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  • L lemosley01

    @.mz said:

    Who gives a shit either way. We have our film and statistics on Anderson already. Chances are he doesn't magically turn into John Elway.

    Probably not, especially with Mangini driving this bus (off the cliff).

    Big fear: We spend 5 years trying to coach the guy up because coaches keep falling in love with his arm.

    Even bigger fear - draft McCoy, Bradford, or whomever and screw them, too (by then, Mangini will be gone, and the next coach will want his guy).

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    @lemosley01 said:

    Even bigger fear - draft McCoy, Bradford, or whomever and screw them, too (by then, Mangini will be gone, and the next coach will want his guy).

    I share this same fear.

    @restinpeace said:

    He doesn't need to be John Elway, just play at a backup QB level. We weren't even getting that from Quinn.

    As you're alluding to, I think we all need to admit that we're playing for 2010 at this point. Kind of like extended training camp. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, to paraphrase Jim Lampley, either lying or stupid.

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    • . .mz

      @lemosley01 said:

      Even bigger fear - draft McCoy, Bradford, or whomever and screw them, too (by then, Mangini will be gone, and the next coach will want his guy).

      I share this same fear.

      @restinpeace said:

      He doesn't need to be John Elway, just play at a backup QB level. We weren't even getting that from Quinn.

      As you're alluding to, I think we all need to admit that we're playing for 2010 at this point. Kind of like extended training camp. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, to paraphrase Jim Lampley, either lying or stupid.

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      DrunkandstoopidD Drunkandstoopid wrote on last edited by
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      @.mz said:

      I share this same fear.

      As you're alluding to, I think we all need to admit that we're playing for 2010 at this point. Kind of like extended training camp. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, to paraphrase Jim Lampley, either lying or stupid.

      The reality is we're probably playing for 2011. I don't see the line improving that much by next season, gotta have that for any real success.

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        ^^You know what I mean. 🙂

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        • L lemosley01

          @.mz said:

          Who gives a shit either way. We have our film and statistics on Anderson already. Chances are he doesn't magically turn into John Elway.

          Probably not, especially with Mangini driving this bus (off the cliff).

          Big fear: We spend 5 years trying to coach the guy up because coaches keep falling in love with his arm.

          Even bigger fear - draft McCoy, Bradford, or whomever and screw them, too (by then, Mangini will be gone, and the next coach will want his guy).

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          Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on last edited by
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          @lemosley01 said:

          Probably not, especially with Mangini driving this bus (off the cliff).

          Big fear: We spend 5 years trying to coach the guy up because coaches keep falling in love with his arm.

          Even bigger fear - draft McCoy, Bradford, or whomever and screw them, too (by then, Mangini will be gone, and the next coach will want his guy).

          Like JaMarcus Russell? Wow Al Davis was impressed that the man could throw a ball 60 yards from on his knees.

          To bad he cant hit the side of a barn if he was standing next to it.

          Head or Gut?
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          • R RestinPeace

            Quinn didn't have much pressure from the Ravens and he still struggled throwing the ball.

            Frankly, I think to many people remember Quinn to fondly in the first Broncos game, where he was given everything to the TE down the middle. Quinn didn't do much of anything else on the whole with the offense. By the Texans game, he was toast, and played terribly. The broken finger was a cover IMO to get Brady from playing the rest of the season so he wouldn't damage his reputation as a "rising young QB".

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            D DaBrowns41 wrote on last edited by
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            @restinpeace said:

            Quinn didn't have much pressure from the Ravens and he still struggled throwing the ball.

            Frankly, I think to many people remember Quinn to fondly in the first Broncos game, where he was given everything to the TE down the middle. Quinn didn't do much of anything else on the whole with the offense. By the Texans game, he was toast, and played terribly. The broken finger was a cover IMO to get Brady from playing the rest of the season so he wouldn't damage his reputation as a "rising young QB".

            The stats don't lie.

            9 sacks after 2 games.

            Quinn was sacked, on average, 2.66 seconds from the snap. How's that for some time?

            You obviously didn't see the pocket continuously collapsing against Baltimore... You know, when he had to run outside the pocket to buy time?

            You should try watching the games instead of just looking at the stat lines and assuming you know what your talking about. Besides, it's his first time playing against one of the best defenses in the league. Give him a break.

            Jesus.

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              @restinpeace said:

              Quinn didn't have much pressure from the Ravens and he still struggled throwing the ball.

              Frankly, I think to many people remember Quinn to fondly in the first Broncos game, where he was given everything to the TE down the middle. Quinn didn't do much of anything else on the whole with the offense. By the Texans game, he was toast, and played terribly. The broken finger was a cover IMO to get Brady from playing the rest of the season so he wouldn't damage his reputation as a "rising young QB".

              The stats don't lie.

              9 sacks after 2 games.

              Quinn was sacked, on average, 2.66 seconds from the snap. How's that for some time?

              You obviously didn't see the pocket continuously collapsing against Baltimore... You know, when he had to run outside the pocket to buy time?

              You should try watching the games instead of just looking at the stat lines and assuming you know what your talking about. Besides, it's his first time playing against one of the best defenses in the league. Give him a break.

              Jesus.

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              R RestinPeace wrote on last edited by
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              @dabrowns41 said:

              The stats don't lie.

              9 sacks after 2 games.

              Quinn was sacked, on average, 2.66 seconds from the snap. How's that for some time?

              You obviously didn't see the pocket continuously collapsing against Baltimore... You know, when he had to run outside the pocket to buy time?

              You should try watching the games instead of just looking at the stat lines and assuming you know what your talking about. Besides, it's his first time playing against one of the best defenses in the league. Give him a break.

              Jesus.

              Quinn also gave up 4 of those sacks with bad play. Gotcha. Stats don't lie, sucks for Quinn.

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              • R RestinPeace

                @dabrowns41 said:

                The stats don't lie.

                9 sacks after 2 games.

                Quinn was sacked, on average, 2.66 seconds from the snap. How's that for some time?

                You obviously didn't see the pocket continuously collapsing against Baltimore... You know, when he had to run outside the pocket to buy time?

                You should try watching the games instead of just looking at the stat lines and assuming you know what your talking about. Besides, it's his first time playing against one of the best defenses in the league. Give him a break.

                Jesus.

                Quinn also gave up 4 of those sacks with bad play. Gotcha. Stats don't lie, sucks for Quinn.

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                D DaBrowns41 wrote on last edited by
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                @restinpeace said:

                Quinn also gave up 4 of those sacks with bad play. Gotcha. Stats don't lie, sucks for Quinn.

                Really? Proof?

                I've got all 3 games on the DVR still, and they say otherwise...

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                  @restinpeace said:

                  Quinn also gave up 4 of those sacks with bad play. Gotcha. Stats don't lie, sucks for Quinn.

                  Really? Proof?

                  I've got all 3 games on the DVR still, and they say otherwise...

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                  R RestinPeace wrote on last edited by
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                  @dabrowns41 said:

                  Really? Proof?

                  I've got all 3 games on the DVR still, and they say otherwise...

                  Because you think somebody getting sacked is all on the Oline. If you got 3 seconds to throw, you got the average time in the NFL. Go back to the DVR and try again.

                  The only game Quinn got pressured constantly, was the Broncos game.

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                  • R RestinPeace

                    @dabrowns41 said:

                    Really? Proof?

                    I've got all 3 games on the DVR still, and they say otherwise...

                    Because you think somebody getting sacked is all on the Oline. If you got 3 seconds to throw, you got the average time in the NFL. Go back to the DVR and try again.

                    The only game Quinn got pressured constantly, was the Broncos game.

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                    D DaBrowns41 wrote on last edited by
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                    @restinpeace said:

                    Because you think somebody getting sacked is all on the Oline. If you got 3 seconds to throw, you got the average time in the NFL. Go back to the DVR and try again.

                    The only game Quinn got pressured constantly, was the Broncos game.

                    On 3 of those 8 sacks he held the ball for over 3 seconds.

                    http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/23/which-q...-ball-too-long/

                    And 3 seconds is the average sack time. It doesn't mean that QB's should only get 3 seconds to throw.

                    See? I show proof when I talk! It wouldn't hurt you to do that.

                    http://dabrowns41.blogspot.com Browns and Draft talk. Enjoy!
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                      Regadless of our lack of talent(which we do have a lack of talent)this regime has failed thusfar to be creative because they somehow failed to realize you cant play smashmouth vanilla football and go head to head if you lack the players to do so and thats what scares me about the little minded big man and his OC..this team can win and win often but not in constant head to head confrontation..mr big bossman with his tiny vanilla football brain likely lacks the creativity to deal with the rabble he inherited which is obviously better then the junk he drafted and traded for and being a super intelligent secret agent man that keeps his starting qbs so well under raps that nobody can guess who it is and being a power monger from being bullied and beaten up as a child he is to up there to ask his players what can we do to win with what we have since he cant figure it out himself..😉

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