Thoughts on Quinn
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Pumpkin pumper, we get your point. Quinn has the armstrength to throw a ball past the linebackers, yes.
Now he just needs to aim one of those towards a receiver.
This ain't Notre Dame anymore where you can lob one out there and let Samardzija outjump a DB from Navy.
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Point one. You spend a ton of time in this thread ripping BQ's passer stats and giving no credit for the win. You spent an equal amount of time defending DA's play through intangible bullshit about failures from his supporting cast. Nice balance. Finally, you then allude to Quinn seeing if he'll "bounce back statistically" this coming week. Do you or don't you value the statistics? Its impossible to tell.
They opened up the playbook for Quinn and not only did he fail hit anything deep, he also failed to maintain his completion percentage by a long shot.
Wasn't completion percentage the main reason to play Quinn? Wasn't that the rallying cry?
Put the pressure on Quinn and he'll miss his receiver or simply chuck it up into the middle of the field aimlessly. The book is coming out.
In this tryout for starting QB next year, Quinn has a long ways to go to show he's got what it takes to make an offense go.
...and by the way, Derek Anderson had 5 TD passes on his resume by his 2nd start.
They opened up the playbook for Quinn and not only did he fail hit anything deep, he also failed to maintain his completion percentage by a long shot.
Wasn't completion percentage the main reason to play Quinn? Wasn't that the rallying cry?
Put the pressure on Quinn and he'll miss his receiver or simply chuck it up into the middle of the field aimlessly. The book is coming out.
In this tryout for starting QB next year, Quinn has a long ways to go to show he's got what it takes to make an offense go.
...and by the way, Derek Anderson had 5 TD passes on his resume by his 2nd start.
I can't help myself...but blatant ignorance cannot be ignored!!!
By DA's second start he had
3 TD, 3 INT, 2 fumbles (1 lost) for a total of 4 TURNOVERS
BQ has
2 TD, 0 INT, 0 fumbles
DA was 0-2, BQ is 1-1
DEAL WITH IT!!!
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@shepwrite said:
Lum, I know that YOU know that I'm right. Apples to apples, Quinn survived this kind of game while Anderson did not. So we'll just leave it at that.Shep, you're rationalizing with a mook that's bound to argue when Quinn has a 40% completion/70 rating... in a Super Bowl... after he made a play to win it...
He's simply not cognizant enough to understand that DA doesn't have/never will have the pocket presence, leadership, and clutch play ability that BQ can potentially give us.
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They opened up the playbook for Quinn and not only did he fail hit anything deep, he also failed to maintain his completion percentage by a long shot.
Wasn't completion percentage the main reason to play Quinn? Wasn't that the rallying cry?
Put the pressure on Quinn and he'll miss his receiver or simply chuck it up into the middle of the field aimlessly. The book is coming out.
In this tryout for starting QB next year, Quinn has a long ways to go to show he's got what it takes to make an offense go.
...and by the way, Derek Anderson had 5 TD passes on his resume by his 2nd start.
I believe the rally cry was the 3-5 record under DA. Maybe I'm wrong?
I believe the rally cry was the 3-5 record under DA. Maybe I'm wrong?
Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
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I believe the rally cry was the 3-5 record under DA. Maybe I'm wrong?
Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Last week it was about wins and losses, this week its about completion %.
Hell you must model your consentancy after DA.
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@shepwrite said:
I think you have to compare this to Anderson's second Bengals game last year as far as cold and wind... and then compare stats.Yeah that's a good one shep.
FYI 35 mph is more than 6 mph.
Not in the least bit comparable.
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I believe the rally cry was the 3-5 record under DA. Maybe I'm wrong?
Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Connect the dots Sally. What did his deplorable completion percentage lead to? His record. If he had a sub-par % but managed to exude other qualities to be 8-0 he'd still have his job.
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I can't help myself...but blatant ignorance cannot be ignored!!!
Yes you can. Stop feeding the troll.
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Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Connect the dots Sally. What did his deplorable completion percentage lead to? His record. If he had a sub-par % but managed to exude other qualities to be 8-0 he'd still have his job.
Connect the dots Sally. What did his deplorable completion percentage lead to? His record. If he had a sub-par % but managed to exude other qualities to be 8-0 he'd still have his job.
And if Quinn can get another 4 or 5 games handed to him on a silver platter, he may be able to keep his job.
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The QB spot and franchise tag is not over by a mile.
Who knows if Quinn is the guy? We know DA is not, so while your comment is correct, it should be noted that DA is no longer in the conversation.
All those blitzes and no INT's.
No fumbled snaps.
How many illegal procedure penatlies did we have?
Little victories. He has the arm to make all the throws -- we know that for sure.
This team is more competant under Quinn. I'll take what I can get.
Who knows if Quinn is the guy? We know DA is not
That's exactly the point.
We don't know if we'll ever be playoff contender behind BQ.
We'll know in a dozen games maybe.
What we know for certain is: we will never be playoff contender behind DA. Period.
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Yeah you're wrong. According to Tony Grossi and the rest of BQ Nation, Quinn needed to play because Anderson's completion percentage was too low and because Quinn would instantly improve it.
Last week it was about wins and losses, this week its about completion %.
Hell you must model your consentancy after DA.
Last week it was about wins and losses, this week its about completion %.
No Grossi said that the reason for the switch was because DA's completion % was too low. He said it last week.
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No Grossi said that the reason for the switch was because DA's completion % was too low. He said it last week.
He is talking about you dumbass.
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Last week it was about wins and losses, this week its about completion %.
No Grossi said that the reason for the switch was because DA's completion % was too low. He said it last week.
No Grossi said that the reason for the switch was because DA's completion % was too low. He said it last week.
LOL, I like how you left out the part about your consistancy being modeled after DA.
The only reason Grossi would care about completion % is that it affects the win loss record. Come on, even you have to know that.
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To be fair MANY on this board said you can not compare stats from 2006 season because it was with a HORRIBLE line, no running game and receivers that could not catch until last year. So to do a fair comparision with teams of similar talent you should compare to last year. DA's first 8 games were good. Second 8 not so good. Wait and see what BQ does in the same time period.
I find it funny that when making arguements for DA comparisions to 2006 were not valid BUT they are when comparing to BQ. Kind of funny.
As far as leadership goes. I have not looked up the stats but DA lead the Browns to many winning drives and even more opportunities for wins. Browns beat Oakland if Dawson makes a kick like he did against the Bills. BQ did not win the game last night, Edwards drove his team for a much easier FG attempt at a win than BQ did for the browns. Difference is that DAWSON is great and won the game.
I understand the anti-DA and Pro-BQ stuff. But I recall people saying they would look at BQ the SAME way they looked at DA. I don't think that most do that. I see people say that DA played a decent game against the Giants this year, When he played a GREAT game against the giants this year. And then turn around and say that BQ played good last night. Hardly objective. BQ played well enough to win, what would you have said if the Bills make a much easier FG and one they usually hit? That the defense that caused 4 tournovers lost the game? Where is the bitching about the offense not putting the ball in the endzone with great field position? My god if DA only got FGs out of that field postition people would be calling for his head.
Much like I want from a QB, be consistant.
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No Grossi said that the reason for the switch was because DA's completion % was too low. He said it last week.
He is talking about you dumbass.
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Pumpkin pumper, we get your point. Quinn has the armstrength to throw a ball past the linebackers, yes.
Now he just needs to aim one of those towards a receiver.
This ain't Notre Dame anymore where you can lob one out there and let Samardzija outjump a DB from Navy.
Pumpkin pumper, we get your point. Quinn has the armstrength to throw a ball past the linebackers, yes.
Now he just needs to aim one of those towards a receiver.
This ain't Notre Dame anymore where you can lob one out there and let Samardzija outjump a DB from Navy.
Has everyone noticed Lumnuts new avatar? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that he either broke wind in a coworkers cubicle or is suffering from the "Gambled & lost" breaking of wind and has to deal with his own milk dud situation. LMFAO
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Last week it was about wins and losses, this week its about completion %.
No Grossi said that the reason for the switch was because DA's completion % was too low. He said it last week.
No Grossi said that the reason for the switch was because DA's completion % was too low. He said it last week.
Among other reasons ... like ...
Throwing too many picks
locking onto receivers
getting the ball batted down 3+ times per game at the line
fumbling snaps
not getting guys lined up causing many offsides penalties
Hanging receivers out to try and getting blasted
not being able to put any touch on short throws
Lets take a look at what Quinn has done different in two starts:
How many offsides penalties have we had the last two games?
How many times have we had to call timeout because DA can't manage the clock?
How many times have we had to call timeout because DA can't manage the players?
How many interceptions have there been?
How many fumbled snaps?
How many balls batted down?
How many scoring drives in the 4th quarter?
How many 3 and outs?
see where I'm going with this?
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Y'know, I used to think Lum was a figment of someone's imagination.
But I no longer believe that.
No one's imagination could POSSIBLY be this ignorant or disturbed.
This Lumbergh persona surely is the result of an incredible inferiority complex (OSU fan starved for appreciation of his team/program/state) coupled with profound bitterness with the reality that DA is a sub-par NFL QB (and a 6th round pick. Oops, that's part of the inferiority complex too, isn't it?).
Back on topic:
Quinn wasn't good by most objective measures but the one that matters most: we won the game.
The other measurables that were HUGELY important last night: ZERO turnovers and only one sack.
Shoulda, coulda, wouldas are fun to talk about but ultimately unimportant.
What DID happen is that BQ handled the pressure well enough to put his team in a position to win.
Could he/should he have done more to help the team? Yes. And hopefully he will.
But the cold, hard truth for Lum and the SADAsTS (Sad At DA's Terrible Stats) is that BQ already does what DA couldn't: he doesn't help the other team more than his own.
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Who knows if Quinn is the guy? We know DA is not
That's exactly the point.
We don't know if we'll ever be playoff contender behind BQ.
We'll know in a dozen games maybe.
What we know for certain is: we will never be playoff contender behind DA. Period.
That's exactly the point.
We don't know if we'll ever be playoff contender behind BQ.
We'll know in a dozen games maybe.
What we know for certain is: we will never be playoff contender behind DA. Period.
What we KNOW:
1) Anderson is a Pro Bowler with 43 TD passes in less than 2 seasons.
2) Pro Bowl QBs are playoff capable QBs
3) BQ Nation is gay
4) Anderson played 6 games this year against defenses ranked in the top 10.
5) Quinn has played 0 games this year against defenses ranked in the top 10.
6) Quinn is now getting his "fair chance" to see if he can operate at an NFL level
7) Quinn can't go deep
If Quinn can win some games, he will keep his job9) If Quinn loses games, he won't
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That's exactly the point.
We don't know if we'll ever be playoff contender behind BQ.
We'll know in a dozen games maybe.
What we know for certain is: we will never be playoff contender behind DA. Period.
What we KNOW:
1) Anderson is a Pro Bowler with 43 TD passes in less than 2 seasons.
2) Pro Bowl QBs are playoff capable QBs
3) BQ Nation is gay
4) Anderson played 6 games this year against defenses ranked in the top 10.
5) Quinn has played 0 games this year against defenses ranked in the top 10.
6) Quinn is now getting his "fair chance" to see if he can operate at an NFL level
7) Quinn can't go deep
If Quinn can win some games, he will keep his job9) If Quinn loses games, he won't
What we KNOW:
1) Anderson is a Pro Bowler with 43 TD passes in less than 2 seasons.
2) Pro Bowl QBs are playoff capable QBs
3) BQ Nation is gay
4) Anderson played 6 games this year against defenses ranked in the top 10.
5) Quinn has played 0 games this year against defenses ranked in the top 10.
6) Quinn is now getting his "fair chance" to see if he can operate at an NFL level
7) Quinn can't go deep
If Quinn can win some games, he will keep his job9) If Quinn loses games, he won't
What we don't know:
1) Will Lumnuts EVER go away?
2) Will Lumnuts EVER pull his head out?
3) Will Lumnuts EVER get DA to reciprocate the constant helmet shining?
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