The Official Preseason Browns vs Bears Game Thread
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So far pass defense looks very iffy. QB getting way too much time to throw. MG spoiled us. And just as I typed that we got to the QB.
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Beat for a TD on a dagger concept (looks like dagger, it's CHI after all and Ben Johnson LOVES dagger) middle field safety looks like he was in a zone replace and just got beat on the route - BAD.
Beyond that, 2nd and 3rd level haven't been too bad.
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Beat for a TD on a dagger concept (looks like dagger, it's CHI after all and Ben Johnson LOVES dagger) middle field safety looks like he was in a zone replace and just got beat on the route - BAD.
Beyond that, 2nd and 3rd level haven't been too bad.
Beat for a TD on a dagger concept (looks like dagger, it's CHI after all and Ben Johnson LOVES dagger) middle field safety looks like he was in a zone replace and just got beat on the route - BAD.
Beyond that, 2nd and 3rd level haven't been too bad.
If you know Johnson loves the dagger, then why don't the Browns defensive coaches know that and what do they do to defend against it?
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Beat for a TD on a dagger concept (looks like dagger, it's CHI after all and Ben Johnson LOVES dagger) middle field safety looks like he was in a zone replace and just got beat on the route - BAD.
Beyond that, 2nd and 3rd level haven't been too bad.
If you know Johnson loves the dagger, then why don't the Browns defensive coaches know that and what do they do to defend against it?
If you know Johnson loves the dagger, then why don't the Browns defensive coaches know that and what do they do to defend against it?
Good question - I'm taking an educated guess because you never fully know until the all-22 is out. A middle-field replacement in cover 3 drives down on the dig route, the problem now because can your defense out-execute the offenses bread & butter? Especially in *most cover 3's where the hi safety has serious depth.
The popular defensive adjustment in the NFC North last year was to run inverted cover 2 or 3 'cheat'. To that high safety, which can look like cover 3 and muddles a QB's read on depth, is now the post safety in cover 2. This means his assignment drives him closer to the LoS and he can match the route easier. That said, even if you get your players in place, they still need to make the plays.
#41 is Chris Edmonds and will likely be cut after today. He was beat across his face and failed to executed.
A visual representation of some of the defensive designs I've mentioned, with pretty arrows and videos.
RunThe9@tjRT9sZone replace rep from #ATL DEF
- Both corners using 'vision'
- LCB rides hash & matches vertical
- RCB replaces Post safety off #1 breaking positive
- Post safety cuts the Over.
#dirtybirds
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Welp, all the problems from training camp.
QB processing speed
IDL Depth
Pass rush 2nd string
All showed up in full force today.
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I am a bit irritated with Monken not calling time out at the end. Maybe he saw the game as over and a score would be meaningless but I doubt the players on the field felt that way. It's a friggen preseason game. Why not get in the work?
Poor coaching decision IMO. If the coach packs it in he has no business telling his players to give it their all.
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#4 looked as about what you would expect from a guy who has not played a down for a very long time, he looked confused a few times but over all should receive a decent grade for todays game, the fumble he lost I believe we had some back ups playing on the line, but still no excuse (hold on to the damn ball) special teams ? night and day from last year, penalties we had the one false start with the ones and the tripping penalty ? from what i saw just looked like a normal collision, on D evens look ed like crap while coates is making a statement for a roster spot
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I am a bit irritated with Monken not calling time out at the end. Maybe he saw the game as over and a score would be meaningless but I doubt the players on the field felt that way. It's a friggen preseason game. Why not get in the work?
Poor coaching decision IMO. If the coach packs it in he has no business telling his players to give it their all.
I am a bit irritated with Monken not calling time out at the end. Maybe he saw the game as over and a score would be meaningless but I doubt the players on the field felt that way. It's a friggen preseason game. Why not get in the work?
Poor coaching decision IMO. If the coach packs it in he has no business telling his players to give it their all.
no one got hurt today which is nice and for a last play ? with gabrial at qb, pppfffttttt
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#4 looked as about what you would expect from a guy who has not played a down for a very long time, he looked confused a few times but over all should receive a decent grade for todays game, the fumble he lost I believe we had some back ups playing on the line, but still no excuse (hold on to the damn ball) special teams ? night and day from last year, penalties we had the one false start with the ones and the tripping penalty ? from what i saw just looked like a normal collision, on D evens look ed like crap while coates is making a statement for a roster spot
#4 looked as about what you would expect from a guy who has not played a down for a very long time, he looked confused a few times but over all should receive a decent grade for todays game, the fumble he lost I believe we had some back ups playing on the line, but still no excuse (hold on to the damn ball) special teams ? night and day from last year, penalties we had the one false start with the ones and the tripping penalty ? from what i saw just looked like a normal collision, on D evens look ed like crap while coates is making a statement for a roster s
no one got hurt today which is nice and for a last play ? with gabrial at qb, pppfffttttt
Sorry you guys don't get it. The more I think about this I am more of the opinion we don't have a very good coach. It's not about who is in or what the score was, it was about sending the right message to the players. I don't want a coach who quits on his players. I am not saying he should be fired or anything like that, but that was just chickenshit.
If you don't get it, that's your problem, not mine.
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Nice return by KC and his Sunshine Band
A shoestring away from a TD.
A shoestring away from a TD.
PR - is a spot we really need to upgrade and KC is quite the upgrade over Larvadain. That said, I hope he can break more pinky tackles than his 0 for 1 is projecting. All kidding aside, if anyone doubts how fast he can get to the fear gear after watching yesterday - Flugel's can of frozen orange juice has a message for you: "CONCENTRATE"...
The following sentence is just me being a knuckleheaded fan with a lot of short term memory cells that were enjoying retirement and stupid juice out of a 40 ounce frosted mug that we have a new offensive minded HC. Understanding Carson Beck was the 1st pick of the 3rd Round at #65 overall - WHY didn't the Browns draft Carson Beck at #58 overall in Round 2? I know this comes from a knucklehead that has posted more than once how much I love the EM-W selection there; but right now the QB position here (almost 3 decades after getting the team back in 99) looks like a sail boat journey without any sails once they've removed the wind.
Yes, I understand we have TWO 1st round picks in 2027 just like I remember the Browns starting the 2025 Draft with the 2nd pick overall. If we can't ever draft the right QB - the type of offensive football we're looking at from this team ain't changing very much from year to year. 99 was 27 years ago. The Browns wasted the entire career of Joe Thomas without ever giving this team a QB that could fequently lead this team to the playoffs. In fact, the closest Thomas eve came to the playoffs was a 10-6 record his rookie year.
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Deshaun Watson in the first half vs. the Bears:
18 dropbacks
11/15 (73.3% completion rate)
129 passing yards (4 rushing yards)
98.2 passer rating
Sacked once (one lost fumble)
2.75s avg. time to throw
4.4 air yards per attempt
Deshaun Watson in the first half vs. the Bears:
18 dropbacks
11/15 (73.3% completion rate)
129 passing yards (4 rushing yards)
98.2 passer rating
Sacked once (one lost fumble)
2.75s avg. time to throw
4.4 air yards per attempt
Not impressed!
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
#1 looked damn good today, I wonder if he will also be our full time punt returner
>Well for 2027 just remember the name Terry Bussey, Jr if he decides to come out. Just as athletic, fast and very good hands of WR/PR/KR who can take a hit even better than KC. I think he will be a key player for the A&M offense this year because he can play every position out of the backfield or as WR. He''ll do that kind of end around play you saw from KC and is the replacement for KO and Punt returns.
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#4 looked as about what you would expect from a guy who has not played a down for a very long time, he looked confused a few times but over all should receive a decent grade for todays game, the fumble he lost I believe we had some back ups playing on the line, but still no excuse (hold on to the damn ball) special teams ? night and day from last year, penalties we had the one false start with the ones and the tripping penalty ? from what i saw just looked like a normal collision, on D evens look ed like crap while coates is making a statement for a roster s
no one got hurt today which is nice and for a last play ? with gabrial at qb, pppfffttttt
Sorry you guys don't get it. The more I think about this I am more of the opinion we don't have a very good coach. It's not about who is in or what the score was, it was about sending the right message to the players. I don't want a coach who quits on his players. I am not saying he should be fired or anything like that, but that was just chickenshit.
If you don't get it, that's your problem, not mine.
Sorry you guys don't get it. The more I think about this I am more of the opinion we don't have a very good coach. It's not about who is in or what the score was, it was about sending the right message to the players. I don't want a coach who quits on his players. I am not saying he should be fired or anything like that, but that was just chickenshit.
If you don't get it, that's your problem, not mine.
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#4 looked as about what you would expect from a guy who has not played a down for a very long time, he looked confused a few times but over all should receive a decent grade for todays game, the fumble he lost I believe we had some back ups playing on the line, but still no excuse (hold on to the damn ball) special teams ? night and day from last year, penalties we had the one false start with the ones and the tripping penalty ? from what i saw just looked like a normal collision, on D evens look ed like crap while coates is making a statement for a roster s
no one got hurt today which is nice and for a last play ? with gabrial at qb, pppfffttttt
Sorry you guys don't get it. The more I think about this I am more of the opinion we don't have a very good coach. It's not about who is in or what the score was, it was about sending the right message to the players. I don't want a coach who quits on his players. I am not saying he should be fired or anything like that, but that was just chickenshit.
If you don't get it, that's your problem, not mine.
Sorry you guys don't get it. The more I think about this I am more of the opinion we don't have a very good coach. It's not about who is in or what the score was, it was about sending the right message to the players. I don't want a coach who quits on his players. I am not saying he should be fired or anything like that, but that was just chickenshit.
If you don't get it, that's your problem, not mine.
Have a snickers man...You are panicking way too early. You can't base or value his ability to coach after one preseason game.. Yesterdays game was more about seeing who can do what in various situations... The Oline needs work.. The depth on defense is troublesome at this point. These Oline guys haven't played together before....give it some time..... It's gonna take a few games to gel. That's pretty much I thought this was going to go.... Our QB of the future may not be on the roster right now...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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Not impressed!
Maybe not, but it was the most impressive out of the QB's we played yesterday.
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Maybe not, but it was the most impressive out of the QB's we played yesterday.
He is “competing” against 2 guys who are not good. He should look better
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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