McDonald BENCHED
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@.mz said:
I have no choice but to "wait until Monday." Sunday, really, but who's counting?Seems like you think I'm the only one who thinks playing a safety at CB when there are other viable corners on the roster is weird. I doubt I am.
I'm sure you'r not the only one but started to talk shit about Mangini like you know something he doesn't about his team. I guess it's a pet-peeve of mine when fans of bad teams can't determine the teams issues and so default to blaming the coaches. It just inaccurately over-simplifies the situation. And, when enough people think this way, I have to hear FIRE THE COACH everywhere I go instead of having an actual conversation about what's actually going on.
Sweet Jesus. Then perhaps you can tell me what you meant by this...
I guess that secondary is being built for the past, then. Not the future.
We were talking about the draft and you think it was a complete disaster. All I was saying is that it was as good as it could have been when you take into consideration team needs, draft value, and draft quality. And so, we took a DB because we needed one, not because he's the second coming of Everson Walls. And still, I want to know how, by drafting the guys you wanted, we will be better in 3 years? Because I can almost gaurantee that if we would follow your model we would be neglecting other key team needs and never improve. Which, is what we have been doing up into this point. For example, if we followed your model and didn't draft WRs in the second round. Next year when Braylon is gone or even if he stays we would either be starting one or two rookies (ie; Kevin Johnson, Quincy Morgan) on the outsides or starting one or two scrap-heap FAs (ie;Furry and Patten). Then, we would still be looking for an offense and be right back where we started. But we would have some good young LBs who will be on the field way too long on Sundays getting burnt at the end of games and adding to our loss column. And so, a wasted draft and another bad year. At least now we have two guys with loads of potential getting acclimated to the league and the system therefore will be ready on day 1 of next year. Or maybe even by the middle of this year. And that, by definition, is drafting for the future.
I get the impression that when somebody has a different opinion than you and it actually makes sense, you get angry instead of mulling it over and coming to a conclusion.
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didn't see that one coming.
why Adams and not Coye Francies
Yeah good question adams cant cut it as a starting cb why not give francies the shot of a lifetime?
Manfooli has done it again he just keeps showing us his football savvy and resolve we will loose this game the jerk has got to be fired!
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Are you serious?
BMac is better than Wright
Are you serious?
BMac is better than Wright
are you on crack?
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If a guy is not performing you bench him.. it does not mean he will never see the field again.. I stil think he can be pretty good. As for the replacement.. I gotta trust the guys that actually watch practice every day instead of the guys who start at computer screens and tv's like us.
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Guess I wasn't the only one who thought he sucked last week. Seems like someone called me out for a better description other than he sucked. Maybe he is injured but he did not look good last week
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I guess Mangini is hoping to recreate the 2007 Bungles game magic. The rationale being that if Carson Palmer heaves 6 TDs all over Mike Adams dumb face, then Derek Aneurysm has no choice but to at least throw 5, right?
Go skate into an AIDS tree, Mangini.
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lets hope it brings at least some physicality to the 2nd corner position on this team. obv. he puts him there for a reason, lets see how he and DA does before we flame at Mangini any more.
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B-Mac is a nber, even I know that. Who knows what are who replaces him, but he still isn't starting. The inability of people to "get it" amazes me. They just whine and cry.
Savageites facing reality isn't nice.
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Adams is one of the most underrated players on the Browns....good to see him getting a shot.
I spent quite a few days watching the db's at training camp and he impressed me more than anyone.. just my 2 cents.
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@shepwrite said:
McDonald has been burnt toast all year. Really dreadful. Same thing happened last year and then he came back strong. But he's a ways from his rookie year now and should be on an ascent, not the other way around.God, we suck. Players I still like: Abe Elam, Kam Wimbley, D'Qwell Jackson (not as much as last year), and Jerome Harrison. I'm sick of hearing how great our nose tackle is, given that we can't stop the run.
Rodgers can't make every tackle by himself, especially when he's double teamed. Wanna know what blows? DE, and our OLBs. Wimbley ain't exactly been reminding me of Chip Banks lately. Jackson? Sheeze, it's been so long the Browns have had a decent ILB, I'm afraid you forgot what one looks like. Where's Michael Dean Perry when you need him?
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didn't see that one coming.
why Adams and not Coye Francies
First sensible thing you've come up with in a long time. Adams will get toasted by Chris Henry. The guy is not a CB.
Mangini may set a record for shortest tenure as a Browns Head coach. A 30 point blowout by Da Bungles (I'm predicting it) may land him on the unemployment line come Monday.
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@.mz said:
Blargh. Your logic is very hard to follow. And it isn't because I'm slow...it's because you're all over the map.We took Kevin Johnson AND Quincy Morgan in the second round this year, instead of waiting for this coming draft (hey, foresight counts!) and selecting from the talent-rich pool we'd have available to us then. That's a blunder. We passed on any number of solid O-linemen and LB's for those two guys and also to take a chance on a LB Mangini "feels" he can convert (Veikune)...essentially a round 2 project. Since you are crediting him with all of the personnel decisions in NY, how did his "conversion" of Gholston go? Fcuking Robiskie doesn't even DRESS, let alone play...
Again, I UNDERSTAND WHAT DRAFTING FOR THE FUTURE IS. But wouldn't you like to see SOME impact from those round two guys year one? Isn't that what gives you a modicum of insight into what they'll have to offer with more seasoning???
Nah.
Only when they make no sense...
I would like to see some impact from all of our draft picks but I also understand how all of this works and so I may be a little more patient than you with rookies. And we could have waited until next year to draft WRs but doing it this way, we will have two ready to go on opening day of next year, without having to overpay for a 1st round WR project. And we'll have draft picks for other areas of need. Look, Braylon is 99% gone next year. Would you really want to see two rookie WRs on the outside or don't you think you'll feel better seeing two 2nd year guys out there and a shiny new rookie or two starting on defense?
Also, I know that if this were my team, I wouldn't want to have a bunch of rookies on the field with a bunch of bad players that are learning an entirely new system for the first time. You wait until EVERYBODY is ready for rookies to step in. It's not like a video game man. Rookies can't step into a bad team and save the day. You must wait until the system is in place and everybody is on the same page or else you're just wasting everybody's time. You start rookies too soon when you want to win RIGHT NOW. And you know what? When you make that move, you win never.
Dude, we're all pissed about what is on the field right now but you have to keep it in perspective. Second guessing EVERY move is just frustration turned nay-saying. It really hase no base. I guess I just don't like everybody jumping ship and out to lynch the new regime WAAAY to prematurely. Again, this is what rebuilding looks like.
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TheJokersWILD said:
I am so sick of this team, just be glad I am not the coach because I would cut all 53 players at the end of the year
What next? we gonna bench Dqwell Jackson? How about Shaun Rogers? [edit] I thought the whole idea of football was to play the best players you have? Mike Adams better than Bmac at corner?He may not cut all 53 but you can bet about 25 will be 3rd string somewhere else next year.
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What about Pool???
Pool, IMO, is the worst player on our 22-man roster ... and Adams happens to play his position.
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What about Pool???
Pool, IMO, is the worst player on our 22-man roster ... and Adams happens to play his position.
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@.mz said:
Mqassaquoi has two catches and Robiskie doesn't dress. How is this usage preparing them for next year, when you feel they'd be more ready to contribute? At this rate, they'll essentially be rookies next year, too.Instead of getting these two guys valuable experience, we use a KR and a journeyman in their stead.
Someone tell me how this makes sense on an ubershitty team.
I'm with you on Cribbs. I caught so much shit for laughing at the idea of Cribbs at WR. The guy is a straight ahead runner, I just couldn't see how he could run routes effectively at this point in his career. And some people even suggested RB or CB!? It's a bad move. My theory is that is since we have so little talent maybe they wanted to get their best athelete out there and try and make something happen. Time to end that project.
And I do think if the rookies are any good at all we will see them towards the end of the year or sooner if the guys in front of them don't start producing. Now, we have a new QB. If that doesn't spark something I'm sure the next move will be some new faces on the field. It's just that playing unprepared or non-productive rookies over servicable starters is a give-up move. players have a hard time playing for a coach that has given up. Especially if the guy that gets put in hasn't done jack in practice or in a game. That's a tough move to sell to the team.
And you really do get better when you sit as a rookie. You learn to read coverages, you learn defenders' habits and weaknesses, you learn your QBs tendencies, you learn rythm, you grow over-all more comfortable with your surroundings, and you earn the rest of the team's trust. All the while, you are still practicing everyday and working on your technique. You really try to avoid playing rookies at all costs. It changes the entire dynamic of the team and changes the focus of the coaches. Only if your rookie has earned respect and trust from the players and coaches do you throw them in there. No sooner than that. So, we have to assume that the rookies aren't winning any of those battles in practice.
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@.mz said:
Mqassaquoi has two catches and Robiskie doesn't dress. How is this usage preparing them for next year, when you feel they'd be more ready to contribute? At this rate, they'll essentially be rookies next year, too.Instead of getting these two guys valuable experience, we use a KR and a journeyman in their stead.
Someone tell me how this makes sense on an ubershitty team.
No way man...but has mangini made any sense on anything he has done so far?
We need those rookies to get experience like you said they will still be rooks next year but under this regime we will suck next year and 3 years later until lerner gets off his sorry ass and fires em...some coaches got it some dont mangini obviously doesnt have it he is out of his small mind league upon inheriting clevelands mess...
We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS! -
The greatest thing about this board is how you let the media suck you in and then you run crazy with it......LOL
Dispite what Mary Kay Grossi says or hints to, I was at practice this week and Adams wasn't playing a traditional corner position. McDonald is being given a wakeup call and his slot was filled a bunch of different ways. First they ran man up and over the top coverage with Pool covering short and Adams covering long. They also used Francies more in base defense but Poteat got a lot of time on the outside. Wright may end up on an island when they have 3 safties in the game.
Before you have the big one, Poteat does just fine in a zone cover two he just doesn't have the quickness to cover the slot receiver.
So, before you have one of those classic knee jerk reactions, Adams wasn't playing CB. He will be getting a lot more playing time but he isn't going to be lining up on the outside covering #85. He's being used more in dime situations where they are know taking a LB out and playing 3 safties and 2 corners. And, one of those corners was McDonald.
Before everybody goes nuts watch the game first and what you will see is a few new wrinkles by Ryan which will be more like a Steelers zone blitz scheme. Poole and Adams will be in the cover two to stop those big plays and Elam will be in the box for run support. Also, Poteat will line up at CB but always have help over the top, Wright will be on an island.
To be fair, reading the article, they do twist the situation a bit. They say McDonald may be benched but he will play in certain situations and they say Adams will play more, but they really don't say Adams is replacing McDonald at CB. They worked on about 6 different personnel groups for this game and I would guess that they really want to confuse Palmer with different looks and personnel in the game.
I think you will see Elam or another safety blitzing alot with zone coverage behind them. You'll see pressure from the outside and not up the middle. On a given series watch for both OLBs to be playing on the same side as the TE with a safety standing outside them. If Palmer doesn't check into a run, then he will get some serious heat. Sometimes they brought all 3 guys and sometimes they dropped one back into coverage.
MY main point was before all the WTF's about Adams playing corner, that isn't the case. They will get him into the game more and McDonald will not be seeing the field as a starter at corner but he will play but there will be some very different looks. some with only one traditional corner in the game. That will try to get Palmer to throw into a cover three.
So relax and don't get sucked in by Mary Kay who probably couldn't tell you what they were trying to do. All see knew is that McDonald wasn't involved as much as normal. You aren't going to see McDonald covering #85 withou help over the top. It looks like they are going to try to bump him at the line on just about every play.
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