Head Coach Search - Interviews
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Not only has Jimmy Haslam failed to put the right people in place to select a coach.
He has now been unable to properly read the tea leaves. Just because one owns an NFL Franchise doesn’t guarantee others want to be the Head Coach.
On top of that, he has made the grand mistake that many of us feel. Berry is making decisions, but his leash is short as well. That has created uncertainty among the qualified candidates who understand that one year from now the Browns will probably have a new GM and that GM will want his people in place.
And Jimmy is trying to do all of this to save face, to try and make it look like the team's not doing a complete rebuild, to try to keep the Defense intact and a future HOFer in Cleveland.
The Google tells me the Browns have two of the eight next key candidates to be GM: Glenn Cooks and Catherine Raiche.
What does anyone know about them? I know nothing, I don't know if they're legitimate or the AI is giving me those names because I'm a Browns fan.
I can't imagine that Haslam would give Berry the boot now but I can dream.
Not only has Jimmy Haslam failed to put the right people in place to select a coach.
He has now been unable to properly read the tea leaves. Just because one owns an NFL Franchise doesn’t guarantee others want to be the Head Coach.
On top of that, he has made the grand mistake that many of us feel. Berry is making decisions, but his leash is short as well. That has created uncertainty among the qualified candidates who understand that one year from now the Browns will probably have a new GM and that GM will want his people in place.
And Jimmy is trying to do all of this to save face, to try and make it look like the team's not doing a complete rebuild, to try to keep the Defense intact and a future HOFer in Cleveland.
The Google tells me the Browns have two of the eight next key candidates to be GM: Glenn Cooks and Catherine Raiche.
What does anyone know about them? I know nothing, I don't know if they're legitimate or the AI is giving me those names because I'm a Browns fan.
I can't imagine that Haslam would give Berry the boot now but I can dream.
The boot? No; but a dirty jock strap would work. Jimmy is another very wealthy leader that looks for scapegoats instead of COUNTING/READING the inconvenient truth as a cue to action instead of a Fah-cue.
Tell you what I want. Let's baby step with 1 thing right here - I want Joe Thomas to be our OLine Coach. We need 2 reliable starting OTackles; and he was once a rookie starting LT with the luxury of playing next to a calming influence and reliable/savvy veteran OGuard like Eric Steinbach (another OL stud from Kirk Ferentz's program at Iowa). The Browns went 10-6 that year fwiw...
If it's not promoting Schwartz - my guess is their SIP (Scapegoat In Training) will be a "Yes Sir" guy that will probably get power played by Berry & Haslam when it comes time for the new HC to hire the staff around him. It's prolly a big reason they have to wait until all the ideal HC prospects are hired elsewhere before settling on someone they'll pretend was their choice all along.
I don't sound massively frustrated that this is where Jimmy's business is still at - do I? I used to joke around reminding us all - "We're all here because we're not all there." So, I'm gonna try to stop bellyaching about it moving forward.
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so i take it that dipshit berry has not satisfied the rooney rule , I mean wtf dude a smart gm gets that stupid shit out of the way quickly, and now we are on to the second wave of interviews ( yes i mean sure you could tell a guy to please just wait ) but would you trust anything the f.o sez ? just hire pettine back I bet he would like some more of haslems money
so i take it that dipshit berry has not satisfied the rooney rule , I mean wtf dude a smart gm gets that stupid shit out of the way quickly, and now we are on to the second wave of interviews ( yes i mean sure you could tell a guy to please just wait ) but would you trust anything the f.o sez ? just hire pettine back I bet he would like some more of haslems money
True.
Here's the thing, did the NYGiants actually satisfy this silly Rooney Rule? Sure doesn't look like it.
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@flugel I would love Joe Thomas to be the OL Coach. Look at what Jason Taylor has done with (Univ of) Miami's DL. The Browns need Joe Thomas more than Joe Thomas needs to Browns.
Loyal as he is to Cleveland and the Browns, I believe the Browns frustrate him. His social media posts aren't critical but they are truthful.
He enjoys time on his farm. He is heavily involved in raising NIL money for Wisconsin and recruiting players in the portal.
He can make just as much behind a microphone as he can coaching, plus he gets to fly in/fly out faster and spend Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas with his kids rather than work 16-17 hour days August through January.
Just my take. I wish I was wrong.
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so i take it that dipshit berry has not satisfied the rooney rule , I mean wtf dude a smart gm gets that stupid shit out of the way quickly, and now we are on to the second wave of interviews ( yes i mean sure you could tell a guy to please just wait ) but would you trust anything the f.o sez ? just hire pettine back I bet he would like some more of haslems money
True.
Here's the thing, did the NYGiants actually satisfy this silly Rooney Rule? Sure doesn't look like it.
True.
Here's the thing, did the NYGiants actually satisfy this silly Rooney Rule? Sure doesn't look like it.
Thanks Bob! You nailed it! Another episode of "It's only the Browns" justifying criteria that favors a team like the Rats. Sticking with the theme as 1 Distorted Poet Used to say: "Treat me like the Dirtbag that I am." In his honor, I'll share some of his dirty revised poetry - so if anyone doesn't like Pottymouth you can boycott the short video below...
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@flugel I would love Joe Thomas to be the OL Coach. Look at what Jason Taylor has done with (Univ of) Miami's DL. The Browns need Joe Thomas more than Joe Thomas needs to Browns.
Loyal as he is to Cleveland and the Browns, I believe the Browns frustrate him. His social media posts aren't critical but they are truthful.
He enjoys time on his farm. He is heavily involved in raising NIL money for Wisconsin and recruiting players in the portal.
He can make just as much behind a microphone as he can coaching, plus he gets to fly in/fly out faster and spend Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas with his kids rather than work 16-17 hour days August through January.
Just my take. I wish I was wrong.
@flugel I would love Joe Thomas to be the OL Coach. Look at what Jason Taylor has done with (Univ of) Miami's DL. The Browns need Joe Thomas more than Joe Thomas needs to Browns.
Loyal as he is to Cleveland and the Browns, I believe the Browns frustrate him. His social media posts aren't critical but they are truthful.
He enjoys time on his farm. He is heavily involved in raising NIL money for Wisconsin and recruiting players in the portal.
He can make just as much behind a microphone as he can coaching, plus he gets to fly in/fly out faster and spend Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas with his kids rather than work 16-17 hour days August through January.
Just my take. I wish I was wrong.
Great take! I wish you were wrong too AP1...
If anyone can nullify the desperate situation with our OLine & OTackles in particular - Here's to hoping we're both wrong:
Here's another thing I found on Google I cut and pasted below:
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so i take it that dipshit berry has not satisfied the rooney rule , I mean wtf dude a smart gm gets that stupid shit out of the way quickly, and now we are on to the second wave of interviews ( yes i mean sure you could tell a guy to please just wait ) but would you trust anything the f.o sez ? just hire pettine back I bet he would like some more of haslems money
True.
Here's the thing, did the NYGiants actually satisfy this silly Rooney Rule? Sure doesn't look like it.
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after the watson debacle, what in demand coach would want to come to the Browns when they can go elsewhere???
We'll see - but like Ward was saying - they need a strong leader as HC. I just think haslam is too arrogant to hire one.
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Yeah rumors have him going to the Ratbirds.
I'm not sure what to think about this Browns HC process. Their track record is in all of our minds....will the patience pay off?
Maybe the Scheelhaase guy is their guy?
It's basically a testimony of where the Browns Owner & FO ranks among all competitors that were bad enough to need a new HC. Todd Monken who had a recent 2nd interview was an OC here that was so well trusted the 1st time he was here - that he wasn't even allowed to call the plays for HC Freddie Childress. Now, the Owner and Andrew Berry have him as one of the select few competing with DC Jim Schwartz (that Haslam and Berry are reluctant to promote).
They'll get their version of the best of what's left. Let's say it becomes Steeple-Chase. The 1st culture shock is 1 team has legit NFL starting Tackles while the Browns need to find 2 upgrades an OC would be comfortable with. The Rams have had QB Matthew Stafford - while the Browns have a Rosary & 2 unproven QBs from the 3rd & 5th rounds. On the perimeter at QB the Rams have 2 WRs that excel at getting open, catching passes, making 1st downs and scoring TDs. The Browns have 1 veteran WR Jerry Jeudy that was a bad fit in Denver for Sean Payton and only 1 other WR that was undrafted (Isaiah Bond from Texas) but that doesn't hold a candle to the Rams. The Rams also have 2 very good RBs Kyren Williams and Blake Corum; BUT this is 1 area the Browns can match their talent imo (if Judkins heals well). This feels like it's going to be a culture shock for a young coach like Steeple-Chase.
We spend a lot of time talking about our team here. Here we are with all the best HC candidates undoubtedly being advised by their agents - you don't want to work for Haslam & Berry. Monken or Steeple-Chase will be left standing if the Brain Trust succeeds at pissing off Schwartz. Then we'd have to find a DC. That would SUCK. The 1 area of this team that looked like it had a lot of fun playing together last year; and Berry & Haslam could have them all wishing they were out of here. For the love of God just hire Schwartz already and get yourself a Coordinator while there's still 1 worth taking.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Yeah rumors have him going to the Ratbirds.
I'm not sure what to think about this Browns HC process. Their track record is in all of our minds....will the patience pay off?
Maybe the Scheelhaase guy is their guy?
It's basically a testimony of where the Browns Owner & FO ranks among all competitors that were bad enough to need a new HC. Todd Monken who had a recent 2nd interview was an OC here that was so well trusted the 1st time he was here - that he wasn't even allowed to call the plays for HC Freddie Childress. Now, the Owner and Andrew Berry have him as one of the select few competing with DC Jim Schwartz (that Haslam and Berry are reluctant to promote).
They'll get their version of the best of what's left. Let's say it becomes Steeple-Chase. The 1st culture shock is 1 team has legit NFL starting Tackles while the Browns need to find 2 upgrades an OC would be comfortable with. The Rams have had QB Matthew Stafford - while the Browns have a Rosary & 2 unproven QBs from the 3rd & 5th rounds. On the perimeter at QB the Rams have 2 WRs that excel at getting open, catching passes, making 1st downs and scoring TDs. The Browns have 1 veteran WR Jerry Jeudy that was a bad fit in Denver for Sean Payton and only 1 other WR that was undrafted (Isaiah Bond from Texas) but that doesn't hold a candle to the Rams. The Rams also have 2 very good RBs Kyren Williams and Blake Corum; BUT this is 1 area the Browns can match their talent imo (if Judkins heals well). This feels like it's going to be a culture shock for a young coach like Steeple-Chase.
We spend a lot of time talking about our team here. Here we are with all the best HC candidates undoubtedly being advised by their agents - you don't want to work for Haslam & Berry. Monken or Steeple-Chase will be left standing if the Brain Trust succeeds at pissing off Schwartz. Then we'd have to find a DC. That would SUCK. The 1 area of this team that looked like it had a lot of fun playing together last year; and Berry & Haslam could have them all wishing they were out of here. For the love of God just hire Schwartz already and get yourself a Coordinator while there's still 1 worth taking.
Here we are with all the best HC candidates undoubtedly being advised by their agents - you don't want to work for Haslam & Berry.
Right. All one really has to do is look at Halsam's history of hiring and firing HC's & GM's....and the whole Kyle Shanahan thing (Let me the _ _ _ _ outa' here).
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Yeah rumors have him going to the Ratbirds.
I'm not sure what to think about this Browns HC process. Their track record is in all of our minds....will the patience pay off?
Maybe the Scheelhaase guy is their guy?
It's basically a testimony of where the Browns Owner & FO ranks among all competitors that were bad enough to need a new HC. Todd Monken who had a recent 2nd interview was an OC here that was so well trusted the 1st time he was here - that he wasn't even allowed to call the plays for HC Freddie Childress. Now, the Owner and Andrew Berry have him as one of the select few competing with DC Jim Schwartz (that Haslam and Berry are reluctant to promote).
They'll get their version of the best of what's left. Let's say it becomes Steeple-Chase. The 1st culture shock is 1 team has legit NFL starting Tackles while the Browns need to find 2 upgrades an OC would be comfortable with. The Rams have had QB Matthew Stafford - while the Browns have a Rosary & 2 unproven QBs from the 3rd & 5th rounds. On the perimeter at QB the Rams have 2 WRs that excel at getting open, catching passes, making 1st downs and scoring TDs. The Browns have 1 veteran WR Jerry Jeudy that was a bad fit in Denver for Sean Payton and only 1 other WR that was undrafted (Isaiah Bond from Texas) but that doesn't hold a candle to the Rams. The Rams also have 2 very good RBs Kyren Williams and Blake Corum; BUT this is 1 area the Browns can match their talent imo (if Judkins heals well). This feels like it's going to be a culture shock for a young coach like Steeple-Chase.
We spend a lot of time talking about our team here. Here we are with all the best HC candidates undoubtedly being advised by their agents - you don't want to work for Haslam & Berry. Monken or Steeple-Chase will be left standing if the Brain Trust succeeds at pissing off Schwartz. Then we'd have to find a DC. That would SUCK. The 1 area of this team that looked like it had a lot of fun playing together last year; and Berry & Haslam could have them all wishing they were out of here. For the love of God just hire Schwartz already and get yourself a Coordinator while there's still 1 worth taking.
It's basically a testimony of where the Browns Owner & FO ranks among all competitors that were bad enough to need a new HC. Todd Monken who had a recent 2nd interview was an OC here that was so well trusted the 1st time he was here - that he wasn't even allowed to call the plays for HC Freddie Childress. Now, the Owner and Andrew Berry have him as one of the select few competing with DC Jim Schwartz (that Haslam and Berry are reluctant to promote).
They'll get their version of the best of what's left. Let's say it becomes Steeple-Chase. The 1st culture shock is 1 team has legit NFL starting Tackles while the Browns need to find 2 upgrades an OC would be comfortable with. The Rams have had QB Matthew Stafford - while the Browns have a Rosary & 2 unproven QBs from the 3rd & 5th rounds. On the perimeter at QB the Rams have 2 WRs that excel at getting open, catching passes, making 1st downs and scoring TDs. The Browns have 1 veteran WR Jerry Jeudy that was a bad fit in Denver for Sean Payton and only 1 other WR that was undrafted (Isaiah Bond from Texas) but that doesn't hold a candle to the Rams. The Rams also have 2 very good RBs Kyren Williams and Blake Corum; BUT this is 1 area the Browns can match their talent ino (if Judkins heals well). This feels like it's going to be a culture shock for a young coach like Steeple-Chase.
We spend a lot of time talking about our team here. Here we are with all the best HC candidates undoubtedly being advised by their agents - you don't want to work for Haslam & Berry. Monken or Steeple-Chase will be left standing if the Brain Trust succeeds at pissing off Schwartz. Then we'd have to find a DC. That would SUCK. The 1 area of this team that looked like it had a lot of fun playing together last year; and Berry & Haslam could have them all wishing they were out of here. For the love of God just hire Schwartz already and get yourself a Coordinator while there's still 1 worth taking.
I like your QB analysis?
"A rosary and two unproven QBs"
Hemingway-esque lol
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Here we are with all the best HC candidates undoubtedly being advised by their agents - you don't want to work for Haslam & Berry.
Right. All one really has to do is look at Halsam's history of hiring and firing HC's & GM's....and the whole Kyle Shanahan thing (Let me the _ _ _ _ outa' here).
Right. All one really has to do is look at Halsam's history of hiring and firing HC's & GM's....and the whole Kyle Shanahan thing (Let me the _ _ _ _ outa' here).
I remember way back in the day when women would participate in weekly football pools. Some would pick teams because they liked their uniforms while others would pick a team because they liked the city the teams played for. Having said that, when you throw point spreads into these things forget the man card nonsense - any one of the ladies that played had a great chance to win by accident. That's kind of what we have to hope for here from Berry & Haslam. That or they can take the Jed Clampett route and go hunting together. Whatever one that doesn't get shot in the fanny still has a chance to get the game; but misfire and strike oil by accident...
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Oh, somebody will take the oil well from Haslem thinking, "So what's the worst that can happen? Team keeps on losing and I retire with enough money for life for not being able to overcome a screwed up FO? So fuckin' what!!"
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Oh, somebody will take the oil well from Haslem thinking, "So what's the worst that can happen? Team keeps on losing and I retire with enough money for life for not being able to overcome a screwed up FO? So fuckin' what!!"
Oh, somebody will take the oil well from Haslem thinking, "So what's the worst that can happen? Team keeps on losing and I retire with enough money for life for not being able to overcome a screwed up FO? So fuckin' what!!"
Right, but that presumably won't be the supposed 'better' candidates. And if a candidate is thinking of his future as a HC in the NFL, he has to ask himself, Will being a Browns HC be a feather in my cap? Or an anchor tied to my waste?
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Oh, somebody will take the oil well from Haslem thinking, "So what's the worst that can happen? Team keeps on losing and I retire with enough money for life for not being able to overcome a screwed up FO? So fuckin' what!!"
Oh, somebody will take the oil well from Haslem thinking, "So what's the worst that can happen? Team keeps on losing and I retire with enough money for life for not being able to overcome a screwed up FO? So fuckin' what!!"
1 good thing maybe by accident - maybe by planning, Steeple-Chase takes care of the Rooney Rule. We can hire Schwartz and somehow if Schwartz likes the kid and we have an OC too. Even worse, your buddy Flugel is getting Dumber by the second.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
My top pick for HC at this point is Udinski.
Offensive minded and helped both Lawrence and Darnald plus someone young with a new perspective.
Obviously the problem with Cleveland is our leadership in the front office. I've been reading a lot of reports how the Browns might have waited too long because now the Bills are in the mix with a top QB. But if I were looking for a new HC spot, I would find it more appealing to join the Browns where the only place to go is up. There will be a lot of scrutiny and pressure in Buffalo and anything short of a superbowl run would be considered a failure. My number one priorities would be pay and control over the field.
Getting a superbowl ring is pretty enticing but if it was that easy the previous HC would have got it done already.
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My top pick for HC at this point is Udinski.
Offensive minded and helped both Lawrence and Darnald plus someone young with a new perspective.
Obviously the problem with Cleveland is our leadership in the front office. I've been reading a lot of reports how the Browns might have waited too long because now the Bills are in the mix with a top QB. But if I were looking for a new HC spot, I would find it more appealing to join the Browns where the only place to go is up. There will be a lot of scrutiny and pressure in Buffalo and anything short of a superbowl run would be considered a failure. My number one priorities would be pay and control over the field.
Getting a superbowl ring is pretty enticing but if it was that easy the previous HC would have got it done already.
But if I were looking for a new HC spot, I would find it more appealing to join the Browns where the only place to go is up. There will be a lot of scrutiny and pressure in Buffalo and anything short of a superbowl run would be considered a failure.
Solid points Jax!
Ownership in Buffalo expects multiple Super Bowls.
We don't really know what ownership in Cleveland expects, but we expect that he expects something...maybe...hopefully...prob...well, hopefully.
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Yeah rumors have him going to the Ratbirds.
I'm not sure what to think about this Browns HC process. Their track record is in all of our minds....will the patience pay off?
Maybe the Scheelhaase guy is their guy?
It's basically a testimony of where the Browns Owner & FO ranks among all competitors that were bad enough to need a new HC. Todd Monken who had a recent 2nd interview was an OC here that was so well trusted the 1st time he was here - that he wasn't even allowed to call the plays for HC Freddie Childress. Now, the Owner and Andrew Berry have him as one of the select few competing with DC Jim Schwartz (that Haslam and Berry are reluctant to promote).
They'll get their version of the best of what's left. Let's say it becomes Steeple-Chase. The 1st culture shock is 1 team has legit NFL starting Tackles while the Browns need to find 2 upgrades an OC would be comfortable with. The Rams have had QB Matthew Stafford - while the Browns have a Rosary & 2 unproven QBs from the 3rd & 5th rounds. On the perimeter at QB the Rams have 2 WRs that excel at getting open, catching passes, making 1st downs and scoring TDs. The Browns have 1 veteran WR Jerry Jeudy that was a bad fit in Denver for Sean Payton and only 1 other WR that was undrafted (Isaiah Bond from Texas) but that doesn't hold a candle to the Rams. The Rams also have 2 very good RBs Kyren Williams and Blake Corum; BUT this is 1 area the Browns can match their talent imo (if Judkins heals well). This feels like it's going to be a culture shock for a young coach like Steeple-Chase.
We spend a lot of time talking about our team here. Here we are with all the best HC candidates undoubtedly being advised by their agents - you don't want to work for Haslam & Berry. Monken or Steeple-Chase will be left standing if the Brain Trust succeeds at pissing off Schwartz. Then we'd have to find a DC. That would SUCK. The 1 area of this team that looked like it had a lot of fun playing together last year; and Berry & Haslam could have them all wishing they were out of here. For the love of God just hire Schwartz already and get yourself a Coordinator while there's still 1 worth taking.
It's basically a testimony of where the Browns Owner & FO ranks among all competitors that were bad enough to need a new HC. Todd Monken who had a recent 2nd interview was an OC here that was so well trusted the 1st time he was here - that he wasn't even allowed to call the plays for HC Freddie Childress. Now, the Owner and Andrew Berry have him as one of the select few competing with DC Jim Schwartz (that Haslam and Berry are reluctant to promote).
They'll get their version of the best of what's left. Let's say it becomes Steeple-Chase. The 1st culture shock is 1 team has legit NFL starting Tackles while the Browns need to find 2 upgrades an OC would be comfortable with. The Rams have had QB Matthew Stafford - while the Browns have a Rosary & 2 unproven QBs from the 3rd & 5th rounds. On the perimeter at QB the Rams have 2 WRs that excel at getting open, catching passes, making 1st downs and scoring TDs. The Browns have 1 veteran WR Jerry Jeudy that was a bad fit in Denver for Sean Payton and only 1 other WR that was undrafted (Isaiah Bond from Texas) but that doesn't hold a candle to the Rams. The Rams also have 2 very good RBs Kyren Williams and Blake Corum; BUT this is 1 area the Browns can match their talent ino (if Judkins heals well). This feels like it's going to be a culture shock for a young coach like Steeple-Chase.
We spend a lot of time talking about our team here. Here we are with all the best HC candidates undoubtedly being advised by their agents - you don't want to work for Haslam & Berry. Monken or Steeple-Chase will be left standing if the Brain Trust succeeds at pissing off Schwartz. Then we'd have to find a DC. That would SUCK. The 1 area of this team that looked like it had a lot of fun playing together last year; and Berry & Haslam could have them all wishing they were out of here. For the love of God just hire Schwartz already and get yourself a Coordinator while there's still 1 worth taking.
Schwartz and Monken are the backup plan. Udinski and Scheelhaase (steeple chase lol) are the front runners. The Bills will interview Udinski on Sunday if we haven't hired him already.
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Oh, somebody will take the oil well from Haslem thinking, "So what's the worst that can happen? Team keeps on losing and I retire with enough money for life for not being able to overcome a screwed up FO? So fuckin' what!!"
1 good thing maybe by accident - maybe by planning, Steeple-Chase takes care of the Rooney Rule. We can hire Schwartz and somehow if Schwartz likes the kid and we have an OC too. Even worse, your buddy Flugel is getting Dumber by the second.
1 good thing maybe by accident - maybe by planning, Steeple-Chase takes care of the Rooney Rule. We can hire Schwartz and somehow if Schwartz likes the kid and we have an OC too. Even worse, your buddy Flugel is getting Dumber by the second.
We still would not fulfill the Rooney rule even if we hired Scheelhaase. However, they could've interviewed other minority candidates without announcing it yet or if they hire Scheelhaase or Udinski by Monday then Jimmah will pay the fine.
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