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  • The son-in-law.   I guess he doesn't realize that we're going into another football season not knowing if our opening day QB is on the team or not. That our OL & WR's were among the league's worst last year.  That our HC & Coordinators are all 1st timers.   - He better be excited for 'what we can do this offseason'...because it's going to take a whale of an offseason to put a respectable offense on the field next season.

    In a recent appearance on The Big Play Cleveland Show, Browns Vice President JW Johnson made it clear that the organization views its position far differently than many critics and analysts.

    “It’s very hard to win in this league. People don’t think we are as close as we are.  I don’t think we are as far as people think we are. I’m excited to see what we can do this offseason,” Johnson said.

    @orion said:

    In a recent appearance on The Big Play Cleveland Show, Browns Vice President JW Johnson made it clear that the organization views its position far differently than many critics and analysts.

    “It’s very hard to win in this league. People don’t think we are as close as we are.  I don’t think we are as far as people think we are. I’m excited to see what we can do this offseason,” Johnson said.

    oh, my. "yeah, we are close to going to the superbowl, all we need is a few more good/great drafts, a bunch of new offensive linemen, and a few top wr's and a quarterback"...we are so close" lol

  • The son-in-law.   I guess he doesn't realize that we're going into another football season not knowing if our opening day QB is on the team or not. That our OL & WR's were among the league's worst last year.  That our HC & Coordinators are all 1st timers.   - He better be excited for 'what we can do this offseason'...because it's going to take a whale of an offseason to put a respectable offense on the field next season.

    In a recent appearance on The Big Play Cleveland Show, Browns Vice President JW Johnson made it clear that the organization views its position far differently than many critics and analysts.

    “It’s very hard to win in this league. People don’t think we are as close as we are.  I don’t think we are as far as people think we are. I’m excited to see what we can do this offseason,” Johnson said.

    @orion said:

    The son-in-law.   I guess he doesn't realize that we're going into another football season not knowing if our opening day QB is on the team or not. That our OL & WR's were among the league's worst last year.  That our HC & Coordinators are all 1st timers.   - He better be excited for 'what we can do this offseason'...because it's going to take a whale of an offseason to put a respectable offense on the field next season.

    In a recent appearance on The Big Play Cleveland Show, Browns Vice President JW Johnson made it clear that the organization views its position far differently than many critics and analysts.

    “It’s very hard to win in this league. People don’t think we are as close as we are.  I don’t think we are as far as people think we are. I’m excited to see what we can do this offseason,” Johnson said.

    That's precisely why this team went 3-14 in 2024 and 5-12 in 2025 for a combined 8-26 record deeply appreciated by the oblivious ownership and FO. Jimmy's son-in-law packing the crackpipe wisdom. Actions speak louder than words...  

  • Now, this player would help us to win more games...if we had people that could block big fat guys.

    “This kid, Carnell Tate, he has the length, he has incredible velcro hands. He doesn’t drop any passes. He blocks. He’s unselfish. He’s a tremendous route-runner. He’s NFL-ready to come in as a rookie. To me, for this football team in Cleveland, Shedeur Sanders made a lot of really good throws, some were dropped, they didn’t catch the football. Also, weather, he’s dealt with that at Ohio State and Columbus. For me, if he’s there at six, he’s a great pick for the Cleveland Browns,” Kiper said.

    @orion said:

    Now, this player would help us to win more games...if we had people that could block big fat guys.

    “This kid, Carnell Tate, he has the length, he has incredible velcro hands. He doesn’t drop any passes. He blocks. He’s unselfish. He’s a tremendous route-runner. He’s NFL-ready to come in as a rookie. To me, for this football team in Cleveland, Shedeur Sanders made a lot of really good throws, some were dropped, they didn’t catch the football. Also, weather, he’s dealt with that at Ohio State and Columbus. For me, if he’s there at six, he’s a great pick for the Cleveland Browns,” Kiper said.

    If the Big Uglies upfront can't block AGAIN the Browns might want to consider a WR that gets open immediately at the line of scrimmage.  WRs that can change direction at the onset of a route can separate quickly enough for a QB sentenced to no time to throw. There's no disputing Carnell Tate's immense talent especially since many of us Ohio State fans have seen more of him than any other receiver in this draft.  That said, if you want to see Tate at his best downfield - it ain't gonna happen with the substandard OTackles this FO counted on the last 2 years.  Am I wrong saying the biggest concern right now is the inventory of brain cells in charge of getting the right OL personnel that can win in the trenches consistently enough for reliability?  

  • I'm changing my tune a little on the draft.

    I still think oline is our main priority, but if we could grab a crazy talented WR at 6, can't miss draft pick, I'm for it.

    If we can manage to put together an oline that's half competent that is.

  • @orion said:

    Now, this player would help us to win more games...if we had people that could block big fat guys.

    “This kid, Carnell Tate, he has the length, he has incredible velcro hands. He doesn’t drop any passes. He blocks. He’s unselfish. He’s a tremendous route-runner. He’s NFL-ready to come in as a rookie. To me, for this football team in Cleveland, Shedeur Sanders made a lot of really good throws, some were dropped, they didn’t catch the football. Also, weather, he’s dealt with that at Ohio State and Columbus. For me, if he’s there at six, he’s a great pick for the Cleveland Browns,” Kiper said.

    If the Big Uglies upfront can't block AGAIN the Browns might want to consider a WR that gets open immediately at the line of scrimmage.  WRs that can change direction at the onset of a route can separate quickly enough for a QB sentenced to no time to throw. There's no disputing Carnell Tate's immense talent especially since many of us Ohio State fans have seen more of him than any other receiver in this draft.  That said, if you want to see Tate at his best downfield - it ain't gonna happen with the substandard OTackles this FO counted on the last 2 years.  Am I wrong saying the biggest concern right now is the inventory of brain cells in charge of getting the right OL personnel that can win in the trenches consistently enough for reliability?  

    @flugel said:

    If the Big Uglies upfront can't block AGAIN the Browns might want to consider a WR that gets open immediately at the line of scrimmage.  WRs that can change direction at the onset of a route can separate quickly enough for a QB sentenced to no time to throw. There's no disputing Carnell Tate's immense talent especially since many of us Ohio State fans have seen more of him than any other receiver in this draft.  That said, if you want to see Tate at his best downfield - it ain't gonna happen with the substandard OTackles this FO counted on the last 2 years.  Am I wrong saying the biggest concern right now is the inventory of brain cells in charge of getting the right OL personnel that can win in the trenches consistently enough for reliability?  

    One of the best OSU has produced making contested catches - that’s just about every NFL pass.  Had some amazing sideline toe taps.  Smooth route runner.   Probably not the suddenness explosiveness and top end speed like some of the other OSU greats.  Dare I say he was more reliable than J. Smith this past year.  High character. 
     

    If you made me take a WR at 6 I’d take Tate every time over Jaylen Tyson. But This class has good WR depth.

    BPA at 6 for me- and it is a defensive player.

    24 OT

    2nd round WR

    3rd round trade for OL

  • @flugel said:

    If the Big Uglies upfront can't block AGAIN the Browns might want to consider a WR that gets open immediately at the line of scrimmage.  WRs that can change direction at the onset of a route can separate quickly enough for a QB sentenced to no time to throw. There's no disputing Carnell Tate's immense talent especially since many of us Ohio State fans have seen more of him than any other receiver in this draft.  That said, if you want to see Tate at his best downfield - it ain't gonna happen with the substandard OTackles this FO counted on the last 2 years.  Am I wrong saying the biggest concern right now is the inventory of brain cells in charge of getting the right OL personnel that can win in the trenches consistently enough for reliability?  

    One of the best OSU has produced making contested catches - that’s just about every NFL pass.  Had some amazing sideline toe taps.  Smooth route runner.   Probably not the suddenness explosiveness and top end speed like some of the other OSU greats.  Dare I say he was more reliable than J. Smith this past year.  High character. 
     

    If you made me take a WR at 6 I’d take Tate every time over Jaylen Tyson. But This class has good WR depth.

    BPA at 6 for me- and it is a defensive player.

    24 OT

    2nd round WR

    3rd round trade for OL

    @sdbacker80 said:

    One of the best OSU has produced making contested catches - that’s just about every NFL pass.  Had some amazing sideline toe taps.  Smooth route runner.   Probably not the suddenness explosiveness and top end speed like some of the other OSU greats.  Dare I say he was more reliable than J. Smith this past year.  High character. 
     

    If you made me take a WR at 6 I’d take home every time of Jaylen Tyson.  This class has good WR depth.

    BPA at 6 for me- and it is a defensive player.

    24 OT

    2nd round WR

    Well said!  Yeah, ASU's Jordyn Tyson's highlights are fun to watch for sure!  I didn't think I'd ever see a Buckeye's WR track the deep ball better than then guy below. I was WRONG!

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    One of the best OSU has produced making contested catches - that’s just about every NFL pass.  Had some amazing sideline toe taps.  Smooth route runner.   Probably not the suddenness explosiveness and top end speed like some of the other OSU greats.  Dare I say he was more reliable than J. Smith this past year.  High character. 
     

    If you made me take a WR at 6 I’d take home every time of Jaylen Tyson.  This class has good WR depth.

    BPA at 6 for me- and it is a defensive player.

    24 OT

    2nd round WR

    Well said!  Yeah, ASU's Jordyn Tyson's highlights are fun to watch for sure!  I didn't think I'd ever see a Buckeye's WR track the deep ball better than then guy below. I was WRONG!

    @flugel said:

    Well said!  Yeah, ASU's Jordyn Tyson's highlights are fun to watch for sure!  I didn't think I'd ever see a Buckeye's WR track the deep ball better than then guy below. I was WRONG!

    I think he tore his knee up twice early in his career and for a 4.4 guy that’s no good.

    By all accounts Tate is not a 4.4 runner.  

  • Speaking of players most of us don't want the Browns to draft because they aren't a Tackle or Wide Receiver, Ohio State linebackers Arvell Reese and Sonny Styles both posted sub 4.5 forty yard dashes at the Combine. Styles posted the best vertical leap in Combine history for a LB. 

  • Speaking of players most of us don't want the Browns to draft because they aren't a Tackle or Wide Receiver, Ohio State linebackers Arvell Reese and Sonny Styles both posted sub 4.5 forty yard dashes at the Combine. Styles posted the best vertical leap in Combine history for a LB. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Speaking of players most of us don't want the Browns to draft because they aren't a Tackle or Wide Receiver, Ohio State linebackers Arvell Reese and Sonny Styles both posted sub 4.5 forty yard dashes at the Combine. Styles posted the best vertical leap in Combine history for a LB. 

    I saw it!  Tell you what Dutch - Dave's Insanity Sauce isn't even that HOT or INSANE.  For 1 of those guys - "Welcome to the Jets!"

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Speaking of players most of us don't want the Browns to draft because they aren't a Tackle or Wide Receiver, Ohio State linebackers Arvell Reese and Sonny Styles both posted sub 4.5 forty yard dashes at the Combine. Styles posted the best vertical leap in Combine history for a LB. 

    I saw it!  Tell you what Dutch - Dave's Insanity Sauce isn't even that HOT or INSANE.  For 1 of those guys - "Welcome to the Jets!"

    @flugel said:

    I saw it!  Tell you what Dutch - Dave's Insanity Sauce isn't even that HOT or INSANE.  For 1 of those guys - "Welcome to the Jets!"

    Just when it couldn't get any more outrageous - here comes Lo Styles Jr with an official 4.27.   I'm watching that eating cookie dough ice cream telling my wife "I love exercise - I could watch it all day."  

  • Browns might face impossible Arvell Reese decision

    The Browns hold two first-round picks in the 2026 draft, and they could use them to help their ailing offense. They desperately need at least one offensive tackle, and they could also use more help in the wide receiver corps.

    That said, this class is thin at most positions, and Reese is one of the few potential game-changers on the board.

    Again, he's projected to be gone in the top five, maybe even as high as No. 2, but we've seen crazy things happen. Multiple teams are fixated on Miami's Reuben Bain, and top offensive tackles Spencer Fano and Francis Mauigoa could also sneak their way into the top five. Also, with Caleb Downs as the most talented prospect in the class, someone might be tempted to jump the gun and trade up to get him.

    It's a long shot, but there's a world in which Reese could slip into the Browns' lap at No. 6, and it would be tough to pass on such a talented player. While listed as an outside linebacker, he actually played 286 of his snaps in the box last season.

    The Browns already have a budding superstar at linebacker in Carson Schwesinger, but Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah may never play again, and Devin Bush could leave in free agency. They also have the best player in the game in Myles Garrett, but adding someone who can line up on the outside or the inside, like Micah Parsons, could take this defense to a whole new level.

    Reese played in an NFL-style defense under defensive coordinator Matt Patricia. He can excel in coverage, go get the quarterback, or stack the run in the box. The Browns may not need another defensive first-round pick, but sometimes, it's impossible to pass on some guys when they're up for grabs.

     
  • The boys at the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show talk tackles, wide receivers and QBs for the Browns in the upcoming draft, post-Combine

  • I really love the idea of trading back somewhere between 9-12, picking up extra picks (specifically 2027 picks) and getting LT Caleb Lomu or Monroe Freeling. 

  • I really love the idea of trading back somewhere between 9-12, picking up extra picks (specifically 2027 picks) and getting LT Caleb Lomu or Monroe Freeling. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    or Monroe Freeling

    I watched him at the combine.  I like him.  

  • I don’t believe there is a tackle in this group worthy of a top 10 pick.  Road grader in the run game and capable on an island in pass protection.  Maybe you have a few Will Campbells that played well in certain areas and but still struggled a little. And  I’m not taking a future guard at 6 and I’d prefer a blindside protector in the top 10 although these teams move their ace (Myles Garrett) around like we do.

    You take your Will Campbell types at 24 not at 6.

  • I don’t believe there is a tackle in this group worthy of a top 10 pick.  Road grader in the run game and capable on an island in pass protection.  Maybe you have a few Will Campbells that played well in certain areas and but still struggled a little. And  I’m not taking a future guard at 6 and I’d prefer a blindside protector in the top 10 although these teams move their ace (Myles Garrett) around like we do.

    You take your Will Campbell types at 24 not at 6.

    @sdbacker80 said:

    I don’t believe there is a tackle in this group worthy of a top 10 pick.  Road grader in the run game and capable on an island in pass protection.  Maybe you have a few Will Campbells that played well in certain areas and but still struggled a little. And  I’m not taking a future guard at 6 and I’d prefer a blindside protector in the top 10 although these teams move their ace (Myles Garrett) around like we do.

    You take your Will Campbell types at 24 not at 6.

    Probably true ! Campbell had some serious weaknesses, most notably later movement, making his selection a big reach. Lomu and Fano do too, which is helping Monroe Freeling move up a lot of teams' draft boards. With the RT fa signing.... how cool would it be to trade down with Dallas, and have three first round picks?

    Here, a writer is talking Freeling with the sixth pick !

    https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/did-favorite-option-emerge-browns-110207733.html

  • I don’t believe there is a tackle in this group worthy of a top 10 pick.  Road grader in the run game and capable on an island in pass protection.  Maybe you have a few Will Campbells that played well in certain areas and but still struggled a little. And  I’m not taking a future guard at 6 and I’d prefer a blindside protector in the top 10 although these teams move their ace (Myles Garrett) around like we do.

    You take your Will Campbell types at 24 not at 6.

    @sdbacker80 said:

    I don’t believe there is a tackle in this group worthy of a top 10 pick.  Road grader in the run game and capable on an island in pass protection.  Maybe you have a few Will Campbells that played well in certain areas and but still struggled a little. And  I’m not taking a future guard at 6 and I’d prefer a blindside protector in the top 10 although these teams move their ace (Myles Garrett) around like we do.

    You take your Will Campbell types at 24 not at 6.

    There's a little difference between Lomu and Freeling and Campbell.

    Lomu and Freeling aren't considered elite LTackle prospects. I do think both have the ability to be above average starting LTs. 

    There was a lot of people predraft that thought Campbell wasn't even a LT but should play guard. The Pats took a guy high that a lot of people didn't even think would be a long-term LT. 

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    I don’t believe there is a tackle in this group worthy of a top 10 pick.  Road grader in the run game and capable on an island in pass protection.  Maybe you have a few Will Campbells that played well in certain areas and but still struggled a little. And  I’m not taking a future guard at 6 and I’d prefer a blindside protector in the top 10 although these teams move their ace (Myles Garrett) around like we do.

    You take your Will Campbell types at 24 not at 6.

    There's a little difference between Lomu and Freeling and Campbell.

    Lomu and Freeling aren't considered elite LTackle prospects. I do think both have the ability to be above average starting LTs. 

    There was a lot of people predraft that thought Campbell wasn't even a LT but should play guard. The Pats took a guy high that a lot of people didn't even think would be a long-term LT. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    The Pats took a guy hard that a lot of people didn't even think would be a long-term LT. 

    Myles had 6 sacks as I recall.

    Late next week is the start of FA.  What they're able to accomplish during FA will determine what they can do in the draft.  Ideally you'd like to be able to pick the BPA.  But for us, we've got vacancies on the OL and one of the worst WR groups in the league.  So if the object is to win more games, then those two areas absolutely need to be addressed.  We just traded a 5th round pick for on OLineman.  Great start!  We're going to want some veterans on the OL.  We certainly don't want to have to draft an entire OL.  I'd like to see FA bring us at least one more starting OLineman.  If we can also add a reliable WR then the draft might open up a bit for us.  

    We just got an early start to the draft by turning a 5th rounder into a starting OLineman.  And since he's a seasoned starter it's kind of an early start to FA also.

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    I don’t believe there is a tackle in this group worthy of a top 10 pick.  Road grader in the run game and capable on an island in pass protection.  Maybe you have a few Will Campbells that played well in certain areas and but still struggled a little. And  I’m not taking a future guard at 6 and I’d prefer a blindside protector in the top 10 although these teams move their ace (Myles Garrett) around like we do.

    You take your Will Campbell types at 24 not at 6.

    There's a little difference between Lomu and Freeling and Campbell.

    Lomu and Freeling aren't considered elite LTackle prospects. I do think both have the ability to be above average starting LTs. 

    There was a lot of people predraft that thought Campbell wasn't even a LT but should play guard. The Pats took a guy high that a lot of people didn't even think would be a long-term LT. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    There's a little difference between Lomu and Freeling and Campbell.

    Lomu and Freeling aren't considered elite LTackle prospects. I do think both have the ability to be above average starting LTs. 

    There was a lot of people predraft that thought Campbell wasn't even a LT but should play guard. The Pats took a guy high that a lot of people didn't even think would be a long-term LT. 

    Well said! Regardless of Left or Right Tackle - would a STUD like Blake Miller have been slated for UPPER Round 1 after just his soph year?  Probably not; BUT I could see him projected as a LATE 1st Round to anywhere in Round 2 or possibly early Round 3; so he stayed and completed 4 Years as a starter. That impresses me to no end.  A 4 year starter at a program like Clemson.  I wouldn't mind it 1 iota if we drafted him and kicked Tytus Howard inside to OG. 

    The point is I can see you understand Lomu isn't where he's gonna be.  That said, he's got tremendous footwork in pass pro on the edge.  He frustrates the hell out of edge rushers (1 after another) in the sense they can't shed him.  Why? His lateral footwork/base is VERY polished and smooth.  I watched a video where the narrator noticed was in aw of his placement which doesn't happen if his footwork is a mess.  I could tell he was never an OL but I enjoyed his presentation I can go back and find it if you want it.  The 1 thing he did say is that Lomu needs to add a little more power/strength/weight.  I LIKED that this guy sees what I see in him meaning this is all inevitable stuff a hard working guy like Lomu would have added at Utah if he stayed to complete the final 2 years of eligibility instead of entering the draft.  Remember, the draft isn't about what's in the rear view mirror - it's about what's ahead.  I'd be happy with Lomu or Freeling; but I think a mid-round run on OTs is going to have both gone before pick #24.

    If I'm wrong, Silly Goose Sours on Flugel...

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