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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

  • FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by

    @dutch-oven said:

    Knock it off!  I've been sleeping with the lights on ever since I saw this the 1st time...

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Knock it off!  I've been sleeping with the lights on ever since I saw this the 1st time...

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    @flugel said:

    Knock it off!  I've been sleeping with the lights on ever since I saw this the 1st time...

    McShay is the boggyman come to put "Freddie" Proctor in your worst nightmares.?

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

    ESPN proposed a trade for the Browns... I think this was actually what they proposed before, and I misunderstood it and made it much better for us. Not really a fan of this one, your thoughts?

    The Browns would trade to Dallas the #6, 24 and next years 5th rounder for the Cowboys #12, 20 and next year's 2nd rounder.

    While I like having more ammo for next years draft, we drop six picks from our original highest pick, go up four picks for our second first rounder to get a second rounder next year. Plus we lose a fifth rounder in the process.

    eh.... 

  • ESPN proposed a trade for the Browns... I think this was actually what they proposed before, and I misunderstood it and made it much better for us. Not really a fan of this one, your thoughts?

    The Browns would trade to Dallas the #6, 24 and next years 5th rounder for the Cowboys #12, 20 and next year's 2nd rounder.

    While I like having more ammo for next years draft, we drop six picks from our original highest pick, go up four picks for our second first rounder to get a second rounder next year. Plus we lose a fifth rounder in the process.

    eh.... 

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by

    @dutch-oven said:

    ESPN proposed a trade for the Browns... I think this was actually what they proposed before, and I misunderstood it and made it much better for us. Not really a fan of this one, your thoughts?

    The Browns would trade to Dallas the #6, 24 and next years 5th rounder for the Cowboys #12, 20 and next year's 2nd rounder.

    While I like having more ammo for next years draft, we drop six picks from our original highest pick, go up four picks for our second first rounder to get a second rounder next year. Plus we lose a fifth rounder in the process.

    eh.... 

    6 and 24 for

    12 and 20   3rd this season and a 2nd next season.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    ESPN proposed a trade for the Browns... I think this was actually what they proposed before, and I misunderstood it and made it much better for us. Not really a fan of this one, your thoughts?

    The Browns would trade to Dallas the #6, 24 and next years 5th rounder for the Cowboys #12, 20 and next year's 2nd rounder.

    While I like having more ammo for next years draft, we drop six picks from our original highest pick, go up four picks for our second first rounder to get a second rounder next year. Plus we lose a fifth rounder in the process.

    eh.... 

    6 and 24 for

    12 and 20   3rd this season and a 2nd next season.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

    @sdbacker80 said:

    6 and 24 for

    12 and 20   3rd this season and a 2nd next season.

    I literally was going to suggest this exact counter proposal… get out of my head, SD! ?

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    6 and 24 for

    12 and 20   3rd this season and a 2nd next season.

    I literally was going to suggest this exact counter proposal… get out of my head, SD! ?

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by SdBacker80

    @dutch-oven said:

    I literally was going to suggest this exact counter proposal… get out of my head, SD! ?

    another reason why I’m adamant about maximizing our second best asset this #6 pick and not just picking a guy we need there that isn’t necessarily elite you can entertain offers like this.  
     

    That proposal is close on the Johnson and the Hill chart.  It favors us slightly. 
    These kind of trades you also have to figure in Which team is more motivated? Dallas would be moving up to get an elite defender and certainly one that they can’t get at 12. 

    1. OT, 1. WR, 2. CB 3. WR 3. C

    Line addressed, two WRs and a much needed third corner.  Check Check Check.  
     

    And then next season 1, 2, 2, 2028 #1.  Who says no to trade package from us to get a top QB in 2027.
     

  • ESPN proposed a trade for the Browns... I think this was actually what they proposed before, and I misunderstood it and made it much better for us. Not really a fan of this one, your thoughts?

    The Browns would trade to Dallas the #6, 24 and next years 5th rounder for the Cowboys #12, 20 and next year's 2nd rounder.

    While I like having more ammo for next years draft, we drop six picks from our original highest pick, go up four picks for our second first rounder to get a second rounder next year. Plus we lose a fifth rounder in the process.

    eh.... 

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by

    @dutch-oven said:

    The Browns would trade to Dallas the #6, 24 and next years 5th rounder for the Cowboys #12, 20 and next year's 2nd rounder.

    I might do that trade.  But if I was a Cowboy fan I wouldn't want a '27 second round pick to evaporate.

    I'm still going with us not being able to move out of #6.

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by

    You know, I've focused so much on tackles that I think are legit Left Tackles in the NFL.

    We still have the GM who took a college RT in Jed Wills to play LT for us.

    All the top tackles could very well be in play. 

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  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73

    Pro Days ending with updated prospect info...

    • T Francis Mauigoa (PFF Predictive Big Board Rank: 7)
      • 40-yard dash: 5.12 seconds
      • 10-yard split: 1.78 seconds
      • Vertical jump: 29 inches
      • Broad jump: 8 feet, 10 inches
      • Short shuttle: 4.59 seconds
      • Three cone: 7.70 seconds

    Link here-- https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2026-nfl-draft-pro-day-schedule-results-tracker

  • You know, I've focused so much on tackles that I think are legit Left Tackles in the NFL.

    We still have the GM who took a college RT in Jed Wills to play LT for us.

    All the top tackles could very well be in play. 

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by

    @dutch-oven said:

    You know, I've focused so much on tackles that I think are legit Left Tackles in the NFL.

    We still have the GM who took a college RT in Jed Wills to play LT for us.

    All the top tackles could very well be in play. 

    GREAT point!  He took Wills at #11 overall while joining a pretty big crowd of well paid pre-draft analysts that refused to look at what jumped out of Tristan Wirfs' inner chest at Iowa.  It's called WORK ETHIC and all it takes to find this out is merely asking the HC (and former Browns OL Coach Kirk Ferentz) what's Wirfs' essential ingredient to success?  Tampa knew which is why they ended up with the OTackle in that draft class that could make Pro Bowls at RT before making Pro Bowls at LT.

    This prolly sounds like a lot of overcaffeinated jibberish about asking a College Coach about a player; but an Oklahoma State Coach once said "I was surprised the Browns weren't interested in asking any of our staff questions about Justin Gilbert regarding his character and work ethic."  He added something along the line of "we could have helped them avoid wasting this 1st round choice.

    If Andrew Berry has not improved his ability to draft a reliable LT - I dare say it's hard for me to imagine him ever being capable of building the competitive offense of a contender.  Look, I WANT Berry to succeed for us to be able to enjoy our team.  It's finally put up or fed up time.

    As tempting as Fano is - I'm gonna do the unpopular and go with Lomu as my guy at #6 and the best W on our doorstep at #24. 

  • Pro Days ending with updated prospect info...

    • T Francis Mauigoa (PFF Predictive Big Board Rank: 7)
      • 40-yard dash: 5.12 seconds
      • 10-yard split: 1.78 seconds
      • Vertical jump: 29 inches
      • Broad jump: 8 feet, 10 inches
      • Short shuttle: 4.59 seconds
      • Three cone: 7.70 seconds

    Link here-- https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2026-nfl-draft-pro-day-schedule-results-tracker

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by

    @gumby73 said:

    Pro Days ending with updated prospect info...

    • T Francis Mauigoa (PFF Predictive Big Board Rank: 7)
      • 40-yard dash: 5.12 seconds
      • 10-yard split: 1.78 seconds
      • Vertical jump: 29 inches
      • Broad jump: 8 feet, 10 inches
      • Short shuttle: 4.59 seconds
      • Three cone: 7.70 seconds

    Link here-- https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2026-nfl-draft-pro-day-schedule-results-tracker

    He's probably gonna be a great RT or OG for whoever drafts him Gumbs!   

  • @dutch-oven said:

    You know, I've focused so much on tackles that I think are legit Left Tackles in the NFL.

    We still have the GM who took a college RT in Jed Wills to play LT for us.

    All the top tackles could very well be in play. 

    GREAT point!  He took Wills at #11 overall while joining a pretty big crowd of well paid pre-draft analysts that refused to look at what jumped out of Tristan Wirfs' inner chest at Iowa.  It's called WORK ETHIC and all it takes to find this out is merely asking the HC (and former Browns OL Coach Kirk Ferentz) what's Wirfs' essential ingredient to success?  Tampa knew which is why they ended up with the OTackle in that draft class that could make Pro Bowls at RT before making Pro Bowls at LT.

    This prolly sounds like a lot of overcaffeinated jibberish about asking a College Coach about a player; but an Oklahoma State Coach once said "I was surprised the Browns weren't interested in asking any of our staff questions about Justin Gilbert regarding his character and work ethic."  He added something along the line of "we could have helped them avoid wasting this 1st round choice.

    If Andrew Berry has not improved his ability to draft a reliable LT - I dare say it's hard for me to imagine him ever being capable of building the competitive offense of a contender.  Look, I WANT Berry to succeed for us to be able to enjoy our team.  It's finally put up or fed up time.

    As tempting as Fano is - I'm gonna do the unpopular and go with Lomu as my guy at #6 and the best W on our doorstep at #24. 

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by

    @flugel said:

    GREAT point!  He took Wills at #11 overall while joining a pretty big crowd of well paid pre-draft analysts that refused to look at what jumped out of Tristan Wirfs' inner chest at Iowa.  It's called WORK ETHIC and all it takes to find this out is merely asking the HC (and former Browns OL Coach Kirk Ferentz) what's Wirfs' essential ingredient to success?  Tampa knew which is why they ended up with the OTackle in that draft class that could make Pro Bowls at RT before making Pro Bowls at LT.

    This prolly sounds like a lot of overcaffeinated jibberish about asking a College Coach about a player; but an Oklahoma State Coach once said "I was surprised the Browns weren't interested in asking any of our staff questions about Justin Gilbert regarding his character and work ethic."  He added something along the line of "we could have helped them avoid wasting this 1st round choice.

    If Andrew Berry has not improved his ability to draft a reliable LT - I dare say it's hard for me to imagine him ever being capable of building the competitive offense of a contender.  Look, I WANT Berry to succeed for us to be able to enjoy our team.  It's finally put up or fed up time.

    As tempting as Fano is - I'm gonna do the unpopular and go with Lomu as my guy at #6 and the best W on our doorstep at #24. 


    I don’t think Berry drafted Gilbert but I get your point. 

    But I’ve given the thought that maybe he should give up drafting the WR and OL positions and turn over picks for guys like Wyatt Teller, Amari Cooper, etc.  

    I want nothing to do with Lomu at 6.  If we like him….i would be working the phones with everyone from 7-15. And it wouldn’t shock be if he was available at 24 

  • @flugel said:

    GREAT point!  He took Wills at #11 overall while joining a pretty big crowd of well paid pre-draft analysts that refused to look at what jumped out of Tristan Wirfs' inner chest at Iowa.  It's called WORK ETHIC and all it takes to find this out is merely asking the HC (and former Browns OL Coach Kirk Ferentz) what's Wirfs' essential ingredient to success?  Tampa knew which is why they ended up with the OTackle in that draft class that could make Pro Bowls at RT before making Pro Bowls at LT.

    This prolly sounds like a lot of overcaffeinated jibberish about asking a College Coach about a player; but an Oklahoma State Coach once said "I was surprised the Browns weren't interested in asking any of our staff questions about Justin Gilbert regarding his character and work ethic."  He added something along the line of "we could have helped them avoid wasting this 1st round choice.

    If Andrew Berry has not improved his ability to draft a reliable LT - I dare say it's hard for me to imagine him ever being capable of building the competitive offense of a contender.  Look, I WANT Berry to succeed for us to be able to enjoy our team.  It's finally put up or fed up time.

    As tempting as Fano is - I'm gonna do the unpopular and go with Lomu as my guy at #6 and the best W on our doorstep at #24. 


    I don’t think Berry drafted Gilbert but I get your point. 

    But I’ve given the thought that maybe he should give up drafting the WR and OL positions and turn over picks for guys like Wyatt Teller, Amari Cooper, etc.  

    I want nothing to do with Lomu at 6.  If we like him….i would be working the phones with everyone from 7-15. And it wouldn’t shock be if he was available at 24 

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by

    @sdbacker80 said:


    I don’t think Berry drafted Gilbert but I get your point. 

    But I’ve given the thought that maybe he should give up drafting the WR and OL positions and turn over picks for guys like Wyatt Teller, Amari Cooper, etc.  

    I want nothing to do with Lomu at 6.  If we like him….i would be working the phones with everyone from 7-15. And it wouldn’t shock be if he was available at 24 

    Yeah, like I said - I didn't think he would be popular at #6; and I understand people feeling that's a reach right now.  If he decided to come out next year as a Red Shirt Junior giving up ZERO sacks again or the year after - he'll be top 5 though. 

    If we find out we still don't have a QB - it's going to remind us we wasted all 10 Pro Bowl Seasons of a HOF LT on an inability to draft a good QB.  Meaning?  We can all debate on different guys we all think we need most; but what will it ever matter without a legit NFL passing game? We've had QBs with 2 blind sides...

  • @flugel said:

    GREAT point!  He took Wills at #11 overall while joining a pretty big crowd of well paid pre-draft analysts that refused to look at what jumped out of Tristan Wirfs' inner chest at Iowa.  It's called WORK ETHIC and all it takes to find this out is merely asking the HC (and former Browns OL Coach Kirk Ferentz) what's Wirfs' essential ingredient to success?  Tampa knew which is why they ended up with the OTackle in that draft class that could make Pro Bowls at RT before making Pro Bowls at LT.

    This prolly sounds like a lot of overcaffeinated jibberish about asking a College Coach about a player; but an Oklahoma State Coach once said "I was surprised the Browns weren't interested in asking any of our staff questions about Justin Gilbert regarding his character and work ethic."  He added something along the line of "we could have helped them avoid wasting this 1st round choice.

    If Andrew Berry has not improved his ability to draft a reliable LT - I dare say it's hard for me to imagine him ever being capable of building the competitive offense of a contender.  Look, I WANT Berry to succeed for us to be able to enjoy our team.  It's finally put up or fed up time.

    As tempting as Fano is - I'm gonna do the unpopular and go with Lomu as my guy at #6 and the best W on our doorstep at #24. 


    I don’t think Berry drafted Gilbert but I get your point. 

    But I’ve given the thought that maybe he should give up drafting the WR and OL positions and turn over picks for guys like Wyatt Teller, Amari Cooper, etc.  

    I want nothing to do with Lomu at 6.  If we like him….i would be working the phones with everyone from 7-15. And it wouldn’t shock be if he was available at 24 

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by

    @sdbacker80 said:

    I want nothing to do with Lomu at 6.  If we like him….i would be working the phones with everyone from 7-15. And it wouldn’t shock be if he was available at 24

    I don't think that he makes it to 24.  But that doesn't mean that we should take him at 6.  And some people are talking about us liking Proctor at 6.  I think Lomu is better than Proctor.  

  • OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by Orion

    Fano played in 37 career games over three seasons at Utah and earned 35 starts, including 11 at left tackle and 24 at right tackle. Fano played 822 offensive snaps during the 2025 season and allowed only five pressures in pass protection – including zero sacks and zero hits to opposing pass rushers, according to PFF.

    "Over 37 college games he's logged experience on both the left and right sides, which is exactly the kind of positional versatility that NFL teams covet," Frelund said. "His run blocking is equally impressive, ranking in the top 95th percentile in both pass and run plays among all tackles last season. The floor here is very high."

    Freeling spent three seasons at Georgia and appeared in 35 career games. He started 13 of 14 games played during the 2025 season and anchored an offensive line that ranked sixth in the SEC in scoring offense (32.07) and fifth total offense (402.4). Freeling took 739 offensive snaps at left tackle during the 2025 season and totaled just one sack allowed and five total pressures in pass protection, according to PFF.

    "Georgia's Monroe Freeling is a high-upside left tackle prospect," Frelund said. "The Browns may not be able to afford to wait until pick 24 to find out if he's available. At 6-foot-7 and 315 pounds, his film improved as the 2025 season progressed, and I'm told he was working through injuries early on. Even accounting for that, he played nearly 750 snaps and allowed just five pressures in pass protection, surrendering only one sack and zero QB hits. When you consider that production came while he wasn't fully healthy, the ceiling on Freeling becomes a very compelling conversation."f the Browns use their first-round picks on other positions, or want to add depth in later rounds, 

    Bell played two seasons at Miami in 2024 and 2025 after transferring from Holmes Community College where he spent the first two years of his collegiate career. While in Miami, Bell played in 28 career games. He totaled 826 offensive snaps during the 2025 season, and allowed nine total pressures in pass protection including zero sacks and one quarterback hit, according to PFF.

    "Miami's Markel Bell is an intriguing option that could pay big dividends, and I mean big in every sense of the word because at 6-foot-9 and 347 pounds, Bell is a genuinely rare physical specimen," Frelund said. "He ranks no lower than the 96th percentile among all draft prospects measured since 1999 across height, weight, arm length and wingspan. Over 826 snaps last season, he allowed just nine total pressures with zero sacks and only one QB hit. The measurables are massive and the production is intriguing."

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