2 completions?
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Masters said:
Yet DA completed more passes in that game. Edwards was able to complete more than 2 passes this past weekend.Good for Edwards, his team lost. Maybe they should have run the ball more
Yes, the coaching staff had a lot to do w/ that win against BUF
Riiiiiight because the fact that he threw 48 times as opposed to 17 and having KII. JJ, and Braylon had nothing to do with having more completions. Riiiiight, And of course coaches have nothing to do with it when we win but the first people some "fans" blame in a loss is the coaches. Let me re-phrase that. The first people some "fans" blame in a loss where Brady is the QB is the coaches. But again, they have no say in the outcome.
Riiiiiight because the fact that he threw 48 times as opposed to 17 and having KII. JJ, and Braylon had nothing to do with having more completions. Riiiiight, And of course coaches have nothing to do with it when we win but the first people some "fans" blame in a loss is the coaches. Let me re-phrase that. The first people some "fans" blame in a loss where Brady is the QB is the coaches. But again, they have no say in the outcome.
LMFAO.... why I am not surprised you missed the point.
Did the coaches muff that punt? Coaching had zero to do with the out come of that game Sunday.
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How are we going to fight over a win? come on Im a Browns fan not a qb fan.... I want the team to win. and Ill take a win anyway we can get it. So I say Fuk Anderson Fuk Quinn Just WIN
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There are reasons for the drops. And I am a DA supporter. But I don't care that the receivers were dropping the ball, 2 - 17 is horrible. Just accept that DA played a bad game but the Browns won and move on. The defense and special teams won this game. The running game was solid and the OL blocked pretty well. I watched as much of the game as I could and DA did have many balls dropped that the receivers should catch but he also threw behind the receivers on a few of the drops.
If you are a DA backer the only thing positive that you can take out of that game was that DA did not make a game altering mistake. If you are a OC backer then you can take out of it that at least the OC did not call 45 pass plays (like Chud would have done). And if you are a Browns backer then you can take out of it that you won the despite the QB playing poorly.
I don't understand the need to defend 2 - 17. If you want to say that the receivers and Royal in particular need to catch the damn ball then I would agree with that. The receivers are paid to catch the ball and help the Browns win. They need to do a better job. But on the flip side if the receivers can not catch DA's balls then he needs to do something different. Again, 2 - 17 is horrible not matter how you spin it.
But, the Browns won!!! And that is what matters, RIGHT?
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It is clear that most sensible fans are not champions of either QB, yet most of you continue this Battle Royale between camps. Let it go.
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Pick a reason for the drops and stick with it.
If it was the wind, why didn't Buffalo's QB go 2 for whatever?
Pick a reason for the drops and stick with it.
If it was the wind, why didn't Buffalo's QB go 2 for whatever?
There were multiple reasons, but who cares. 2 - 17 sucks. But the Browns won and DA did not make any costly mistake. The offense played well enough to keep the defense fresh and the defense and special teams won this game.
You can't really spin that this was a good game by DA, you just can't. At least stats wise DA has 2 good games for each bad game so here is to that holding up and DA and the Browns having a good game against the Steelers. That is the game that matters now.
But 2 -17, come on. You got to admit that was bad regardless of the conditions or drops.
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DA did evrything a QB has to do to win a game. The drops are inexcusable. I saw Ben throw a rocket to Ward on 7 yard slant and guess what? Ward caught it and scored. Throwing too hard is junior high crap. That's NEVER an issue in the NFL.
It is not how hard you throw per se...it is more of WHEN you throw hard.
If a WR/RB has his back to you...YOU DO NOT RIFLE IT!!! It doesn't give them time to adjust.
If a WR/RB is just coming out of the break and has not turned his head...YOU DO NOT RIFLE IT!!! It does not give them an opportunity to locate it....so even if it hits them, they are NOT likely to catch it.
If a WR/RB is going long but has tight coverage...YOU DO NOT RIFLE IT!!! It needs to go long and OVER the shoulder or it is an INT.
If a WR/RB is running a slant 5-10 yards downfield but LOOKING at you...RIFLE IT!!! If you don't he is likely going to get his head taken off by the LB's.
If a WR/RB is breaking free over the top...RIFLE IT!!! Don't let the S make up ground and level him.
If a WR/RB is running a button hook type route...RIFLE IT!!! Otherwise you have an INT in the making.
See, 3 distinct cases FOR rifling it..and 3 distinct cases AGAINST rifling it.
It is not how hard you throw per se...it is more of WHEN you throw hard.
If a WR/RB has his back to you...YOU DO NOT RIFLE IT!!! It doesn't give them time to adjust.
If a WR/RB is just coming out of the break and has not turned his head...YOU DO NOT RIFLE IT!!! It does not give them an opportunity to locate it....so even if it hits them, they are NOT likely to catch it.
If a WR/RB is going long but has tight coverage...YOU DO NOT RIFLE IT!!! It needs to go long and OVER the shoulder or it is an INT.
If a WR/RB is running a slant 5-10 yards downfield but LOOKING at you...RIFLE IT!!! If you don't he is likely going to get his head taken off by the LB's.
If a WR/RB is breaking free over the top...RIFLE IT!!! Don't let the S make up ground and level him.
If a WR/RB is running a button hook type route...RIFLE IT!!! Otherwise you have an INT in the making.
See, 3 distinct cases FOR rifling it..and 3 distinct cases AGAINST rifling it.
If you're DA you gun it in there and let your fanclub make excuses for you.
Much, much easier.
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Don't you think that a pro should be able to catch whatever is thrown to him?
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Don't you think that a pro should be able to catch whatever is thrown to him?
Don't you think that a pro should be able to catch whatever is thrown to him?
See?
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trust me, I'm not a member of the DA fan club. But these guys are making millions of dollars a year to catch footballs. anything they get both hands on should be a catch.
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Pick a reason for the drops and stick with it.
If it was the wind, why didn't Buffalo's QB go 2 for whatever?
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No one is saying it wasn't windy. You are missing the point. It's excuse, excuse, excuse every time DA has a game like Sundays. It's the wind (yet the oppposing QB completed more passes - same story in the Cincy game in 2007), it's the guys lined up at WR, he was 5 weeks removed from a concusion, the sun was in his eyes, etc.
But those are only valid if DA is the QB (and no I am not saying Quinn should play, so don't bother twisting it). It's just laughable to see those excuses riduculed when it is another player, but if it's DA, they are valid. He is the worst rated QB in the NFL since the start of 2008 (and probably going back a few weeks into 2007) for a reason. That reason has more to do w/ him than any players around him at this point.
Completing 2 passes and throwing 1 INT is not doing anything a QB has to do or should do to win a game.
Masters said:
No one is saying it wasn't windy. You are missing the point. It's excuse, excuse, excuse every time DA has a game like Sundays. It's the wind (yet the oppposing QB completed more passes - same story in the Cincy game in 2007),Not the case at Cincy in '07..Anderson 29 of 48 for 60 percent, 2 TDs and 4 ints. Palmer was 11 of 21 for 52% 1 TD and 2 Ints. The all-important efficiency rating had DA 8.8 points higher than Palmer. The difference in the game was that Cincinatti's O coordinator realized the wind was so bad they better cut back on the passing, while the Browns coordinator decided that even though Lewis was running well, it'd be smarter to risk passing a whole heck of a lot in a wind storm.
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@jadbf said:
But again, quinn had those same recievers and you blame Quinn?Not that I am saying Quinn is better or should be starting.
but why oh why can't you just do what Cmac did.
Say "damn DA looked bad that game, but he didn't make the HUGE mistake to cost us the game, and we won an ugly game. Hopefully next week DA plays better." ??
I have never blamed Quinn for drops.
I blame Quinn for immediately checking down the his escape valve and being incapable of sustaining 2 drives in any game.
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I'll just add one thing. If ball hits you in the hands, and your making millions of dollars to catch those balls, regardless of where it is thrown, if it hits your hands, you better catch it...
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Masters said:
No one is saying it wasn't windy. You are missing the point. It's excuse, excuse, excuse every time DA has a game like Sundays. It's the wind (yet the oppposing QB completed more passes - same story in the Cincy game in 2007),Not the case at Cincy in '07..Anderson 29 of 48 for 60 percent, 2 TDs and 4 ints. Palmer was 11 of 21 for 52% 1 TD and 2 Ints. The all-important efficiency rating had DA 8.8 points higher than Palmer. The difference in the game was that Cincinatti's O coordinator realized the wind was so bad they better cut back on the passing, while the Browns coordinator decided that even though Lewis was running well, it'd be smarter to risk passing a whole heck of a lot in a wind storm.
Not the case at Cincy in '07..Anderson 29 of 48 for 60 percent, 2 TDs and 4 ints. Palmer was 11 of 21 for 52% 1 TD and 2 Ints. The all-important efficiency rating had DA 8.8 points higher than Palmer. The difference in the game was that Cincinatti's O coordinator realized the wind was so bad they better cut back on the passing, while the Browns coordinator decided that even though Lewis was running well, it'd be smarter to risk passing a whole heck of a lot in a wind storm.
Based on focusing in only on this in your response, you obviously missed the point, or chose to ignore it.
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I'll just add one thing. If ball hits you in the hands, and your making millions of dollars to catch those balls, regardless of where it is thrown, if it hits your hands, you better catch it...
I'll just add one thing. If ball hits you in the hands, and your making millions of dollars to catch those balls, regardless of where it is thrown, if it hits your hands, you better catch it...
Yes, I agree.
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I'll just add one thing. If ball hits you in the hands, and your making millions of dollars to catch those balls, regardless of where it is thrown, if it hits your hands, you better catch it...
I'll just add one thing. If ball hits you in the hands, and your making millions of dollars to catch those balls, regardless of where it is thrown, if it hits your hands, you better catch it...
I'll willingly excuse a receiver for balls that hit them in the hands behind them, yet lots of receivers make that catch.
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Masters said:
No one is saying it wasn't windy. You are missing the point. It's excuse, excuse, excuse every time DA has a game like Sundays. It's the wind (yet the oppposing QB completed more passes - same story in the Cincy game in 2007),Not the case at Cincy in '07..Anderson 29 of 48 for 60 percent, 2 TDs and 4 ints. Palmer was 11 of 21 for 52% 1 TD and 2 Ints. The all-important efficiency rating had DA 8.8 points higher than Palmer. The difference in the game was that Cincinatti's O coordinator realized the wind was so bad they better cut back on the passing, while the Browns coordinator decided that even though Lewis was running well, it'd be smarter to risk passing a whole heck of a lot in a wind storm.
Not the case at Cincy in '07..Anderson 29 of 48 for 60 percent, 2 TDs and 4 ints. Palmer was 11 of 21 for 52% 1 TD and 2 Ints. The all-important efficiency rating had DA 8.8 points higher than Palmer. The difference in the game was that Cincinatti's O coordinator realized the wind was so bad they better cut back on the passing, while the Browns coordinator decided that even though Lewis was running well, it'd be smarter to risk passing a whole heck of a lot in a wind storm.
Cripes. Not this shit again. This is absolutely the worst game you could possibly bring up to support the argument that DA is not an inefficient, spotty passer, with poor decision making.
Go look at the picks. They were "doh!" throws. Nothing to do with the wind.
That was the difference in the game. As to your point regarding the battle of wits between the OC's, an argument can certainly be made that we probably should have been shooting lay-ups instead of 3-pointers in terms of play-calling. But with DA's inability to hit those layups (even with Lewis running well), and the fact that there were 2 picks within 5 minutes of each other at the end of the 2nd *edit* half quarter, I imagine that CHUD's gameplan was to try and dig the team out of the hole DA created by using DA's strength: the quick strike Deep ball big play. And that means going through the air.
Can we ban the use of stats for a week? And talk about what the fcuk actually happens during games? That'd be a welcome change of pace.
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula -
@jadbf said:
Doesn't matter what excuses you use for DA when he plays bad, and what you blame for Quinn's problems.If you can't admit to a bad game by your guy without so many qualifications and excuses, then it's hard to take you seriously.
I've never said DA didn't have a bad game. That's the difference between most of the DA guys and the Quinnbots... we'll admit he had a poor game.
I'm guilty of pointing out that the ball hit the receivers hands on 13 of the 17 passes (2 of them would have been very difficult catches to make by the reports I read). I never said DA hadn't played poorly.
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Not the case at Cincy in '07..Anderson 29 of 48 for 60 percent, 2 TDs and 4 ints. Palmer was 11 of 21 for 52% 1 TD and 2 Ints. The all-important efficiency rating had DA 8.8 points higher than Palmer. The difference in the game was that Cincinatti's O coordinator realized the wind was so bad they better cut back on the passing, while the Browns coordinator decided that even though Lewis was running well, it'd be smarter to risk passing a whole heck of a lot in a wind storm.
Based on focusing in only on this in your response, you obviously missed the point, or chose to ignore it.
Masters said:
Based on focusing in only on this in your response, you obviously missed the point, or chose to ignore it.The point is... you completely made up half your argument without even checking first.
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