Thoughts on Quinn
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@shepwrite said:
I find this a little frustrating because I'm a quarterback nut... but Quinn played a successful game yesterday, Sev.John Taylor at OBR summed it up really close to what I said. In fact, Taylor said he was MORE impressed with Qunn last night than in the opener. He played against a good defense... on the road... in a must-win game for the other team... in 20 degrees and windy... when they were throwing EVERYTHING at him including UFO defenses and Kawika blitzes in his face... and he handled it. He didn't throw four picks, he didn't fumble, and he didn't panic.
The kid is poised and he has fantastic pocket awareness. He extends plays. He makes first downs on designed runs. He can flat out play quarterback at an NFL level, game after game.
After the weird 1 of 8 start... in which he really never threw a bad pass... Quinn was 13 of 28 for 179 yards. I'd guess that 8 of those were throwaways of some kind, because he was obviously coached to do that a lot. And under the circumstances, I think that's a good start by a young quarterback.
I said last week that 12 of 24 for 135 and no picks might be a winning game for Quinn. After the weird start, he did better than that. Nobody was going to light it up in that weather on the road. It was going to come down to turnovers.
It was a second straight good game for Quinn. I expect better numbers next game.
shep that sure was "weird" that he missed on all his throws. How weird. It was also "weird" that he couldn't throw a deep ball anywhere close to a receiver all night.
Quinn did not capitalize on any of the 4 gifts from the Bills, had more backwards plays than forwards plays in the redzone, and again failed to move the team when they needed it most...but this time was bailed out by an incredible FG kick by Dawson and a bad miss by Buffalo.
Also, it wasn't 20 degrees, and it wasn't windy. The low temp in Buffalo last night was 28 and the wind peaked at 6 mph.
The Bills blitzed more than the Broncos, who blitzed about never, but I expect the blitz numbers to continue to rise until he can actually throw a deep pass in the zip code of a receiver.
His pocket awareness consisted of Twenty-Two incomplete passes including lobbing up a couple lame ducks under pressure for anyone to take a stab at in crunch time.
In summation, Quinn sucked nuts and was handed the game on a silver platter. A couple more games like that could land his ass back on the bench. Lucky for him he's got another shitty defense coming up so the Browns will probably be able to run it again next week.
.......and shep if you've had to take a step down from Lane Adkins down to John Taylor to find positive BQ tidbits then you are nearing the bottom of the barrel.
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One thing I noticed time and time again last night was that Quinn is much more apt at making a quick decision to throw the ball away when the play is a bust. DA would have held on to the ball and taken the sack.... (which on the Brown's first possession would have pushed them out of FG range). On a given play, Quinn analyzes the field and the situation much faster.
It's hard to soar with eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys. -
for some reason I read lumbnuts' post. These look like some pretty good deep throws to me.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/multimedia/...yer.php?id=5555
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He will play another terrible team this sunday so we will see if he can bounce back statistically.
You're such a joke at this point, its really pathetic.
In this one sentence, you sum up yourself as a poster on this topic.
Point one. You spend a ton of time in this thread ripping BQ's passer stats and giving no credit for the win. You spent an equal amount of time defending DA's play through intangible bullshit about failures from his supporting cast. Nice balance. Finally, you then allude to Quinn seeing if he'll "bounce back statistically" this coming week. Do you or don't you value the statistics? Its impossible to tell.
Point two. Here you go again with loose statements. What is this terrible team stuff. Denver is in first place in their division. Yes, their defense ranks statistically low but they're leading their division at 6-4. Buffalo was at home, playing for their season, and sitting at 5-4 when we played them. Their defense ranks 13th in the NFL. Who are these "terrible" teams we're playing? Or do you mean those teams we played last year like Cincinnati, Miami, and St Louis where DA posted the vast majority of his numbers?
Wake up. You are in over your head and the water's deep.
Point one. You spend a ton of time in this thread ripping BQ's passer stats and giving no credit for the win. You spent an equal amount of time defending DA's play through intangible bullshit about failures from his supporting cast. Nice balance. Finally, you then allude to Quinn seeing if he'll "bounce back statistically" this coming week. Do you or don't you value the statistics? Its impossible to tell.
They opened up the playbook for Quinn and not only did he fail hit anything deep, he also failed to maintain his completion percentage by a long shot.
Wasn't completion percentage the main reason to play Quinn? Wasn't that the rallying cry?
Put the pressure on Quinn and he'll miss his receiver or simply chuck it up into the middle of the field aimlessly. The book is coming out.
In this tryout for starting QB next year, Quinn has a long ways to go to show he's got what it takes to make an offense go.
...and by the way, Derek Anderson had 5 TD passes on his resume by his 2nd start.
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Point one. You spend a ton of time in this thread ripping BQ's passer stats and giving no credit for the win. You spent an equal amount of time defending DA's play through intangible bullshit about failures from his supporting cast. Nice balance. Finally, you then allude to Quinn seeing if he'll "bounce back statistically" this coming week. Do you or don't you value the statistics? Its impossible to tell.
They opened up the playbook for Quinn and not only did he fail hit anything deep, he also failed to maintain his completion percentage by a long shot.
Wasn't completion percentage the main reason to play Quinn? Wasn't that the rallying cry?
Put the pressure on Quinn and he'll miss his receiver or simply chuck it up into the middle of the field aimlessly. The book is coming out.
In this tryout for starting QB next year, Quinn has a long ways to go to show he's got what it takes to make an offense go.
...and by the way, Derek Anderson had 5 TD passes on his resume by his 2nd start.
They opened up the playbook for Quinn and not only did he fail hit anything deep, he also failed to maintain his completion percentage by a long shot.
Wasn't completion percentage the main reason to play Quinn? Wasn't that the rallying cry?
Put the pressure on Quinn and he'll miss his receiver or simply chuck it up into the middle of the field aimlessly. The book is coming out.
In this tryout for starting QB next year, Quinn has a long ways to go to show he's got what it takes to make an offense go.
...and by the way, Derek Anderson had 5 TD passes on his resume by his 2nd start.
I believe the rally cry was the 3-5 record under DA. Maybe I'm wrong?
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@shepwrite said:
No, Anderson did NOT have 5 TDs by his second start. His first three starts came in 2006. Like Quinn, it was an in-season change.Go check it out.
Plus I see plenty of long passes being completed.
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One thing I noticed time and time again last night was that Quinn is much more apt at making a quick decision to throw the ball away when the play is a bust. DA would have held on to the ball and taken the sack.... (which on the Brown's first possession would have pushed them out of FG range). On a given play, Quinn analyzes the field and the situation much faster.
One thing I noticed time and time again last night was that Quinn is much more apt at making a quick decision to throw the ball away when the play is a bust. DA would have held on to the ball and taken the sack....
yeah the least sacked QB in the entire NFL would have probably taken a sack in that situation...
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I did not say he played terrible. I said that IF DA played that way most people would rip him. Though DA got a pass in Buffalo last year also. I also said hard to bitch when you win (though lots did when DA won). I also said I will wait until the end of the season to make an opinion one way or another. I want to see BQ do what DA could not, be consistant.
People act like DA never lead the Browns down the field for a 55 yard FG attempt. Now drops matter. Now coaching matters. DA had several games where he played well, ESPECIALLY when he had very few starts under his belt. I want to see BQ be consistant and I want to see how he plays 10, 12 games into his career. So I guess I will have to wait until next year to have a real body of work.
The Browns have decided DA is not the answer. I can live with that, he will get a shot somewhere else. I want to see if BQ is the answer. I WILL NOT just assume he is based on what I have seen. If you want to hold your QB to high standards then hold him to high standards. Most are predisposed to think BQ is great. Like everybody said about DA....PROVE IT over a body of work.
So far one good game and one not so good game. On a side note, Obviously BE dropping the ball had nothing to do with DA.
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@shepwrite said:
No, Anderson did NOT have 5 TDs by his second start. His first three starts came in 2006. Like Quinn, it was an in-season change.Go check it out.
(Hint: He had a 63.1 passer rating in 2006 off those three starts.)
Anderson had 2 TDs vs KC, 1 vs Pittsburgh, and 2 vs Baltimore. Baltimore being his 2nd start. Try again shep.
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Pumpkin pumper, we get your point. Quinn has the armstrength to throw a ball past the linebackers, yes.
Now he just needs to aim one of those towards a receiver.
This ain't Notre Dame anymore where you can lob one out there and let Samardzija outjump a DB from Navy.
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Point one. You spend a ton of time in this thread ripping BQ's passer stats and giving no credit for the win. You spent an equal amount of time defending DA's play through intangible bullshit about failures from his supporting cast. Nice balance. Finally, you then allude to Quinn seeing if he'll "bounce back statistically" this coming week. Do you or don't you value the statistics? Its impossible to tell.
They opened up the playbook for Quinn and not only did he fail hit anything deep, he also failed to maintain his completion percentage by a long shot.
Wasn't completion percentage the main reason to play Quinn? Wasn't that the rallying cry?
Put the pressure on Quinn and he'll miss his receiver or simply chuck it up into the middle of the field aimlessly. The book is coming out.
In this tryout for starting QB next year, Quinn has a long ways to go to show he's got what it takes to make an offense go.
...and by the way, Derek Anderson had 5 TD passes on his resume by his 2nd start.
They opened up the playbook for Quinn and not only did he fail hit anything deep, he also failed to maintain his completion percentage by a long shot.
Wasn't completion percentage the main reason to play Quinn? Wasn't that the rallying cry?
Put the pressure on Quinn and he'll miss his receiver or simply chuck it up into the middle of the field aimlessly. The book is coming out.
In this tryout for starting QB next year, Quinn has a long ways to go to show he's got what it takes to make an offense go.
...and by the way, Derek Anderson had 5 TD passes on his resume by his 2nd start.
I can't help myself...but blatant ignorance cannot be ignored!!!
By DA's second start he had
3 TD, 3 INT, 2 fumbles (1 lost) for a total of 4 TURNOVERS
BQ has
2 TD, 0 INT, 0 fumbles
DA was 0-2, BQ is 1-1
DEAL WITH IT!!!
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@shepwrite said:
Lum, I know that YOU know that I'm right. Apples to apples, Quinn survived this kind of game while Anderson did not. So we'll just leave it at that.Shep, you're rationalizing with a mook that's bound to argue when Quinn has a 40% completion/70 rating... in a Super Bowl... after he made a play to win it...
He's simply not cognizant enough to understand that DA doesn't have/never will have the pocket presence, leadership, and clutch play ability that BQ can potentially give us.
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They opened up the playbook for Quinn and not only did he fail hit anything deep, he also failed to maintain his completion percentage by a long shot.
Wasn't completion percentage the main reason to play Quinn? Wasn't that the rallying cry?
Put the pressure on Quinn and he'll miss his receiver or simply chuck it up into the middle of the field aimlessly. The book is coming out.
In this tryout for starting QB next year, Quinn has a long ways to go to show he's got what it takes to make an offense go.
...and by the way, Derek Anderson had 5 TD passes on his resume by his 2nd start.
I believe the rally cry was the 3-5 record under DA. Maybe I'm wrong?
I believe the rally cry was the 3-5 record under DA. Maybe I'm wrong?
Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
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I believe the rally cry was the 3-5 record under DA. Maybe I'm wrong?
Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Last week it was about wins and losses, this week its about completion %.
Hell you must model your consentancy after DA.
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@shepwrite said:
I think you have to compare this to Anderson's second Bengals game last year as far as cold and wind... and then compare stats.Yeah that's a good one shep.
FYI 35 mph is more than 6 mph.
Not in the least bit comparable.
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I believe the rally cry was the 3-5 record under DA. Maybe I'm wrong?
Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Connect the dots Sally. What did his deplorable completion percentage lead to? His record. If he had a sub-par % but managed to exude other qualities to be 8-0 he'd still have his job.
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I can't help myself...but blatant ignorance cannot be ignored!!!
Yes you can. Stop feeding the troll.
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Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Connect the dots Sally. What did his deplorable completion percentage lead to? His record. If he had a sub-par % but managed to exude other qualities to be 8-0 he'd still have his job.
Connect the dots Sally. What did his deplorable completion percentage lead to? His record. If he had a sub-par % but managed to exude other qualities to be 8-0 he'd still have his job.
And if Quinn can get another 4 or 5 games handed to him on a silver platter, he may be able to keep his job.
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