Why is it so hard to believe that Quinn could be a bust?
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Really? The GM didn't line everyone up , coaches, scouts, ball boys, and janitors in training camp in 2008 and say 'DA IS OUR GUY'?? they didn't give him a huge contract after 2007?? You are right though, this is his make or break season...so far he is 0-1.
Ahh one of my favorite stock replies. If you thought for one second that DA was secured that position your out of your mind. Every year he has had a backup QB behind him who sells a lot more jerseys, has a lot more commercials, and has more reporters at his locker than he does. It has never been his job. And the contract was a reward for 2007, not a statement about his future.
I can remember when he was doing really well in 2007 and people were kind of holding there breath and asking "well, what about Brady?" It has never been his job....until now.
Ahh one of my favorite stock replies. If you thought for one second that DA was secured that position your out of your mind. Every year he has had a backup QB behind him who sells a lot more jerseys, has a lot more commercials, and has more reporters at his locker than he does. It has never been his job. And the contract was a reward for 2007, not a statement about his future.
I can remember when he was doing really well in 2007 and people were kind of holding there breath and asking "well, what about Brady?" It has never been his job....until now.
The best is when someone throws up their arms and says, "Oh great, now Brady's psych is gonna be damaged!"
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@jadbf said:
I personally prefer when people actually believe DA is getting better.I personally prefer when people think others are better (than DA).
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@jadbf said:
So then what was the point of your post? He still has that back up behind him. That back up still sells more jerseys I'll bet (likely not as many more now...). And people will still be calling for Brady the next time DA has another 23 QBR game. Mangini picked Quinn to start first, then went to DA.what exactly has changed?
That you're convinced DA can actually be a real QB some day in this league? Nope don't think that has ever changed. Delusions are hard to shake.
Yes I am convinced he WILL be a starter for the rest of his career here or somewhere else. I hope its here. The difference now is that I believe Lerner has finally figured it out after two coaches have showed him, that Brady cannot play in this league. So now we can work on DA's game and develope him. I wouldn't call that a delusion in fact; it's actually based on real life observations and a body of work. Quinnies have absolutely nothing to go on but insist he is better than DA. That is more of a delusion.
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One pattern we keep seeing is Quinn "haters" posting that the fan base loves Quinn. Well, it's true that many of us want to see BQ succeed because of local ties, but I don't know anyone who doesn't see bust potential with him. Most QBs are busts. Everyone has doubts about him given what they've seen so far.
Your question is beside the point, though.
If DA were going to lead the team to 10 wins and a playoff spot, then I say "Play DA." However, this team is not good enough to come anywhere near the playoffs, so why are we spending this year by NOT evaluating Quinn? He needs to play against lesser defenses like Cincy and Buffalo. This is why I keep coming back to what is the main question: How does this decision strategically help the Browns find a long-term solution at QB? Perhaps the brass feels they've seen enough in 10 quarters against very good defenses to say that BQ doesn't have it. I think it's ridiculous. DA is a backup on a quality team. BQ needs further evaluation and this is a perfect year to do it. If Quinn proves to be a bust this year, you have the higher draft pick and you move on past this year knowing that you need a new QB.
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@danamal said:
I just read this whole thread and I want to stab my eyes out!People are so stupid.
Stan is pulling your chains but you cant help yourselves,keep argiung till you get mad enough to make ultimatums or throw a brick through your monitors.
Dummies...
You know what drives me?
It's checking people at the door and exposing their beliefs on what they've read or what they hope or based on the next guys opinion. You can never be wrong if you go with your gut, watch the games and go by what you've witnessed.
This young crowd here though can sway in the wind. Their views change from one national publication to another, written by guys 600 -to- 1,200 miles away, based on a token interview or based on anothers stretch.
Don't blame me for trying to get them real. Don't blame me for trying to get them to know and back 100% what they are spouting off about. Don't blame me if they start to wiggle and squirm and show evidence that their big bad stands of yesterday were exsposed as paper thin today.
Man-up ... If you saw great things in Quinn, lets hear about them and your reasoning why you sunk your teeth deep into him. Let's hear why they haven't blossomed YET. Let's hear some confidence here instead of the democratic play of we back this guy because he ain't that guy.
Grow a set and bring game, or serious get the fuck out or quit posting and revert to reading.
There are a bunch of yap dogs on this forum. They bring nothing, they add nothing. Stop reading and start watching. Stop venturing over to the OBR and hanging on every word that a guy writes who dominated at Dugeons and dragons in high school. Or better yet, stay there, they have a forum.
You can be wrong, but man-up and be wrong and move-on, don't resort to yap dog bullshit and beat-off on the 'Thanks' button of your Alltel friends.
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But back to the original point, at least that's ONE ground on which to compare Anderson and Favre as opposed to Quinn and Favre.
The second is Anderson's superior first year with his team as QB.
The third is that both QBs regressed in their second season.
Terry Bradshaw and John Elway spent most of their careers completing about 56% of their passes. In fact, Bradshaw eclipsed 60% one year -- his last. Dan Marino spent the majority of his career completing about 57 or 58% of his passes. Only 5 out of his 17 years he had a completion % of over 60%.
A QB can be effective and not complete 60% of his passes or can be ineffective completing 65% of his passes. Frye completed almost 65% of his passes in 2006-2007. Sipe only reached a 60% completion percentage in one year with Cleveland . . . barely and Kosar had more seasons under 60% than over 60%. He competed his highest percentage in his worst year 1992 (66%) and one of his lowest percentages in his best year 1986 (58%).
In isolation it's one of the biggest garbage stats in football. One 12 yard pass equals 3 four yard passes.
Give me Anderson's TD passes, yards and TD/INT ratio in 2007 over Favre's completion percentage in 1992 any day.
There should be no comparison between Favre and Quinn. I'd fully agree that whole thing was silly.
As to the middle there, I'd say you also start getting into different era's a football, and statistical comparisons get fuzzy. You got QBs who spent their careers in an era where DBs could chuck WR all over field and knock them on their ass at the LOS if they wanted. The rules of the passing game are far different today than Favre in the early 90's, Elway and Kosar in the 80's (and early 90's for Elway), or the 70's for Bradshaw.
In the NFL today, 60% seems to be the general barrometer used.
Masters said:
As to the middle there, I'd say you also start getting into different era's a football, and statistical comparisons get fuzzy. You got QBs who spent their careers in an era where DBs could chuck WR all over field and knock them on their ass at the LOS if they wanted. The rules of the passing game are far different today than Favre in the early 90's, Elway and Kosar in the 80's (and early 90's for Elway), or the 70's for Bradshaw.In the NFL today, 60% seems to be the general barrometer used.
I acknowledge this point to some extent. But I will say that when some of those old-time guys were putting tons of points on the board completing 57-58% of their passes, Montana was doing the same by completing 65-70% of his passes with regularity. Most offensive systems have incorporated various elements of Walsh's WCO system leading to higher completion percentages. Although all the systems have mixed, Chud's schemes were more Coryellish/Turner than Martzist or WCO. In his limited starts Quinn completed only 50% of his passes too -- yet was more effective than he's been this year completing 60% of his passes. Daboll/Mangini seem to tend even more toward the Coryell-Turner system from what I've seen. At least it seemed that way last week when the offense was finally competent enough to divine a strategy.
Maybe they just adjusted based on the QB? Belichick disciples are generally said to run the Erhardt-Perkins system, which relies on a ball-control running game and a shorter passing game . . . in theory. But at least with Brady, the offense really evolved back into something resembling a Coryell offense even if it uses different terminology. Weiss, in contrast ran the true Erhardt-Perkins system with Quinn and continues to do so with Clausen.
Dilfer contrasted Anderson and Quinn saying Quinn is good at throwing to open receivers and Anderson is good at throwing receivers open. The former is a prototype WCO QB and the latter is a prototype Coryell/Turner QB.
In the modern era, McNabb has been pretty successful as a more-often-than-not 57-58% completion percentage guy ... and he's in a WCO-based system.
You can still knock a guy on his ass at the LOS. Seems hard to remember since we haven't had press coverage corners since the days of the Dawgs.
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One pattern we keep seeing is Quinn "haters" posting that the fan base loves Quinn. Well, it's true that many of us want to see BQ succeed because of local ties, but I don't know anyone who doesn't see bust potential with him. Most QBs are busts. Everyone has doubts about him given what they've seen so far.
Your question is beside the point, though.
If DA were going to lead the team to 10 wins and a playoff spot, then I say "Play DA." However, this team is not good enough to come anywhere near the playoffs, so why are we spending this year by NOT evaluating Quinn? He needs to play against lesser defenses like Cincy and Buffalo. This is why I keep coming back to what is the main question: How does this decision strategically help the Browns find a long-term solution at QB? Perhaps the brass feels they've seen enough in 10 quarters against very good defenses to say that BQ doesn't have it. I think it's ridiculous. DA is a backup on a quality team. BQ needs further evaluation and this is a perfect year to do it. If Quinn proves to be a bust this year, you have the higher draft pick and you move on past this year knowing that you need a new QB.
One pattern we keep seeing is Quinn "haters" posting that the fan base loves Quinn. Well, it's true that many of us want to see BQ succeed because of local ties, but I don't know anyone who doesn't see bust potential with him. Most QBs are busts. Everyone has doubts about him given what they've seen so far.
Your question is beside the point, though.
If DA were going to lead the team to 10 wins and a playoff spot, then I say "Play DA." However, this team is not good enough to come anywhere near the playoffs, so why are we spending this year by NOT evaluating Quinn? He needs to play against lesser defenses like Cincy and Buffalo. This is why I keep coming back to what is the main question: How does this decision strategically help the Browns find a long-term solution at QB? Perhaps the brass feels they've seen enough in 10 quarters against very good defenses to say that BQ doesn't have it. I think it's ridiculous. DA is a backup on a quality team. BQ needs further evaluation and this is a perfect year to do it. If Quinn proves to be a bust this year, you have the higher draft pick and you move on past this year knowing that you need a new QB.
This will be the third time I repeat this today, but I don't mind.
I like Anderson in there because he opens up the offense so that we can evaluate EVERYONE, from the young RB's and receivers to the gelling of the line. It allows our first time play caller an opportunity to dig deeper into his play book as well. Quinn was suffocating us. Had we had a veteran who could stretch the field back in 1999 and allow us to properly evaluate who we had and who we needed to get rid of, we'd be a lot further along today. However, we discarded O-linemen that went on to start for many years with much better teams, including Super Bowl teams.
If DA starts getting read like a book, which I think he will, and we can't make adjustments to play his way out of it and we start playing in a rut and things stop flowing, then we make another switch and hook them jumper cables back up and jump-start the somabitch again.
I'm not evaluating QB's this season, I'm evaluating the other components. With that said, Anderson gives us the better evaluation of the rest of the skill positions and can keep us in games better. If the kid improves to the point where he catches our eye for next season, great, if not we move on with those players who did.
Stop evaluating QB's and start looking at how this team is making adjustments and who's growing and playing through the hills and valleys. Weeks 1-3 were a waste of an evaluation period, we tweaked at least five positions and we got a better display last Sunday. Let's keep moving, so far I've seen no one worth back-tracking for to pick-up, brush off, and cater to.
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Yeah, while I don't totally disagree, it just gets so much more magnified when you draft a Ki-Jana Carter, Rashan Salaam, Heath Schuler, Tim Couch, etc., and they don't pan out (injury, poor performance, not NFL-ready, whatever). It sets your team back big time.
It is indeed a tiresome debate, especially in Cleveland, where we have far too many misses than hits.
From that logic we should never take QB with the #1 pick...lol....detroit shy'd away for way too long, Bengels shied away way too long, watch Oakland shy away for way too long, but eli manning, rivers,rothlis,ryan,flacco,sanchez don't be surprised if very soon belicheck doesn't jump up in one of these drafts and gets him a top flight QB....If bq truly aint it...time for a new one we have the LT now get the QB
From that logic we should never take QB with the #1 pick...lol....detroit shy'd away for way too long, Bengels shied away way too long, watch Oakland shy away for way too long, but eli manning, rivers,rothlis,ryan,flacco,sanchez don't be surprised if very soon belicheck doesn't jump up in one of these drafts and gets him a top flight QB....If bq truly aint it...time for a new one we have the LT now get the QB
Yes, if Mangini & Co. truly believe we have the right LT (which we probably do in Joe Thomas), then by all means draft the QB.
Me, I'd draft an impact defensive player first. Afterall, we keep hiring these defensive-minded head coaches, so it's time to focus on playing ATTACKING defense so we can actually compete in the AFC North.
ps- What if we would have gotten all of New Orleans' draft picks, as was rumored, for Ricky Williams? I wonder if we would have f-ed that up too.
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From that logic we should never take QB with the #1 pick...lol....detroit shy'd away for way too long, Bengels shied away way too long, watch Oakland shy away for way too long, but eli manning, rivers,rothlis,ryan,flacco,sanchez don't be surprised if very soon belicheck doesn't jump up in one of these drafts and gets him a top flight QB....If bq truly aint it...time for a new one we have the LT now get the QB
Yes, if Mangini & Co. truly believe we have the right LT (which we probably do in Joe Thomas), then by all means draft the QB.
Me, I'd draft an impact defensive player first. Afterall, we keep hiring these defensive-minded head coaches, so it's time to focus on playing ATTACKING defense so we can actually compete in the AFC North.
ps- What if we would have gotten all of New Orleans' draft picks, as was rumored, for Ricky Williams? I wonder if we would have f-ed that up too.
Yes, if Mangini & Co. truly believe we have the right LT (which we probably do in Joe Thomas), then by all means draft the QB.
ps- What if we would have gotten all of New Orleans' draft picks, as was rumored, for Ricky Williams? I wonder if we would have f-ed that up too.
Pretty sure CLE has the right LT. Two Pro-bowls in two years is what franchise LT do.
Oh, CLE would have found a way to f-up that draft too.
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I've never said I believed Quinn was the future.
I liked his college mechanics where he was always prepared to throw and only tucked the ball past the los and liked his footwork.
I thought most of his "big throws" were because of those tall ND receivers he had.
I had hope since Trent Edwards was referred to as "a poor man's Brady Quinn" and Trent turned out pretty decent.
What I DID say was DA isn't the answer and we need to see if Quinn is or else we're going to have to draft another qb.
DA had problems with the short pass, reading defenses, poor footwork and locked on to receivers all to often. He regressed more often than progressed.
I don't HATE the guy, I've seen enough of him. He's not the franchise, franchise qbs improve and don't go all over like a roller coaster week to week. Consistency is a key trait you want out of your starter.
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@danamal said:
I just read this whole thread and I want to stab my eyes out!People are so stupid.
Stan is pulling your chains but you cant help yourselves,keep argiung till you get mad enough to make ultimatums or throw a brick through your monitors.
Dummies...
You know what drives me?
It's checking people at the door and exposing their beliefs on what they've read or what they hope or based on the next guys opinion. You can never be wrong if you go with your gut, watch the games and go by what you've witnessed.
This young crowd here though can sway in the wind. Their views change from one national publication to another, written by guys 600 -to- 1,200 miles away, based on a token interview or based on anothers stretch.
Don't blame me for trying to get them real. Don't blame me for trying to get them to know and back 100% what they are spouting off about. Don't blame me if they start to wiggle and squirm and show evidence that their big bad stands of yesterday were exsposed as paper thin today.
Man-up ... If you saw great things in Quinn, lets hear about them and your reasoning why you sunk your teeth deep into him. Let's hear why they haven't blossomed YET. Let's hear some confidence here instead of the democratic play of we back this guy because he ain't that guy.
Grow a set and bring game, or serious get the fuck out or quit posting and revert to reading.
There are a bunch of yap dogs on this forum. They bring nothing, they add nothing. Stop reading and start watching. Stop venturing over to the OBR and hanging on every word that a guy writes who dominated at Dugeons and dragons in high school. Or better yet, stay there, they have a forum.
You can be wrong, but man-up and be wrong and move-on, don't resort to yap dog bullshit and beat-off on the 'Thanks' button of your Alltel friends.
You know what drives me?
Soooo calling people pansies and other name-calling is "Manning-up?" Anyone who doesn't share the same beliefs as you is attacked personally for expressing their opinions. You're like the drunk uncle that hosts a X-mas party that no one wants to say anything to 'cause it's HIS party. This cyber tough guy shit is lame and tired. You intimidate no one. Have a little class, you're a grown man.It's checking people at the door and exposing their beliefs on what they've read or what they hope or based on the next guys opinion. You can never be wrong if you go with your gut, watch the games and go by what you've witnessed.
This young crowd here though can sway in the wind. Their views change from one national publication to another, written by guys 600 -to- 1,200 miles away, based on a token interview or based on anothers stretch.
Don't blame me for trying to get them real. Don't blame me for trying to get them to know and back 100% what they are spouting off about. Don't blame me if they start to wiggle and squirm and show evidence that their big bad stands of yesterday were exsposed as paper thin today.
Man-up ... If you saw great things in Quinn, lets hear about them and your reasoning why you sunk your teeth deep into him. Let's hear why they haven't blossomed YET. Let's hear some confidence here instead of the democratic play of we back this guy because he ain't that guy.
Grow a set and bring game, or serious get the xxxx out or quit posting and revert to reading.
There are a bunch of yap dogs on this forum. They bring nothing, they add nothing. Stop reading and start watching. Stop venturing over to the OBR and hanging on every word that a guy writes who dominated at Dugeons and dragons in high school. Or better yet, stay there, they have a forum.
You can be wrong, but man-up and be wrong and move-on, don't resort to yap dog bullshit and beat-off on the 'Thanks' button of your Alltel friends.
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You know what drives me?
Soooo calling people pansies and other name-calling is "Manning-up?" Anyone who doesn't share the same beliefs as you is attacked personally for expressing their opinions. You're like the drunk uncle that hosts a X-mas party that no one wants to say anything to 'cause it's HIS party. This cyber tough guy shit is lame and tired. You intimidate no one. Have a little class, you're a grown man.It's checking people at the door and exposing their beliefs on what they've read or what they hope or based on the next guys opinion. You can never be wrong if you go with your gut, watch the games and go by what you've witnessed.
This young crowd here though can sway in the wind. Their views change from one national publication to another, written by guys 600 -to- 1,200 miles away, based on a token interview or based on anothers stretch.
Don't blame me for trying to get them real. Don't blame me for trying to get them to know and back 100% what they are spouting off about. Don't blame me if they start to wiggle and squirm and show evidence that their big bad stands of yesterday were exsposed as paper thin today.
Man-up ... If you saw great things in Quinn, lets hear about them and your reasoning why you sunk your teeth deep into him. Let's hear why they haven't blossomed YET. Let's hear some confidence here instead of the democratic play of we back this guy because he ain't that guy.
Grow a set and bring game, or serious get the xxxx out or quit posting and revert to reading.
There are a bunch of yap dogs on this forum. They bring nothing, they add nothing. Stop reading and start watching. Stop venturing over to the OBR and hanging on every word that a guy writes who dominated at Dugeons and dragons in high school. Or better yet, stay there, they have a forum.
You can be wrong, but man-up and be wrong and move-on, don't resort to yap dog bullshit and beat-off on the 'Thanks' button of your Alltel friends.
88fingerslewy said:
Soooo calling people pansies and other name-calling is "Manning-up?"Yes it is, 88fingersgooey ....
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One pattern we keep seeing is Quinn "haters" posting that the fan base loves Quinn. Well, it's true that many of us want to see BQ succeed because of local ties, but I don't know anyone who doesn't see bust potential with him. Most QBs are busts. Everyone has doubts about him given what they've seen so far.
Your question is beside the point, though.
If DA were going to lead the team to 10 wins and a playoff spot, then I say "Play DA." However, this team is not good enough to come anywhere near the playoffs, so why are we spending this year by NOT evaluating Quinn? He needs to play against lesser defenses like Cincy and Buffalo. This is why I keep coming back to what is the main question: How does this decision strategically help the Browns find a long-term solution at QB? Perhaps the brass feels they've seen enough in 10 quarters against very good defenses to say that BQ doesn't have it. I think it's ridiculous. DA is a backup on a quality team. BQ needs further evaluation and this is a perfect year to do it. If Quinn proves to be a bust this year, you have the higher draft pick and you move on past this year knowing that you need a new QB.
This will be the third time I repeat this today, but I don't mind.
I like Anderson in there because he opens up the offense so that we can evaluate EVERYONE, from the young RB's and receivers to the gelling of the line. It allows our first time play caller an opportunity to dig deeper into his play book as well. Quinn was suffocating us. Had we had a veteran who could stretch the field back in 1999 and allow us to properly evaluate who we had and who we needed to get rid of, we'd be a lot further along today. However, we discarded O-linemen that went on to start for many years with much better teams, including Super Bowl teams.
If DA starts getting read like a book, which I think he will, and we can't make adjustments to play his way out of it and we start playing in a rut and things stop flowing, then we make another switch and hook them jumper cables back up and jump-start the somabitch again.
I'm not evaluating QB's this season, I'm evaluating the other components. With that said, Anderson gives us the better evaluation of the rest of the skill positions and can keep us in games better. If the kid improves to the point where he catches our eye for next season, great, if not we move on with those players who did.
Stop evaluating QB's and start looking at how this team is making adjustments and who's growing and playing through the hills and valleys. Weeks 1-3 were a waste of an evaluation period, we tweaked at least five positions and we got a better display last Sunday. Let's keep moving, so far I've seen no one worth back-tracking for to pick-up, brush off, and cater to.
This will be the third time I repeat this today, but I don't mind.
I like Anderson in there because he opens up the offense so that we can evaluate EVERYONE, from the young RB's and receivers to the gelling of the line. It allows our first time play caller an opportunity to dig deeper into his play book as well. Quinn was suffocating us. Had we had a veteran who could stretch the field back in 1999 and allow us to properly evaluate who we had and who we needed to get rid of, we'd be a lot further along today. However, we discarded O-linemen that went on to start for many years with much better teams, including Super Bowl teams.
If DA starts getting read like a book, which I think he will, and we can't make adjustments to play his way out of it and we start playing in a rut and things stop flowing, then we make another switch and hook them jumper cables back up and jump-start the somabitch again.
I'm not evaluating QB's this season, I'm evaluating the other components. With that said, Anderson gives us the better evaluation of the rest of the skill positions and can keep us in games better. If the kid improves to the point where he catches our eye for next season, great, if not we move on with those players who did.
Stop evaluating QB's and start looking at how this team is making adjustments and who's growing and playing through the hills and valleys. Weeks 1-3 were a waste of an evaluation period, we tweaked at least five positions and we got a better display last Sunday. Let's keep moving, so far I've seen no one worth back-tracking for to pick-up, brush off, and cater to.
This is a fair point. If THAT is the way the team is thinking, then it's understandable. At least we know then that there's a long-term focus rather than trying to goose a win or two in a lost year.
I just think 2 1/2 games isn't enough for Quinn, esp. because the defenses we saw the first 3 weeks are better than the one last week and this week. I'm not opposed to the DA move if the team goes back to Quinn in a few weeks (esp. if it's not against an elite team)... but they have to use this year to evaluate Quinn.
I still wonder how much this comes back to avoiding paying that escalator to a QB who they fear isn't in their long-term plans.
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This will be the third time I repeat this today, but I don't mind.
I like Anderson in there because he opens up the offense so that we can evaluate EVERYONE, from the young RB's and receivers to the gelling of the line. It allows our first time play caller an opportunity to dig deeper into his play book as well. Quinn was suffocating us. Had we had a veteran who could stretch the field back in 1999 and allow us to properly evaluate who we had and who we needed to get rid of, we'd be a lot further along today. However, we discarded O-linemen that went on to start for many years with much better teams, including Super Bowl teams.
If DA starts getting read like a book, which I think he will, and we can't make adjustments to play his way out of it and we start playing in a rut and things stop flowing, then we make another switch and hook them jumper cables back up and jump-start the somabitch again.
I'm not evaluating QB's this season, I'm evaluating the other components. With that said, Anderson gives us the better evaluation of the rest of the skill positions and can keep us in games better. If the kid improves to the point where he catches our eye for next season, great, if not we move on with those players who did.
Stop evaluating QB's and start looking at how this team is making adjustments and who's growing and playing through the hills and valleys. Weeks 1-3 were a waste of an evaluation period, we tweaked at least five positions and we got a better display last Sunday. Let's keep moving, so far I've seen no one worth back-tracking for to pick-up, brush off, and cater to.
This is a fair point. If THAT is the way the team is thinking, then it's understandable. At least we know then that there's a long-term focus rather than trying to goose a win or two in a lost year.
I just think 2 1/2 games isn't enough for Quinn, esp. because the defenses we saw the first 3 weeks are better than the one last week and this week. I'm not opposed to the DA move if the team goes back to Quinn in a few weeks (esp. if it's not against an elite team)... but they have to use this year to evaluate Quinn.
I still wonder how much this comes back to avoiding paying that escalator to a QB who they fear isn't in their long-term plans.
I still wonder how much this comes back to avoiding paying that escalator to a QB who they fear isn't in their long-term plans.
If it were about the escalator, they could play him every down for 9 games to see what he's got so "we know" then bench him. Heck they could play him for 12 games and go 0 and 12, then go to a 4 down pass every down game for the remaining 4 games to not pay the escalator. Face it, a QBs gotta at least be a threat to stretch the field to play in the NFL these days. Maybe the organization really does care about winning at least some.
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Whether or not Mangini gave Quinn an ample shot is certainly up for debate (he probably didn't), but that is of small consequence any more. This relationship is done as far as I can tell; there's no coming back from this, is there?
And as for the decision, it comes down to two things, each of which are tough to believe but one HAS to be true:
Either 1) Magini is a total idiot and botched this whole thing or 2) Quinn simply does not have it.
Is there even room for any middle ground? Middle ground would have been letting Quinn play through.
Whether or not Mangini gave Quinn an ample shot is certainly up for debate (he probably didn't), but that is of small consequence any more. This relationship is done as far as I can tell; there's no coming back from this, is there?
And as for the decision, it comes down to two things, each of which are tough to believe but one HAS to be true:
Either 1) Magini is a total idiot and botched this whole thing or 2) Quinn simply does not have it.
Is there even room for any middle ground? Middle ground would have been letting Quinn play through.
I think it's now obvious that Quinn doesn't have what it takes. While he only got 6 statts, this is his 3rd season.
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Maybe the organization really does care about winning at least some.
Cute, but irrational. The "organization" knows it isn't going to win this year as in make the playoffs.
The organization is probably trying to evaluate players as has been previously postulated in this thread. You know, build for future years.
With BQ being so tentative they felt they couldn't continue with him and/or they flat out blew the preseason evaluation leading to the belief that he's a full out bust. Either way, the offense looked better this past weekend as did the entire team's effort. If the catelyst was DA, great.
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Calling anyone who has played so few games in the NFL a bust is just ignorant. Like the guy or not, calling him a bust at this point is kind of out there.
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I think so little of Brady Quinn, and Brady Quinn has done so little to gain the attention of the franchise that I refuse to even talk about him again.
I'm not so certain that Ratliff ain't the back-up in the event that Anderson goes down.
I think so little of Brady Quinn, and Brady Quinn has done so little to gain the attention of the franchise that I refuse to even talk about him again.
I'm not so certain that Ratliff ain't the back-up in the event that Anderson goes down.
Or because you're an illogical hater, for no reason. Ever think of that?
Kid needs to get more than 5.5 games to show whether or not he's a bust or not.
I have no problem if he's a bust, but I'd at least like to find out.
xxxxtards like you are the reason why the fanbase are so messed up.
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