NFL Scouts on 2010 QB's

NW Ohio Brownie

I agree with Lumbergh.

The Browns won't be picking top five. Have you seen how many rotten teams there are this year? Clearly the Rams, Raiders, Buccaneers and Chiefs are worse than the Browns. Then there's the 0-5 Titans, the Jaguars, and the Lions. You can even throw in the Redskins who are a terrible 2-3.

And I am going on record right now in saying that the Browns would be CRAZY to draft a QB with their first pick next year. Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow are not future stars in the NFL.

Bradford's arm is not strong enough and he plays exclusively out of the shotgun.

Tebow is a great college player whose game won't transfer to the NFL. Too bad, too, because he's got the right kind of intangibles to succeed.

McCoy has the best shot of the 3, but when I look at him he sure as hell doesn't remind of Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer.

Vegasdogg

Alo if we pick top 10 and a few teams go QB, I would LOVE to have any of the 3 SOB's in those videos. Suh, Berry, McCoy in that order. Maybe swap Suh for Berry. But I'd take any of those guys at our pick.

damajuki

I'm for drafting whomever Alo tells us to draft.

Seriously, can we get this guy a job with the Browns?

I'll never understand how so-called "professionals" mess it up so often while so-called "amateurs" like Heck and Alo always have the goods.

Whatever Alo says, I agree with.

Alo

(clicks imaginary Thanks button)

Legacy Fan

@shepwrite said:
Alo's a good one, no doubt. Heck is, too... except for his fixation with tight ends. Insert stupid left coast gay joke here.

Kyle Rudolph! Kyle Rudolph!

Alo

@vegasdogg said:
Alo if we pick top 10 and a few teams go QB, I would LOVE to have any of the 3 SOB's in those videos. Suh, Berry, McCoy in that order.

I'm actually leaning in that direction myself, but I'd very happy with either Suh or Berry. McCoy as well, but he's a little more of an iffy scheme fit.

NW Ohio Brownie

@shepwrite said:
I take it Suh can play DE in the 3-4? Is so, I'd like him. I think we're pretty strong at safety, relatively speaking. Elam and Pool are playing very well.
Corey Williams seems to be getting it. I could see him, Rogers, and Suh... but we damn sure need a better OLB opposite Wimbley, too. And a quarterback, running back, right tackle, and #1 WR.

That's pretty much it.

We're not strong at safety. Not even close. Pool has had a few good games in a row. I think he's starting to get it with this defensive coaching staff in place.

As far as Elam goes, he wouldn't have a job if it weren't for Mangini taking him in. He's serviceable at best, but shame on me if I want more. Having to watch Polly and Reed four times a year makes me that way. Those are tremendous, game-changing, defense-changing, offensive-game-plan changing safeties.

That's why Eric Berry is the man. He'll change everything we can do on defense. Have any of you seen this guy? He's flat-out ridiculous. He was clearly the best player on the field against Florida and Georgia and it wasn't even disputable.

Those other players are good, Shep, but a dynamic safety could alter our entire defense.

Sez.EJ

Why are we looking at QB when we have such a stud in DA? He is a lock for the probowl after last week. all kidding aside..

the LAST thing we need is another first round qb.. we have much bigger needs.. I would rather fill other spots and live with what we have and a veteran. We have not picked a DE in 7 years in the top 3.. HUGE need area.. on both ends.. RT is a huge need. the whole defense.. Runningback..

Spectrum

Indy w/o Sanders...

Look at how much bringing Dawkins in has helped Denver. Yes they brought in a lot of guys on D this year, but don't overlook Dawkins' influence at the back.

Hate to say it as well, don't take it the wrong way, but the skins D misses Taylor badly.

A bigtime safety not only can make plays on his own, but they erase a lot of mistakes made by e eryone infront of them.

If you can't tell I'm on board with the Berry/Mays idea. There isn't a QB I'd touch in the first two rounds this year and I'm not about to go burn a pick on a stud back with a 5yr life expectancy when we have no QB and right side of the line.

As for WR, we have enough there for now. I think you have a 1 and 2 in time. So maybe it's not moss and welker or moss and Carter, but they will be as productive as any duo we've had here. Yes I'm probably higher than most on those two, they're probably a pair of 2s on pass happy teams, but just cause chicks dig the deep ball, don't mean it it's the only way to score.

hammertime

This kind of thread is what makes this forum enjoyable.

I wonder if Quinn is being warehoused until the team 'gels'.

Mangini's draft record indicates he's gonna go defense in this draft, hopefully there are some quality character players out there.

Top 5 maybe, top ten probaly.

The Gipper

@danamal said:
Is it at all possible we dont draft from this weak QB class?
Is their a better option top five which im sure we will be in for RB or Defense that is a better fit for us?

Absolutely. I believe Mangini will definitely go defense.

Eric Berry DB Tenn.

King Kong Suh DT Nebraska

Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma

Mays of USC

There are a couple of defenders on Florida. LB Spikes, plus a DE of theirs

If the Browns draft in Top 10, hopefully one of them will be the choice.

The Gipper

@legacy-fan said:
Kyle Rudolph! Kyle Rudolph!

OK, refresh our memory on who Kyle Rudolph is.

Vegasdogg

@the-gipper said:
OK, refresh our memory on who Kyle Rudolph is.

Blasphemy!!

GO IRISH!!!!!!

BrownieBornNRaised

Tennessee isnt doing much this year, but thats not due to Eric Berry or the defense. The defense is pretty solid and Eric Berry is the stud on that side of the ball. They dont have a QB that strikes fear into opposing defenses. In fact the one game that the QB actually played well was the Georgia game and Tenn dominated them.

Alo

@shepwrite said:
This morning, LA Times referenced the former NFL scout who now writes for Sporting News, and he has the QBs this way:
1. Bradford

2. Pike

3. Clausen

4. McCoy

5. Tebow

2010 QB class has plenty of big names, but only Bradford may have NFL game

I thought this was really bizarre:

Russ Lande said:
7. Jake Locker, Washington (junior)
Upside: He is a big-time athlete with the quickness and speed and a strong arm. If he's able to improve his footwork and mechanics, he could become a Donovan McNabb-like QB.

Downside: He is inaccurate and inconsistent, and without great improvement never will be more than an NFL backup.

Projection: He definitely should stay in school and work on his mechanics and accuracy.
If he comes out early, he'll be a fifth-round pick. He has a lot of work to do before being ready to play in the NFL.

I agree that Locker could use another year of development before heading to the NFL, but there's no way a guy with his combination of tools and intangibles slides to the 5th round.

Flugel

@shepwrite said:
And I'm not accepting those worn out dings on USC defenders anymore. All three USC backers are rocking pretty solid right now.

Good point Shep! Cincy has 2 USC LBers (Rivers and Rey) and those seem like 2 of the newest starters on that D aside from Odom. They're in first place all of a sudden so I think it's a little more than a coincidence.

Clay Matthews scored a TD the last time I saw him impacting things.

All I know about Cushing this year is that he's starting.

While we're at it, has anyone seen former Trojan Steve Smith playing some of the best WR in the NFL this year? He's a stud!

- Tom F.

Alo

@flugel said:
While we're at it, has anyone seen former Trojan Steve Smith playing some of the best WR in the NFL this year? He's a stud!

Definitely a stud. I bet the folks in Carolina wish they drafted him instead of Dwayne Jarrett.

But I don't get how this has any relevance to two scouts' evaluation of Taylor Mays' game. I mean, I could understand retreating to a defense of "everyone hates us because they're jealous" if someone here were using Jarrett's rep to bash Damian Williams. That's clearly not happening, and I'll call bs if it does.

Instead, we're talking about a guy who's a good player but may have some flaws (some of which Jason J discussed here). And the fact that we're even talking about him is a testament to the kind of publicity USC generates. If the guy played at LSU, his name would be Chad Jones and about 90% of the posters here wouldn't know who he was.

BernietheKid

@alo said:
Definitely a stud. I bet the folks in Carolina wish they drafted him instead of Dwayne Jarrett.
But I don't get how this has any relevance to two scouts' evaluation of Taylor Mays' game. I mean, I could understand retreating to a defense of "everyone hates us because they're jealous" if someone here were using Jarrett's rep to bash Damian Williams. That's clearly not happening, and I'll call bs if it does.

Instead, we're talking about a guy who's a good player but may have some flaws (some of which Jason J discussed here). And the fact that we're even talking about him is a testament to the kind of publicity USC generates. If the guy played at LSU, his name would be Chad Jones and about 90% of the posters here wouldn't know who he was.

Thanks Alo! I always wondered how Mays would do this year with all those LB's gone in front of him. I really have only seen him a couple of times this year but from what I have seen from Berry I like him better.

My top 5 would be this:

1. Suh

2. Berry

3. McCoy

4. Mays

5. McClain

I would be happy with any of these guys because I think we need to defense in the first rd.

Alo

I'd probably have Mays lower than 4th on my list. But I don't want to take on his game right now, both because there's a lot more football to play this year and because it wouldn't be fair to throw around a lot of criticism without giving Shep a chance to respond, which he can't do right now because his account has been suspended.

It's really hard to talk football when one side of the debate is shut down mid-convo.

Vegasdogg

@alo said:
giving Shep a chance to respond, which he can't do right now because his account has been suspended.

Oh well then, I will do that for him:

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