Oh no, we don't have a superstar
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We are not the New England Patriots and I am sick and tired of us trying to be the Patriots, let us be the Cleveland Browns
Sony...come on. We have known all along that Mangini's style is patterned after his mentor (duh). So, if we mimic their path to success, what does it matter as long as it works.
I, for one, love the 'no superstar' approach. It went 14-0 for the Dolphins (remember, no name defense, not a single HOF player on it) and it worked pretty good for NE on offense for years (looking at what happened last year I am even MORE convinced Tom Brady is a product of a system).
So, if you want to call it copy cat...go ahead...but this IS a copy cat league.
Sony...come on. We have known all along that Mangini's style is patterned after his mentor (duh). So, if we mimic their path to success, what does it matter as long as it works.
I, for one, love the 'no superstar' approach. It went 14-0 for the Dolphins (remember, no name defense, not a single HOF player on it) and it worked pretty good for NE on offense for years (looking at what happened last year I am even MORE convinced Tom Brady is a product of a system).
So, if you want to call it copy cat...go ahead...but this IS a copy cat league.
How often does that copy cat work out? Not a lot.
The 1972 Dolphins also this had this guy on D, Buonticonti, Nick (LB in HOF). It also isn't 1972 anymore, of the 80's for that matter.
I agree with you that Brady might be a product of the system, though I don't fully buy that.
I like the no superstar approach as much as you might, but it doesnt' mean it really works. I go back to the last 10 years and the only team that kind of worked for is NE.
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OMG I just looked up all of Massoquois 40 times and they're HORRENDOUS
He has some 4.7's some 4.6's and one 4.5 He is Waaaaay slower than Robiskie
Jerry Rice didn't have very good 40 YD times.
Jerry Rice didn't have very good 40 YD times.
Thats exactly my point, Robiskie could be the best wideout we have.
Im not even an OSU fan, but im sick of people calling him slow, and the fact that he wont stretch the field. Both of which are very untrue.
People are saying MM will stretch the field and Robiskie wont, yet he's slower and not as big as Robiskie, doesnt make sense
thats all im trying to point out
(plus im an Anquan Boldin fan and he ran a 4.72)
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Jerry Rice didn't have very good 40 YD times.
Thats exactly my point, Robiskie could be the best wideout we have.
Im not even an OSU fan, but im sick of people calling him slow, and the fact that he wont stretch the field. Both of which are very untrue.
People are saying MM will stretch the field and Robiskie wont, yet he's slower and not as big as Robiskie, doesnt make sense
thats all im trying to point out
(plus im an Anquan Boldin fan and he ran a 4.72)
Thats exactly my point, Robiskie could be the best wideout we have.
Im not even an OSU fan, but im sick of people calling him slow, and the fact that he wont stretch the field. Both of which are very untrue.
People are saying MM will stretch the field and Robiskie wont, yet he's slower and not as big as Robiskie, doesnt make sense
thats all im trying to point out
(plus im an Anquan Boldin fan and he ran a 4.72)
Keep in mind, there is 40 times on a track in shorts, and there is football speed in pads.
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We are not the New England Patriots and I am sick and tired of us trying to be the Patriots, let us be the Cleveland Browns
Sony...come on. We have known all along that Mangini's style is patterned after his mentor (duh). So, if we mimic their path to success, what does it matter as long as it works.
I, for one, love the 'no superstar' approach. It went 14-0 for the Dolphins (remember, no name defense, not a single HOF player on it) and it worked pretty good for NE on offense for years (looking at what happened last year I am even MORE convinced Tom Brady is a product of a system).
So, if you want to call it copy cat...go ahead...but this IS a copy cat league.
Sony...come on. We have known all along that Mangini's style is patterned after his mentor (duh). So, if we mimic their path to success, what does it matter as long as it works.
I, for one, love the 'no superstar' approach. It went 14-0 for the Dolphins (remember, no name defense, not a single HOF player on it) and it worked pretty good for NE on offense for years (looking at what happened last year I am even MORE convinced Tom Brady is a product of a system).
So, if you want to call it copy cat...go ahead...but this IS a copy cat league.
John, we have tried the Patriot way with RAC and it did not work and now we are trying it again and its not going to work because there is only 1 Billy B and Eric Mangini or none of the other Belichek former assistants is making anybody think they are the next Belichek.
The Pittsburgh Steelers hae been as successful as the Patriots yet I don't see anyone trying to be like the Steelers which amazes me
Tell me why nobody wants to be like the Colts, Titans, Giants or Eagles who like the Steelers I would be trying to copy
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Jerry Rice didn't have very good 40 YD times.
Thats exactly my point, Robiskie could be the best wideout we have.
Im not even an OSU fan, but im sick of people calling him slow, and the fact that he wont stretch the field. Both of which are very untrue.
People are saying MM will stretch the field and Robiskie wont, yet he's slower and not as big as Robiskie, doesnt make sense
thats all im trying to point out
(plus im an Anquan Boldin fan and he ran a 4.72)
Thats exactly my point, Robiskie could be the best wideout we have.
Im not even an OSU fan, but im sick of people calling him slow, and the fact that he wont stretch the field. Both of which are very untrue.
People are saying MM will stretch the field and Robiskie wont, yet he's slower and not as big as Robiskie, doesnt make sense
thats all im trying to point out
(plus im an Anquan Boldin fan and he ran a 4.72)
Dude, Robiske is as good as he will ever be and he was not a dominant receiver at Ohio State another product of people on this board overrating Ohio State players, where is Antione Pittman now? out of the league and we had posters who wanted the Browns to draft this guy
Robiske can't get separation against NFL corners thats why he is not playing, I attended practice many days and saw this with my own eyes not reading a newspaper
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We are not the New England Patriots and I am sick and tired of us trying to be the Patriots, let us be the Cleveland Browns
Sony...come on. We have known all along that Mangini's style is patterned after his mentor (duh). So, if we mimic their path to success, what does it matter as long as it works.
I, for one, love the 'no superstar' approach. It went 14-0 for the Dolphins (remember, no name defense, not a single HOF player on it) and it worked pretty good for NE on offense for years (looking at what happened last year I am even MORE convinced Tom Brady is a product of a system).
So, if you want to call it copy cat...go ahead...but this IS a copy cat league.
Sony...come on. We have known all along that Mangini's style is patterned after his mentor (duh). So, if we mimic their path to success, what does it matter as long as it works.
I, for one, love the 'no superstar' approach. It went 14-0 for the Dolphins (remember, no name defense, not a single HOF player on it) and it worked pretty good for NE on offense for years (looking at what happened last year I am even MORE convinced Tom Brady is a product of a system).
So, if you want to call it copy cat...go ahead...but this IS a copy cat league.
IF that line about Brady is true, BB would be really wise to trade him for a few first rounders here soon and get some pieces for the future.
It would be the Gretzky deal of our time.
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Sony...come on. We have known all along that Mangini's style is patterned after his mentor (duh). So, if we mimic their path to success, what does it matter as long as it works.
I, for one, love the 'no superstar' approach. It went 14-0 for the Dolphins (remember, no name defense, not a single HOF player on it) and it worked pretty good for NE on offense for years (looking at what happened last year I am even MORE convinced Tom Brady is a product of a system).
So, if you want to call it copy cat...go ahead...but this IS a copy cat league.
John, we have tried the Patriot way with RAC and it did not work and now we are trying it again and its not going to work because there is only 1 Billy B and Eric Mangini or none of the other Belichek former assistants is making anybody think they are the next Belichek.
The Pittsburgh Steelers hae been as successful as the Patriots yet I don't see anyone trying to be like the Steelers which amazes me
Tell me why nobody wants to be like the Colts, Titans, Giants or Eagles who like the Steelers I would be trying to copy
John, we have tried the Patriot way with RAC and it did not work and now we are trying it again and its not going to work because there is only 1 Billy B and Eric Mangini or none of the other Belichek former assistants is making anybody think they are the next Belichek.
The Pittsburgh Steelers hae been as successful as the Patriots yet I don't see anyone trying to be like the Steelers which amazes me
Tell me why nobody wants to be like the Colts, Titans, Giants or Eagles who like the Steelers I would be trying to copy
No, we didn't really...because RAC was saddled with Savage who didn't necessarily give him the players he wanted. The overall dysfunction between Savage and RAC easily overwhelmed any attempt by RAC to do the NE way. Just look at some of the draft picks made by Savage and ask yourself if NE would ever have done that.
BQ is prime example. NE would NEVER have given up a 1st the next year to get a player. NEVER!!!
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Thats exactly my point, Robiskie could be the best wideout we have.
Im not even an OSU fan, but im sick of people calling him slow, and the fact that he wont stretch the field. Both of which are very untrue.
People are saying MM will stretch the field and Robiskie wont, yet he's slower and not as big as Robiskie, doesnt make sense
thats all im trying to point out
(plus im an Anquan Boldin fan and he ran a 4.72)
Dude, Robiske is as good as he will ever be and he was not a dominant receiver at Ohio State another product of people on this board overrating Ohio State players, where is Antione Pittman now? out of the league and we had posters who wanted the Browns to draft this guy
Robiske can't get separation against NFL corners thats why he is not playing, I attended practice many days and saw this with my own eyes not reading a newspaper
Dude, Robiske is as good as he will ever be and he was not a dominant receiver at Ohio State another product of people on this board overrating Ohio State players, where is Antione Pittman now? out of the league and we had posters who wanted the Browns to draft this guy
Robiske can't get separation against NFL corners thats why he is not playing, I attended practice many days and saw this with my own eyes not reading a newspaper
So...Mangini is listening to this board (and other OSU homer boards) to make draft decisions?
Remember, Robiskie was drafted at #36. It seems SOMEONE thinks he is
A ) Pretty good now
B ) Shows that he can improve
Teams won't draft someone at #36 who they think is as good as he'll ever be. He hasn't even hit his physcial peak yet.
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Dude, Robiske is as good as he will ever be and he was not a dominant receiver at Ohio State another product of people on this board overrating Ohio State players, where is Antione Pittman now? out of the league and we had posters who wanted the Browns to draft this guy
Robiske can't get separation against NFL corners thats why he is not playing, I attended practice many days and saw this with my own eyes not reading a newspaper
So...Mangini is listening to this board (and other OSU homer boards) to make draft decisions?
Remember, Robiskie was drafted at #36. It seems SOMEONE thinks he is
A ) Pretty good now
B ) Shows that he can improve
Teams won't draft someone at #36 who they think is as good as he'll ever be. He hasn't even hit his physcial peak yet.
So...Mangini is listening to this board (and other OSU homer boards) to make draft decisions?
Remember, Robiskie was drafted at #36. It seems SOMEONE thinks he is
A ) Pretty good now
B ) Shows that he can improve
Teams won't draft someone at #36 who they think is as good as he'll ever be. He hasn't even hit his physcial peak yet.
Robiske SUCKS and you will soon find out when he gets on the field
Guy was not dominant at Ohio State and now you think he will become a good NFL player
Most NFL ready receiver scouting reports said.....How did that turn out for you...ha ha ha
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OMG I just looked up all of Massoquois 40 times and they're HORRENDOUS
He has some 4.7's some 4.6's and one 4.5 He is Waaaaay slower than Robiskie
Jerry Rice didn't have very good 40 YD times.
Jerry Rice didn't have very good 40 YD times.
Neither did Steve Largent.
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So...Mangini is listening to this board (and other OSU homer boards) to make draft decisions?
Remember, Robiskie was drafted at #36. It seems SOMEONE thinks he is
A ) Pretty good now
B ) Shows that he can improve
Teams won't draft someone at #36 who they think is as good as he'll ever be. He hasn't even hit his physcial peak yet.
Robiske SUCKS and you will soon find out when he gets on the field
Guy was not dominant at Ohio State and now you think he will become a good NFL player
Most NFL ready receiver scouting reports said.....How did that turn out for you...ha ha ha
Robiske SUCKS and you will soon find out when he gets on the field
Guy was not dominant at Ohio State and now you think he will become a good NFL player
Most NFL ready receiver scouting reports said.....How did that turn out for you...ha ha ha
Don't be a moron. We have no idea of Robo's potential yet.
I'm willing to be you're dead wrong.
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So...Mangini is listening to this board (and other OSU homer boards) to make draft decisions?
Remember, Robiskie was drafted at #36. It seems SOMEONE thinks he is
A ) Pretty good now
B ) Shows that he can improve
Teams won't draft someone at #36 who they think is as good as he'll ever be. He hasn't even hit his physcial peak yet.
Robiske SUCKS and you will soon find out when he gets on the field
Guy was not dominant at Ohio State and now you think he will become a good NFL player
Most NFL ready receiver scouting reports said.....How did that turn out for you...ha ha ha
Guy was not dominant at Ohio State and now you think he will become a good NFL player
To be fair, it's a bit hard to be dominate at WR when you have Boeckman and Pryor throwing passes to you for the 2 years you were a starter.
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So...Mangini is listening to this board (and other OSU homer boards) to make draft decisions?
Remember, Robiskie was drafted at #36. It seems SOMEONE thinks he is
A ) Pretty good now
B ) Shows that he can improve
Teams won't draft someone at #36 who they think is as good as he'll ever be. He hasn't even hit his physcial peak yet.
Robiske SUCKS and you will soon find out when he gets on the field
Guy was not dominant at Ohio State and now you think he will become a good NFL player
Most NFL ready receiver scouting reports said.....How did that turn out for you...ha ha ha
Robiske SUCKS and you will soon find out when he gets on the field
Guy was not dominant at Ohio State and now you think he will become a good NFL player
Most NFL ready receiver scouting reports said.....How did that turn out for you...ha ha ha
You didn't address my point, did you?
How can Robiskie be a product of 'over hyping' by this board. Are you suggesting that coaches are getting their drafting advice from fan boards?
We'll never know he sucks until he plays, will we?
Frankly, I'm not expecting him to be that good as it takes most receivers a couple of years to get it together and become really productive.
But, this being CLE Browns fans, if he doesn't go out and put up Moss like numbers, he'll be a 'bust'. Same thing with Massaquoi. When he has a bad game, people will be declaring him a bust just like they declare him the 'savior' now.
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I think the notion is all well and good, but outside of NE, who else has had success w/ that plan (note NE has also gone away from that plan).
Masters said:
I think the notion is all well and good, but outside of NE, who else has had success w/ that plan (note NE has also gone away from that plan).The two NFL dynasties, NE and PITT. I actually texted this EXACT same point to Reghi yesterday but I don't think he read it. Or maybe he did? Grossi does tend to steal emailers' takes and publish them the next day. (thanks for the cred Grossi)
My point was that the system creates the stars. If you name all of the superstars in the league that have been popular from the day they came into the league like McNabb, TO, Moss, Pederson, Cutler, Palmer, V. Young just to name a few, they have no rings between all of them combined. Now, look at the Patriots and Steelers. Every name on those teams (save for Polamaulu) is a household name now because of the rings they won when nobody knew their names. Even Cassel had an excellent year in that system last year and is now, as I stated months ago, doing an excellent Scott Mitchell impression. Also, look at the players that these two dynasties let go, they rarely amount to squat anywhere else in the league.
I'm not saying talent doesn't help but nomatter who is on the field, if the coach can get them to do their job on every play, you win WAAAAAAAAAY more than you lose. And you can play with anybody in the league. on any Sunday.
The system creates the superstar.
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Robiske SUCKS and you will soon find out when he gets on the field
Guy was not dominant at Ohio State and now you think he will become a good NFL player
Most NFL ready receiver scouting reports said.....How did that turn out for you...ha ha ha
You didn't address my point, did you?
How can Robiskie be a product of 'over hyping' by this board. Are you suggesting that coaches are getting their drafting advice from fan boards?
We'll never know he sucks until he plays, will we?
Frankly, I'm not expecting him to be that good as it takes most receivers a couple of years to get it together and become really productive.
But, this being CLE Browns fans, if he doesn't go out and put up Moss like numbers, he'll be a 'bust'. Same thing with Massaquoi. When he has a bad game, people will be declaring him a bust just like they declare him the 'savior' now.
You didn't address my point, did you?
How can Robiskie be a product of 'over hyping' by this board. Are you suggesting that coaches are getting their drafting advice from fan boards?
We'll never know he sucks until he plays, will we?
Frankly, I'm not expecting him to be that good as it takes most receivers a couple of years to get it together and become really productive.
But, this being CLE Browns fans, if he doesn't go out and put up Moss like numbers, he'll be a 'bust'. Same thing with Massaquoi. When he has a bad game, people will be declaring him a bust just like they declare him the 'savior' now.
No I am not saying that the Browns draft players based on what this board says, what I am saying is that the hype at draft time was that Robiske was the most NFL ready receiver the same thing which was said about Brady Quinn and we see how that has turned out.
I have seen enough of robiske in practice and I'm sure the coaches saw the exact things I did that Robiske has a problem geting separation which is why he is not seeing the field and why I made the statement that Robiske may be as good as he will ever be, Robiske has been play receiver I'm sure since high school and he can't beat out a ex college QB now NFL specials teamer and a journeyman receiver in Fuerry, what does that tell you? It tells me that Robiske is not very good and we wasted another draft selection, and looking at this years draft by Mangini I'm not sure we did all that well.
The guy was a 2nd round pick and should be contributing, everyone said MoMass was a project and would take a year to maybe develop and yet he looks far more polished as a NFL receiver than Robiske does, I hope I am wrong but there was nothing my eyes saw in training camp from Robiske that has me thinking we have something special.
Stan and a few other people attended training camp maybe you can get there opinion of Robiske and what they saw.
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Masters said:
I think the notion is all well and good, but outside of NE, who else has had success w/ that plan (note NE has also gone away from that plan).The two NFL dynasties, NE and PITT. I actually texted this EXACT same point to Reghi yesterday but I don't think he read it. Or maybe he did? Grossi does tend to steal emailers' takes and publish them the next day. (thanks for the cred Grossi)
My point was that the system creates the stars. If you name all of the superstars in the league that have been popular from the day they came into the league like McNabb, TO, Moss, Pederson, Cutler, Palmer, V. Young just to name a few, they have no rings between all of them combined. Now, look at the Patriots and Steelers. Every name on those teams (save for Polamaulu) is a household name now because of the rings they won when nobody knew their names. Even Cassel had an excellent year in that system last year and is now, as I stated months ago, doing an excellent Scott Mitchell impression. Also, look at the players that these two dynasties let go, they rarely amount to squat anywhere else in the league.
I'm not saying talent doesn't help but nomatter who is on the field, if the coach can get them to do their job on every play, you win WAAAAAAAAAY more than you lose. And you can play with anybody in the league. on any Sunday.
The system creates the superstar.
The two NFL dynasties, NE and PITT. I actually texted this EXACT same point to Reghi yesterday but I don't think he read it. Or maybe he did? Grossi does tend to steal emailers' takes and publish them the next day. (thanks for the cred Grossi)
My point was that the system creates the stars. If you name all of the superstars in the league that have been popular from the day they came into the league like McNabb, TO, Moss, Pederson, Cutler, Palmer, V. Young just to name a few, they have no rings between all of them combined. Now, look at the Patriots and Steelers. Every name on those teams (save for Polamaulu) is a household name now because of the rings they won when nobody knew their names. Even Cassel had an excellent year in that system last year and is now, as I stated months ago, doing an excellent Scott Mitchell impression. Also, look at the players that these two dynasties let go, they rarely amount to squat anywhere else in the league.
I'm not saying talent doesn't help but nomatter who is on the field, if the coach can get them to do their job on every play, you win WAAAAAAAAAY more than you lose. And you can play with anybody in the league. on any Sunday.
The system creates the superstar.
Man you have nailed it 100%
Have you noticed that every linebacker that the Steelers add to there lineup steps in and never misses a beat and yet every Steeler linebacker who leaves the Steelers with the exception of Joey Porter when they leave they never have the same productivity they had with the Steelers, its all about the system.
Some coaches put in a system based on the players they have and you have other coaches who insist on playing there system even if you don't have the players for there system.
Example, The Browns don't have the players to run a attacking 3-4 defense yet they insist on playing a 3-4 because thats Mangini's system, we don't have the linebackers for the 3-4 inside or outside linebackers and Shaun Rogers would be more effective playing a one gap defensive tackle position, Eric Wright would be a better cornerback playing press coverage than zone we have the wrong players trying to play a system that Mangini wants
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Masters said:
I think the notion is all well and good, but outside of NE, who else has had success w/ that plan (note NE has also gone away from that plan).The two NFL dynasties, NE and PITT. I actually texted this EXACT same point to Reghi yesterday but I don't think he read it. Or maybe he did? Grossi does tend to steal emailers' takes and publish them the next day. (thanks for the cred Grossi)
My point was that the system creates the stars. If you name all of the superstars in the league that have been popular from the day they came into the league like McNabb, TO, Moss, Pederson, Cutler, Palmer, V. Young just to name a few, they have no rings between all of them combined. Now, look at the Patriots and Steelers. Every name on those teams (save for Polamaulu) is a household name now because of the rings they won when nobody knew their names. Even Cassel had an excellent year in that system last year and is now, as I stated months ago, doing an excellent Scott Mitchell impression. Also, look at the players that these two dynasties let go, they rarely amount to squat anywhere else in the league.
I'm not saying talent doesn't help but nomatter who is on the field, if the coach can get them to do their job on every play, you win WAAAAAAAAAY more than you lose. And you can play with anybody in the league. on any Sunday.
The system creates the superstar.
The two NFL dynasties, NE and PITT. I actually texted this EXACT same point to Reghi yesterday but I don't think he read it. Or maybe he did? Grossi does tend to steal emailers' takes and publish them the next day. (thanks for the cred Grossi)
My point was that the system creates the stars. If you name all of the superstars in the league that have been popular from the day they came into the league like McNabb, TO, Moss, Pederson, Cutler, Palmer, V. Young just to name a few, they have no rings between all of them combined. Now, look at the Patriots and Steelers. Every name on those teams (save for Polamaulu) is a household name now because of the rings they won when nobody knew their names. Even Cassel had an excellent year in that system last year and is now, as I stated months ago, doing an excellent Scott Mitchell impression. Also, look at the players that these two dynasties let go, they rarely amount to squat anywhere else in the league.
I'm not saying talent doesn't help but nomatter who is on the field, if the coach can get them to do their job on every play, you win WAAAAAAAAAY more than you lose. And you can play with anybody in the league. on any Sunday.
The system creates the superstar.
That was all well and good and I don't disagree with most of it (except possibly the household name part. if you survey'd people on the street, and even some fans of PIT, I bet most would be hard pressed to name anyone on the OL, DL, CBs, or all 4 LBds).
Most guys PIT or NE let go are generally on the decline. NE also brings in vets that already made a name for themselves before coming there, such as Moss, Seau, Harrison, Welker.
None of this still points out a team in the last 10 years where following the blue print of what BB did in NE 10 years agao and has had success.
And of course if you get the players to do their job on every play you will win more than you lose. That isn't exactly a new notion in football, or any sport for that matter. As to playing w/ anyone on any Sunday w/ no stars (maybe a Sunday here and there), you'd be hard pressed to find a single example team that has done that in the last 20+ years.
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Robiske SUCKS and you will soon find out when he gets on the field
Guy was not dominant at Ohio State and now you think he will become a good NFL player
Most NFL ready receiver scouting reports said.....How did that turn out for you...ha ha ha
Don't be a moron. We have no idea of Robo's potential yet.
I'm willing to be you're dead wrong.
AdaM said:
Don't be a moron. We have no idea of Robo's potential yet.I'm willing to be you're dead wrong.
What are you willing to bet?
Why is Robiske not playing if he was so good?
What have you seen of Brain robiske to make you feel like he would/will be good....please explain
Have you seen Robiske play in the NFL?
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AdaM said:
Don't be a moron. We have no idea of Robo's potential yet.I'm willing to be you're dead wrong.
What are you willing to bet?
Why is Robiske not playing if he was so good?
What have you seen of Brain robiske to make you feel like he would/will be good....please explain
Have you seen Robiske play in the NFL?
Have you seen Robiske play in the NFL?
In fairness, that question can be posed right back to you.
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The two NFL dynasties, NE and PITT. I actually texted this EXACT same point to Reghi yesterday but I don't think he read it. Or maybe he did? Grossi does tend to steal emailers' takes and publish them the next day. (thanks for the cred Grossi)
My point was that the system creates the stars. If you name all of the superstars in the league that have been popular from the day they came into the league like McNabb, TO, Moss, Pederson, Cutler, Palmer, V. Young just to name a few, they have no rings between all of them combined. Now, look at the Patriots and Steelers. Every name on those teams (save for Polamaulu) is a household name now because of the rings they won when nobody knew their names. Even Cassel had an excellent year in that system last year and is now, as I stated months ago, doing an excellent Scott Mitchell impression. Also, look at the players that these two dynasties let go, they rarely amount to squat anywhere else in the league.
I'm not saying talent doesn't help but nomatter who is on the field, if the coach can get them to do their job on every play, you win WAAAAAAAAAY more than you lose. And you can play with anybody in the league. on any Sunday.
The system creates the superstar.
That was all well and good and I don't disagree with most of it (except possibly the household name part. if you survey'd people on the street, and even some fans of PIT, I bet most would be hard pressed to name anyone on the OL, DL, CBs, or all 4 LBds).
Most guys PIT or NE let go are generally on the decline. NE also brings in vets that already made a name for themselves before coming there, such as Moss, Seau, Harrison, Welker.
None of this still points out a team in the last 10 years where following the blue print of what BB did in NE 10 years agao and has had success.
And of course if you get the players to do their job on every play you will win more than you lose. That isn't exactly a new notion in football, or any sport for that matter. As to playing w/ anyone on any Sunday w/ no stars (maybe a Sunday here and there), you'd be hard pressed to find a single example team that has done that in the last 20+ years.
Masters said:
That was all well and good and I don't disagree with most of it (except possibly the household name part. if you survey'd people on the street, and even some fans of PIT, I bet most would be hard pressed to name anyone on the OL, DL, CBs, or all 4 LBds).Most guys PIT or NE let go are generally on the decline. NE also brings in vets that already made a name for themselves before coming there, such as Moss, Seau, Harrison, Welker.
None of this still points out a team in the last 10 years where following the blue print of what BB did in NE 10 years agao and has had success.
And of course if you get the players to do their job on every play you will win more than you lose. That isn't exactly a new notion in football, or any sport for that matter. As to playing w/ anyone on any Sunday w/ no stars (maybe a Sunday here and there), you'd be hard pressed to find a single example team that has done that in the last 20+ years.
Masters, you are 100% correct......You need star players to win in the NFL today, its all about talent, the most talented teams win on Sunday, you can have a bunch of average NFL players and they may go 8-8 but its the star players with talent that make the big plays each week that separate the good teams from the very good teams.
The Browns played a game where they won TOP, turnovers, yards gained and still lost to the Bengals because the Bengals Carson Palmer and Chad Ochinko made big plays at the end of the game when they needed to, two guys that are more talented than most guys on the Browns sideline last week.
The Patriot way of 10 years ago will not work today and thats why the Patriots got away from that.
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