5 QB’s In The Room
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He may be a rookie and it may have been one of the worse defenses,
As MDDawg pointed out, the Titans D is not one of the worse defenses. You shoulda' checked out my Tale of the Tape for the game.
After accounting for 4 TD's and 346 passing yards on Sunday, there ain't no leaving him on the bench anymore. That ship has sailed.
Watson can be the backup QB and private tutor to the QB's next year.
As MDDawg pointed out, the Titans D is not one of the worse defenses. You shoulda' checked out my Tale of the Tape for the game.
After accounting for 4 TD's and 346 passing yards on Sunday, there ain't no leaving him on the bench anymore. That ship has sailed.
Watson can be the backup QB and private tutor to the QB's next year.
Can't say I would have ever predicted this scenario, but here we are... ?
Sanders performance yesterday has given me the most optimism for the Browns in quite a while. Who knows if it is the beginning of something great or just fool's gold, but if he hits, this last draft could end up being one of the best in Browns history, and possibly what turns the team's fortunes.
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Shedeur: I've watched some of his interviews (not a ton). He's not a 'wordsmith'. But he drawls and slangs you his point of views...with a smile and a humble but confident style. He thanks God. He praises his team mates and coaches. When he gets a question that's looking for dirt, he points it straight out to the questioner, 'You're trying to cause trouble.' He'll then point out how happy he is to be here, etc.
Some say he's cocky. I see someone who stands up for his successes and abilities. He's confident in himself while still admitting that he's got stuff to learn and clean up. That's what I want in a QB. If an interviewer asks him if he thinks he has the talent to be a starting QB in the NFL, don't be surprised to hear, 'Nah, I think I should be LB'er.' A lighthearted jab with a smile. I like it. Kinda' reminds me of myself. I was always lighthearted, tried to make people smile / laugh. I like to laugh. But I put in the effort at my job, I worked hard to rise to manager. And from what I hear Shedeur is liked by his team mates and is a hard worker at his job.
When his embarrassing draft slide ended with us trading up and drafting him, I was quiet happy because I felt like he had been linked to us all winter...and that it was with us that he belonged. And when that happened Denzel Ward tweeted out to him, Time to be Legendary. Well, that whole legendary thing had blown up in his face over that weekend...but I remember that I had quoted something Dutch had posted (Dutch was not alone in not wanting him), and I responded something like, The Fat Lady can't start singing on Sanders yet. And the truth is, he's always had a shot at making that draft Legendary. But to do that, he has to make his career Legendary. It's a looong shot. And he's only had one good football game, that wound up as a loss......but the Fat Lady? She still can't start singing.
In reality, I'm not a huge fan of his Legendary Arm thing during games. But, it's his schtick. Many of the players now-a-days have to have their brand schtick thing. I kinda' like Myles' parting of the seas thing that he does.
So this long, rambling post's message can be mocked and laughed at in a months time if Shedeur reverts back to playing like he did back in August against the Rams, looking like he was nowhere near ready to be an NFL QB. Back then I was down on him as starting over anyone, that he had a lot to learn. He's got a month to show that he just needs a couple of more guys to throw to and a couple of more guys to block for him (and Judkins).
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Yesterday's performance shows me that Sanders is miles above our pigmy other rookie QB, but will the FO and Stef be able to admit it and really continue development of Sanders? Leave him in the rest of the season and work with him. He may be a rookie and it may have been one of the worse defenses, but still 4 TD and 300+ yeards cannot be ignored. I'd forego drafting another and work with him a full season. Even Brady says with time the game slows down and processing speeds up. He should know. Kid has the arm for sure.
The Titans defense currently ranks higher than our remaining opponents on the schedule. Their situation is similar to ours where the offense stinks.
The Titans defense currently ranks higher than our remaining opponents on the schedule. Their situation is similar to ours where the offense stinks.
Simmons was a FREAKIN Beast. I had to hide my beer because I thought he was going to break through my tv screen...
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FWIW, everything about this game is about trust. Every Guard & Tackle tandem on either side of Center has to trust each other. For example, if you get a DL in your Guard-Tackle gap with a LBer stacked (right behind him or he's offset) there's different options for the Guard and Tackle to use as a tandem. You can loop block it (when stacked) or do a fold block if the backer is offset closer to the Tackle. For instance, if the play is for the RB to run between that Guard & Tackle after the handoff with the DT lining up across from the Guard's outside shoulder with the LBer standing directly behind him - the best option is for the tackle to lead with a down block on the DT that will seal the guy on the LOS while the Guard simultaneously loops behind/around the tackle (in MOVE YOUR ASS mode) to seal the LBer at the side of his outside shoulder. The fold is similar with the tackle leading again and this time the Guard would seal off the inside shoulder side of the LBer. When I played the trust got established everyday in the 15 minute pre-practice where the Guard & Tackle would see different looks at the LOS and the right call needed to be made. Keep in mind defenses liked to shift after the QB gets his initial look of the formation so this required practice. Making the right call was the 1st thing that needed trust. Our coach made both the Guards make the call on their side of center. The second thing was executing the responsibility needed trust. I was lucky in the sense I played on a varsity team that made it to the sectional finals for large schools so we had talent. On varsity, when I made my block I never had to worry about the Tackle making his. This was a wishbone offense that loved running right so we had fun. It was was awesome to play to with total trust with the guy next to me.
Why all that? I don't get the sense they're all on the same page frequently enough to establish trust and it shows. I don't even get the sense the OL all has legit starters or backups filling in. The Tackle positions are horrible. Our Guards are talented but 1 has a lot of milage/wear (Bitonio) and tear while the other (Teller) isn't having one of his better seasons. They're both professionals but I sense a lot of mistrust they have in the tackles next to them in certain situations. I could be wrong though...
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FWIW, everything about this game is about trust. Every Guard & Tackle tandem on either side of Center has to trust each other. For example, if you get a DL in your Guard-Tackle gap with a LBer stacked (right behind him or he's offset) there's different options for the Guard and Tackle to use as a tandem. You can loop block it (when stacked) or do a fold block if the backer is offset closer to the Tackle. For instance, if the play is for the RB to run between that Guard & Tackle after the handoff with the DT lining up across from the Guard's outside shoulder with the LBer standing directly behind him - the best option is for the tackle to lead with a down block on the DT that will seal the guy on the LOS while the Guard simultaneously loops behind/around the tackle (in MOVE YOUR ASS mode) to seal the LBer at the side of his outside shoulder. The fold is similar with the tackle leading again and this time the Guard would seal off the inside shoulder side of the LBer. When I played the trust got established everyday in the 15 minute pre-practice where the Guard & Tackle would see different looks at the LOS and the right call needed to be made. Keep in mind defenses liked to shift after the QB gets his initial look of the formation so this required practice. Making the right call was the 1st thing that needed trust. Our coach made both the Guards make the call on their side of center. The second thing was executing the responsibility needed trust. I was lucky in the sense I played on a varsity team that made it to the sectional finals for large schools so we had talent. On varsity, when I made my block I never had to worry about the Tackle making his. This was a wishbone offense that loved running right so we had fun. It was was awesome to play to with total trust with the guy next to me.
Why all that? I don't get the sense they're all on the same page frequently enough to establish trust and it shows. I don't even get the sense the OL all has legit starters or backups filling in. The Tackle positions are horrible. Our Guards are talented but 1 has a lot of milage/wear (Bitonio) and tear while the other (Teller) isn't having one of his better seasons. They're both professionals but I sense a lot of mistrust they have in the tackles next to them in certain situations. I could be wrong though...
FWIW, everything about this game is about trust. Every Guard & Tackle tandem on either side of Center has to trust each other. For example, if you get a DL in your Guard-Tackle gap with a LBer stacked (right behind him) there's different options for the Guard and Tackle to use as a tandem. You can loop block it or do a fold block depending on where the stack takes. For instance, if the play is for the RB to run run between that Guard & Tackle after the handoff with the DT lining up across from the Guard's outside shoulder with the LBer standing directly behind him - the best option is for the tackle to lead with a down block on the DT that will seal the guy on the LOS while the Guard simultaneously loops behind/around the tackle (in MOVE YOUR ASS mode) to seal the LBer. When I played the trust got established everyday in the 15 minute pre-practice where the Guard & Tackle would see different looks at the LOS and the right call needed to be made. Keep in mind defenses liked to shift after the QB gets his initial look of the formation so this required practice. Making the right call was the 1st thing that needed trust. Our coach made both the Guards make the call on their side of center. The second thing was executing the responsibility needed trust. I was lucky in the sense I played on a varsity team that made it to the sectional finals for large schools so we had talent. On varsity, when I made my block I never had to worry about the Tackle making his. This was a wishbone offense that loved running right so we had fun. It was was awesome to play to with total trust with the guy next to me.
Why all that? I don't get the sense they're all on the same page frequently enough to establish trust and it shows. I don't even get the sense the OL all has legit starters or backups filling in. The Tackle positions are horrible. Our Guards are talented but 1 has a lot of milage/wear (Bitonio) and tear while the other (Teller) isn't having one of his better seasons. They're both professionals but I sense a lot of mistrust they have in the tackles next to them in certain situations. I could be wrong though...
What the Browns do this offseason regarding the OLine is going to be fascinating to watch.
Not guaranteed to be successful, but fascinating regardless.
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FWIW, everything about this game is about trust. Every Guard & Tackle tandem on either side of Center has to trust each other. For example, if you get a DL in your Guard-Tackle gap with a LBer stacked (right behind him) there's different options for the Guard and Tackle to use as a tandem. You can loop block it or do a fold block depending on where the stack takes. For instance, if the play is for the RB to run run between that Guard & Tackle after the handoff with the DT lining up across from the Guard's outside shoulder with the LBer standing directly behind him - the best option is for the tackle to lead with a down block on the DT that will seal the guy on the LOS while the Guard simultaneously loops behind/around the tackle (in MOVE YOUR ASS mode) to seal the LBer. When I played the trust got established everyday in the 15 minute pre-practice where the Guard & Tackle would see different looks at the LOS and the right call needed to be made. Keep in mind defenses liked to shift after the QB gets his initial look of the formation so this required practice. Making the right call was the 1st thing that needed trust. Our coach made both the Guards make the call on their side of center. The second thing was executing the responsibility needed trust. I was lucky in the sense I played on a varsity team that made it to the sectional finals for large schools so we had talent. On varsity, when I made my block I never had to worry about the Tackle making his. This was a wishbone offense that loved running right so we had fun. It was was awesome to play to with total trust with the guy next to me.
Why all that? I don't get the sense they're all on the same page frequently enough to establish trust and it shows. I don't even get the sense the OL all has legit starters or backups filling in. The Tackle positions are horrible. Our Guards are talented but 1 has a lot of milage/wear (Bitonio) and tear while the other (Teller) isn't having one of his better seasons. They're both professionals but I sense a lot of mistrust they have in the tackles next to them in certain situations. I could be wrong though...
What the Browns do this offseason regarding the OLine is going to be fascinating to watch.
Not guaranteed to be successful, but fascinating regardless.
What the Browns do this offseason regarding the OLine is going to be fascinating to watch.
Not guaranteed to be successful, but fascinating regardless.
Agreed. Pretending OTackle isn't an issue 2 consecutive years = a very strong possibility we see a 2nd straight 3 wins in 17 games. We're seeing the result of the Bears upgrading 3 starting spots on their OL.
The other thing I agree with is that there's no guarantee that who they draft ends up being an upgrade. The problem is that isn't exclusive to OT - what WR has Berry drafted that's been a keeper?
The scary thing is these are our biggest needs imo.
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What the Browns do this offseason regarding the OLine is going to be fascinating to watch.
Not guaranteed to be successful, but fascinating regardless.
Agreed. Pretending OTackle isn't an issue 2 consecutive years = a very strong possibility we see a 2nd straight 3 wins in 17 games. We're seeing the result of the Bears upgrading 3 starting spots on their OL.
The other thing I agree with is that there's no guarantee that who they draft ends up being an upgrade. The problem is that isn't exclusive to OT - what WR has Berry drafted that's been a keeper?
The scary thing is these are our biggest needs imo.
Agreed. Pretending OTackle isn't an issue 2 consecutive years = a very strong possibility we see a 2nd straight 3 wins in 17 games. We're seeing the result of the Bears upgrading 3 starting spots on their OL.
The other thing I agree with is that there's no guarantee that who they draft ends up being an upgrade. The problem is that isn't exclusive to OT - what WR has Berry drafted that's been a keeper?
The scary thing is these are our biggest needs imo.
Yep.
But I think it will be Berry in charge of the '26 Draft, but for a new head coach.
Dawand Jones' injuries and Zak Zinter not working out really has hurt the Browns attempt to transition from the Nick Chubb/Baker OLine era to today. You have to think Bitonio will retire after this season, I wonder if they will bring back any of the other guys who are free agents after this season. I have doubts.
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Agreed. Pretending OTackle isn't an issue 2 consecutive years = a very strong possibility we see a 2nd straight 3 wins in 17 games. We're seeing the result of the Bears upgrading 3 starting spots on their OL.
The other thing I agree with is that there's no guarantee that who they draft ends up being an upgrade. The problem is that isn't exclusive to OT - what WR has Berry drafted that's been a keeper?
The scary thing is these are our biggest needs imo.
Yep.
But I think it will be Berry in charge of the '26 Draft, but for a new head coach.
Dawand Jones' injuries and Zak Zinter not working out really has hurt the Browns attempt to transition from the Nick Chubb/Baker OLine era to today. You have to think Bitonio will retire after this season, I wonder if they will bring back any of the other guys who are free agents after this season. I have doubts.
Yep.
But I think it will be Berry in charge of the '26 Draft, but for a new head coach.
Dawand Jones' injuries and Zak Zinter not working out really has hurt the Browns attempt to transition from the Nick Chubb/Baker OLine era to today. You have to think Bitonio will retire after this season, I wonder if they will bring back any of the other guys who are free agents after this season. I have doubts.
True. It IS possible he has re-visited each of those picks and what went wrong beside injuries ie; getting scouts to research work ethics of prospects (and if there's any leadership traits) they're thinking about drafting the way Buffalo used to when they built their team that won 4 AFC Championships in a row. The local newspapers at the time (The Democrat & Chronicle as well as the Times Union) both did similar articles talking about Bill Polian & John Butler getting scouts to research character all the way back into high school and earlier in some cases.
I know that sounds over the top but thinking back to the DB/KR Justin Gilbert the Browns drafted in 2014 in round 1 from Oklahoma State was a disaster. One of the guys on their Coaching staff said he was shocked nobody from the Browns wanted to know about his character, work ethic or practice habits. That may or may not have been within the 1st time Andrew Berry was here. I will say the success of this year's draft may be a sign that Berry and staff might have done some quality improvement - not to sound all Corporate America but it wouldn't suck...
We'll see. That sucks that guys like Fano, Mauigoa and Dunker are all RTs even though we desperately need one of those too. Goosby & Lomu are both LTs. Miami's senior LT Markel Bell is 6'9" 345 lbs - he took over as the starter this year so he might be someone with good upside. Did I really just type that about a 6'9" prospect? We'll have to find out more about him during the CFP.
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Yep.
But I think it will be Berry in charge of the '26 Draft, but for a new head coach.
Dawand Jones' injuries and Zak Zinter not working out really has hurt the Browns attempt to transition from the Nick Chubb/Baker OLine era to today. You have to think Bitonio will retire after this season, I wonder if they will bring back any of the other guys who are free agents after this season. I have doubts.
True. It IS possible he has re-visited each of those picks and what went wrong beside injuries ie; getting scouts to research work ethics of prospects (and if there's any leadership traits) they're thinking about drafting the way Buffalo used to when they built their team that won 4 AFC Championships in a row. The local newspapers at the time (The Democrat & Chronicle as well as the Times Union) both did similar articles talking about Bill Polian & John Butler getting scouts to research character all the way back into high school and earlier in some cases.
I know that sounds over the top but thinking back to the DB/KR Justin Gilbert the Browns drafted in 2014 in round 1 from Oklahoma State was a disaster. One of the guys on their Coaching staff said he was shocked nobody from the Browns wanted to know about his character, work ethic or practice habits. That may or may not have been within the 1st time Andrew Berry was here. I will say the success of this year's draft may be a sign that Berry and staff might have done some quality improvement - not to sound all Corporate America but it wouldn't suck...
We'll see. That sucks that guys like Fano, Mauigoa and Dunker are all RTs even though we desperately need one of those too. Goosby & Lomu are both LTs. Miami's senior LT Markel Bell is 6'9" 345 lbs - he took over as the starter this year so he might be someone with good upside. Did I really just type that about a 6'9" prospect? We'll have to find out more about him during the CFP.
I know that sounds over the top but thinking back to the DB/KR Justin Gilbert the Browns drafted in 2014 in round 1 from Oklahoma State was a disaster. One of the guys on their Coaching staff said he was shocked nobody from the Browns wanted to know about his character, work ethic or practice habits. That may or may not have been within the 1st time Andrew Berry was here. I will say the success of this year's draft may be a sign that Berry and staff might have done some quality improvement - not to sound all Corporate America but it wouldn't suck...
We'll see. That sucks that guys like Fano, Mauigoa and Dunker are all RTs even though we desperately need one of those too. Goosby & Lomu are both LTs. Miami's senior LT Markel Bell is 6'9" 345 lbs - he took over as the starter this year so he might be someone with good upside. Did I really just type that about a 6'9" prospect? We'll have to find out more about him during the CFP.
Gilbert was drafted during the Ray Farmer era, Berry was with the Colts at that time. His first stint here was in 2016-18, then he did a year in Philadelphia before coming back as GM in 2020. Funny thing about Gilbert was that Brandon Weeden said something similar, that if the Browns would have just asked him about Gilbert once he would have warned them about his ex-OK State teammate, but they didn't.
My dream scenario is to end up with the 2nd overall pick again, trade down, pick up a haul again like last draft and take either Lomu or Goosby... then with the late first rounder/our high second rounder/new high second rounder take another Olineman and perhaps two WRs. Within the first 40 or so picks that would be going hard in the paint for your two biggest weaknesses.
That would allow you to possibly invest in some defensive soft spots like cornerback and DTackle in the mid rounds.
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