Not gaining optimism as the week goes on. . .
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i just saw the GreenBay schedule, and 8 is realistic and 10/12 is gettable if they gel well. After watching the GB defense vs Chicago game i'll surprised if they dont win more than 8.
i just saw the GreenBay schedule, and 8 is realistic and 10/12 is gettable if they gel well. After watching the GB defense vs Chicago game i'll surprised if they dont win more than 8.
It's GB's pass protection that makes me question them more than their D.
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Formerly Stone said:
I don't get this mind set? The BENGALS and the BROWNS are virtually the same team. Long term history has the Browns a couple percentage points ahead of the Bengals and recent history has the Bengals well ahead of the Browns so how is it that you would be embarrassed by losing to them?I'm coming from the perspective of the preseason optimisim. . . we had a coaching change (removing a bad coach, and hiring an 'improvement'), eliminated some unproductive and dead weight, brought in a lot of solid veterans, etc. etc. etc. Had the same record as the Bengals last year (basically), and they lost their best receiver, and didn't make any other major changes really, outside of the draft.
Just coming into the season some of these games SHOULD be wins. . . Cincinnati, Denver, Detroit, KC, Oakland. Especially at home.
But more than anything, it's wondering if that was the best effort the team had? Did the best effort result in losing in OT in a game that (from a preseason point of view) should have been a win?
Maybe it's just me coming to the sad realization that with all of these offseason 'improvements', the Browns have lost ground to the Bengals. THE BENGALS! God, I hope the Browns beat the Lions!!! If not, that might force me into a deep state of CSD (Cleveland Sports Depression).
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Formerly Stone said:
I don't get this mind set? The BENGALS and the BROWNS are virtually the same team. Long term history has the Browns a couple percentage points ahead of the Bengals and recent history has the Bengals well ahead of the Browns so how is it that you would be embarrassed by losing to them?I'm coming from the perspective of the preseason optimisim. . . we had a coaching change (removing a bad coach, and hiring an 'improvement'), eliminated some unproductive and dead weight, brought in a lot of solid veterans, etc. etc. etc. Had the same record as the Bengals last year (basically), and they lost their best receiver, and didn't make any other major changes really, outside of the draft.
Just coming into the season some of these games SHOULD be wins. . . Cincinnati, Denver, Detroit, KC, Oakland. Especially at home.
But more than anything, it's wondering if that was the best effort the team had? Did the best effort result in losing in OT in a game that (from a preseason point of view) should have been a win?
Maybe it's just me coming to the sad realization that with all of these offseason 'improvements', the Browns have lost ground to the Bengals. THE BENGALS! God, I hope the Browns beat the Lions!!! If not, that might force me into a deep state of CSD (Cleveland Sports Depression).
I'm coming from the perspective of the preseason optimisim. . . we had a coaching change (removing a bad coach, and hiring an 'improvement'), eliminated some unproductive and dead weight, brought in a lot of solid veterans, etc. etc. etc. Had the same record as the Bengals last year (basically), and they lost their best receiver, and didn't make any other major changes really, outside of the draft.
Just coming into the season some of these games SHOULD be wins. . . Cincinnati, Denver, Detroit, KC, Oakland. Especially at home.
But more than anything, it's wondering if that was the best effort the team had? Did the best effort result in losing in OT in a game that (from a preseason point of view) should have been a win?
Maybe it's just me coming to the sad realization that with all of these offseason 'improvements', the Browns have lost ground to the Bengals. THE BENGALS! God, I hope the Browns beat the Lions!!! If not, that might force me into a deep state of CSD (Cleveland Sports Depression).
For someone who says they were optimistic, you sure don't show it. I dunno if you know this or not, but the NFL is a league where teams can go from shit to contenders in one season. Now I'm not saying that the Bengals are for real, but just because they sucked in the past doesn't mean that's where their future lies. I mean just last season, we saw the Miami Dolphins, who went 1-15 in the previous season, go on to have a 11-5 record and a playoff berth. This is a rapidly changing league where teams rise and fall every year. So just because we lost to the Bengals doesn't mean we should lose all hope for the season. If anything, we should be optimistic that we kept it a close game. It also shows us that maybe we have more talent than everyone thinks.
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Formerly Stone said:
The Browns have been very undisciplined and rudderless since coming back to the league. Mangini's hard line approach, while pissing off some vets, will send a message and clean up some "junk" like BE (expect to see Mangini deal with him hard) and an overall attention to detail.Mangini will probably be gone in 15 months or less but you should see an improvement in the area of discipline which should reduce game day frustration to some degree. Mangini is trying to be a baby Bill Belichick and he simply doesn't have the cojones to do it.
I think Mangini has the brass balls to do it and will turn this ship around.
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I'm coming from the perspective of the preseason optimisim. . . we had a coaching change (removing a bad coach, and hiring an 'improvement'), eliminated some unproductive and dead weight, brought in a lot of solid veterans, etc. etc. etc. Had the same record as the Bengals last year (basically), and they lost their best receiver, and didn't make any other major changes really, outside of the draft.
Just coming into the season some of these games SHOULD be wins. . . Cincinnati, Denver, Detroit, KC, Oakland. Especially at home.
But more than anything, it's wondering if that was the best effort the team had? Did the best effort result in losing in OT in a game that (from a preseason point of view) should have been a win?
Maybe it's just me coming to the sad realization that with all of these offseason 'improvements', the Browns have lost ground to the Bengals. THE BENGALS! God, I hope the Browns beat the Lions!!! If not, that might force me into a deep state of CSD (Cleveland Sports Depression).
For someone who says they were optimistic, you sure don't show it. I dunno if you know this or not, but the NFL is a league where teams can go from shit to contenders in one season. Now I'm not saying that the Bengals are for real, but just because they sucked in the past doesn't mean that's where their future lies. I mean just last season, we saw the Miami Dolphins, who went 1-15 in the previous season, go on to have a 11-5 record and a playoff berth. This is a rapidly changing league where teams rise and fall every year. So just because we lost to the Bengals doesn't mean we should lose all hope for the season. If anything, we should be optimistic that we kept it a close game. It also shows us that maybe we have more talent than everyone thinks.
For someone who says they were optimistic, you sure don't show it. I dunno if you know this or not, but the NFL is a league where teams can go from shit to contenders in one season. Now I'm not saying that the Bengals are for real, but just because they sucked in the past doesn't mean that's where their future lies. I mean just last season, we saw the Miami Dolphins, who went 1-15 in the previous season, go on to have a 11-5 record and a playoff berth. This is a rapidly changing league where teams rise and fall every year. So just because we lost to the Bengals doesn't mean we should lose all hope for the season. If anything, we should be optimistic that we kept it a close game. It also shows us that maybe we have more talent than everyone thinks.
That's the point I'm getting at. . . I'm normally very optimistic, in the preseason, and even after losses as the week goes on. But the last loss doesn't sit well with me, and the optimism is harder to come by right now for me.
But I completely agree, the Bengals are improved, on both sides of the ball. Palmer is a good QB, and he's leading the team to success. But it still hurts to see the Browns lose ground to them.
Goes back to seeing all of those preseason 'rankings' where the Browns were at or near the bottom, and most everyone here said "how can all of those teams be better than the Browns after all of the improvements there have been on this team / coaching staff. . . " And here we are 4 weeks into the season and the grim reality may be setting in. . .
I wouldn't be here if I didn't care and didn't love the Browns. Just saying the optimisim is not as strong as it once was.
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Just wanted to add that I'm not feeling any more optimistic this week vs last week.
And before someone challenges my opionion, I am perfectly capable of maintaining two separate opinions. #1: I'm very happy to add a game to the Win column. #2: I'm not feeling too good about adding more wins after the performance in Buffalo.
With their mistakes, lack of discipline, QB troubles, and coach being on the hot seat, Buffalo is arguably one of the worst teams in the league right now. And the Browns mustered up 6 points?
Definately not helping my outlook for the year. I'll keep trying to find that silver lining!!!
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Just wanted to add that I'm not feeling any more optimistic this week vs last week.
And before someone challenges my opionion, I am perfectly capable of maintaining two separate opinions. #1: I'm very happy to add a game to the Win column. #2: I'm not feeling too good about adding more wins after the performance in Buffalo.
With their mistakes, lack of discipline, QB troubles, and coach being on the hot seat, Buffalo is arguably one of the worst teams in the league right now. And the Browns mustered up 6 points?
Definately not helping my outlook for the year. I'll keep trying to find that silver lining!!!
Just wanted to add that I'm not feeling any more optimistic this week vs last week.
And before someone challenges my opionion, I am perfectly capable of maintaining two separate opinions. #1: I'm very happy to add a game to the Win column. #2: I'm not feeling too good about adding more wins after the performance in Buffalo.
With their mistakes, lack of discipline, QB troubles, and coach being on the hot seat, Buffalo is arguably one of the worst teams in the league right now. And the Browns mustered up 6 points?
Definately not helping my outlook for the year. I'll keep trying to find that silver lining!!!
Can I suggest something to try?
It's well known that our offense went through a tough transition in the past few weeks. Trading away Braylon and starting two rookie WR's, adding in a guy who flew into town days before the game. Jamal Lewis back in, Harrison and Cribbs reduced back to being decoys again ... it's been a tough go. Other teams such as the Colts, have been honing their offense and passing game since the day after the draft. They know what they got, and what they need to focus on and bring up to par. The Browns started that 'honing' of their offense last Wednesday ... it's just a butt ugly situation right now, offensively.
Here is what I suggest:
Concentrate on the defense. This is where we are gelling a few things, putting together some scheme that we implimentede for the first time the day after the draft. Coupled with a coaching staff that has a real emphasis on Special teams, the ST and D are really working well. We gave up 3-points (replace the thought of only scoring 6, with this new thought of only allowing 3).
We also are not just running the ball well, but our O-line is blocking even better. We are freaking pulling our rookie center out to lead the way on a Cribbs end-around! How freaking sweeeeet was that, man!?!?
If you ignore the fiasco on the offensive side of that ball and look at what we have been working on, honing and gelling defensively and playing as a TEAM to be competitive, there is plenty to be excited for Sunday about.
Let's take a test with our Defense, let's test them against the Steelers this weekend. Our Special teams will keep things fair, field position wise, and let's evaluate where we stand right now defensively.
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They won, despite certain areas of the team not playing their best. That is a definite step in the right direction. Stop being a pussy.
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Just wanted to add that I'm not feeling any more optimistic this week vs last week.
And before someone challenges my opionion, I am perfectly capable of maintaining two separate opinions. #1: I'm very happy to add a game to the Win column. #2: I'm not feeling too good about adding more wins after the performance in Buffalo.
With their mistakes, lack of discipline, QB troubles, and coach being on the hot seat, Buffalo is arguably one of the worst teams in the league right now. And the Browns mustered up 6 points?
Definately not helping my outlook for the year. I'll keep trying to find that silver lining!!!
Can I suggest something to try?
It's well known that our offense went through a tough transition in the past few weeks. Trading away Braylon and starting two rookie WR's, adding in a guy who flew into town days before the game. Jamal Lewis back in, Harrison and Cribbs reduced back to being decoys again ... it's been a tough go. Other teams such as the Colts, have been honing their offense and passing game since the day after the draft. They know what they got, and what they need to focus on and bring up to par. The Browns started that 'honing' of their offense last Wednesday ... it's just a butt ugly situation right now, offensively.
Here is what I suggest:
Concentrate on the defense. This is where we are gelling a few things, putting together some scheme that we implimentede for the first time the day after the draft. Coupled with a coaching staff that has a real emphasis on Special teams, the ST and D are really working well. We gave up 3-points (replace the thought of only scoring 6, with this new thought of only allowing 3).
We also are not just running the ball well, but our O-line is blocking even better. We are freaking pulling our rookie center out to lead the way on a Cribbs end-around! How freaking sweeeeet was that, man!?!?
If you ignore the fiasco on the offensive side of that ball and look at what we have been working on, honing and gelling defensively and playing as a TEAM to be competitive, there is plenty to be excited for Sunday about.
Let's take a test with our Defense, let's test them against the Steelers this weekend. Our Special teams will keep things fair, field position wise, and let's evaluate where we stand right now defensively.
Can I suggest something to try?
It's well known that our offense went through a tough transition in the past few weeks. Trading away Braylon and starting two rookie WR's, adding in a guy who flew into town days before the game. Jamal Lewis back in, Harrison and Cribbs reduced back to being decoys again ... it's been a tough go. Other teams such as the Colts, have been honing their offense and passing game since the day after the draft. They know what they got, and what they need to focus on and bring up to par. The Browns started that 'honing' of their offense last Wednesday ... it's just a butt ugly situation right now, offensively.
Here is what I suggest:
Concentrate on the defense. This is where we are gelling a few things, putting together some scheme that we implimentede for the first time the day after the draft. Coupled with a coaching staff that has a real emphasis on Special teams, the ST and D are really working well. We gave up 3-points (replace the thought of only scoring 6, with this new thought of only allowing 3).
We also are not just running the ball well, but our O-line is blocking even better. We are freaking pulling our rookie center out to lead the way on a Cribbs end-around! How freaking sweeeeet was that, man!?!?
If you ignore the fiasco on the offensive side of that ball and look at what we have been working on, honing and gelling defensively and playing as a TEAM to be competitive, there is plenty to be excited for Sunday about.
Let's take a test with our Defense, let's test them against the Steelers this weekend. Our Special teams will keep things fair, field position wise, and let's evaluate where we stand right now defensively.
Hmmmm.... Looks like thats what we should have done, "honored" our lineup and passing game
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ATENEARS, that was an excellent response. Thank you. And I do see improvement in the D, and some things I've been waiting for for years. Accepting the 'rebuilding' process is certainly a good thing to do. The Offensive struggles make it difficult to focus on the rest of the parts that are doing better / improving. But I have been noticing the change in the Defense, and the dominance of our Special Teams.
As an aside, I still really like Wimbley, and I'm excited to see development and production out of him after a few down years.
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