. Elite pass rusher 2b. Elite tackle 3. Special potential Gold jacket unicorn offensive weapon 

    Agreed for the most part with 1 small change. If we're putting all our marbles into a franchise QB with our 1st pick in round 1 - PROTECT this investment with the best LT with the very next pick (unless this draft doesn't have one).  Let's also keep in mind Myles Garrett couldn't play any better than he's been so I think we'd be okay going LT before pass rusher given our situation.   I am aware that things can change at any moment with the Browns - so I can change that opinion as necessary if so.  Edit: I'd also love to see a WR that gives opponents matchup nightmares...

  • @ap1 said:

    With each passing day, my opinions are shifting.

    At this point, I'm not opposed to taking the best LT in the draft. It doesn't matter who is taking snaps, if they have no time, no pocket and no protection the offense isn't going anywhere. Plus, (as Ballpeen) has mentioned a time or two, a Kevin Stefanski offense doesn't need a HOF QB, just a solid QB. I'm not sure Berry should get to make that pick.

    I think Fernando Mendoza (Cal/IU) is methodically moving himself towards the top of the draft class. IU is in Autzen this weekend...so this is his opportunity to show the country what he's got.

    **College Football side note. That Oregon D is pretty good. Matayo Uiagalelei is a whale of a ball player. He might be the first Edge off the board next April.

    This rookie class might save his job; but if we factored in the high round picks he gave up for Watson it's still not enough IMO.  How does a guy that worked for Howie Roseman at Philly not understand what Roseman has done at Offensive Line to make Jalen Hurts more successful at QB in Philly than he was at Bama.  It all starts with these draft picks on the OL:  6th rd C Jason Kelce 2011, 1st rd OT Lane Johnson in 2013, 7th rd OT Jordan Mailata 2018, 2nd rd OG Landon Dickerson 2021, 2nd rd C Cam Jurgens 2022, 3rd rd OG Tyler Steen 2023.

    The ONLY starting Offensive Linemen Andrew Berry drafted for the Browns is 4th rd OT Dawand Jones 2023 (on his 3rd consecutive IR).  The other previous starting OL Berry drafted was 1st rd OT Jed Wills 2020 (currently not employed in the NFL)  The Browns have been unable to find any keepers at QB the way Philly did with Hurts in rd 2 of the 2020 draft... In 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 - has he had enough chances to do better?  I'm gonna say yes with a great deal of confidence...  Does this guy watch ANY film?  I bet Howie Roseman does...

    @flugel said:

    This rookie class might save his job; but if we factored in the high round picks he gave up for Watson it's still not enough IMO.  How does a guy that worked for Howie Roseman at Philly not understand what Roseman has done at Offensive Line to make Jalen Hurts more successful at QB in Philly than he was at Bama.  It all starts with these draft picks on the OL:  6th rd C Jason Kelce 2011, 1st rd OT Lane Johnson in 2013, 7th rd OT Jordan Mailata 2018, 2nd rd OG Landon Dickerson 2021, 2nd rd C Cam Jurgens 2022, 3rd rd OG Tyler Steen 2023.

    The ONLY starting Offensive Linemen Andrew Berry drafted for the Browns is 4th rd OT Dawand Jones 2023 (on his 3rd consecutive IR).  The other previous starting OL Berry drafted was 1st rd OT Jed Wills 2020 (currently not employed in the NFL)  The Browns have been unable to find any keepers at QB the way Philly did with Hurts in rd 2 of the 2020 draft... In 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 - has he had enough chances to do better?  I'm gonna say yes with a great deal of confidence...  Does this guy watch ANY film?  I bet Howie Roseman does...

    I agree with everything you said, and I'll also give credit where it's due - Jeff Stoutland.

    He's the best OL in the NFL.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Manning is a junior. He arrived at UT for the 2023 season. 

    "Have a nice day" 

    of course he is a junior. You just realized that?

    come on.

    @calfoxwc said:

    of course he is a junior. You just realized that?

    come on.

    But you're the one who said he was a sophomore..   

  • @calfoxwc said:

    of course he is a junior. You just realized that?

    come on.

    But you're the one who said he was a sophomore..   

    @reality said:

    But you're the one who said he was a sophomore..   

    Truth doesn't matter in unrealityland.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    of course he is a junior. You just realized that?

    come on.

    But you're the one who said he was a sophomore..   

    @reality said:

    But you're the one who said he was a sophomore..   

    I have so much experience arguing with Cal that I can give you his response "Are you telling me this guy was never a sophomore?"

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    @flugel said:

    This rookie class might save his job; but if we factored in the high round picks he gave up for Watson it's still not enough IMO.  How does a guy that worked for Howie Roseman at Philly not understand what Roseman has done at Offensive Line to make Jalen Hurts more successful at QB in Philly than he was at Bama.  It all starts with these draft picks on the OL:  6th rd C Jason Kelce 2011, 1st rd OT Lane Johnson in 2013, 7th rd OT Jordan Mailata 2018, 2nd rd OG Landon Dickerson 2021, 2nd rd C Cam Jurgens 2022, 3rd rd OG Tyler Steen 2023.

    The ONLY starting Offensive Linemen Andrew Berry drafted for the Browns is 4th rd OT Dawand Jones 2023 (on his 3rd consecutive IR).  The other previous starting OL Berry drafted was 1st rd OT Jed Wills 2020 (currently not employed in the NFL)  The Browns have been unable to find any keepers at QB the way Philly did with Hurts in rd 2 of the 2020 draft... In 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 - has he had enough chances to do better?  I'm gonna say yes with a great deal of confidence...  Does this guy watch ANY film?  I bet Howie Roseman does...

    I agree with everything you said, and I'll also give credit where it's due - Jeff Stoutland.

    He's the best OL in the NFL.

    @ap1 said:

    I agree with everything you said, and I'll also give credit where it's due - Jeff Stoutland.

    He's the best OL in the NFL.

    That being the case - here you go AP

  • @calfoxwc said:

    of course he is a junior. You just realized that?

    come on.

    But you're the one who said he was a sophomore..   

    @reality said:

    But you're the one who said he was a sophomore..   

    No, I did not. 

    I said "Your Manning superstar isn't listed in the top five here. And ended with a "."

    THEN, I said

    "Sophomore's can't get drafted, so.....have a nice day.".

    Two different points on the list of qb's. I said Manning was not listed. He wasn't. AND I also said Sophomores can't be drafted, referring to the sophs in the list.

    Sellers is a Sophomore, Nussmeier is a senior, Leavitt - sophomore, Klubnik - senior, Allar - Senior.

    Here is the list again:

    Miller

    1. LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina
    2. Garrett Nussmeier, LSU
    3. Sam Leavitt, Arizona State
    4. Cade Klubnik, Clemson
    5. Drew Allar, Penn State

    ********************************

    So, a "." at the end of a sentence ends that sentence.

    Have a nice day.

  • @reality said:

    But you're the one who said he was a sophomore..   

    No, I did not. 

    I said "Your Manning superstar isn't listed in the top five here. And ended with a "."

    THEN, I said

    "Sophomore's can't get drafted, so.....have a nice day.".

    Two different points on the list of qb's. I said Manning was not listed. He wasn't. AND I also said Sophomores can't be drafted, referring to the sophs in the list.

    Sellers is a Sophomore, Nussmeier is a senior, Leavitt - sophomore, Klubnik - senior, Allar - Senior.

    Here is the list again:

    Miller

    1. LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina
    2. Garrett Nussmeier, LSU
    3. Sam Leavitt, Arizona State
    4. Cade Klubnik, Clemson
    5. Drew Allar, Penn State

    ********************************

    So, a "." at the end of a sentence ends that sentence.

    Have a nice day.

    @calfoxwc said:

    No, I did not. 

    I said "Your Manning superstar isn't listed in the top five here. And ended with a "."

    THEN, I said

    "Sophomore's can't get drafted, so.....have a nice day.".

    Two different points on the list of qb's. I said Manning was not listed. He wasn't. AND I also said Sophomores can't be drafted, referring to the sophs in the list.

    Sellers is a Sophomore, Nussmeier is a senior, Leavitt - sophomore, Klubnik - senior, Allar - Senior.

    Here is the list again:

    Miller

    1. LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina
    2. Garrett Nussmeier, LSU
    3. Sam Leavitt, Arizona State
    4. Cade Klubnik, Clemson
    5. Drew Allar, Penn State

    ********************************

    So, a "." at the end of a sentence ends that sentence.

    Have a nice day.

    This is what cal said and without starting a new paragraph the two sentences are concurrent. 

    "Your Manning superstar isn't listed in the top five here. Sophomore's can't get drafted, so.....have a nice day."