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Final: Jets (2-3) 17, Browns (3-2) 12 · Week 5

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  • OrionO Orion

    We can't run - OLine is not producing in the run game at all. And it seemed like there was always a free rusher bearing down on Watson as soon as he caught the shotgun snap. The Offense cannot be effective with the OLine performing like that.

    This is a costly loss in terms of conference tiebreakers and injured players.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote CLE 17-14 · 5 −4
    #164

    @Orion I’d be interested in seeing the All-22 in regards to Judkins to see if he’s missing holes, but I swear half the time he gets the ball he’s hit immediately.

    The OLine was just overmatched today. We were lucky not to get sacked another handful of times today, honestly.

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @Orion I’d be interested in seeing the All-22 in regards to Judkins to see if he’s missing holes, but I swear half the time he gets the ball he’s hit immediately.

    The OLine was just overmatched today. We were lucky not to get sacked another handful of times today, honestly.

    bjh2130B bjh2130 wrote
    #165
    @Dutch-Oven said:
    @Orion I’d be interested in seeing the All-22 in regards to Judkins to see if he’s missing holes, but I swear half the time he gets the ball he’s hit immediately.

    The OLine was just overmatched today. We were lucky not to get sacked another handful of times today, honestly.


    The all-22 would be interesting but I do know judkins is far and away the leader in the nfl in getting hit at or behind the line of scrimmage and that's not a running back problem that's a oline problem.

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  • bjh2130B bjh2130
    @Dutch-Oven said:
    @Orion I’d be interested in seeing the All-22 in regards to Judkins to see if he’s missing holes, but I swear half the time he gets the ball he’s hit immediately.

    The OLine was just overmatched today. We were lucky not to get sacked another handful of times today, honestly.


    The all-22 would be interesting but I do know judkins is far and away the leader in the nfl in getting hit at or behind the line of scrimmage and that's not a running back problem that's a oline problem.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote CLE 17-14 · 5 −4
    #166
    @bjh2130 said:
    The all-22 would be interesting but I do know judkins is far and away the leader in the nfl in getting hit at or behind the line of scrimmage and that's not a running back problem that's a oline problem.


    Running out of shotgun all the time isn't helping, but it is what it is probably as long as Watson is the QB.

    I sincerely hope whoever the eventual QB of the future is will be coached up to be able to play under center.

  • C calfoxwc
    @Orion said:
    We can't run - OLine is not producing in the run game at all. And it seemed like there was always a free rusher bearing down on Watson as soon as he caught the shotgun snap. The Offense cannot be effective with the OLine performing like that.
    This is a costly loss in terms of conference tiebreakers and injured players.


    I say the shotgun helps stupid twatson from screwing up more dramatically/ints, but gave the Jets defense better attack points.
    twatson is stupid, and doesn't roll out well - doesn't read the field well. Limits play action to a point, and lets the defense attack
    all out, giving the oline serious problems. Like, where was twatson throwing to Fannin????? ONE pass for four yards?

    bbedwardB bbedward wrote CLE 27-17 · 8 −8
    #167
    @calfoxwc said:
    I say the shotgun helps stupid twatson from screwing up more dramatically/ints, but gave the Jets defense better attack points.
    twatson is stupid, and doesn't roll out well - doesn't read the field well. Limits play action to a point, and lets the defense attack
    all out, giving the oline serious problems. Like, where was twatson throwing to Fannin????? ONE pass for four yards?


    Watson is flawed but he's honestly playing the best QB we've had since Mayfield. He had so many great passes that were dropped.

    Bond was the big loser today, not watson. And the run game in general

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  • M MDDawg wrote
    #168

    Watched the game on delay so couldn't join earlier. My prediction was 24-16 Browns win, I was pretty close to the Jets' score but didn't foresee our Offense crapping it's pants so badly. However Minkah Fitzpatrick is in a new division but just as dirty, not satisfied with ending Chubb's career now taking it out on KC. KC's loss was a big reason we lost today as we couldn't replace him, Bond was terrible and don't know why Jeudy wasn't running those plays instead. The O line play also deteriorated after Howard went down so the run game became even worse and we need a blocking TE badly. Defense kept us in the game but unfortunately ST lost it for us, that botched punt was the ballgame. I won't crucify Watson as he still kept us in the game despite Bond's drops and poor route running ( I'm sure that missed TD was on Bond, it was a scramble drill so he should have been running to the side of the EZ). A winnable game lost unfortunately.

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @Orion I’d be interested in seeing the All-22 in regards to Judkins to see if he’s missing holes, but I swear half the time he gets the ball he’s hit immediately.

    The OLine was just overmatched today. We were lucky not to get sacked another handful of times today, honestly.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote
    #169
    @Dutch-Oven said:
    @Orion I’d be interested in seeing the All-22 in regards to Judkins to see if he’s missing holes, but I swear half the time he gets the ball he’s hit immediately.

    The OLine was just overmatched today. We were lucky not to get sacked another handful of times today, honestly.




    I think I gave a quick breakdown of this in the RT9 thread.

  • L LondonBrown wrote
    #170

    The Browns aren’t going to make the playoffs but being competitive is enough this year as the team is so young. Two drafts back to back look very good but obviously with three wins already they’re out of the running for the number one QB whoever that may be.

    How else can they address the QB situation going into next year?

  • L LondonBrown

    The Browns aren’t going to make the playoffs but being competitive is enough this year as the team is so young. Two drafts back to back look very good but obviously with three wins already they’re out of the running for the number one QB whoever that may be.

    How else can they address the QB situation going into next year?

    C calfoxwc wrote NYJ 2-0 · 5 +5
    #171
    @LondonBrown said:
    The Browns aren’t going to make the playoffs but being competitive is enough this year as the team is so young. Two drafts back to back look very good but obviously with three wins already they’re out of the running for the number one QB whoever that may be.
    How else can they address the QB situation going into next year?

    I don't mind all that much that the Browns may not get the top qb in the draft. The "top qb" may very well NOT be the right guy. As in,
    the Browns drafted Baker Mayfield instead of Josh Allen. I had Allen in my stupid mock draft. So, just draft the RIGHT QB.

  • C calfoxwc wrote NYJ 2-0 · 5 +5
    #172

    This Jets game - twatson needs to go after this season. Give it up, Browns. I don't get it - all the hate was on Baker, even when the oline struggled, and the wr core was far less than what it should have been. Now, nothing matters about the qb now, when twatson fails again and again, with a fine wr group, a far better oline, better TE group, and a coach that isn't stupanski. Anyways, here is a few videos about it:

    Just give it up. twatson is a very athletic scumbag - doesn't react/see the field well, doesn't have the skills to be a shotgun qb, but he is more comfortable in it.....whatever. The Jets outplayed the very talented Browns, they outcoached the Browns vs the Browns offense.

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  • sydS syd wrote CLE 31-6 · 9 −9
    #173

    any word on Concepcion ?

  • GameDayG GameDay wrote
    #174

    The Week 6 thread is up here.

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  • sydS syd wrote CLE 31-6 · 9 −9
    #175

    bang bang my ass munken, First it was flagged and second take up for your freaking players


  • U Unsympathetic wrote
    #176

    Unfortunately, Watson's first potential day out of a Browns uniform is the second day (March 12) of the 2027 league year -- that's when you can cut a guy and designate as post-June-1. Watson OTC

    "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
  • C calfoxwc

    This Jets game - twatson needs to go after this season. Give it up, Browns. I don't get it - all the hate was on Baker, even when the oline struggled, and the wr core was far less than what it should have been. Now, nothing matters about the qb now, when twatson fails again and again, with a fine wr group, a far better oline, better TE group, and a coach that isn't stupanski. Anyways, here is a few videos about it:

    Just give it up. twatson is a very athletic scumbag - doesn't react/see the field well, doesn't have the skills to be a shotgun qb, but he is more comfortable in it.....whatever. The Jets outplayed the very talented Browns, they outcoached the Browns vs the Browns offense.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote CLE 17-14 · 5 −4
    #177

    @calfoxwc How many fantasy points did Baker score compared to Deshaun when they faced each other a couple weeks ago?

    Cuz you were talking a lot before the game about this, but for some reason you’ve never told us how that worked out. 😂

    And you actually wrote that Watson has a far better OLine
    than the top ranked OLine that Baker had? 😝 As absolutely brain dead as the typical MAGAflake is, you take the cake.

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  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote
    #178

    Anyone else notice Bond can't seem to catch a ball without jumping or leaving the ground??

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    Anyone else notice Bond can't seem to catch a ball without jumping or leaving the ground??

    M MDDawg wrote
    #179
    @Kvoethe said:
    Anyone else notice Bond can't seem to catch a ball without jumping or leaving the ground??


    Yeah, since last season and still hasn't fixed it.

  • M MDDawg
    @Kvoethe said:
    Anyone else notice Bond can't seem to catch a ball without jumping or leaving the ground??


    Yeah, since last season and still hasn't fixed it.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote CLE 17-14 · 5 −4
    #180
    @MDDawg said:
    Yeah, since last season and still hasn't fixed it.


    He did this twice while running across the middle.

    I think he's scared shitless that he's going to get hit hard... and that's why he jumps for no apparent reason, in an attempt to cushion the blow or something.

  • sydS syd wrote CLE 31-6 · 9 −9
    #181

    but if you get hit in the air compared to your feet on the ground, don't you stand more of a chance for a injury

  • sydS syd

    but if you get hit in the air compared to your feet on the ground, don't you stand more of a chance for a injury

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote CLE 17-14 · 5 −4
    #182
    @syd said:
    but if you get hit in the air compared to your feet on the ground, don't you stand more of a chance for a injury


    Yes.

    But I think in his head jumping/leaping will help him avoid getting his head tore off because his head in theory would be higher than the defensive player expects, or something?

    I'm reaching for straws here, honestly. It's the only thing I can come up to why he leaps for passes that don't need to have a receiver jump for them.

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