Bob Dole speaks
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Former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (R-Kans.) told a group of local Kansas reporters on Wednesday, that opposition to the president's health care package had been driven by knee-jerk partisanship and urged Congressional Republicans to get on board a version of reform.
The 1996 Republican presidential candidate also predicted, following a speech at a health care reform summit in Kansas, that "there will be a signing ceremony" for a reform bill sometime this year or early in 2010.
But the comments that seem likely to create the most ripples were those that dealt with congressional opposition to the White House. Dole, according to reports, framed the pushback to Barack Obama's reform agenda as almost perfunctory in nature.
"Sometimes people fight you just to fight you," he said, according to The Kansas City Star. "They don't want Reagan to get it, they don't want Obama to get it, so we've got to kill it...
"Health care is one of those things," he added. "Now we've got to do something."
Dole said he did not know what a final health care bill would look like, even though he was confident it would make it to the president's desk. His lament of the partisanship surrounding the health care debate, he hinted, came from going through a similarly taxing experience during the early years of the Clinton administration.
Discussing the failure to get a health care reform passed in 1993 and 1994, he said politics -- both from Congress and the White House -- was to blame. "Politics took over," he said. "And you lost."
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"Discussing the failure to get a health care reform passed in 1993 and 1994, he said politics -- both from Congress and the White House -- was to blame. "Politics took over," he said. "And you lost."
So you have the votes Heck.
The evil repubicans can't stop you.
Lets say you make a couple of those changes they keep asking for?
At least you'd shut 'em up and get your bill.
What's stopping you?
This:
1 You want the issue.
2 If it sucks you can blame the right.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
You can't be serious.
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Heck is saying the Republicans have the majority in both houses of Congress.
Ya, he knows what he's talking about? ROF,LMAO !
It's all on the Dems, Heck. No spin can avoid it.
right now, a lot of Dems know that the public option that
stipulates things like forcing employees to go to public hc
if they lose their job.... etc etc
voting for a bill they haven't read? Doesn't that make
even you, Heck, disagree with the leftists who WILL vote for it without READING IT?
You can't be serious.
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You can't be serious.
You can't be serious.
Actually Heck it's you who doesn't seem to be serious.
You carp about "politics" standing in the way of health care reform and you're completely oblivious to your party's hand in that.
You carp about evil republican trying to scuttle Obama's bi partisan dream but offer not one single serious compromise.
You get your panties in a bunch whenever any non democrat expresses support for some kind of reform but NONE seem to be on board with any of the possible dem plans.
The politics most apparently in play involve the idea that your guys want to pass anything regardless of outcome or merit so you can boast.
Further I say you're well aware of that.
Pretending to work hard to give people benefits that you know aren't going to come to pass is beyond cynical.
WSS
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Sorry, Steve. Once again, I just think you're completely wrong. You see the world through a very strange lens, and the Democratic Party through the most jaundiced eyes imaginable. It's like you were molested by a Kennedy.
I mean, your options 1 and 2 are completely wrong. In both cases the opposite is true. Democrats have, for years, wanted to pass health care reform. It's an issue that's very important to the base of the party, and the country at large. To suggest that they don't want to pass it in order to "have the issue" is just more of your usual grumbling, where you assume everyone who is in this business is as cynical and nihilistic as you, or worse. And then you can them cynical!
I enjoyed that.
The second contention is also completely wrong. If this bill passes with no Republican support, or with the support of one moderate Republican Senator from Maine, it will be an entirely Democratic bill signed by a Democratic president. How do you suspect that they're going to blame the effects of the bill on Republicans? It's their bill. It's their law.
As for Republican ideas, there are a bunch of them in the Baucus bill, and yet there is still no Republican support - except from Republicans out of office. (What does that tell you?) But I guess you didn't know that.
Republicans are in districts and states where the majority of people think like you and Cal and John. Their political incentive is to never work with Obama, as he is the worst president ever/socialist/Hitler/not even from this country.
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Sorry, Steve. Once again, I just think you're completely wrong. You see the world through a very strange lens, and the Democratic Party through the most jaundiced eyes imaginable. It's like you were molested by a Kennedy.
I mean, your options 1 and 2 are completely wrong. In both cases the opposite is true. Democrats have, for years, wanted to pass health care reform. It's an issue that's very important to the base of the party, and the country at large. To suggest that they don't want to pass it in order to "have the issue" is just more of your usual grumbling, where you assume everyone who is in this business is as cynical and nihilistic as you, or worse. And then you can them cynical!
I enjoyed that.
The second contention is also completely wrong. If this bill passes with no Republican support, or with the support of one moderate Republican Senator from Maine, it will be an entirely Democratic bill signed by a Democratic president. How do you suspect that they're going to blame the effects of the bill on Republicans? It's their bill. It's their law.
As for Republican ideas, there are a bunch of them in the Baucus bill, and yet there is still no Republican support - except from Republicans out of office. (What does that tell you?) But I guess you didn't know that.
Republicans are in districts and states where the majority of people think like you and Cal and John. Their political incentive is to never work with Obama, as he is the worst president ever/socialist/Hitler/not even from this country.
Sorry, Steve. Once again, I just think you're completely wrong. You see the world through a very strange lens, and the Democratic Party through the most jaundiced eyes imaginable. It's like you were molested by a Kennedy.
Oh please Heck.
Your constant "white hat black hat" comparisons are neverending.
I mean, your options 1 and 2 are completely wrong. In both cases the opposite is true. Democrats have, for years, wanted to pass health care reform. It's an issue that's very important to the base of the party, and the country at large. To suggest that they don't want to pass it in order to "have the issue" is just more of your usual grumbling, where you assume everyone who is in this business is as cynical and nihilistic as you, or worse. And then you can them cynical!
I do indeed.
You guys are at least as much to blame. Sorry the blinders obscure that.
I enjoyed that.
Well good.
The second contention is also completely wrong. If this bill passes with no Republican support, or with the support of one moderate Republican Senator from Maine, it will be an entirely Democratic bill signed by a Democratic president. How do you suspect that they're going to blame the effects of the bill on Republicans? It's their bill. It's their law.
Listen closely.
YOu guys want the repubicans on board so if and when it crashes and burns (or most likely fails to deliver on the "hope and change" )you've sold you can say "Look, they helped f*ck it up."
Like the stimulus.
Can't say both sides didn't contribute eh?
As for Republican ideas, there are a bunch of them in the Baucus bill, and yet there is still no Republican support - except from Republicans out of office. (What does that tell you?) But I guess you didn't know that.
Tells me you're malking it up.
What are they, these big compromises?
Serious torte reform?
Licencing companies federally as opposed to by state?
Or some watered down bullshit?
List 'em.
Republicans are in districts and states where the majority of people think like you and Cal and John. Their political incentive is to never work with Obama, as he is the worst president ever/socialist/Hitler/not even from this country.
Great.
The usual non response we expect from you.
Thanks genius.
Oooh you forgot to rag on Limbaugh.
WSS
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"Discussing the failure to get a health care reform passed in 1993 and 1994, he said politics -- both from Congress and the White House -- was to blame. "Politics took over," he said. "And you lost."
So you have the votes Heck.
The evil repubicans can't stop you.
Lets say you make a couple of those changes they keep asking for?
At least you'd shut 'em up and get your bill.
What's stopping you?
This:
1 You want the issue.
2 If it sucks you can blame the right.
WSS
"Discussing the failure to get a health care reform passed in 1993 and 1994, he said politics -- both from Congress and the White House -- was to blame. "Politics took over," he said. "And you lost."
So you have the votes Heck.
The evil repubicans can't stop you.
Lets say you make a couple of those changes they keep asking for?
At least you'd shut 'em up and get your bill.
What's stopping you?
This:
1 You want the issue.
2 If it sucks you can blame the right.
WSS
It is kinda funny cos one of Jon Stewart's show actually portrayed the same thing ... are u jon stewart in disguise ?
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"Discussing the failure to get a health care reform passed in 1993 and 1994, he said politics -- both from Congress and the White House -- was to blame. "Politics took over," he said. "And you lost."
So you have the votes Heck.
The evil repubicans can't stop you.
Lets say you make a couple of those changes they keep asking for?
At least you'd shut 'em up and get your bill.
What's stopping you?
This:
1 You want the issue.
2 If it sucks you can blame the right.
WSS
It is kinda funny cos one of Jon Stewart's show actually portrayed the same thing ... are u jon stewart in disguise ?
It is kinda funny cos one of Jon Stewart's show actually portrayed the same thing ... are u jon stewart in disguise ?
Sorry.
Didn't see it, but I'm hardly Jon Stewart.
I sing better.
WSS
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Are you ready, Steve? Not that it's going to make any difference.
- Republicans, specifically Olympia Snowe, asked to have the public option taken out of the Baucus Bill because Republicans didn't support it. It's out. How you miss this huge concession, perhaps the biggest of all, is beyond me. Obviously, my hope is that the reconciled bill puts it back in, since there's no need to concede to people who aren't going to vote for the plan anyway. But this didn't get the bill any Republican support.
- John Thune, a Republican from South Dakota, asked for an amendment to allow companies to buy insurance across state lines, which is one of the main pillars of Republican health care reform plans, like the one Bobby Jindal proposed in the WSJ the other day, or the one McCain proposed in the campaign. This proposal was included in the Baucus bill. Still no Republican support.
Also funny, since above you complained that the bill doesn't include this:
"Tells me you're malking it up.
What are they, these big compromises?
...Licencing companies federally as opposed to by state?
Um, yeah. It's on page 12, under the title "Interstate Sale of Insurance". You can look it up yourself. Really, you probably shouldn't be rolling your eyes and challenging me to "list 'em" when you don't know what you're talking about. It's just embarrassing for you.
So you had that wrong. But let's continue.
- John McCain (and Eric Cantor in the House) both asked for high-risk pools for people who have been denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, and have them be run at the state rather than federal level. That's in the Baucus bill. Still no Republican support.
- Republicans wanted a means to verify citizenship so that no illegal aliens would be allowed to receive subsidies, even though the Democratic plan already banned them from receiving subsidies. Even though all it's going to do is make it harder for legal immigrants to get coverage while catching maybe a handful of people. (Remember the GAO study? 8 million dollars to catch 8 illegals. Money well spent?) But it doesn't matter. The Baucus bill has that, too. Still no Republican support.
- Republicans asked for a ban on any federal subsidies to provide abortion services. That's in the Baucus Bill. Still no Republican support.
- Republicans, specifically Mike Pence, wanted to give young, healthy people the option of buying cheaper, high-deductible policies, or catastrophic insurance, rather than joining the larger insurance pool. That's included in the Baucus bill. Still no Republican support.
- Republicans (as well as many Democrats, including Obama) demanded that the plan not add to the federal deficit. That's part of the bill. There's even a mechanism that reduces benefit levels should the costs grow more than forecast to maintain budget neutrality. That's a Republican plan too. (And a dumb one.) Still no Republican support.
But yes, other than that, there are no Republican ideas in the Baucus bill.
Again, Steve, just because you don't follow this stuff very closely, that doesn't mean nobody does. Just like every other debate we have, you like to have them on a very basic level, and cram them into your tiny prism of how you think people are, and how Democrats work.
That's not my problem.
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More Bob Dole: "This is one of the most important measures members of Congress will vote on in their lifetimes," the former Republican Senate majority leader and presidential candidate told an audience in Kansas City today. "If we don't do it this year I don't know when we're gonna do it."
Socialist.
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Are you ready, Steve? Not that it's going to make any difference.
- Republicans, specifically Olympia Snowe, asked to have the public option taken out of the Baucus Bill because Republicans didn't support it. It's out. How you miss this huge concession, perhaps the biggest of all, is beyond me. Obviously, my hope is that the reconciled bill puts it back in, since there's no need to concede to people who aren't going to vote for the plan anyway. But this didn't get the bill any Republican support.
- John Thune, a Republican from South Dakota, asked for an amendment to allow companies to buy insurance across state lines, which is one of the main pillars of Republican health care reform plans, like the one Bobby Jindal proposed in the WSJ the other day, or the one McCain proposed in the campaign. This proposal was included in the Baucus bill. Still no Republican support.
Also funny, since above you complained that the bill doesn't include this:
"Tells me you're malking it up.
What are they, these big compromises?
...Licencing companies federally as opposed to by state?
Um, yeah. It's on page 12, under the title "Interstate Sale of Insurance". You can look it up yourself. Really, you probably shouldn't be rolling your eyes and challenging me to "list 'em" when you don't know what you're talking about. It's just embarrassing for you.
So you had that wrong. But let's continue.
- John McCain (and Eric Cantor in the House) both asked for high-risk pools for people who have been denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, and have them be run at the state rather than federal level. That's in the Baucus bill. Still no Republican support.
- Republicans wanted a means to verify citizenship so that no illegal aliens would be allowed to receive subsidies, even though the Democratic plan already banned them from receiving subsidies. Even though all it's going to do is make it harder for legal immigrants to get coverage while catching maybe a handful of people. (Remember the GAO study? 8 million dollars to catch 8 illegals. Money well spent?) But it doesn't matter. The Baucus bill has that, too. Still no Republican support.
- Republicans asked for a ban on any federal subsidies to provide abortion services. That's in the Baucus Bill. Still no Republican support.
- Republicans, specifically Mike Pence, wanted to give young, healthy people the option of buying cheaper, high-deductible policies, or catastrophic insurance, rather than joining the larger insurance pool. That's included in the Baucus bill. Still no Republican support.
- Republicans (as well as many Democrats, including Obama) demanded that the plan not add to the federal deficit. That's part of the bill. There's even a mechanism that reduces benefit levels should the costs grow more than forecast to maintain budget neutrality. That's a Republican plan too. (And a dumb one.) Still no Republican support.
But yes, other than that, there are no Republican ideas in the Baucus bill.
Again, Steve, just because you don't follow this stuff very closely, that doesn't mean nobody does. Just like every other debate we have, you like to have them on a very basic level, and cram them into your tiny prism of how you think people are, and how Democrats work.
That's not my problem.
Are you ready, Steve? Not that it's going to make any difference.
Nope.
(even though most of this is just an efffort to get your own guys on board, because the constituents don't want it forced on them)
Your regurgitation of soft facts is as reassuring as asking a used car salesman why the clunker he has for sale is a great deal.
But lets look a little further.
- Republicans, specifically Olympia Snowe, asked to have the public option taken out of the Baucus Bill because Republicans didn't support it. It's out. How you miss this huge concession, perhaps the biggest of all, is beyond me. Obviously, my hope is that the reconciled bill puts it back in, since there's no need to concede to people who aren't going to vote for the plan anyway. But this didn't get the bill any Republican support.
Rock ribbed conservative Snow!!
But wait...
Heck says there will be a public option.
He's bet 100$.
So that one's meaningless.
- John Thune, a Republican from South Dakota, asked for an amendment to allow companies to buy insurance across state lines, which is one of the main pillars of Republican health care reform plans, like the one Bobby Jindal proposed in the WSJ the other day, or the one McCain proposed in the campaign. This proposal was included in the Baucus bill. Still no Republican support.
We'll see if it stands.
Seems pretty soft and easily skirted to me.
>> Starting in 2015, states may form ―health care choice compacts to allow for the purchase of individual health insurance across state lines…. Once compacts have been agreed to, insurers would be allowed to sell policies in any state participating in the compact.” (pg. 12)
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Also funny, since above you complained that the bill doesn't include this:
"Tells me you're making it up.
What are they, these big compromises?
...Licencing companies federally as opposed to by state?
Um, yeah. It's on page 12, under the title "Interstate Sale of Insurance". You can look it up yourself. Really, you probably shouldn't be rolling your eyes and challenging me to "list 'em" when you don't know what you're talking about. It's just embarrassing for you.
So you had that wrong. But let's continue.
See above.
- John McCain (and Eric Cantor in the House) both asked for high-risk pools for people who have been denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, and have them be run at the state rather than federal level. That's in the Baucus bill. Still no Republican support.
Uh they can do that now.
Open enrollment.
It's just ridiculously expensive for good reason.
Understand?
- Republicans wanted a means to verify citizenship so that no illegal aliens would be allowed to receive subsidies, even though the Democratic plan already banned them from receiving subsidies. Even though all it's going to do is make it harder for legal immigrants to get coverage while catching maybe a handful of people. (Remember the GAO study? 8 million dollars to catch 8 illegals. Money well spent?) But it doesn't matter. The Baucus bill has that, too. Still no Republican support.
If Obama is the constitutional scjholar you think he is you'll know that's not likely to get past the supreme court.
Failed efforts to deny illegals public services sound familiar to you?
- Republicans asked for a ban on any federal subsidies to provide abortion services. That's in the Baucus Bill. Still no Republican support.
That one is bogus.
Of course the door is open to pay for abortion.
- Republicans, specifically Mike Pence, wanted to give young, healthy people the option of buying cheaper, high-deductible policies, or catastrophic insurance, rather than joining the larger insurance pool. That's included in the Baucus bill. Still no Republican support.
Again that's available now. Again they don't want to buy ANY plan.
- Republicans (as well as many Democrats, including Obama) demanded that the plan not add to the federal deficit. That's part of the bill. There's even a mechanism that reduces benefit levels should the costs grow more than forecast to maintain budget neutrality. That's a Republican plan too. (And a dumb one.) Still no Republican support.
LOL But it will.
Everybody with a brain knows that.
But yes, other than that, there are no Republican ideas in the Baucus bill.
So far you have one proposal that seems to have been addressed, the selling over state lines.
We'll see how that ends up.
And avoided even mentioning real torte reform.
Plenty of punishment for evil insurance workers, investors and doctors but none for the trial lawyer pigs!!
Again, Steve, just because you don't follow this stuff very closely, that doesn't mean nobody does.
You just follow the talking points. That's not a very deep well.
Just like every other debate we have, you like to have them on a very basic level, and cram them into your tiny prism of how you think people are, and how Democrats work.
Again Heck all you know is the bullet points from the Democrat sales manual.
And like every debate you see it as a good guys V bad guys issue no matter what is on the table.
That's not my problem.
No it isn't.
It's our problem.
You are a true believer.
Obama/Dems = good helpul.
Republicans = mean selfish.
What ? Heck worry?
And no Heck.
No republican support because
A they ain't gonna let Obama pass anything if they can stop it.
Remember the last 8 years?.
B the bill sucks in the end.
Like asking you to support the death penalty if I let you paint the electric chair your favorite color.
WSS
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Like I said, it isn't going to make any difference.
Some of these objections were flat out funny. The "states may" one was my favorite. And Republican Olympia Snowe doesn't count as a Republican because you think she's too moderate. (Nevermind that the rest of the Republicans also objected.) Nor do you seem to know the difference between the public option that was rejected and the compromise options that are now being proposed. But then we're back to your problem with distinctions, from which much of your idiocy stems.
And no, the high-risk pools in the bill aren't the same ones you're talking about. It's an entirely new plan.
And there are certain states that have verification measures for illegals right now. They waste a lot of money, as we discussed. But they sure are tough on illegals! (And legals.) How can this be if they're so obviously unconstitutional? Beats the hell out of me.
I also like the continued insistence from Republicans like you that what's wrong with our health care system is we haven't had tort reform. It's the drum you guys have been beating since the 90s, along with "We have the best health care in the world!" and "Something, something, hip replacement in Canada." It's just an indication of how unserious the party is, and how little they know or care, about health care reform. Or just look at what's happened in states where they have the tort reform you speak of. It doesn't have any meaningful effect on insurance premiums.
But yes, I'm sure if we add some Republican tort reform fantasy into the bill then we'll see them clamoring to sign on. And yes, I think people like you, always on about whiners and complainers, are the ones we should trust with the problems of people who have been genuinely affected by medical malpractice. I can tell you're really concerned.
That said, I think there's a lot of waste caused by defensive medicine and we need a better system with better incentives for both doctors/hospitals and the victims of malpractice.
So yes, Steve, other than you being way off on everything, I think I made some real headway.
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there really is an easy way to show true direction from either party..... What Bill exactly with details have the Republicans pushed for health care reform?
the republicans have not because they dont have a plan except for political opposition for purely political gain, with the side benefit of reaping contributions from healthcare lobbyists....
Its always in the details... which is something the right wing does not have..... for obvious reasons.
come on Steve the right was against medicare/medicaid nothing has changed the political ideologies and all of this "movement"/astroturfing is the same moves they made against medicare..... the same solialist scare charges etc...
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there really is an easy way to show true direction from either party..... What Bill exactly with details have the Republicans pushed for health care reform?
the republicans have not because they dont have a plan except for political opposition for purely political gain, with the side benefit of reaping contributions from healthcare lobbyists....
Its always in the details... which is something the right wing does not have..... for obvious reasons.
come on Steve the right was against medicare/medicaid nothing has changed the political ideologies and all of this "movement"/astroturfing is the same moves they made against medicare..... the same solialist scare charges etc...
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I wouldn't mind so much if Republicans voted against the Democrats' plan (after all, that's certainly their right) if they'd made a single effort at real reform while they were in charge. I can think of one major Republican who really takes health care policy seriously, and that's Bobby Jindal. I'm sure there are others - Mitt Romney helped devise a decent but flawed system in Massachusetts. But it's a very small list, which is pretty embarrassing for a major party.
I'd also take them a little more seriously if they'd just come out and say that they don't care or even want all Americans to have health insurance. There's simply no "market" solution that gets us to universal health care, or even close. The solution has to involve government - government programs, government mandates, government funds.
The ideological blinders that have been put on this generation of Republicans - and it is a fairly new phenomenon - keep them from addressing too many of our nation's problems.
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Like I said, it isn't going to make any difference.
Some of these objections were flat out funny. The "states may" one was my favorite. And Republican Olympia Snowe doesn't count as a Republican because you think she's too moderate. (Nevermind that the rest of the Republicans also objected.) Nor do you seem to know the difference between the public option that was rejected and the compromise options that are now being proposed. But then we're back to your problem with distinctions, from which much of your idiocy stems.
And no, the high-risk pools in the bill aren't the same ones you're talking about. It's an entirely new plan.
And there are certain states that have verification measures for illegals right now. They waste a lot of money, as we discussed. But they sure are tough on illegals! (And legals.) How can this be if they're so obviously unconstitutional? Beats the hell out of me.
I also like the continued insistence from Republicans like you that what's wrong with our health care system is we haven't had tort reform. It's the drum you guys have been beating since the 90s, along with "We have the best health care in the world!" and "Something, something, hip replacement in Canada." It's just an indication of how unserious the party is, and how little they know or care, about health care reform. Or just look at what's happened in states where they have the tort reform you speak of. It doesn't have any meaningful effect on insurance premiums.
But yes, I'm sure if we add some Republican tort reform fantasy into the bill then we'll see them clamoring to sign on. And yes, I think people like you, always on about whiners and complainers, are the ones we should trust with the problems of people who have been genuinely affected by medical malpractice. I can tell you're really concerned.
That said, I think there's a lot of waste caused by defensive medicine and we need a better system with better incentives for both doctors/hospitals and the victims of malpractice.
So yes, Steve, other than you being way off on everything, I think I made some real headway.
Like I said, it isn't going to make any difference.
Some of these objections were flat out funny. The "states may" one was my favorite. And Republican Olympia Snowe doesn't count as a Republican because you think she's too moderate. (Nevermind that the rest of the Republicans also objected.)
Not to mention your own guys.
Don't get ahead of yourself.
Snow or no Snow, you said the public option is removed.
Then you say it'll be back in.
Great.
Then who cares what your talking points say?
C'mon.
And no kiddijng.
The states MAY choose to give up sovereignty allow interstate sales?
Well goodie.
That's in stone.
Monkeys MIGHT fly outta my ass.
WSS
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I wouldn't mind so much if Republicans voted against the Democrats' plan (after all, that's certainly their right) if they'd made a single effort at real reform while they were in charge. I can think of one major Republican who really takes health care policy seriously, and that's Bobby Jindal. I'm sure there are others - Mitt Romney helped devise a decent but flawed system in Massachusetts. But it's a very small list, which is pretty embarrassing for a major party.
I'd also take them a little more seriously if they'd just come out and say that they don't care or even want all Americans to have health insurance. There's simply no "market" solution that gets us to universal health care, or even close. The solution has to involve government - government programs, government mandates, government funds.
The ideological blinders that have been put on this generation of Republicans - and it is a fairly new phenomenon - keep them from addressing too many of our nation's problems.
The ideological blinders that have been put on this generation of Republicans - and it is a fairly new phenomenon - keep them from addressing too many of our nation's problems.
The political blinders keep guys like you from admitting that medical services are worth something.
How dare you ask someone to pay!!!!!!!!!
It has to be free.
WSS
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Like I said, it isn't going to make any difference.
Some of these objections were flat out funny. The "states may" one was my favorite. And Republican Olympia Snowe doesn't count as a Republican because you think she's too moderate. (Nevermind that the rest of the Republicans also objected.) Nor do you seem to know the difference between the public option that was rejected and the compromise options that are now being proposed. But then we're back to your problem with distinctions, from which much of your idiocy stems.
And no, the high-risk pools in the bill aren't the same ones you're talking about. It's an entirely new plan.
And there are certain states that have verification measures for illegals right now. They waste a lot of money, as we discussed. But they sure are tough on illegals! (And legals.) How can this be if they're so obviously unconstitutional? Beats the hell out of me.
I also like the continued insistence from Republicans like you that what's wrong with our health care system is we haven't had tort reform. It's the drum you guys have been beating since the 90s, along with "We have the best health care in the world!" and "Something, something, hip replacement in Canada." It's just an indication of how unserious the party is, and how little they know or care, about health care reform. Or just look at what's happened in states where they have the tort reform you speak of. It doesn't have any meaningful effect on insurance premiums.
But yes, I'm sure if we add some Republican tort reform fantasy into the bill then we'll see them clamoring to sign on. And yes, I think people like you, always on about whiners and complainers, are the ones we should trust with the problems of people who have been genuinely affected by medical malpractice. I can tell you're really concerned.
That said, I think there's a lot of waste caused by defensive medicine and we need a better system with better incentives for both doctors/hospitals and the victims of malpractice.
So yes, Steve, other than you being way off on everything, I think I made some real headway.
Like I said, it isn't going to make any difference.
I also like the continued insistence from Republicans like you that what's wrong with our health care system is we haven't had tort reform.
Then spit out the trial lawyers dicks and pass it.
Problem solved, right?
WSS
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Why ...do ...I ...bother?
Because the public option they took out won't be the same one they end up putting back in.
They will be different public options.
Different plans.
In other words, they will be set up differently, and accomplish different things.
As in, this isn't what progressives hoped for in a public option, but will be a compromise in order to secure 60 votes in the Senate.
Sort of like how Honda and Kia are both carmakers, but their operations are totally different, as is the result.
It's really not that hard to make this distinction. Even for you. I think.
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