PFT is reporting that Brady Quinn's house is for sale
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They would never come out and say it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they actually saw quinn as the better qb, but only incrementally so, and were benching him for contract/salary cap purposes. i'm not sure how communicative mangini is with his players, but i feel like just ignoring that as your motivation in talks with the player could create tension and ill will. if that's the case i'd be upfront enough to say look, we think there's a chance you might work out here, but since we havent seen enough for us to be sure of that, we can't play you 70% of the time this year. that incentive was built into the deal so that you'd be fairly rewarded if you turned out to be THE guy, which you haven't, yet. you might, and if you do, we'll revisit the contract terms, do an extension, whatever your play warrants. no hard feelings, but this is our right from a business perspective, and the reason that the escalator terms are put into the deal in the first place, from the team's point of view.
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They would never come out and say it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they actually saw quinn as the better qb, but only incrementally so, and were benching him for contract/salary cap purposes. i'm not sure how communicative mangini is with his players, but i feel like just ignoring that as your motivation in talks with the player could create tension and ill will. if that's the case i'd be upfront enough to say look, we think there's a chance you might work out here, but since we havent seen enough for us to be sure of that, we can't play you 70% of the time this year. that incentive was built into the deal so that you'd be fairly rewarded if you turned out to be THE guy, which you haven't, yet. you might, and if you do, we'll revisit the contract terms, do an extension, whatever your play warrants. no hard feelings, but this is our right from a business perspective, and the reason that the escalator terms are put into the deal in the first place, from the team's point of view.
They would never come out and say it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they actually saw quinn as the better qb, but only incrementally so, and were benching him for contract/salary cap purposes. i'm not sure how communicative mangini is with his players, but i feel like just ignoring that as your motivation in talks with the player could create tension and ill will. if that's the case i'd be upfront enough to say look, we think there's a chance you might work out here, but since we havent seen enough for us to be sure of that, we can't play you 70% of the time this year. that incentive was built into the deal so that you'd be fairly rewarded if you turned out to be THE guy, which you haven't, yet. you might, and if you do, we'll revisit the contract terms, do an extension, whatever your play warrants. no hard feelings, but this is our right from a business perspective, and the reason that the escalator terms are put into the deal in the first place, from the team's point of view.
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They would never come out and say it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they actually saw quinn as the better qb, but only incrementally so, and were benching him for contract/salary cap purposes. i'm not sure how communicative mangini is with his players, but i feel like just ignoring that as your motivation in talks with the player could create tension and ill will. if that's the case i'd be upfront enough to say look, we think there's a chance you might work out here, but since we havent seen enough for us to be sure of that, we can't play you 70% of the time this year. that incentive was built into the deal so that you'd be fairly rewarded if you turned out to be THE guy, which you haven't, yet. you might, and if you do, we'll revisit the contract terms, do an extension, whatever your play warrants. no hard feelings, but this is our right from a business perspective, and the reason that the escalator terms are put into the deal in the first place, from the team's point of view.
They would never come out and say it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they actually saw quinn as the better qb, but only incrementally so, and were benching him for contract/salary cap purposes. i'm not sure how communicative mangini is with his players, but i feel like just ignoring that as your motivation in talks with the player could create tension and ill will. if that's the case i'd be upfront enough to say look, we think there's a chance you might work out here, but since we havent seen enough for us to be sure of that, we can't play you 70% of the time this year. that incentive was built into the deal so that you'd be fairly rewarded if you turned out to be THE guy, which you haven't, yet. you might, and if you do, we'll revisit the contract terms, do an extension, whatever your play warrants. no hard feelings, but this is our right from a business perspective, and the reason that the escalator terms are put into the deal in the first place, from the team's point of view.
Exactly.
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@jadbf said:
For BOTH SIDES. so while I can actually agree with a theory that says mangini is keeping Quinn on the bench so that he doesn't reach that escalator, but might actually then later try to develop him for the future. If ANYONE thinks it would be a good idea for him to actually TELL QUINN that is what he is doing, they are crazy.As much as Lums thinks saying it's all about the money for Quinn as if it's some kind of slam. It's reality. Every player plays this game for the most money they can wring out of an owner. And if another owner offered them more, for the most part they take it.
SO telling a player, "hey we think you might be good, but we don't want to let you prove it till the part of your contract that allows you to make more money expires" would just be the dumbest thing ever.
I fully agree with you. I'd add that no coach or organization is going to sacrifice the development of a QB, that they actually believe will develop, for the sake of saving a few million. The money saved does not out way the upside for your team.
All this conspiricy stuff and you'd think Oliver Stone was covering the Browns.
I think it is as simple as this, EM does not believe Quinn is the QB for this team going forward, which is the reason he's on the bench.
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@jadbf said:
For BOTH SIDES. so while I can actually agree with a theory that says mangini is keeping Quinn on the bench so that he doesn't reach that escalator, but might actually then later try to develop him for the future. If ANYONE thinks it would be a good idea for him to actually TELL QUINN that is what he is doing, they are crazy.As much as Lums thinks saying it's all about the money for Quinn as if it's some kind of slam. It's reality. Every player plays this game for the most money they can wring out of an owner. And if another owner offered them more, for the most part they take it.
SO telling a player, "hey we think you might be good, but we don't want to let you prove it till the part of your contract that allows you to make more money expires" would just be the dumbest thing ever.
I agree it is pretty dumb. But I think mangini's reasoning is that we weren't really going to compete this year anyway, so save all the money we can.
I'm guessing that Quinn will get a 2nd audition after the escalator is unattainable. If he passes the audition, he gets a new contract. If he fails, they keep him as a cheap backup / trade him / release him.
What do you think?
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@jadbf said:
Well I could still concieve of a situation where Mangini believes Quinn has a higher ceiling than DA, but that with the talent on this team (the lack there of actually) and the expectations that Quinn was under, he felt it better to put him back on the bench and continue to work on his development there. While trying to win one or two more games with DA at the helm this year.again I probably more agree with your statement than what I just wrote. BUt I can at least fathom what I wrote over some "it's the money" conspiracy.
I can fathom what you just wrote. Just don't think it is likely.
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again: why would a coach care if a player meets certain escalators in his contract? He wouldn't. Especially if he thought the player was any good. The escalators are already accounted for in the salary cap.
If Mangini really valued Quinn, he would be playing him, wanting him to get experience.
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They would never come out and say it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they actually saw quinn as the better qb, but only incrementally so, and were benching him for contract/salary cap purposes. i'm not sure how communicative mangini is with his players, but i feel like just ignoring that as your motivation in talks with the player could create tension and ill will. if that's the case i'd be upfront enough to say look, we think there's a chance you might work out here, but since we havent seen enough for us to be sure of that, we can't play you 70% of the time this year. that incentive was built into the deal so that you'd be fairly rewarded if you turned out to be THE guy, which you haven't, yet. you might, and if you do, we'll revisit the contract terms, do an extension, whatever your play warrants. no hard feelings, but this is our right from a business perspective, and the reason that the escalator terms are put into the deal in the first place, from the team's point of view.
They would never come out and say it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they actually saw quinn as the better qb, but only incrementally so, and were benching him for contract/salary cap purposes. i'm not sure how communicative mangini is with his players, but i feel like just ignoring that as your motivation in talks with the player could create tension and ill will. if that's the case i'd be upfront enough to say look, we think there's a chance you might work out here, but since we havent seen enough for us to be sure of that, we can't play you 70% of the time this year. that incentive was built into the deal so that you'd be fairly rewarded if you turned out to be THE guy, which you haven't, yet. you might, and if you do, we'll revisit the contract terms, do an extension, whatever your play warrants. no hard feelings, but this is our right from a business perspective, and the reason that the escalator terms are put into the deal in the first place, from the team's point of view.
It'll be interesting to see if they reinsert Quinn after he can no longer mathematically reach his escalators. I think it's a possibly, provided they don't trade him before the deadline.
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Quinn's house for sale, but Browns deny tradeAssociated Press
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Updated: October 14, 2009, 12:34 PM EDT 72 comments
BEREA, Ohio (AP) - Browns coach Eric Mangini said he's not trying to trade quarterback Brady Quinn, who lost his starting job after just 10 quarters this season.
With the Oct. 20 trade deadline approaching, there has been mounting speculation the Browns will deal Quinn, a former first-round pick who began the season as Cleveland's starter. But Quinn struggled in losses to Minnesota and Denver and Mangini benched him for Derek Anderson.
"We're not looking to move Brady Quinn," Mangini said Wednesday. "Brady is a Cleveland Brown and that's not anything we're looking to do."
Mangini says he has a good relationship with Quinn as does offensive coordinator Brian Daboll.
Quinn has put his suburban home up for sale, fueling talk that he wants out of Cleveland. But the former Notre Dame star said his intentions to sell have nothing to do with his status on the team or unhappiness with the Browns.
"It indicates a house is for sale," Quinn said, joking that he appreciated the free publicity in a tough housing market.
Quinn, who is not married, said he's looking to downsize from his five-bedroom property and shorten his commute to the team's training facility.
Quinn said he has not asked the Browns to trade him, and that's something he would never demand.
"I want to play," he said. "I think I'm good enough to play in this league. But I'm here right now to do the best I can for this team."
Quinn stands to lose $11 million in contract incentives this season if he doesn't play in 70 percent of the offensive snaps.
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It is also possible that the financing on that house assumed a balloon payment which required him to be the starting quarterback. He simply might not be able to pay for that house right now
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OK I'll add my true two cents to this.
So say Quinn is not so sure he is in the Browns future plans.
and say his house is a bit big for a single guy to be living in anyway.
Why not get out from under the mortgage payment on that house. Rent somewhere and see what happens.
it doesn't have to mean he WANTS out of Cleveland. It also doesn't have to mean Cleveland is looking to trade him.
But it still could mean he is making a prudent decision with his assests in case something DOES happen.
again. the world is full of many many shades of grey. there is no black and white in any situation.
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Quinn's house for sale, but Browns deny tradeAssociated Press
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Updated: October 14, 2009, 12:34 PM EDT 72 comments
BEREA, Ohio (AP) - Browns coach Eric Mangini said he's not trying to trade quarterback Brady Quinn, who lost his starting job after just 10 quarters this season.
With the Oct. 20 trade deadline approaching, there has been mounting speculation the Browns will deal Quinn, a former first-round pick who began the season as Cleveland's starter. But Quinn struggled in losses to Minnesota and Denver and Mangini benched him for Derek Anderson.
"We're not looking to move Brady Quinn," Mangini said Wednesday. "Brady is a Cleveland Brown and that's not anything we're looking to do."
Mangini says he has a good relationship with Quinn as does offensive coordinator Brian Daboll.
Quinn has put his suburban home up for sale, fueling talk that he wants out of Cleveland. But the former Notre Dame star said his intentions to sell have nothing to do with his status on the team or unhappiness with the Browns.
"It indicates a house is for sale," Quinn said, joking that he appreciated the free publicity in a tough housing market.
Quinn, who is not married, said he's looking to downsize from his five-bedroom property and shorten his commute to the team's training facility.
Quinn said he has not asked the Browns to trade him, and that's something he would never demand.
"I want to play," he said. "I think I'm good enough to play in this league. But I'm here right now to do the best I can for this team."
Quinn stands to lose $11 million in contract incentives this season if he doesn't play in 70 percent of the offensive snaps.
"I want to play," he said. "I think I'm good enough to play in this league. But I'm here right now to do the best I can for this team."
I think this line might be the most telling one.
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It is also possible that the financing on that house assumed a balloon payment which required him to be the starting quarterback. He simply might not be able to pay for that house right now
It is also possible that the financing on that house assumed a balloon payment which required him to be the starting quarterback. He simply might not be able to pay for that house right now
This seems likely, assuming Mangini's not a lying... assuming Mangini's not a liar.
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They would never come out and say it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they actually saw quinn as the better qb, but only incrementally so, and were benching him for contract/salary cap purposes. i'm not sure how communicative mangini is with his players, but i feel like just ignoring that as your motivation in talks with the player could create tension and ill will. if that's the case i'd be upfront enough to say look, we think there's a chance you might work out here, but since we havent seen enough for us to be sure of that, we can't play you 70% of the time this year. that incentive was built into the deal so that you'd be fairly rewarded if you turned out to be THE guy, which you haven't, yet. you might, and if you do, we'll revisit the contract terms, do an extension, whatever your play warrants. no hard feelings, but this is our right from a business perspective, and the reason that the escalator terms are put into the deal in the first place, from the team's point of view.
It'll be interesting to see if they reinsert Quinn after he can no longer mathematically reach his escalators. I think it's a possibly, provided they don't trade him before the deadline.
It'll be interesting to see if they reinsert Quinn after he can no longer mathematically reach his escalators. I think it's a possibly, provided they don't trade him before the deadline.
no. Again: why would a coach care?
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@inspecta said:
Well a lot of people are saying that Mangini was the real architect of the Jet's team, and if that's the case then Mangini would have to be much more conscience of the salary cap. It's not like RAC where he was just handed a new batch of players from Phil every offseason. Mangini is picking these players, which means salary has to be taken into account. He knows that we have 11 draft picks coming up next year and we'll need a good deal of CAP space to sign all those draft picks. So it's not entirely out of the question that the CAP is playing a role in his decision.Remember I said that Mangini knows his job is safe this year no matter what. I truly believe Mangini is using this season as nothing more than one long preseason game to evaluate his players and get Cleveland in the best shape to put even more pieces together next offseason. That could mean he hasn't ruled out Quinn has his eventual long term starter. I know that's long shot thinking, but hell anything is possible.
Keep in mind, Kokinis has in his contract that he has final say on the 53 man roster, not the coach.
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OK I'll add my true two cents to this.
So say Quinn is not so sure he is in the Browns future plans.
and say his house is a bit big for a single guy to be living in anyway.
Why not get out from under the mortgage payment on that house. Rent somewhere and see what happens.
it doesn't have to mean he WANTS out of Cleveland. It also doesn't have to mean Cleveland is looking to trade him.
But it still could mean he is making a prudent decision with his assests in case something DOES happen.
again. the world is full of many many shades of grey. there is no black and white in any situation.
OK I'll add my true two cents to this.
So say Quinn is not so sure he is in the Browns future plans.
and say his house is a bit big for a single guy to be living in anyway.
Why not get out from under the mortgage payment on that house. Rent somewhere and see what happens.
it doesn't have to mean he WANTS out of Cleveland. It also doesn't have to mean Cleveland is looking to trade him.
But it still could mean he is making a prudent decision with his assests in case something DOES happen.
again. the world is full of many many shades of grey. there is no black and white in any situation.
I will throw me 2 in as well. One of my friends lives in that neighborhood, and I remember him telling me he bought the house right next to Rip Scherer (sp) Since good old Rip ain't there anymore maybe he is really looking to move
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