PFT is reporting that Brady Quinn's house is for sale
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@shepwrite said:
I think it's pretty crazy, too... and Quinn should have started at least until the bye. He played against three great defenses with one WR who couldn't catch and another who wasn't a WR, no running game, and severe restrictions.Agreed, it wasn't at all pretty. But I was still shocked when he was pulled. Intrigued and a little hopeful... but still shocked. Now that Anderson has blown ass, it looks even crazier.
I think the 11 mill thing comes into play, given a few things Mangini has said about saving money that will improve the team in the offseason. Quinn needs to start about 11 games to make his money, so the plan might have been to let Anderson suck for a few more games and check into Quinn after the bye.
I don't think Quinn is down with that plan, though.
I think the incentives were the nail in the coffin, too.
Pretty good break down, if no one's read it:
"Cleveland Browns QB Conspiracy Corner
This is a new feature of mine. It will run this one time. Then it will be gone. Until it comes back.
When I started writing my piece yesterday about the QB Break Down (double-entendre alert!), I never had an honest thought in my head that by the time I was done DA would actually have been named the starter. Call it wishful thinking; call it naiveté; call it whatever you must. The fact is, I never dreamed that after only 2.5 games anyone would be willing to say they’d seen enough of Brady Quinn to know he had no future with this team.
Alas, I was wrong.
But, I don’t think it’s that simple. As Keyser Soze once opined, “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.” So, while some may choose to believe that Brady Quinn got hosed, and that Eric Mangini is merely trying to net some offense to stave off the wolves at the door for awhile at the expense of long-term development, I think the answer has been hiding right in front of our faces all along.
1. Brady Quinn’s contract is laden with incentives.
As Deep Throat (the Nixon guy, you pervs) once stated, “Follow the money!” It’s not a secret that Quinn’s deal has escalators that kick in after he plays a certain percentage of the team’s snaps as well as anything stats-related. It’s not a secret that the lion’s share of DA’s money has already been paid out in bonus form. By pulling Quinn in favor of Anderson after such a short period of time, Mangini has all but guaranteed that Quinn cannot reach those escalators, and will cost much, much less against the salary cap, and will also make him more tradeable.
2. Eric Mangini never wanted Quinn as his starter to begin with.
Why else would this competition have gone on so long in the pre-season? Why else would Anderson–a guy we already have quite an extensive tome on with respect to his strengths and weaknesses as a player–keep getting so many chances? Why else would Mangini insist that Brett Ratliff be included in the trade with the Jets on draft-day?
3. Mangini wanted an excuse to get rid of Quinn.
Following up on #2, Mangini knew that it would be a mistake simpy to cut Quinn, which would basically tell the fan base, “Look, we’re going to suck on ice for the next two years, so we’re just going to with the guy who’s under the expensive contract and will keep the seat warm until I can get more of my guys in here on both sides of the ball to be ready for a new QB of the future.” To do so would be a PR suicide. Browns fans are nothing if not willing to forget things in the short-term and go into almost every season with some kind of blind optimism. Why urinate on that before the season even started?
4. Mangini set Quinn up to fail.
Because of #2 and #3, Mangini pre-orchestrated a plan to give Quinn a minscule shot so that he could say to the fan base, “See? We tried. It didn’t work. Time to move on to Plan B-as-in-’Blow Up’ folks,” and at the first sign of struggle would then jettison the Golden Domer in favor of Anderson to ride out the next two years while DA’s still under contract. Why else would we have such crappy play-calling game-in and game-out? Why else would the playcalling open up somewhat once DA was inserted in the third quarter on Sunday? Why else would Josh Cribbs be the starting #2 wide receiver when he hasn’t showed enough to merit that continued opportunity?
5. The Smoking Gun: Brian Robiskie will not only be active on Sunday, but will start opposite Edwards.
Mangini will announce that Robiskie made great strides in practice this week, and not only will he be active, but will start and make an impact. Cincinnati’s secondary is by far their weakest area, and Mangini will set Anderson up to look light years better than Quinn in an effort to justify moving Mr. Myoplex at the trading deadline for additional draft picks.
It’s all part of the master plan, folks. Mangini played us all like fiddles in an effort to get Quinn out of here and buy some time to build a team for his own QB in 2011, whether it be Ratliff or someone else not yet on the roster.
And, in a final move, Quinn will rip off his Browns jersey on Sunday to reveal a Dolphins jersey underneath, will hit Mangini with a folding chair, and then climb to the top of the benches and deliver one last flying elbow to the lumbar region, marking the end of this clowny chapter in Browns QB history."
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It will give me mixed feelings if BQ is traded.
+ I will be happy cos this will finally end the controversy. We all will now have to get behind DA - All the players will have to get in synch with just one guy and that makes life easier for the players and the OC. DA can also concentrate on just playing well without worrying about being yanked.
- I will feel sad cos we do not know what we have with this guy, He was one of the few guys who wanted to play for this team and was giving it his best. If he succeeds we will land up looking worse than the three stooges. Also if DA were to get injured then the one backup we have is still unprepared !
Anyways - what has to happen will happen !
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This is all so weird in retrospect. Imagine if someone posted a few months back that not only would Anderson be the starter, but Quinn would be on the chopping block AFTER a game where Anderson went for 2 for 17.
Lumbergh was basically some kind of football idiot savant.
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@shepwrite said:
I think it's pretty crazy, too... and Quinn should have started at least until the bye. He played against three great defenses with one WR who couldn't catch and another who wasn't a WR, no running game, and severe restrictions.Agreed, it wasn't at all pretty. But I was still shocked when he was pulled. Intrigued and a little hopeful... but still shocked. Now that Anderson has blown ass, it looks even crazier.
I think the 11 mill thing comes into play, given a few things Mangini has said about saving money that will improve the team in the offseason. Quinn needs to start about 11 games to make his money, so the plan might have been to let Anderson suck for a few more games and check into Quinn after the bye.
I don't think Quinn is down with that plan, though.
I think the incentives were the nail in the coffin, too.
Pretty good break down, if no one's read it:
"Cleveland Browns QB Conspiracy Corner
This is a new feature of mine. It will run this one time. Then it will be gone. Until it comes back.
When I started writing my piece yesterday about the QB Break Down (double-entendre alert!), I never had an honest thought in my head that by the time I was done DA would actually have been named the starter. Call it wishful thinking; call it naiveté; call it whatever you must. The fact is, I never dreamed that after only 2.5 games anyone would be willing to say they’d seen enough of Brady Quinn to know he had no future with this team.
Alas, I was wrong.
But, I don’t think it’s that simple. As Keyser Soze once opined, “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.” So, while some may choose to believe that Brady Quinn got hosed, and that Eric Mangini is merely trying to net some offense to stave off the wolves at the door for awhile at the expense of long-term development, I think the answer has been hiding right in front of our faces all along.
1. Brady Quinn’s contract is laden with incentives.
As Deep Throat (the Nixon guy, you pervs) once stated, “Follow the money!” It’s not a secret that Quinn’s deal has escalators that kick in after he plays a certain percentage of the team’s snaps as well as anything stats-related. It’s not a secret that the lion’s share of DA’s money has already been paid out in bonus form. By pulling Quinn in favor of Anderson after such a short period of time, Mangini has all but guaranteed that Quinn cannot reach those escalators, and will cost much, much less against the salary cap, and will also make him more tradeable.
2. Eric Mangini never wanted Quinn as his starter to begin with.
Why else would this competition have gone on so long in the pre-season? Why else would Anderson–a guy we already have quite an extensive tome on with respect to his strengths and weaknesses as a player–keep getting so many chances? Why else would Mangini insist that Brett Ratliff be included in the trade with the Jets on draft-day?
3. Mangini wanted an excuse to get rid of Quinn.
Following up on #2, Mangini knew that it would be a mistake simpy to cut Quinn, which would basically tell the fan base, “Look, we’re going to suck on ice for the next two years, so we’re just going to with the guy who’s under the expensive contract and will keep the seat warm until I can get more of my guys in here on both sides of the ball to be ready for a new QB of the future.” To do so would be a PR suicide. Browns fans are nothing if not willing to forget things in the short-term and go into almost every season with some kind of blind optimism. Why urinate on that before the season even started?
4. Mangini set Quinn up to fail.
Because of #2 and #3, Mangini pre-orchestrated a plan to give Quinn a minscule shot so that he could say to the fan base, “See? We tried. It didn’t work. Time to move on to Plan B-as-in-’Blow Up’ folks,” and at the first sign of struggle would then jettison the Golden Domer in favor of Anderson to ride out the next two years while DA’s still under contract. Why else would we have such crappy play-calling game-in and game-out? Why else would the playcalling open up somewhat once DA was inserted in the third quarter on Sunday? Why else would Josh Cribbs be the starting #2 wide receiver when he hasn’t showed enough to merit that continued opportunity?
5. The Smoking Gun: Brian Robiskie will not only be active on Sunday, but will start opposite Edwards.
Mangini will announce that Robiskie made great strides in practice this week, and not only will he be active, but will start and make an impact. Cincinnati’s secondary is by far their weakest area, and Mangini will set Anderson up to look light years better than Quinn in an effort to justify moving Mr. Myoplex at the trading deadline for additional draft picks.
It’s all part of the master plan, folks. Mangini played us all like fiddles in an effort to get Quinn out of here and buy some time to build a team for his own QB in 2011, whether it be Ratliff or someone else not yet on the roster.
And, in a final move, Quinn will rip off his Browns jersey on Sunday to reveal a Dolphins jersey underneath, will hit Mangini with a folding chair, and then climb to the top of the benches and deliver one last flying elbow to the lumbar region, marking the end of this clowny chapter in Browns QB history."
I think the incentives were the nail in the coffin, too.
Pretty good break down, if no one's read it:
"Cleveland Browns QB Conspiracy Corner
This is a new feature of mine. It will run this one time. Then it will be gone. Until it comes back.
When I started writing my piece yesterday about the QB Break Down (double-entendre alert!), I never had an honest thought in my head that by the time I was done DA would actually have been named the starter. Call it wishful thinking; call it naiveté; call it whatever you must. The fact is, I never dreamed that after only 2.5 games anyone would be willing to say they’d seen enough of Brady Quinn to know he had no future with this team.
Alas, I was wrong.
But, I don’t think it’s that simple. As Keyser Soze once opined, “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.” So, while some may choose to believe that Brady Quinn got hosed, and that Eric Mangini is merely trying to net some offense to stave off the wolves at the door for awhile at the expense of long-term development, I think the answer has been hiding right in front of our faces all along.
1. Brady Quinn’s contract is laden with incentives.
As Deep Throat (the Nixon guy, you pervs) once stated, “Follow the money!” It’s not a secret that Quinn’s deal has escalators that kick in after he plays a certain percentage of the team’s snaps as well as anything stats-related. It’s not a secret that the lion’s share of DA’s money has already been paid out in bonus form. By pulling Quinn in favor of Anderson after such a short period of time, Mangini has all but guaranteed that Quinn cannot reach those escalators, and will cost much, much less against the salary cap, and will also make him more tradeable.
2. Eric Mangini never wanted Quinn as his starter to begin with.
Why else would this competition have gone on so long in the pre-season? Why else would Anderson–a guy we already have quite an extensive tome on with respect to his strengths and weaknesses as a player–keep getting so many chances? Why else would Mangini insist that Brett Ratliff be included in the trade with the Jets on draft-day?
3. Mangini wanted an excuse to get rid of Quinn.
Following up on #2, Mangini knew that it would be a mistake simpy to cut Quinn, which would basically tell the fan base, “Look, we’re going to suck on ice for the next two years, so we’re just going to with the guy who’s under the expensive contract and will keep the seat warm until I can get more of my guys in here on both sides of the ball to be ready for a new QB of the future.” To do so would be a PR suicide. Browns fans are nothing if not willing to forget things in the short-term and go into almost every season with some kind of blind optimism. Why urinate on that before the season even started?
4. Mangini set Quinn up to fail.
Because of #2 and #3, Mangini pre-orchestrated a plan to give Quinn a minscule shot so that he could say to the fan base, “See? We tried. It didn’t work. Time to move on to Plan B-as-in-’Blow Up’ folks,” and at the first sign of struggle would then jettison the Golden Domer in favor of Anderson to ride out the next two years while DA’s still under contract. Why else would we have such crappy play-calling game-in and game-out? Why else would the playcalling open up somewhat once DA was inserted in the third quarter on Sunday? Why else would Josh Cribbs be the starting #2 wide receiver when he hasn’t showed enough to merit that continued opportunity?
5. The Smoking Gun: Brian Robiskie will not only be active on Sunday, but will start opposite Edwards.
Mangini will announce that Robiskie made great strides in practice this week, and not only will he be active, but will start and make an impact. Cincinnati’s secondary is by far their weakest area, and Mangini will set Anderson up to look light years better than Quinn in an effort to justify moving Mr. Myoplex at the trading deadline for additional draft picks.
It’s all part of the master plan, folks. Mangini played us all like fiddles in an effort to get Quinn out of here and buy some time to build a team for his own QB in 2011, whether it be Ratliff or someone else not yet on the roster.
And, in a final move, Quinn will rip off his Browns jersey on Sunday to reveal a Dolphins jersey underneath, will hit Mangini with a folding chair, and then climb to the top of the benches and deliver one last flying elbow to the lumbar region, marking the end of this clowny chapter in Browns QB history."
It is actually lame. Why would a coach put his job on the line just to save money for the team ? Also Robiskie did not play in the Cincy game. Mangini is not here to play punkd. He is trying to do things his own way without caring for anyone and he will continue to do so until Lerner has had enough.
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Yeah, the signs are pretty clear. Quinn didn't really ever look good, but still... what the hell? He knew what Anderson had, so making a final judgment on Quinn after being his coach for 2.5 games is... breathtakingly arrogant, at best. This man had better be convinced that Ratliff is the second coming if this trade goes down, ESPECIALLY if it's a 3rd and a 5th.
And setting Quinn up to fail... perhaps I'm simply an optimist, but that, too, is mind-boggling. If you were setting him up to fail, why even bother going through the motion just to reduce his trade value? And yet, the playcalling indicates that he didn't want him to succeed... or that Daboll's just a tool.
I can't follow Mangini's reasoning. If Quinn's failure was simply on himself, how could he conclude that definitively after coaching him for 2.5 games, and why did Daboll's playcalling change so much in the Baltimore game?
If Daboll was at fault, why is he still in town? After all, it took Mangini less time to determine that Quinn was a bust.
If he did set him up for failure, why bother playing him? Lums could have told you that if you set someone up to fail, his draft stock will go down. We could have gotten a first for him in the offseason. Why intentionally sabotage his trade value?
I'm not the most intelligent man to grace the Earth: note this carefully. Nevertheless, if someone-anyone-could determine any clear motives for this, I would love to hear them, as they elude me. Either we have a shrewd politician who values his job above all else or we have someone with a limited capacity for rational thought.
The mind, it boggles.
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Yeah, the signs are pretty clear. Quinn didn't really ever look good, but still... what the hell? He knew what Anderson had, so making a final judgment on Quinn after being his coach for 2.5 games is... breathtakingly arrogant, at best. This man had better be convinced that Ratliff is the second coming if this trade goes down, ESPECIALLY if it's a 3rd and a 5th.
And setting Quinn up to fail... perhaps I'm simply an optimist, but that, too, is mind-boggling. If you were setting him up to fail, why even bother going through the motion just to reduce his trade value? And yet, the playcalling indicates that he didn't want him to succeed... or that Daboll's just a tool.
I can't follow Mangini's reasoning. If Quinn's failure was simply on himself, how could he conclude that definitively after coaching him for 2.5 games, and why did Daboll's playcalling change so much in the Baltimore game?
If Daboll was at fault, why is he still in town? After all, it took Mangini less time to determine that Quinn was a bust.
If he did set him up for failure, why bother playing him? Lums could have told you that if you set someone up to fail, his draft stock will go down. We could have gotten a first for him in the offseason. Why intentionally sabotage his trade value?
I'm not the most intelligent man to grace the Earth: note this carefully. Nevertheless, if someone-anyone-could determine any clear motives for this, I would love to hear them, as they elude me. Either we have a shrewd politician who values his job above all else or we have someone with a limited capacity for rational thought.
The mind, it boggles.
I'm not the most intelligent man to grace the Earth: note this carefully. Nevertheless, if someone-anyone-could determine any clear motives for this, I would love to hear them, as they elude me. Either we have a shrewd politician who values his job above all else or we have someone with a limited capacity for rational thought.
The mind, it boggles.
I will try. My guess (and mind you, it's based on a headache-inducing-lattice-of-logic) is that perhaps it went something like this:
Lerner: Coach, the previous GM drafted Quinn who is very popular. Can we win with him?
Coach: Al, I don't really trust either QB but I see more in DA that I like than Quinn.
Lerner: Coach, this is a local kid. Can we at least give him a shot? The fans love him. He's a poster boy. It's a PR bonanza if we can win with him.
Coach: I don't know Al; He doesn't seem to (insert skill here) well. I don't see him as your QB of the future
Lerner: Coach, give him a chance. If it doesn't work then it doesn't work and we move on (i.e., he gets to play in real action...that's a condition)
Then, you see Mangini go through the "process" (which I believe Quinn legitimately showed more).
Regular season starts and Lerner sees what Mangini sees and agrees that keeping both QBs will only make the season more difficult and his wallet lighter.
That's a guess. It's the only thing that makes sense to me.
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Seems like Seattle with Hasslebeck would be a good fit.
Seems like Seattle with Hasslebeck would be a good fit.
Putting him in Lum's backyard, for his theoretical home team. That would make my day.
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It will give me mixed feelings if BQ is traded.
+ I will be happy cos this will finally end the controversy. We all will now have to get behind DA - All the players will have to get in synch with just one guy and that makes life easier for the players and the OC. DA can also concentrate on just playing well without worrying about being yanked.
- I will feel sad cos we do not know what we have with this guy, He was one of the few guys who wanted to play for this team and was giving it his best. If he succeeds we will land up looking worse than the three stooges. Also if DA were to get injured then the one backup we have is still unprepared !
Anyways - what has to happen will happen !
It will give me mixed feelings if BQ is traded.
+ I will be happy cos this will finally end the controversy. We all will now have to get behind DA - All the players will have to get in synch with just one guy and that makes life easier for the players and the OC. DA can also concentrate on just playing well without worrying about being yanked.
- I will feel sad cos we do not know what we have with this guy, He was one of the few guys who wanted to play for this team and was giving it his best. If he succeeds we will land up looking worse than the three stooges. Also if DA were to get injured then the one backup we have is still unprepared !
Anyways - what has to happen will happen !
If DA continues to suck to high heaven...people will be screaming for Ratliff. I've said it many times: I think Mangini wants Ratliff as the starter. Remove Quinn entirely from the picture, and it's easy to give Ratliff the starting job.
That's really underhanded, and says a lot about this coach.
We'll see in the next couple of weeks.
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Yeah, the signs are pretty clear. Quinn didn't really ever look good, but still... what the hell? He knew what Anderson had, so making a final judgment on Quinn after being his coach for 2.5 games is... breathtakingly arrogant, at best. This man had better be convinced that Ratliff is the second coming if this trade goes down, ESPECIALLY if it's a 3rd and a 5th.
And setting Quinn up to fail... perhaps I'm simply an optimist, but that, too, is mind-boggling. If you were setting him up to fail, why even bother going through the motion just to reduce his trade value? And yet, the playcalling indicates that he didn't want him to succeed... or that Daboll's just a tool.
I can't follow Mangini's reasoning. If Quinn's failure was simply on himself, how could he conclude that definitively after coaching him for 2.5 games, and why did Daboll's playcalling change so much in the Baltimore game?
If Daboll was at fault, why is he still in town? After all, it took Mangini less time to determine that Quinn was a bust.
If he did set him up for failure, why bother playing him? Lums could have told you that if you set someone up to fail, his draft stock will go down. We could have gotten a first for him in the offseason. Why intentionally sabotage his trade value?
I'm not the most intelligent man to grace the Earth: note this carefully. Nevertheless, if someone-anyone-could determine any clear motives for this, I would love to hear them, as they elude me. Either we have a shrewd politician who values his job above all else or we have someone with a limited capacity for rational thought.
The mind, it boggles.
Yeah, the signs are pretty clear. Quinn didn't really ever look good, but still... what the hell? He knew what Anderson had, so making a final judgment on Quinn after being his coach for 2.5 games is... breathtakingly arrogant, at best. This man had better be convinced that Ratliff is the second coming if this trade goes down, ESPECIALLY if it's a 3rd and a 5th.
Apply Ockham's Razor (sp?) here. Conspiracy theories are fun, but most likely:
1) He didn't like Quinn as the starter - maybe he didn't suit the offense, maybe he just doesn't like HIM.
2) He didn't have a choice once Quinn outplayed DA in the preseason BUT to start him
3) He believes his judgement is correct, but had to verify it. Arrogant or confidence to arrive at that conclusion 2.5 games into the season (especially given the state of the team overall), but there you go.
I don't believe it, but it is the simplest explanation.
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Hmm, well maybe it is just a speculative move on his part.
Reports: Brady Quinn puts Avon home up for sale
By Tony Grossi
October 13, 2009, 11:29PM
Tracy Boulian/PDBrady Quinn is reportedly deciding whether to ask the Browns for a trade.
Shaw: Browns shouldn't rush into dealCLEVELAND, Ohio -- Brady Quinn's home in Avon Lake was listed for sale on Tuesday, according to multiple reports.
The deposed Browns quarterback feels his time with the team is nearing an end. Since being replaced by Derek Anderson, Quinn has been at odds with coach Eric Mangini and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, said a source.
Quinn's practice reps have dried up and he has challenged Mangini about his demotion after 2 1/2 games as the Browns' starting quarterback.
Quinn is missing out on about $11 million in salary escalators in his contract by not being on the field for 70 percent of the snaps this season. His is signed through 2011.
The source said that Quinn was weighing whether to formally ask the team to trade him. Some in the league believe the Browns will not pull the trigger on a trade because Quinn's value has plummeted.
The NFL trading deadline is Oct. 20.
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It will give me mixed feelings if BQ is traded.
+ I will be happy cos this will finally end the controversy. We all will now have to get behind DA - All the players will have to get in synch with just one guy and that makes life easier for the players and the OC. DA can also concentrate on just playing well without worrying about being yanked.
- I will feel sad cos we do not know what we have with this guy, He was one of the few guys who wanted to play for this team and was giving it his best. If he succeeds we will land up looking worse than the three stooges. Also if DA were to get injured then the one backup we have is still unprepared !
Anyways - what has to happen will happen !
If DA continues to suck to high heaven...people will be screaming for Ratliff. I've said it many times: I think Mangini wants Ratliff as the starter. Remove Quinn entirely from the picture, and it's easy to give Ratliff the starting job.
That's really underhanded, and says a lot about this coach.
We'll see in the next couple of weeks.
If DA continues to suck to high heaven...people will be screaming for Ratliff. I've said it many times: I think Mangini wants Ratliff as the starter. Remove Quinn entirely from the picture, and it's easy to give Ratliff the starting job.
That's really underhanded, and says a lot about this coach.
We'll see in the next couple of weeks.
Ya, and if Ratliff blows, Mangini just punched his ticket out of town.
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@inspecta said:
I'm not big on players "challenging" the coach cause I think you have to do what you're told, however in Quinns case I think he has an absolutely valid argument.This kid sat and waited....and waited....and waited.....the whole time working his ass off, doing the right thing, saying the right things, being a good teammate. Then after 2.5 games he gets pulled. Now that's not even the biggest rub. The biggest rub is how differently they approached the offense once Anderson went in. He had different weapons, and different playcalling. And I'm sure Quinn overheard Mangini or Daboll telling Anderson he could do things that Quinn was told was off limits. Is that last sentence speculation on my part? Yeah, but the fact that Quinn has had enough and is now starting to let this leak out into the media tells a lot of the story. He's been treated like absolute shit since day one, and even then kept his mouth shut and did what was right.
I don't blame Quinn for wanting a trade, and unless they plan to put him back in the starters role they should grant him a trade.
Effectively, Mangini is telling Quinn- "Son, you ain't even a practice squad QB in this league. I really don't think you're better than (statistically) the worst starter in the NFL. I'm sticking with DA even though guys with better QB stats are getting benched, and commentators on ESPN and the National Networks are laughing at Anderson, he's so damn inept." EM had damn well better be right!
PS Jets fans are saying Mangini is a dork- this could be exhibit 1B, Braylon being exhibit 1A.
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