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  • you wanted answers.....you got them. just because you dont like them does not say anything about their validity.

    your supporting argument is rather poor.....i figured you'd put more thought into it.....

  • i already told you.

    were we winning games with them? no?

    what dont you understand?

    tell me how we're better with them.......then tell me how that figures into the rebuilding scheme. or, are you not acknoledging the fact that BE did not want to be here, and could have been reflecting his desire in his performance?

  • This argument is terrible. Both sides of it.

    Braylon was walking anyways after this season. Be happy that we got ANYTHING for him. KW2... We're missing his hands for sure, but look at how much our running game has improved.

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  • @.mz said:

    Come on. Randy Moss plays for the premiere team of the decade and Brandon Marshall's team is 5-0. Guess the cancer didn't metastasize, guys. And Braylon and Kellen, by all accounts, weren't nearly as disruptive as those two...Mangini's fat ego got in the way IMO.

    Winslow's not a premiere talent but Vernon freaking Davis is?

    Winslow: 26 rec 257 yards 4 TD

    Davis: 22 rec 262 yards 3 TD

    Point taken (?).

    Guess you're going to tell me Davis helps in the run game!

    And Braylon is a premiere talent, yes, and COACHING harnesses that. Crennel sucked and Mangini sucks. Ryan already lit a fire under his ass, evidently. Braylon looked fantastic, just like he did in '07.

    I've given the moves a "broader viewpoint" and what I see is a bunch of spare parts and mid-round draft picks. If THAT'S how you build a winner, then I guess I'm wrong.

    You guys can justify these moves 'til you're blue in the face, but I will NEVER support either of these moves.

    Exactly. How did Moss do when his team wasn't so hot? He tanked. Period. And Marshall's team is 5-0. Great. Again, HOW WOULD THEY DO UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES?? They would be pouty, whiney bitches who wouldn't produce a lick.

    And your statistical comparison between Winslow and Davis is good. For today. For right now. Three years from now, Winslow will be struggling to keep his job. Davis will be a perennial Pro Bowler. Winslow's about two surgeries away from losing his career. It's a damn shame, but it is what it is.

    You build a winner through the draft and gathering more picks is how you do it. More picks gives you more flexibility and the opportunity to take some chances. Nobody just hands over first-round picks unless you have equal talent to give back to them. You get what you can get while you can get it.

    ...searching for Nev Chandler..."5,4,3,2,1, Touchdown Browns!!

  • for once, im not trying to be a dick. you cannot make someone try.......BE wanted out, thats his decision. mangini gave him his wish.....and both are happy about it.

  • @.mz said:

    .Mangini's fat ego got in the way IMO.

    No. Ego had nothing to do with it. Braylon Edwards didn't want to be a Cleveland Brown....and yes, the stories you heard about K2 and BE are true and then some. That's not my opinion. That's an observed fact.

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    This argument is terrible. Both sides of it.

    Braylon was walking anyways after this season. Be happy that we got ANYTHING for him. KW2... We're missing his hands for sure, but look at how much our running game has improved.

    @vaportrail said:

    This argument is terrible. Both sides of it.

    Braylon was walking anyways after this season. Be happy that we got ANYTHING for him. KW2... We're missing his hands for sure, but look at how much our running game has improved.

    What about our receiving game? 100+yards rushing against mediocre/weak defenses isn't something to get too excited about.

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  • M MDDawg

    @vaportrail said:

    This argument is terrible. Both sides of it.

    Braylon was walking anyways after this season. Be happy that we got ANYTHING for him. KW2... We're missing his hands for sure, but look at how much our running game has improved.

    What about our receiving game? 100+yards rushing against mediocre/weak defenses isn't something to get too excited about.

    @mddawg said:

    What about our receiving game? 100+yards rushing against mediocre/weak defenses isn't something to get too excited about.

    it was non-existant when he was here, and still is. some improvement is better than none.

  • M MDDawg

    @vaportrail said:

    This argument is terrible. Both sides of it.

    Braylon was walking anyways after this season. Be happy that we got ANYTHING for him. KW2... We're missing his hands for sure, but look at how much our running game has improved.

    What about our receiving game? 100+yards rushing against mediocre/weak defenses isn't something to get too excited about.

    @mddawg said:

    What about our receiving game? 100+yards rushing against mediocre/weak defenses isn't something to get too excited about.

    While I agree with this thread and its questioning of our passing attack and the need for the QB and receivers to get going, I am giving my kudos to the running game this past week. The weather reduced passing to a minimum and the teams understood from the beginning that this was to be smash-mouth football - stop the running game on defense and run the football on offense - let the better team win.

    I also agree that we acted like a disciplined team and gave up few avoidable penalties.

  • CLE ran the ball, but they sure didn't stop the run.

  • I see progress too.

    I don't care about losing Braylon. He was a great person to give money to cleveland schools but he wanted out and now he has his wish. He will be as focused as he can possibibly be for this year because his future millions depend upon it.

    Kellen wanted a new, huge deal which the browns didn't think was a good investment. He has great hands and will play with a lot of pain but he will not get any better, and could start a downhill trend at any time.

    If the team shows progress for the rest of the season we will have a tough team to beat by the season's end. We won't be glamorous but hopefully we can whittle down the list of key positions for next year to 4 or 5.

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