Pregame: Ravens (4-1) at Browns (3-2), Week 6 · Sun, 10/18, 1:00 PM EDT
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Care to speak about why it is harder to consistently run from shotgun compared to under the center @tiamat63?
I'm looking forward to having a QB who can play under center again. Watson never figured it out, and it doesn't appear he ever will.
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Care to speak about why it is harder to consistently run from shotgun compared to under the center @tiamat63?
I'm looking forward to having a QB who can play under center again. Watson never figured it out, and it doesn't appear he ever will.
@Dutch-Oven said:
Care to speak about why it is harder to consistently run from shotgun compared to under the center @tiamat63?
I'm looking forward to having a QB who can play under center again. Watson never figured it out, and it doesn't appear he ever will.
What’s that old saying about old dogs turning tricks?
There was a news story down this way about Joe Burrow having the same problem. It was a matter of formation vs. success rate, and he does way better out of the shotgun formation. It could be that it’s the best bet when it comes to passing play value.
I’d be real curious what the stats say league wide on this. -
@syd said:
yesterday sucked , Bailey was just killing our tackles, we should have gone to a 12 personal to help us run time off the clock before that awesome attempt at a punt,also munken why are you passing the ball at that point in the game, the weather was shit and we should have been trying to take time off the clock, hopefully we will see better things come this sunday
It's almost as if they give up on the run game too soon, or they realize that this new line just isn't capable of running the ball at the pro level consistently. They aren't so hot in the passing game either.
I figured the O line would take time to gel but perhaps it's just not going to be good enough. They still have 5 games to go before the BYE, against some good defenses.@Bob806 said:
It's almost as if they give up on the run game too soon, or they realize that this new line just isn't capable of running the ball at the pro level consistently. They aren't so hot in the passing game either.
I figured the O line would take time to gel but perhaps it's just not going to be good enough. They still have 5 games to go before the BYE, against some good defenses.
When it comes to OL, love takes time. We turned a wide eyed rookie that played LT at Florida last year into a RG this year. We've already seen 2 different guys starting at Center albeit due to an injury to the starter 1 week. At LT, we took a guy in the 1st round that his college team prefered to play him at RT (the guy that started there at LT is only a rookie backup for NE at this time). Now we have 3 veteran starters from elsewhere that we brought in during the off-season: RT Tytus Howard, C Elgton Jenkins and LG Zion Johnson. I'm not impressed yet and I don't think they offer a lot of upside. That said, it
I'll give eveyone the same excuse though - time is needed to gel. Here's where it gets tricky to me as a fan that played OG in high school back in BC (Before Cellphones). If someone isn't pulling their weight to make a good chemistry possible - do we start a Dawand Jones over a Tytus Howard at RT? Is it too early? This is where Warhop and Monken will make thei experience-based decision and live with the results. Another option, Barber was a LT because he's a great athlete (that also played basketball in hs) - would RT be wok better for him than Tytus (who also played OG in on his last team). OG puts Tytus in tighter space that might not be nearly as troublesome.
Not for nothing, I thought Luke Wypler looked outstanding vs Pittsburgh filling in at Center. Having said that, I was also drinking cold beers from frosted mugs so maybe @tiamat63 or someone else has a more accurate summay than I did. Wypler's biggest problem to date as a 6th round pick was reliable vetean Ethan Pocic was brought here with a much heftier contract; so any opportunities to fill-in for an injured starter meant he couldn't afford to get injured (but he did more than once). That all makes it no surprise Browns used a 5th round pick to draft Alabama C Parker Brailsford; so by all means stay tuned
What we're going through is an inevitable combination of growing pains in that we have 5 band new starters at each position here on the OL. The challenge is when is it time to replace an ineffective starter or move him to another position? I'm no help here - I'm just sharing my thoughts. All this said, the team is 3-2 so we'll soon find out what fate determines here.I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Care to speak about why it is harder to consistently run from shotgun compared to under the center @tiamat63?
I'm looking forward to having a QB who can play under center again. Watson never figured it out, and it doesn't appear he ever will.
@Dutch-Oven said:
Care to speak about why it is harder to consistently run from shotgun compared to under the center @tiamat63?
I'm looking forward to having a QB who can play under center again. Watson never figured it out, and it doesn't appear he ever will.
Depends on the gun formation. Mostly spacing/timing issues. Under center your running game has a bit more dynamic direction as well. In gun, 95% of runs begin by opening laterally and the bulk of coaches know that offset SC means you want the (we call it) flow side B gap. There's also the penchant for wanting a more athletic QB if you're focusing on a ground based shotgun game. The last is desire to get defenses into nickel/dime as gun pairs well/most often with 11p. If defenses don't oblige, or with what we're seeing lately - callling/stemming into more odd fronts, it has a disproportionate effect against gun based offenses. -
@Bob806 said:
It's almost as if they give up on the run game too soon, or they realize that this new line just isn't capable of running the ball at the pro level consistently. They aren't so hot in the passing game either.
I figured the O line would take time to gel but perhaps it's just not going to be good enough. They still have 5 games to go before the BYE, against some good defenses.
When it comes to OL, love takes time. We turned a wide eyed rookie that played LT at Florida last year into a RG this year. We've already seen 2 different guys starting at Center albeit due to an injury to the starter 1 week. At LT, we took a guy in the 1st round that his college team prefered to play him at RT (the guy that started there at LT is only a rookie backup for NE at this time). Now we have 3 veteran starters from elsewhere that we brought in during the off-season: RT Tytus Howard, C Elgton Jenkins and LG Zion Johnson. I'm not impressed yet and I don't think they offer a lot of upside. That said, it
I'll give eveyone the same excuse though - time is needed to gel. Here's where it gets tricky to me as a fan that played OG in high school back in BC (Before Cellphones). If someone isn't pulling their weight to make a good chemistry possible - do we start a Dawand Jones over a Tytus Howard at RT? Is it too early? This is where Warhop and Monken will make thei experience-based decision and live with the results. Another option, Barber was a LT because he's a great athlete (that also played basketball in hs) - would RT be wok better for him than Tytus (who also played OG in on his last team). OG puts Tytus in tighter space that might not be nearly as troublesome.
Not for nothing, I thought Luke Wypler looked outstanding vs Pittsburgh filling in at Center. Having said that, I was also drinking cold beers from frosted mugs so maybe @tiamat63 or someone else has a more accurate summay than I did. Wypler's biggest problem to date as a 6th round pick was reliable vetean Ethan Pocic was brought here with a much heftier contract; so any opportunities to fill-in for an injured starter meant he couldn't afford to get injured (but he did more than once). That all makes it no surprise Browns used a 5th round pick to draft Alabama C Parker Brailsford; so by all means stay tuned
What we're going through is an inevitable combination of growing pains in that we have 5 band new starters at each position here on the OL. The challenge is when is it time to replace an ineffective starter or move him to another position? I'm no help here - I'm just sharing my thoughts. All this said, the team is 3-2 so we'll soon find out what fate determines here.@Flugel said:
Having said that, I was also drinking cold beers from frosted so maybe @tiamat63 or someone else has a more summay than I did. His biggest problem to date as a 6th round pick was Pocic was brought here with a much heftier contract; so any opportunities to fill-in for an injured starter meant he couldn't afford to get injured (but he did more than once).
I'll work on a piece for Wypler sometime this weekend. Right now I've got The Browns offense vs Baltimore DEF on deck, a mid-season review for Julian Sayin & then Makai Lemon coming down the pipe. But I'll sneak in some Wypler time and report back. -
@Flugel said:
Having said that, I was also drinking cold beers from frosted so maybe @tiamat63 or someone else has a more summay than I did. His biggest problem to date as a 6th round pick was Pocic was brought here with a much heftier contract; so any opportunities to fill-in for an injured starter meant he couldn't afford to get injured (but he did more than once).
I'll work on a piece for Wypler sometime this weekend. Right now I've got The Browns offense vs Baltimore DEF on deck, a mid-season review for Julian Sayin & then Makai Lemon coming down the pipe. But I'll sneak in some Wypler time and report back.@tiamat63 said:
I'll work on a piece for Wypler sometime this weekend. Right now I've got The Browns offense vs Baltimore DEF on deck, a mid-season review for Julian Sayin & then Makai Lemon coming down the pipe. But I'll sneak in some Wypler time and report back.
Thanks! I didn't realize how sloppy I was with all the typos so I went back and edited it some to make it more readable. Not only that, the R key on the laptop doesn't work half the time so it looks like my posts are coming from Elmer Fudd... -
Looking at coverage structures for Baltimore and their injury report. We're going to run into a lot of familiar issues the rest of this year, similar to the back half of Stefanksis tenure - Ravens play, while not as much cover 2, but a lot of 2 hi structures the Jets did. They also have beef in the middle of their IDL.
Unless you can find a way through or around it, this offense is going to stall out mid drive or redzone like last week. Friendly elements might mean SOME better play, but likely not winning difference better. If Lamar is back, Baltimore -4.5 Likely the same even if he isn't.
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The Jets seem to have blitzed a LOT, knowing that twatson is slow to read. They knew to cover the run, to put even more stress on twatson, knowing he has always tended to scramble because he can do that without thinking.....while not putting the usual emphasis on pass coverage at times. When the qb is stupid, the defense will play games to warp his brain. Graham and Schlesinger on the injured list will hurt the defense, at a time when they have to probably face Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry. I don't see a win here for the Browns.
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The Jets seem to have blitzed a LOT, knowing that twatson is slow to read. They knew to cover the run, to put even more stress on twatson, knowing he has always tended to scramble because he can do that without thinking.....while not putting the usual emphasis on pass coverage at times. When the qb is stupid, the defense will play games to warp his brain. Graham and Schlesinger on the injured list will hurt the defense, at a time when they have to probably face Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry. I don't see a win here for the Browns.
@calfoxwc Man, Baker must be a complete MAGA-level moron, because he lost to Watson
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We'll be going over the Week 4, #BaltimoreRavens DEF vs the #TennesseeTitans matchup tonight (Thursday) in the RT9 discord at 7:45pm EST.
As the #Browns are getting ready for their first game of the year vs BLT, we're looking to see what defensive similarities we'll find between the Ravens and the #NYJets And how those might translate to the game on Sunday.
As usual, this is a 'rough draft' session, hosted at the RT9 discord linked below. All are welcomed to come in, talk shop, ask questions, say their piece or just quietly watch along. But it's a sort of 'behind the scenes' on how the work is done when I chart.
But most importantly it helps to build that 'hang out' community that I think is so important and built around the game of Football.
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I look for Henry to have a good day running the ball. The Browns are only mid (#18) at rush defense.
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I look for Henry to have a good day running the ball. The Browns are only mid (#18) at rush defense.
@Canton-Dawg said:
I look for Henry to have a good day running the ball. The Browns are only mid (#18) at rush defense.
having Grahm back will help
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