I can't believe it happened...
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Many are feeling the same, but remember 1974-75, 1984 or even 1990? Real, real bad football, just like now.
The biggest problem is shelling out $$ and emotion and seeing no results, especially at home games, where we can't establish any edge at all.
We won't be shitty forever...just think of how crazy this town will be when we finally look like a pro team again. You'll be back on board real quick. Hell, even an 0-26 Tampa Bay team turned it around and got to the NFC title game.
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Zombo said:
I want to see you quit being such a whiney homo and root for the Browns.Zombo
How do you feel about a fine fescue?
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Mangini - with this move - has officially lost my confidence and respect as a head coach. The QB switch is only slightly shocking in comparison to that, imo.
you watched Quinnie play. You knew this was going to happen. The only question was when.
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Zombo said:
Dude ... all we are doing is replacing an ineffective QB.I'd feel worse if Mangini kept throwing Quinn out there every week. I'd feel like we didn't have a chance.
Your juices will be flowing on Sunday and you know it. So next time you get this down about the Browns, don't express it in a homo thread.
We are 0-3 in a new coaching era. Sucks ... but we're still the Browns. Thank God. I love being the Browns and being a Browns fan. The product will get better ... being a Browns fan is always the best.
Zombo
--C'mon ... it's the Bengals. We're going to have a shootout at CBS this Sunday. I'm ready to start pregaming already.
I know Z, but we're replacing him with someone less than inneffective. I was drinking, and dodging Skins fans, but I know I saw 3 picks from Derek "same as it ever was" Anderson.
I'm not calling Mangini a bum for "bailing on my boy Quinn," he's a bum for bailing on his plan. Surely you don't believe Quinn or our team got a fair shake at evaluation with the garbage play calling and non-existent tackling. DA is not the long term solution or Mangini would have started him from wk 1. Relative to the rest of the team, Quinn's play hasn't been bad enough to stand out to get him yanked. DA's 3-fer, OTOH was.
Fail points awarded to Eric Mangini.
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I have a feeling that Mangini is drooling over next years draft more than we know. I beleive he also knows alot of the current roster won't be here next year. They will get better this year, DA or Quinn. If the o-line doesn't shape up you'll probaly see Ratliff this year also.
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The trouble is that most Browns Fans were willing to bet the house on Quinn but Quinn stunk up the joint when given the opportunity....
Face it guys, Charlie Quinn, I mean Brady Frye, I'm mean Brady Quinn is a Charlie Frye with a pedigree... Quinn should kiss Mangini'a feet for the demotion and hope Anderson doesn't get hurt cause if Bradys under center when we play the Steelers, LeBeau will ruin him like he did Frye...
The one positive here is that we can all put this bullshit QB competition behind us and move on to rooting for the Browns....
I think 2 years of constant posting, name calling and guarantee's of greatness is wearing thin.... Theres more to football than the QB position....
Peace
T.Dawg
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The trouble is that most Browns Fans were willing to bet the house on Quinn but Quinn stunk up the joint when given the opportunity....
Face it guys, Charlie Quinn, I mean Brady Frye, I'm mean Brady Quinn is a Charlie Frye with a pedigree... Quinn should kiss Mangini'a feet for the demotion and hope Anderson doesn't get hurt cause if Bradys under center when we play the Steelers, LeBeau will ruin him like he did Frye...
The one positive here is that we can all put this bullshit QB competition behind us and move on to rooting for the Browns....
I think 2 years of constant posting, name calling and guarantee's of greatness is wearing thin.... Theres more to football than the QB position....
Peace
T.Dawg
The trouble is that most Browns Fans were willing to bet the house on Quinn but Quinn stunk up the joint when given the opportunity....
Face it guys, Charlie Quinn, I mean Brady Frye, I'm mean Brady Quinn is a Charlie Frye with a pedigree... Quinn should kiss Mangini'a feet for the demotion and hope Anderson doesn't get hurt cause if Bradys under center when we play the Steelers, LeBeau will ruin him like he did Frye...
The one positive here is that we can all put this bullshit QB competition behind us and move on to rooting for the Browns....
I think 2 years of constant posting, name calling and guarantee's of greatness is wearing thin.... Theres more to football than the QB position....
Peace
T.Dawg
I know one for sure that has come out of the qb switch.
2010 Draft Talk
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The trouble is that most Browns Fans were willing to bet the house on Quinn but Quinn stunk up the joint when given the opportunity....
Face it guys, Charlie Quinn, I mean Brady Frye, I'm mean Brady Quinn is a Charlie Frye with a pedigree... Quinn should kiss Mangini'a feet for the demotion and hope Anderson doesn't get hurt cause if Bradys under center when we play the Steelers, LeBeau will ruin him like he did Frye...
The one positive here is that we can all put this bullshit QB competition behind us and move on to rooting for the Browns....
I think 2 years of constant posting, name calling and guarantee's of greatness is wearing thin.... Theres more to football than the QB position....
Peace
T.Dawg
The trouble is that most Browns Fans were willing to bet the house on Quinn but Quinn stunk up the joint when given the opportunity....
Face it guys, Charlie Quinn, I mean Brady Frye, I'm mean Brady Quinn is a Charlie Frye with a pedigree... Quinn should kiss Mangini'a feet for the demotion and hope Anderson doesn't get hurt cause if Bradys under center when we play the Steelers, LeBeau will ruin him like he did Frye...
The one positive here is that we can all put this bullshit QB competition behind us and move on to rooting for the Browns....
I think 2 years of constant posting, name calling and guarantee's of greatness is wearing thin.... Theres more to football than the QB position....
Peace
T.Dawg
Hey TD, I hope your right. And if DA comes in and lights it up, well then you're dead on.
I thinking its more of a problem of poor R sided protection, minimal playmakers, and a crappy running game. Add on a new HC, new system, and a brand spankin' new OC and I'm think its more likely Quinn has just become the fall guy for the whole shebang.
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Leg, great OP and thread.
Z, get over yourself already. We get it, you're excited for the "big play potential" and you're a better fan than the rest of us for being excited.
Well, DA playing again doesn't excite me in the least, because we know how that damn story ends. The only reason I was excited about BQ was because of what he could be and the reason I'm pissed is not because "Quinn sucks" but because, as Leg said, we still don't know if "Quinn sucks" or not, given all the circumstances surrounding this team this year.
daddybull is right that the QB position has gotten WAY too much ink on here and everywhere else the last 2 years.
But the reason for that is simple: we didn't have a real QB. And we still don't.
So, I'm with Leg: I feel no excitement for Sunday, whatsoever. I will watch but I will not care, at least not until I'm given a reason to care again.
I do truly hope DA will provide that "spark". I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Little do the Anderson supporters know is all this move has done is bring on more QB talk until draft day. Get ready for a barrage of Tebow, McCoy, and Bradford.
Start your engines and fill the tanks boys, it's going to be a long ride until the draft.
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At least some of you guys get to root for a winner on Saturdays (OSU, Florida, etc.).
I have to root for Syracuse on Saturdays and the Browns on Sundays. I am in good miserable company though (Jim Brown, The Late Ernie Davis, Kevin Johnson).
Yahoo!
At least some of you guys get to root for a winner on Saturdays (OSU, Florida, etc.).
I have to root for Syracuse on Saturdays and the Browns on Sundays. I am in good miserable company though (Jim Brown, The Late Ernie Davis, Kevin Johnson).
Yahoo!
You hit the nail on the head for me....College Football!
I am a fan of:
OSU Buckeyes - lived in Cleveland (well, really Solon & Bedford)
Arizona State Sun Devils - lived in the burbs (Mesa, Chander & Phoenix)
& Miami Hurricanes - lived here before and again now (Fort Lauderdale)
Go Buckeyes!
Go Sun Devils!
Go Hurricanes!
One of the three teams are usually in the mix somehow.
That's all I'm watching now.
I'm only here because of the comradery with you guys/gals.
NFL...what's that???
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The trouble is that most Browns Fans were willing to bet the house on Quinn but Quinn stunk up the joint when given the opportunity....
Face it guys, Charlie Quinn, I mean Brady Frye, I'm mean Brady Quinn is a Charlie Frye with a pedigree... Quinn should kiss Mangini'a feet for the demotion and hope Anderson doesn't get hurt cause if Bradys under center when we play the Steelers, LeBeau will ruin him like he did Frye...
The one positive here is that we can all put this bullshit QB competition behind us and move on to rooting for the Browns....
I think 2 years of constant posting, name calling and guarantee's of greatness is wearing thin.... Theres more to football than the QB position....
Peace
T.Dawg
The one positive here is that we can all put this bullshit QB competition behind us and move on to rooting for the Browns....
The only way the QB competition is being behind anyone is if DA comes in and looks decent for several games and the HC actually stays with a decision. Neither have happened yet, so nothing is behind anyone yet. If anything the QB competion just restarted.
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Guys it could be worst ... you could have been an idiot like me and upgraded my PSL's to move into the section where Roachmstr and other friends sit and now owe $750.00 by November 1st.
Now what do you think HagII is gonna do to me when she see's us forking over another $750 for this bullshit?
However, the season starts Sunday ... The Browns are gonna win, I guarantee it.
It's a trap game.
Guys it could be worst ... you could have been an idiot like me and upgraded my PSL's to move into the section where Roachmstr and other friends sit and now owe $750.00 by November 1st.
Now what do you think HagII is gonna do to me when she see's us forking over another $750 for this bullshit?
However, the season starts Sunday ... The Browns are gonna win, I guarantee it.
It's a trap game.
ALL of them are trap games ...for every team we play....lmfao!
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Zombo said:
Let me fill you in on your confusion: Quinn sucks.
His "situation" is no worse than the situation Anderson faced in the first three games of last year. Thing is, if you take those games awyay from Anderson, you have a pretty nice start to a career for a young guy with a great arm. You take away Quinn's three and you have just unknown.
Anderson is more experienced, can make more throws, has a quicker release and has a history of winning games with the surrounding cast. Be thankful he's starting this week.
As for the "get over yourself" thing ... I repeat, it's not my fault Quinn sucked, and it's not Mangini's fault either. Sorry you bought so hard on him ... but he blows. Mangini's the coach, he has a four year contract; Anderson's the QB, he is 13-11 the past two years ... you don't have to get on the train, but try not to be such a whiney baby as it pulls out of the station without you.
Zombo
Oh, so if we take away the first 3 games, we're still calling the Washington game acceptable? 38% CP, and a 3.7 YPA? Woot!
50% CP is garbage. Throwing pick 6's to Terrell Suggs on a drive that we needed to reclaim the lead is garbage.
And unfortunately, you can't just throw out 3 football games. I could easily throw out the 1st Cincy game, St. Lou, and Miami game of 07', and say "Man, he's not that great throwing for 18 TD's and 18 INT's in 12 starts!
Quinn has started 6 games. He played a game and a half with a broken finger on his throwing hand. His first 3 starts this year were not very good, but it's a team effort.
He had a terrible fumble against Minny. The other "fumble" that gets charged to him was Mack's fault, clearly.
The INT in the Minny game was actually on Braylon. Based on the safety coverage in middle of the field, Braylon should have been running that route to the sideline. That was a good read on Brady's part, but they weren't on the same page.
His TD against Minny was garbage, but so was his INT against Denver that bounced right off of Josh Cribbs hands.
The playcalling is garbage as well. Braylon has been running 10-15 yard plays, and Royal, Cribbs, and Furrey run 5 yard routes. Because of the offensive lines inability to block (on 8 of his 9 sacks he held the ball for 2.66 seconds prior to being sacked), teams rush 4 players and allow the other 7 to cover 1 receiver down the field and 3 within the first down marker.
Quinn didn't play well. You're right. But neither did the rest of the team. Don't forget about Royal having 3 drops in the Minny game (I know DA was a victim of dropsies, too), 2 of which were in one drive. Don't forget about 2 Furrey drops in his first two games, along with 3 Cribbs drops.
When our receivers are garbage, we can't expect our QB to deliver results.
When we have twinkle toes in the backfield, you can't really expect teams to put more people on the LOS.
We need to see what we have (if anything) in Quinn, and 2.5 games tells us nothing.
Drew Brees had 28 starts (which he really shouldn't have gotten) before he was able to show that he was worthy of playing in the NFL. Am I asking for Brady to have 28 starts? No.
But hell, even Frye got 18 starts.
You cannot judge NFL talent on 6 starts. You just can't do it, especially when this team is absolutely garbage as a whole.
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Like I've said before, Z may be Nostradamous (sp?). We'll see.
The problem with his bold predictions about how fooking awesome DA is...... is that Mangini picked Quinn to start the season, that RAC benched him last year for poor play, and that Ozzie Newsome (arguably one of the best GM's in football based on the Ravens legacy of success) let him go when he didn't have a viable starting QB.
So, I'm ready to bow down to the almighty Z if DA pans out into our solution at QB. I'm just a tad sacreligious at this point is all.
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There's a part of me that is really jealous of both of you to just "turn off" the switch that makes you not care about this team anymore. I try to stay away, I think to myself on Sundays (the Denver Sunday for sure this season) that I'm done with this and I'm not going to turn down other opportunities on Sundays because I want to watch the Browns, but by about Wednesday I'm sucked right back in and I can't wait for Sunday to watch them play again, convinced that this week is going to be the week that we turn it around.
I still believe that for this week...
There's a part of me that is really jealous of both of you to just "turn off" the switch that makes you not care about this team anymore. I try to stay away, I think to myself on Sundays (the Denver Sunday for sure this season) that I'm done with this and I'm not going to turn down other opportunities on Sundays because I want to watch the Browns, but by about Wednesday I'm sucked right back in and I can't wait for Sunday to watch them play again, convinced that this week is going to be the week that we turn it around.
I still believe that for this week...
I am just the same. Im so pissed after the browns get spanked, and by thursday despite being 0-3, i still am optimistic that the browns can make something happpen this sunday.
I am 100% on Zombo's side here, i wanted DA to start the season in the first place. Im too lazy to quote somebody who said that "brady is not to blame for mistakes and the few turnovers he is accountale for" , but what has brady done? 1 td in three games? i'd rather have DA and his gunsling mentality throw some deep shots and set up jerome harrison in the run game, then a offense who struggles to even get a first down.
btw...why is jamal lewis still our starter? is it not clear that Harrison and Davis are much more dynamic and will step up the run game?
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There's a part of me that is really jealous of both of you to just "turn off" the switch that makes you not care about this team anymore. I try to stay away, I think to myself on Sundays (the Denver Sunday for sure this season) that I'm done with this and I'm not going to turn down other opportunities on Sundays because I want to watch the Browns, but by about Wednesday I'm sucked right back in and I can't wait for Sunday to watch them play again, convinced that this week is going to be the week that we turn it around.
I still believe that for this week...
I am just the same. Im so pissed after the browns get spanked, and by thursday despite being 0-3, i still am optimistic that the browns can make something happpen this sunday.
I am 100% on Zombo's side here, i wanted DA to start the season in the first place. Im too lazy to quote somebody who said that "brady is not to blame for mistakes and the few turnovers he is accountale for" , but what has brady done? 1 td in three games? i'd rather have DA and his gunsling mentality throw some deep shots and set up jerome harrison in the run game, then a offense who struggles to even get a first down.
btw...why is jamal lewis still our starter? is it not clear that Harrison and Davis are much more dynamic and will step up the run game?
I am just the same. Im so pissed after the browns get spanked, and by thursday despite being 0-3, i still am optimistic that the browns can make something happpen this sunday.
I am 100% on Zombo's side here, i wanted DA to start the season in the first place. Im too lazy to quote somebody who said that "brady is not to blame for mistakes and the few turnovers he is accountale for" , but what has brady done? 1 td in three games? i'd rather have DA and his gunsling mentality throw some deep shots and set up jerome harrison in the run game, then a offense who struggles to even get a first down.
btw...why is jamal lewis still our starter? is it not clear that Harrison and Davis are much more dynamic and will step up the run game?
Here's why:
2/21/2008: Signed a three-year, $17 million contract. The deal includes $10 million guaranteed. 2009: $2.4 million (+ $4 million roster bonus due in March), 2010: $2.4 million (+ $1.5 million roster bonus), 2011: Free Agent. Cap charges: $6.5 million (2009), $4 million (2010).
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Zombo said:
I don't know ... but I'm surprised you didn't come back with the gold standard pot/kettle thing.Everybody is pissed ... because Brady Quinn sucks.
Not my fault.
Not Eric Mangini's fault, he didn't draft him.
So we are back to the QB who was 13-11 the past two years and we are moving forward.
We have the Bengals at home and just switched to a QB that the coach is more comfortable with ... sounds like we have a good chance of winning this week. I'm going to enjoy it. Those of you that want to cry and bitch because the benching of Quinn is some big symbolic thing that you can't handle .... well, you're homos. Move on.
Zombo
I love how people tend to 'forget' that Anderson was 0-3 in the first 3 games last season, throwing 2 TD's and 5 INT's. He then only won 3 out of the 10 games he played in. People NEED to stop combining records and stats from 07 and 08. 07 was a freak year. Defences didn't know how to cope with DA's new approach to the Cleveland offence. It DID NOT work at the end of 2007, and it DID NOT work in 2008. Therefore it seems logical to conclude that it won't work in 2009.
Next time, look at the facts, then make a logical statement. Not one made on sentiment and foolhardiness.
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Zombo said:
Let me fill you in on your confusion: Quinn sucks.
His "situation" is no worse than the situation Anderson faced in the first three games of last year. Thing is, if you take those games awyay from Anderson, you have a pretty nice start to a career for a young guy with a great arm. You take away Quinn's three and you have just unknown.
Anderson is more experienced, can make more throws, has a quicker release and has a history of winning games with the surrounding cast. Be thankful he's starting this week.
As for the "get over yourself" thing ... I repeat, it's not my fault Quinn sucked, and it's not Mangini's fault either. Sorry you bought so hard on him ... but he blows. Mangini's the coach, he has a four year contract; Anderson's the QB, he is 13-11 the past two years ... you don't have to get on the train, but try not to be such a whiney baby as it pulls out of the station without you.
Zombo
Z, you have lost all objectivity and your credibility has gone with it.
Quinn's situation beginning this year is comparable to DA's last year, huh?
Well, let's see. Last year, DA was starting a season as the unquestioned starter in an offense he knew well, with a HC and OC he knew, fresh off a big raise on a team that was a trendy pick to contend for the playoffs after a surprise '07. DA was coming off a "Pro Bowl year" and BE was about to take the next step to the big time. Winslow was a stud TE and Jamal Lewis was revitalized.
Meanwhile, Quinn began this season after one off-season with a brand new HC and OC, a brand new, rookie center, a demoralized and disinterested BE, a brand new #2 WR who is still learning the position, a journeyman RG and RT, an old and injured Jamal Lewis and no TE to speak of. And he had to share snaps with and out-perform the more "experienced" DA, which he did.
Yes, obviously, their situations were exactly the same.
Interestingly, however, DA went on to continue to utilize his "play making ability" and his "experience" even after those wonderful first 3 games, despite Quinn's presence on the bench.
Were you okay with that decision, too?
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