Draft so you can win more games
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I get what you are saying Orion, but allow me to retort regarding your "draft the player who can help you win now" argument.
But of course. Always! (I actually didn't use the word 'now'...but I guess it's sort of implied)
Remember when Butch Davis was hanging on by a thread here and drafted Kellen Winslow II in the first round?
...and that goes to ballpeen's statement of, It helps to draft the right guy. Butch Davis' OL was totally inept also. And he even came out and said it, Until we fix the offensive line, nothing will change. That was his quote. But he didn't fix the OL. And he had too much power. The GM and football people wanted him to draft Richard Seymour, but he drafted Big Money instead...because he had recruited him from high school for his college program. (I didn't like him. He treated the players like children. And he was a liar)
My whole thing for this year is that we have a good solid defense. But we totally suck on offense because of the OL & WR's. The defense doesn't need to be getting any bling while the offense has no clothes.
Haslam wants to win now. You can hear that theme coming out in just about every interview he does.
...and Winslow was a talented player...but apparently he was kind of whacked out in the head. (whacked out...that's almost funny)
But of course. Always! (I actually didn't use the word 'now'...but I guess it's sort of implied)
...and that goes to ballpeen's statement of, It helps to draft the right guy. Butch Davis' OL was totally inept also. And he even came out and said it, Until we fix the offensive line, nothing will change. That was his quote. But he didn't fix the OL. And he had too much power. The GM and football people wanted him to draft Richard Seymour, but he drafted Big Money instead...because he had recruited him from high school for his college program. (I didn't like him. He treated the players like children. And he was a liar)
My whole thing for this year is that we have a good solid defense. But we totally suck on offense because of the OL & WR's. The defense doesn't need to be getting any bling while the offense has no clothes.
Haslam wants to win now. You can hear that theme coming out in just about every interview he does.
...and Winslow was a talented player...but apparently he was kind of whacked out in the head. (whacked out...that's almost funny)
At the end of the day, there’s a reason I keep posting mock drafts where the Browns take an OT and a WR with their first round picks. I hope they not only do this, but take another OLineman at #37 overall.
But if they took a defensive player at 6 who ends up being a great perennial Pro Bowler, I won’t kill them for it.
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I get what you are saying Orion, but allow me to retort regarding your "draft the player who can help you win now" argument.
But of course. Always! (I actually didn't use the word 'now'...but I guess it's sort of implied)
Remember when Butch Davis was hanging on by a thread here and drafted Kellen Winslow II in the first round?
...and that goes to ballpeen's statement of, It helps to draft the right guy. Butch Davis' OL was totally inept also. And he even came out and said it, Until we fix the offensive line, nothing will change. That was his quote. But he didn't fix the OL. And he had too much power. The GM and football people wanted him to draft Richard Seymour, but he drafted Big Money instead...because he had recruited him from high school for his college program. (I didn't like him. He treated the players like children. And he was a liar)
My whole thing for this year is that we have a good solid defense. But we totally suck on offense because of the OL & WR's. The defense doesn't need to be getting any bling while the offense has no clothes.
Haslam wants to win now. You can hear that theme coming out in just about every interview he does.
...and Winslow was a talented player...but apparently he was kind of whacked out in the head. (whacked out...that's almost funny)
...and Winslow was a talented player...but apparently he was kind of whacked out in the head. (whacked out...that's almost funny)
I see what you did there.
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What is it that you want your football team to do? Win more games, right?
The reason the team practices in the offseason, training camp, pre season, and the regular season is to be better able to win games.
The Draft (and FA) should be a function that supports that effort. What can we do on draft weekend that helps the team to be able to win more games?
Here's my view of drafting BPA (best player available): Why even send anyone to the draft site? Just set up your draft Big Board. Give each player a number value, feed that information into the computer and the computer will spit out the BPA for you each time it's your turn to pick. Integrate your computer to the NFL draft system. Boom! You're Done! Berry & Co. can take the wives out to dinner on Thursday night, go bowling Friday night and spend Saturday on the golf course.
No! I want the best player available that can help my team win freakin' football games. And I think that this year highlights my view. There may be a defensive player available to us at pick #6 who ranks higher on our board than anyone else available. To me, (for our team) drafting a defense player for a top 5 defense is drafting for statistics. It won't improve the team's ability to win more games. It's the offensive line & the wide receiver positions that are abysmal and are keeping us from winning. Perhaps if those two positions weren't in the horrid shape they're in but just needed some bit of improvement, then you could take the defender that you think might become an exceptional player. But with our OL & WR situations we just do not have that kind of luxury. (of course, if you suspect that that player may be of HOF caliber, then you bite the bullet and pick him)
And that strategy should be used throughout the draft. Let's face it, when a team trades up in the draft, they're targeting a player that they have a need for. They're not trading up to a spot so their computer can pick whomever it is the 'puter has ranked highest at that time.
- That's my view on drafting players. Thanks for taking the time to read.
What is it that you want your football team to do? Win more games, right?
The reason the team practices in the offseason, training camp, pre season, and the regular season is to be better able to win games.
The Draft (and FA) should be a function that supports that effort. What can we do on draft weekend that helps the team to be able to win more games?
Here's my view of drafting BPA (best player available): Why even send anyone to the draft site? Just set up your draft Big Board. Give each player a number value, feed that information into the computer and the computer will spit out the BPA for you each time it's your turn to pick. Integrate your computer to the NFL draft system. Boom! You're Done! Berry & Co. can take the wives out to dinner on Thursday night, go bowling Friday night and spend Saturday on the golf course.
No! I want the best player available that can help my team win freakin' football games. And I think that this year highlights my view. There may be a defensive player available to us at pick #6 who ranks higher on our board than anyone else available. To me, (for our team) drafting a defense player for a top 5 defense is drafting for statistics. It won't improve the team's ability to win more games. It's the offensive line & the wide receiver positions that are abysmal and are keeping us from winning. Perhaps if those two positions weren't in the horrid shape they're in but just needed some bit of improvement, then you could take the defender that you think might become an exceptional player. But with our OL & WR situations we just do not have that kind of luxury. (of course, if you suspect that that player may be of HOF caliber, then you bite the bullet and pick him)
And that strategy should be used throughout the draft. Let's face it, when a team trades up in the draft, they're targeting a player that they have a need for. They're not trading up to a spot so their computer can pick whomever it is the 'puter has ranked highest at that time.
- That's my view on drafting players. Thanks for taking the time to read.
Well done! Thanks!
That said, this isn't really a complicated science. After watching this team only win 3 games in 2024 the Browns made ZERO improvements to their OL. Then, we watched 17 games in 2025 with the 2 weakest spots on this team jumping off the screen at us: OL & WR. Now here's some cut and pastes of the repercussions of it all. Think of it as Divine Intervention asking Berry & Haslam - do you ever want to put the dumpster fire out?
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If I had to choose which I'd like to see most in FA, it would be the OL.
SORRY Dawgs! Can't find anywhere else to put this
We might have a updated version come Monday... Joel Bitonio ?
Decision day for the Cleveland Browns and Joel Bitonio looms, on the 16th of February (Monday) his contract is set to void which means he will become a free agent.
This will lock in a dead cap charge of $23,504,000 for the 2026 season that cannot be changed in anyway. They have options to change this but that needs to be decided before the 16th of Feb.
Browns have three different options to stop a dead cap charge of $23.5m being locked in for the 2026 season:
- They extend JB (a 1 year Franchise Tag ?)
- JB retires
- Moving the voiding date back---(Likely to happen/announce by Monday).>>
What could happen is an amendment to the contract which pushes the voiding date on the deal back. So rather than the 16th of February his contract voids it could move back to another date. March 10th to 13th are common dates for contracts voiding as it is all around the time of free agency. Also over a month prior to the NFL Draft
This poster, hopes JB's got 1 farewell tour season left ! Good Luck Joel Bitonio !
stay tuned.. we could win more games !
Browns have three different options to stop a dead cap charge of $23.5m being locked in for the 2026 season:
- They extend JB (a 1 year Franchise Tag ?)
- JB retires
- Moving the voiding date back
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This poster, hopes JB's got 1 farewell tour season left ! Good Luck Joel Bitonio !
Joel Bitonio, Browns push back void date on his contract
Jason Lloyd of TheAthletic.com reports that Bitonio and the team have agreed to push the void date of his current contract to just before the start of the 2026 league year in March. The contract was set to void on Monday.
Jason Lloyd@ByJasonLloydThe Browns and Joel Bitonio agreed to push the void date back on his contract until the end of the league year in March, according to a source. It gives Bitonio about three more weeks to decide on his future. The previous deadline was yesterday.
Yep! College LT's, make pro bowls at NFL LG too
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But of course. Always! (I actually didn't use the word 'now'...but I guess it's sort of implied)
...and that goes to ballpeen's statement of, It helps to draft the right guy. Butch Davis' OL was totally inept also. And he even came out and said it, Until we fix the offensive line, nothing will change. That was his quote. But he didn't fix the OL. And he had too much power. The GM and football people wanted him to draft Richard Seymour, but he drafted Big Money instead...because he had recruited him from high school for his college program. (I didn't like him. He treated the players like children. And he was a liar)
My whole thing for this year is that we have a good solid defense. But we totally suck on offense because of the OL & WR's. The defense doesn't need to be getting any bling while the offense has no clothes.
Haslam wants to win now. You can hear that theme coming out in just about every interview he does.
...and Winslow was a talented player...but apparently he was kind of whacked out in the head. (whacked out...that's almost funny)
At the end of the day, there’s a reason I keep posting mock drafts where the Browns take an OT and a WR with their first round picks. I hope they not only do this, but take another OLineman at #37 overall.
But if they took a defensive player at 6 who ends up being a great perennial Pro Bowler, I won’t kill them for it.
At the end of the day, there’s a reason I keep posting mock drafts where the Browns take an OT and a WR with their first round picks. I hope they not only do this, but take another OLineman at #37 overall.
But if they took a defensive player at 6 who ends up being a great perennial Pro Bowler, I won’t kill them for it.
Yeah, look at the Draft Simulator thread you started. "Yeah okay I'll try 1. Alright, I'll just do 1 more. Okay I lied - just 1 more. Damn, I stunk that one up - so that was just mulligan to the 1 I'm trying now. Can't quit like this - just 1 more. No harm in doing 1 last 1 before bed. Guess who's addicted?"
The Warden couldn't thank you enough for the break...
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On NFLN tonight at 8pm.. Tennessee at Cleveland . A showcase of 2 Rookie QB's. Ward at Sanders
This may have been the worse game I've ever seen #9 Grant Delpit ever play ? (lackluster angles/effort and ya can't tackle high)
Caleb Downs at pick 6 vs Grant Delpit a 2.44 pick..
Grant Delpit is due a contract after the 2026 season
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On NFLN tonight at 8pm.. Tennessee at Cleveland . A showcase of 2 Rookie QB's. Ward at Sanders
This may have been the worse game I've ever seen #9 Grant Delpit ever play ? (lackluster angles/effort and ya can't tackle high)
Caleb Downs at pick 6 vs Grant Delpit a 2.44 pick..
Grant Delpit is due a contract after the 2026 season
On NFLN tonight at 8pm.. Tennessee at Cleveland . A showcase of 2 Rookie QB's. Ward at Sanders
This may have been the worse game I've ever seen #9 Grant Delpit ever play ? (lackluster angles/effort and ya can't tackle high)
Caleb Downs at pick 6 vs Grant Delpit a 2.44 pick..
Grant Delpit is due a contract after the 2026 season
Yeah, I love Delpit close to the LOS in run support, but he's never been great in pass coverage ( while not awful).
I think we'd all like to see Downs as a Brown, but their offense was so awful I just don't see them drafting any defensive player in the 1st round.
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On NFLN tonight at 8pm.. Tennessee at Cleveland . A showcase of 2 Rookie QB's. Ward at Sanders
This may have been the worse game I've ever seen #9 Grant Delpit ever play ? (lackluster angles/effort and ya can't tackle high)
Caleb Downs at pick 6 vs Grant Delpit a 2.44 pick..
Grant Delpit is due a contract after the 2026 season
Yeah, I love Delpit close to the LOS in run support, but he's never been great in pass coverage ( while not awful).
I think we'd all like to see Downs as a Brown, but their offense was so awful I just don't see them drafting any defensive player in the 1st round.
Yeah, I love Delpit close to the LOS in run support, but he's never been great in pass coverage ( while not awful).
I think we'd all like to see Downs as a Brown, but their offense was so awful I just don't see them drafting any defensive player in the 1st round.
Would I be irate if they took Downs? No.
But this offense is in shambles. My hope is they invest heavily in the offense, specifically on the OLine and WR so if they take a QB in Round 1 in 2027 he isn't coming into a barren wasteland.
Looking at this draft and how it seems to be shaking out, I kind of like the idea of trading down a little out of #6 and taking a tackle (Lomu?) and then possibly moving up from #24 to get a WR (Boston?).
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I don't see any real value in trading up early in the draft. I think we would find more value trading a couple of 5th rounders to move up elsewhere.
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I don't see any real value in trading up early in the draft. I think we would find more value trading a couple of 5th rounders to move up elsewhere.
I don't see any real value in trading up early in the draft. I think we would find more value trading a couple of 5th rounders to move up elsewhere.
I don't see any real value in sitting pat at #24 and seeing all the top tier WRs come off the board before you can pick at a position you are desperate to fix, but I'm a silly goose that way.
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Yeah, I love Delpit close to the LOS in run support, but he's never been great in pass coverage ( while not awful).
I think we'd all like to see Downs as a Brown, but their offense was so awful I just don't see them drafting any defensive player in the 1st round.
Would I be irate if they took Downs? No.
But this offense is in shambles. My hope is they invest heavily in the offense, specifically on the OLine and WR so if they take a QB in Round 1 in 2027 he isn't coming into a barren wasteland.
Looking at this draft and how it seems to be shaking out, I kind of like the idea of trading down a little out of #6 and taking a tackle (Lomu?) and then possibly moving up from #24 to get a WR (Boston?).
get a WR (Boston?)
I like him. And I agree, would probably be gone before pick 24.
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get a WR (Boston?)
I like him. And I agree, would probably be gone before pick 24.
I like him. And I agree, would probably be gone before pick 24.
yeah, Boston would be a terrific pick at 24, but I had to be honest and figure he would be gone at least a few picks before the Browns could draft him. I've seen a few mocks that have Mauioga and Fano drafted before the #6 pick. Trouble is, I wouldn't pass up the L/R OG for Boston, with the Browns needing to revamp their offensive line so much. so confusing.
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I like him. And I agree, would probably be gone before pick 24.
yeah, Boston would be a terrific pick at 24, but I had to be honest and figure he would be gone at least a few picks before the Browns could draft him. I've seen a few mocks that have Mauioga and Fano drafted before the #6 pick. Trouble is, I wouldn't pass up the L/R OG for Boston, with the Browns needing to revamp their offensive line so much. so confusing.
I've seen a few mocks that have Mauioga and Fano drafted before the #6 pick
And I've seen a mock where the 2 WR's were also picked. (that'd be our luck) At that point you trade out. If you can't find a partner, you bite the bullet and draft the Safety.
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Now, this player would help us to win more games...if we had people that could block big fat guys.
“This kid, Carnell Tate, he has the length, he has incredible velcro hands. He doesn’t drop any passes. He blocks. He’s unselfish. He’s a tremendous route-runner. He’s NFL-ready to come in as a rookie. To me, for this football team in Cleveland, Shedeur Sanders made a lot of really good throws, some were dropped, they didn’t catch the football. Also, weather, he’s dealt with that at Ohio State and Columbus. For me, if he’s there at six, he’s a great pick for the Cleveland Browns,” Kiper said.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
The son-in-law. I guess he doesn't realize that we're going into another football season not knowing if our opening day QB is on the team or not. That our OL & WR's were among the league's worst last year. That our HC & Coordinators are all 1st timers. - He better be excited for 'what we can do this offseason'...because it's going to take a whale of an offseason to put a respectable offense on the field next season.
In a recent appearance on The Big Play Cleveland Show, Browns Vice President JW Johnson made it clear that the organization views its position far differently than many critics and analysts.
“It’s very hard to win in this league. People don’t think we are as close as we are. I don’t think we are as far as people think we are. I’m excited to see what we can do this offseason,” Johnson said.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
The son-in-law. I guess he doesn't realize that we're going into another football season not knowing if our opening day QB is on the team or not. That our OL & WR's were among the league's worst last year. That our HC & Coordinators are all 1st timers. - He better be excited for 'what we can do this offseason'...because it's going to take a whale of an offseason to put a respectable offense on the field next season.
In a recent appearance on The Big Play Cleveland Show, Browns Vice President JW Johnson made it clear that the organization views its position far differently than many critics and analysts.
“It’s very hard to win in this league. People don’t think we are as close as we are. I don’t think we are as far as people think we are. I’m excited to see what we can do this offseason,” Johnson said.
In a recent appearance on The Big Play Cleveland Show, Browns Vice President JW Johnson made it clear that the organization views its position far differently than many critics and analysts.
“It’s very hard to win in this league. People don’t think we are as close as we are. I don’t think we are as far as people think we are. I’m excited to see what we can do this offseason,” Johnson said.
oh, my. "yeah, we are close to going to the superbowl, all we need is a few more good/great drafts, a bunch of new offensive linemen, and a few top wr's and a quarterback"...we are so close" lol
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The son-in-law. I guess he doesn't realize that we're going into another football season not knowing if our opening day QB is on the team or not. That our OL & WR's were among the league's worst last year. That our HC & Coordinators are all 1st timers. - He better be excited for 'what we can do this offseason'...because it's going to take a whale of an offseason to put a respectable offense on the field next season.
In a recent appearance on The Big Play Cleveland Show, Browns Vice President JW Johnson made it clear that the organization views its position far differently than many critics and analysts.
“It’s very hard to win in this league. People don’t think we are as close as we are. I don’t think we are as far as people think we are. I’m excited to see what we can do this offseason,” Johnson said.
The son-in-law. I guess he doesn't realize that we're going into another football season not knowing if our opening day QB is on the team or not. That our OL & WR's were among the league's worst last year. That our HC & Coordinators are all 1st timers. - He better be excited for 'what we can do this offseason'...because it's going to take a whale of an offseason to put a respectable offense on the field next season.
In a recent appearance on The Big Play Cleveland Show, Browns Vice President JW Johnson made it clear that the organization views its position far differently than many critics and analysts.
“It’s very hard to win in this league. People don’t think we are as close as we are. I don’t think we are as far as people think we are. I’m excited to see what we can do this offseason,” Johnson said.
That's precisely why this team went 3-14 in 2024 and 5-12 in 2025 for a combined 8-26 record deeply appreciated by the oblivious ownership and FO. Jimmy's son-in-law packing the crackpipe wisdom. Actions speak louder than words...
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Now, this player would help us to win more games...if we had people that could block big fat guys.
“This kid, Carnell Tate, he has the length, he has incredible velcro hands. He doesn’t drop any passes. He blocks. He’s unselfish. He’s a tremendous route-runner. He’s NFL-ready to come in as a rookie. To me, for this football team in Cleveland, Shedeur Sanders made a lot of really good throws, some were dropped, they didn’t catch the football. Also, weather, he’s dealt with that at Ohio State and Columbus. For me, if he’s there at six, he’s a great pick for the Cleveland Browns,” Kiper said.
Now, this player would help us to win more games...if we had people that could block big fat guys.
“This kid, Carnell Tate, he has the length, he has incredible velcro hands. He doesn’t drop any passes. He blocks. He’s unselfish. He’s a tremendous route-runner. He’s NFL-ready to come in as a rookie. To me, for this football team in Cleveland, Shedeur Sanders made a lot of really good throws, some were dropped, they didn’t catch the football. Also, weather, he’s dealt with that at Ohio State and Columbus. For me, if he’s there at six, he’s a great pick for the Cleveland Browns,” Kiper said.
If the Big Uglies upfront can't block AGAIN the Browns might want to consider a WR that gets open immediately at the line of scrimmage. WRs that can change direction at the onset of a route can separate quickly enough for a QB sentenced to no time to throw. There's no disputing Carnell Tate's immense talent especially since many of us Ohio State fans have seen more of him than any other receiver in this draft. That said, if you want to see Tate at his best downfield - it ain't gonna happen with the substandard OTackles this FO counted on the last 2 years. Am I wrong saying the biggest concern right now is the inventory of brain cells in charge of getting the right OL personnel that can win in the trenches consistently enough for reliability?
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Now, this player would help us to win more games...if we had people that could block big fat guys.
“This kid, Carnell Tate, he has the length, he has incredible velcro hands. He doesn’t drop any passes. He blocks. He’s unselfish. He’s a tremendous route-runner. He’s NFL-ready to come in as a rookie. To me, for this football team in Cleveland, Shedeur Sanders made a lot of really good throws, some were dropped, they didn’t catch the football. Also, weather, he’s dealt with that at Ohio State and Columbus. For me, if he’s there at six, he’s a great pick for the Cleveland Browns,” Kiper said.
If the Big Uglies upfront can't block AGAIN the Browns might want to consider a WR that gets open immediately at the line of scrimmage. WRs that can change direction at the onset of a route can separate quickly enough for a QB sentenced to no time to throw. There's no disputing Carnell Tate's immense talent especially since many of us Ohio State fans have seen more of him than any other receiver in this draft. That said, if you want to see Tate at his best downfield - it ain't gonna happen with the substandard OTackles this FO counted on the last 2 years. Am I wrong saying the biggest concern right now is the inventory of brain cells in charge of getting the right OL personnel that can win in the trenches consistently enough for reliability?
If the Big Uglies upfront can't block AGAIN the Browns might want to consider a WR that gets open immediately at the line of scrimmage. WRs that can change direction at the onset of a route can separate quickly enough for a QB sentenced to no time to throw. There's no disputing Carnell Tate's immense talent especially since many of us Ohio State fans have seen more of him than any other receiver in this draft. That said, if you want to see Tate at his best downfield - it ain't gonna happen with the substandard OTackles this FO counted on the last 2 years. Am I wrong saying the biggest concern right now is the inventory of brain cells in charge of getting the right OL personnel that can win in the trenches consistently enough for reliability?
One of the best OSU has produced making contested catches - that’s just about every NFL pass. Had some amazing sideline toe taps. Smooth route runner. Probably not the suddenness explosiveness and top end speed like some of the other OSU greats. Dare I say he was more reliable than J. Smith this past year. High character.
If you made me take a WR at 6 I’d take Tate every time over Jaylen Tyson. But This class has good WR depth.
BPA at 6 for me- and it is a defensive player.
24 OT
2nd round WR
3rd round trade for OL
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