Hey MoMass!!!
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Here is what we REALLY got for BE.
Chansi Stuckey - He is a legit slot receiver...with the speed and power to be a legit #2 if he becomes more consistent. Showed a lot of talent early last year before the Favre meltdown. Keep in mind, Furrey is a one year contract so the slot is wide open going into next year.
Jason Trusnik - A ST baller for now...but has good size (6,4" 250) with speed, and played a combo of OLB/DE in college. The guy can fill in as an OLB or play a 4th down player in a 4/3 set. In fact, he was a sack leader in college...so watch, he may be a gem in the rough.
We also got a 5th and 3rd...with conditional 2nd if BE performs.
That is not chump change. I will take a legit starter plus a ST ace, plus 2 draft picks that we can use to fill a couple more holes on a team that is in the process of rebuilding. BE was not going to make a difference this year or next (maybe 1 or 2 wins IF he caught the ball) so why not get SEVERAL holes filled.
While I agree w/ most of what you said, unless we are counting the ST guy, I am not sold CLE got a legit starter. If Stuckey was a fully legit starter, I don't think the Jets trade him or go looking for BE.
Masters said:
While I agree w/ most of what you said, unless we are counting the ST guy, I am not sold CLE got a legit starter. If Stuckey was a fully legit starter, I don't think the Jets trade him or go looking for BE.The Jets needed a #1....they already had Cotchery for a legit #2 guy.
Stuckey is a legit #3, possibly #2...in other words...Stuckey is Cotchery at best...maybe just a slot guy. So, they needed BE....and we WILL need Stuckey either as slot or #2.
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Masters said:
While I agree w/ most of what you said, unless we are counting the ST guy, I am not sold CLE got a legit starter. If Stuckey was a fully legit starter, I don't think the Jets trade him or go looking for BE.The Jets needed a #1....they already had Cotchery for a legit #2 guy.
Stuckey is a legit #3, possibly #2...in other words...Stuckey is Cotchery at best...maybe just a slot guy. So, they needed BE....and we WILL need Stuckey either as slot or #2.
The Jets needed a #1....they already had Cotchery for a legit #2 guy.
Stuckey is a legit #3, possibly #2...in other words...Stuckey is Cotchery at best...maybe just a slot guy. So, they needed BE....and we WILL need Stuckey either as slot or #2.
You are kind of going where I was meaning. I don't personally count a slot guy as a starter, unless your basic offensive package is 3 wide. I think Stuckey is a slot guy at best. So in that manner, I don't think CLE got back a legit starter. They got a very servicable WR imo. But all in all, the trade isn't a bad one. Especially if CLE ends up w/ a second round pick. In the end, it's all better than nothing. It was a long term move.
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Masters said:
While I agree w/ most of what you said, unless we are counting the ST guy, I am not sold CLE got a legit starter. If Stuckey was a fully legit starter, I don't think the Jets trade him or go looking for BE.The Jets needed a #1....they already had Cotchery for a legit #2 guy.
Stuckey is a legit #3, possibly #2...in other words...Stuckey is Cotchery at best...maybe just a slot guy. So, they needed BE....and we WILL need Stuckey either as slot or #2.
The Jets needed a #1....they already had Cotchery for a legit #2 guy.
Stuckey is a legit #3, possibly #2...in other words...Stuckey is Cotchery at best...maybe just a slot guy. So, they needed BE....and we WILL need Stuckey either as slot or #2.
We dont need future WRs we've got two of them in the making. What we need is a stud TE. If Keller was involved in this trade straight up for BE Id be jumping for joy right now, now thats a fair trade. We still cant say we're getting a 2nd/3rd and 5th its pure speculation at this point. Value is what my whole point is, not because Im some freak BE fan having knee jerk reactions. In fact Winslow was my favorite Brown I was very upset and didnt think we should of given up on him BUT we got value for him!
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Trusnik is probably the key to the deal.
Trusnik is probably the key to the deal.
lol
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The Jets needed a #1....they already had Cotchery for a legit #2 guy.
Stuckey is a legit #3, possibly #2...in other words...Stuckey is Cotchery at best...maybe just a slot guy. So, they needed BE....and we WILL need Stuckey either as slot or #2.
We dont need future WRs we've got two of them in the making. What we need is a stud TE. If Keller was involved in this trade straight up for BE Id be jumping for joy right now, now thats a fair trade. We still cant say we're getting a 2nd/3rd and 5th its pure speculation at this point. Value is what my whole point is, not because Im some freak BE fan having knee jerk reactions. In fact Winslow was my favorite Brown I was very upset and didnt think we should of given up on him BUT we got value for him!
We dont need future WRs we've got two of them in the making. What we need is a stud TE. If Keller was involved in this trade straight up for BE Id be jumping for joy right now, now thats a fair trade. We still cant say we're getting a 2nd/3rd and 5th its pure speculation at this point. Value is what my whole point is, not because Im some freak BE fan having knee jerk reactions. In fact Winslow was my favorite Brown I was very upset and didnt think we should of given up on him BUT we got value for him!
How are 2 players who can play for you today and tomorrow, and 2 draft picks (even if it only ends up a 3rd and 5th) not getting value? Randy Moss was traded for less.
CLE was not going to get a 1st round pick or a star player in any deal for BE. His value around the league just isn't that high, and nor should it be based on his production and off the field antics.
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talking of tight ends, how is the TE whom we signed from the jaguars doing ? Is he just a depth addition or can he contribute ?
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@inspecta said:
If Braylon plays really well (which I think he will do in NY) then we get a 2nd rounder. We can easily get a bonafide starter in the 2nd round. We could even get a superstar. That's why I thought it was f*cking ridiculous people were already evaluating trade less than a week since it was executed.It all depends on how far Stucky comes along as a receiver and who we pick up with those two picks. If Stucky becomes a really solid receiver for us and we get 2 really solid starters from those draft picks then we've come out ahead in that trade. Getting something now when you were guaranteed to get nothing at the end of the year to watch him walk is always a win.
In fairness, CLE would not have gotten nothing when BE walked. They could have gotten picks if they resonably tendered him. Even if they didn't, I am pretty sure next year CLE would compensatory pick based on the number of FA that are likely gone, compared to FA they'll probably bring in.
No matter what, the trading of BE means he wasn't currently in the Browns plans for 2010, so yeah, why not get potentially something for him.
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Just because he wasn't in our plans doesn't mean you give him away. Roy Williams was traded for a 1st and 3rd a bit high as most would agree. 2 years ago Chambers was traded for a 2nd and 5th. What's gonna happen when all of you find out we get crappy picks and two mediocre players in this trade? When in the offseason we could have tagged him and traded him for a better deal as well as keeping him and winning more games including the Stoolers who we had a good shot at possibly beating for the first time in 5 years. Mangini was pissed about BE's antics and he made a knee jerk reaction, thats all there is to it. This shows me this guy has no idea what he's doing and Kokinis is just his puppet.
You may ask why I dont think we got a 2nd/3rd and 5th? Because this came out of nowhere after BE blew up during the Cincy game and reportedly was talking sh!t about the QB's and coaches at the club the night he punched steve urkel. Mangini had enough and said Im trading this guy no matter what i get. Mangina is an idiot!
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Just because he wasn't in our plans doesn't mean you give him away. Roy Williams was traded for a 1st and 3rd a bit high as most would agree. 2 years ago Chambers was traded for a 2nd and 5th. What's gonna happen when all of you find out we get crappy picks and two mediocre players in this trade? When in the offseason we could have tagged him and traded him for a better deal as well as keeping him and winning more games including the Stoolers who we had a good shot at possibly beating for the first time in 5 years. Mangini was pissed about BE's antics and he made a knee jerk reaction, thats all there is to it. This shows me this guy has no idea what he's doing and Kokinis is just his puppet.
You may ask why I dont think we got a 2nd/3rd and 5th? Because this came out of nowhere after BE blew up during the Cincy game and reportedly was talking sh!t about the QB's and coaches at the club the night he punched steve urkel. Mangini had enough and said Im trading this guy no matter what i get. Mangina is an idiot!
Just because he wasn't in our plans doesn't mean you give him away. Roy Williams was traded for a 1st and 3rd a bit high as most would agree. 2 years ago Chambers was traded for a 2nd and 5th. What's gonna happen when all of you find out we get crappy picks and two mediocre players in this trade? When in the offseason we could have tagged him and traded him for a better deal as well as keeping him and winning more games including the Stoolers who we had a good shot at possibly beating for the first time in 5 years. Mangini was pissed about BE's antics and he made a knee jerk reaction, thats all there is to it. This shows me this guy has no idea what he's doing and Kokinis is just his puppet.
You may ask why I dont think we got a 2nd/3rd and 5th? Because this came out of nowhere after BE blew up during the Cincy game and reportedly was talking sh!t about the QB's and coaches at the club the night he punched steve urkel. Mangini had enough and said Im trading this guy no matter what i get. Mangina is an idiot!
Dallas got swindelled and that is showing on the field.
You just brough up Chamber. CLE just got almost the same thing for BE (and maybe equal depending on how BE does in NY) as was received when Chambers was traded, plus two players.
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You all keep saying that a 2nd/3rd and 5th is what we got but until its official than we got swindled. Whatever picks we did get one way or another they are going to be high in their respective rounds considering the Jets being a pretty good team. However, that doesn't bother me as much as the way this scenario played out it was a knee jerk reaction by mangina and screams of us getting fleeced because CZAR GINA was upset! If we did get such a great deal why hasn't it been publicized officially? Its because what we got was DOG SH1T! I still don't see us getting a 2nd or 3rd no matter what the talking heads say. If Stuckey and Trusnik are so good I think all of you playing fantasy football that have BE should trade him for both those players lol.
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