mangini must go

[funkamungus]

The way he handled the QB's showed a lot. He clearly doesn't know what he's doing there, and he lied about it, saying how he'd stick with the guy because of his great process. Preseason was a joke. The best looking QB, Bartel, was let go! They should've kept him and either DA or BQ for starter. But he was indecisive and neither got good reps, work and planning.

We will probably be rebuilding again in a few years. Why can't the Browns just get a proven coach where we know his methods have worked, and we can stick with him.

Yes there isn't a lot of talent here, but you know what, (this sickens me but it's true) you could probably put half these players on the Steelers and they'd shine. It's MORE than the players. Scouting, drafts, coaching....

[DieHardBrownsFan]

@fan-of-steel-1 said:

I never thought Romeo left you a mess at all. I just thought he was a bad coach that did not know how to make the right choices on game day. Mangini came in and removed your best play makers and got next to nothing in return. He tore your team apart by creating a QB controversy that should have been settled long ago and then you go with your QB and have his back and create some team chemistry. He never did that, he tore any chemistry you had apart. The way he is treating Cribbs is another bad decision. I'd love to have that guy on the STEELERS.

The QB contoversy has been going on for a couple of years, he didn't create it. Winslow was washed up due to his own stupidity, Edwards has an attitude that didn't fit here. If you don't think RAC left a mess thats because you don't live here. It takes time to adjust to new leadersip.

[funkamungus]

I don't know what KII did yesterday, but everytime I hear, his stats are very high. He ain't washed up. He's still a beast. And we don't get shi# for trades.

[Browns]

Just give the guy some time and see what will happen.

[Fan Of STEEL 1]

@diehardbrownsfan said:

The QB contoversy has been going on for a couple of years, he didn't create it. Winslow was washed up due to his own stupidity, Edwards has an attitude that didn't fit here. If you don't think RAC left a mess thats because you don't live here. It takes time to adjust to new leadersip.

Sorry but other than a few people on message boards, the QB controversy ended after DA went down a very fast slide towards the pile of crap he is. It was always clear that DA had a couple of good games but then when the NFL adjusted to him because they became aware of him, he was awful and terrible and worthless and just a bum. Mangini revived that QB debate and took it to a new extreme that should have ended somewhere in the preseason. Then you support your QB and give him the team. Taking time to adjust to new leadership is one thing, Mangini never showed that leadership. Mangini made some very bad decisions and in my opinion fractured the team in half and killed any chemistry you were creating. I'm well aware of RAC and what he did with this team. Then he trades some of the best talent on the team for next to nothing. I think Mangini has been worse.

[blowe]

@firemangini said:

mangini must go. i don't know what lerner saw in him to bring him in, but either way its been obvious since before the season even started that the mangina wasn't right for cleveland. i'm not sayin the browns would be a superbowl contender with another coach, but the talent on this roster is too good to be embaressed week after week. i just started a site to begin the campaign to fire mangini (or even better, get the prick to resign). check it out. firemangini.com

NO

[ATENEARS]

@gips said:

I think mangini is doing a lot of things right and to many things wrong...he isnt as smart as he was billed to be and is in way over his head..he seems to be a compulsive liar and doesnt honor his own ethical ,moral or conduct codes ..(its good to be the boss). i dont see him as the guy thats taking us to the superbowl or the playoffs but i do see him as the guy who may restore the team to a respectable level and set the tone for the next coach "perhaps rob ryan" he will give this team an identity for running a boring gutless offense but still hanging tough...

That's what I like about him ... him and I think alike.

[manbearpig]

We seem to have less penalties than we have had under RAC and I am seeing less stupidities like jumping off sides and whatnot. I don't know what the answer is, but another new coach?? Really who are you going to pick up and what's he going to be able to do with this team? I would think more along the lines of a new OC (I think the plays were better yesterday than they have been all year though) Also more drills with DA throwing the ball to his recievers as hard as he can. He needs some softer touches too but... They should be catching those balls!

[peterbell]

Firstly, some moronic Jet fan starts the thread..that fool needs to worry about Rex jets and your 50 million dollar QB who seems to have problems in cold and windy weather..That'll work in Giants Stadium..A team thats gone from 1st to worst in sacks and one of the top 3 penalized teams in the NFL this year..STFU...now

Anyone who can't see this Browns team needs more parts isn't too bright. If you don't see this team plays with more discipline and is much much better coached isn't too swift. We have the right f**kin coach, after all the BS the last 10 years lets stay the course and build the program the right way..this s**t isn't happening over night..Let Mangini and Kokinis get THEIR players.

[Kosar_For_President]

@firemangini said:

mangini must go. i don't know what lerner saw in him to bring him in, but either way its been obvious since before the season even started that the mangina wasn't right for cleveland. i'm not sayin the browns would be a superbowl contender with another coach, but the talent on this roster is too good to be embaressed week after week. i just started a site to begin the campaign to fire mangini (or even better, get the prick to resign). check it out. firemangini.com

Don't be mad you lost to the BILLS at home. LOL!!

[peterbell]

FYI firemangini, you little NYU pissant, If I ever catch you in Cleveland, I will bitch slap you all the way back to NY.

Some little fake journalist major trying to make a name for himself..whack ass punk

[Earl34]

Just goes to show you how moronic Jets fans are. Not enough that they drove the guy out of town but they had to follow him and keep calling for his ouster wherever he is. That's sad.

[Speedyd900rr]

All I know is a winning team isnt built over night. Mangini is either really smart or really really stupid. Only time will tell and seeing as how we all knew this year was a waste we should atleast have patience. All one has to do is look at the Jets before he started and after he finished to see how he works. Im sure he made mistakes when he was there but hopefully he learned from them. I can honestly say I think were going to be a great team in 2011 but that comes with a price and that price is losing now. Would you rather win now and lose later or lose now and keep winning later?

[Earl34]

@gips said:

..he seems to be a compulsive liar and doesnt honor his own ethical ,moral or conduct codes..(its good to be the boss)

Overall he is a man that gives off a sense that he thinks highly of himself as some kind of a mastermind when in fact his brand of ball is not only uncreative but devoid of anything original...a mastermind doesnt use someone elses old used up tactics they creatively pave their own way..josh McDaniels and perhaps rob ryan may be up and coming masterminds but mangini is far far away from that claim...

I am going to ask where you find that he is "immoral". As for conduct, he expects professionalism. As for compulsive lying? Do you LISTEN to NFL coaches? He is no different.

I think that you're buying into what ESPN wants you to see. I've been three NFL locker rooms and I'll tell you that if you knew what it was like....you'd never read a newspaper again....because it's 99% made up. Joe Thomas, for one, came out last week and said that "Coach is nothing like what the public sees and the media portrays".

If he was such a jerk, then why isn't Shaun Rogers still whining? You know why? He did a mea culpa and apologized to Shaun.

You go on about "masterminds" and Eric Mangini didn't arrive here saying things like Rex Ryan did (He DOES think he's a mastermind). Eric Mangini is emulating his mentors (BB and Parcells). If the school of thought works then why can't the student use it? Do we bash Holmgren or any one of a dozen Bill Walsh disciples for using the West Coast?

You're interjecting pre-supposed outcomes here. That's not fair.

[firemangini]

@earl34 said:

Just goes to show you how moronic Jets fans are. Not enough that they drove the guy out of town but they had to follow him and keep calling for his ouster wherever he is. That's sad.

Have fun watching your team score less than ten pts a game for the next few years guys... Just trying to do you a favor. Its alright give Mangini a couple years, I'm sure he'll turn you guys around.

I also can't wait for the season to end, for a bunch of name coaches to come looking to get back in it, and you guys won't even be looking cause you'll be stuck with mangina. I can get your organization's too dumb to realize it, but as a fan you gotta know he's not going to take you anywhere. He's not Belichick.

But its cool, I like it, defend the guy. Give it four more weeks and the whole lockerroom's going to be done with him. Player's don't buy into his bullshit even when they're winning a couple games, so I'm sure it carries over well when the team keeps getting blown out. Sure he'll probably make it to next year, but after he goes 5-27 over 2 years (I'm probably being too optimistic about the 5 wins) lets just hope you come to your senses. Because throwing away 2 years just to make a point is definitely the right move, and settling for losing is totally ok because NFL teams don't turn around that quickly. Not like the Cardinals went to the superbowl last year, or the dolphins went from a 1 win season to a division title. Oh yeah, and about those dolphins, remember how they fired their new coach after just one season? Worked out pretty well for them...

Get rid of the guy, bring in someone proven (how about jon gruden, lets assume Bill Cowher and Mike Shanahan aren't interested).

So yeah I'm not a browns fan, and I can't say I know your team in and out. I do know that you have a solid O-Line (I'd take the Thomas/Steinbach combo over most in the NFL), an old running back who could still be etffective in the right system, a quarterback who two years ago was the toast of the league (I was hopin he'd get traded to my jets) and took your team to ten wins and a tiebreaker away from making the playoffs. Oh and you have the most exciting players in the NFL to watch as well. Your players are better than they've performed, and I really don't understand why everyone just assumes you guys should get blown out of every game.

oh and the site's not about making money (no ads) and really isn't going to get mangini fired either. Had to make a site for class and get 1000 people to view it, and the only thing I know about is football. Wasn't gonna write about my Jets cause I knew my opinion would change too quickly (case in point, when i made this site, I was convinced we'd contend for the AFC this year. Now I'm just hopin for 8 wins). So I thought I'd write something about my two least favorite people in the world (Bill Belichick and Eric Mangini). so for what its worth: firemangini

[medicineman]

If anybody needs fired its the guy that is doing the play calling. The offensive cord.

[steel88]

Honestly, look at the jets that team is not without talent, and mangini did pretty well 2 out of the 3 years he was there.(a lot better then what Rex Ryan is doing imo) He is not a bad coach he has just been left with crap on this team and now he is fixing it, give him time. The first problem mangini has is the talent level on this team the second and most brutal is the media they talk and talk and talk and fill your head with all there crappy opinions, and you know what they don't matter really they're just mad that they are locked out from all the good info they used to get from Phil savage and romeo. The media will shut up when we start winning (see: Bill Belichick and the New England patriots) and the wins will come trust me. Just be patient guys I know its rough right now, and for the love of god don't listen to idiot jets fans.

[BrownIndian]

CLEVELAND: The Browns have reached the time for a difficult decision regarding the future of Eric Mangini: There shouldn't be one.

Sunday was another humiliating loss, this one to the Green Bay Packers, at home. The 31-3 final does not do it justice.

The Browns were abysmal.

Yes, a bunch of guys had the flu during the week, and the flu stinks.

But so do the Browns — now 1-6 and playing worse.

The Packers were playing without two starters on the offensive line. They found a way to play well, to compete, to win.

Which is what mentally tough teams do.

The Browns find ways to lose, to botch games, to turn a loyal-to-a-fault fan following dispassionate and blase.

Coach Eric Mangini did not deserve the personal shots taken at him in Rolling Stone last week, but professionally, he has done nothing with this team except make it worse.

The Browns ended last season

playing their third- and fourth-string quarterbacks. This season's team has its roster, minus the normal number of injuries. It's not overly beaten up, and it's not an expansion team.

Yet it's the worst Browns team since the jubilant return in 1999.

This is Mangini's team. It's his approach, coaching staff and roster — with 23 new players on opening day (and 10 former New York Jets now on the team).

The Browns have been humiliated on the road in Baltimore and Denver, embarrassed at home by the Minnesota Vikings and the Packers. They lost by three to the Cincinnati Bengals then won by three in Buffalo.

Imagine — the highlight of the season is a three-point win over the Bills, when the starting quarterback completed two passes.

The two quarterbacks have regressed to the point that they don't resemble the guys who played the previous two seasons. All the Browns have done with Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn is destroy their trade value.

Quinn was yanked after 10 quarters. The past 12 quarters, Anderson has gone 23-for-70, yet during a blowout loss Sunday, Quinn never looked for his helmet.

Is there any clearer indication that he has absolutely no future with the Browns?

Go down the roster, especially to the places Mangini made changes. The right side of the line? No better. Neither are the other spots where Mangini brought in ''his'' guys — at receiver, tight end, safety, inside linebacker or defensive end. Not to mention offensive coordinator.

Too, consider the teams that former coaches Butch Davis and Romeo Crennel took over. None had a Shaun Rogers at nose tackle, a Josh Cribbs, a Joe Thomas, an Eric Steinbach.

Mangini did not take over a 12-win team, but he also did not take over one that should lose by 28 at home.

After the loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers eight days ago, their offensive coordinator, Bruce Arians, said the Steelers noticed the Browns like to blitz the safeties on first and second down. If you protect, Arians said, you can make big plays by running guys through the vacated area.

Guess what the Packers did in the first quarter? It saw safety Abram Elam blitz, then sent Donald Driver to Elam's area for a 71-yard touchdown that featured yet more missed tackles.

The players can say they're playing hard for their coach.

The evidence isn't there.

The Browns can keep hoping that things will get better and the ''foundation'' is being built.

If they do, they're fooling themselves.

It's difficult and painful to admit a mistake, but coaches have been replaced sooner.

The Browns and owner Randy Lerner need to start considering this possibility. Seriously.

Is it fair to Mangini? Probably not. He's trying, he's working. He doesn't want to lose. But it's not working. The Browns could win next Sunday, yes, but what does that make them? Two-and-six.

And is it any less fair than it was to Quinn to have 10 quarters to prove himself? Mangini wanted this system where he decides personnel. It's his show, and his record.

Most important, though, is perpetuating this situation fair to the fans who have to watch this nonsense week after week after week? To give them this kind of effort and play after they've spent so much of their hard-earned money?

If the Browns think they have problems now, wait until December, when it's cold, and 25,000 are in the stands and games are blacked out locally. And wait until they start selling tickets for 2010.

The only thing worse than making a mistake is not admitting it.

Continuing a mistake ''just because'' only compounds the mistake.

The Browns' defense has been terrible all season, but coordinator Rob Ryan might be able to reach the players in a way Mangini hasn't. He's done nothing to earn the job, except be the best option on the staff to be an interim.

Heck, it can't be worse.

It's a tough decision for Lerner, because he personally hired Mangini. But this team has gotten worse — in every way — and there's no evidence short of a 6-3 win in Buffalo that the team believes in what it's being told.

Nor is there a shred of evidence that it will get better.

The time has come to recognize a mistake, make a tough decision and start over again next season. It's another restart and that's one more too many, but maybe it will produce better results and some long-lost continuity.

What's taking place is simply not working.

Link: http://www.ohio.com/sports/65964347.html

[ClevelandFanForLife]

good article. this is why i was so against him from the start. he only had one good season and that was with a weak schedule. i don't want to hear about how last year was good and they fell just short. a better coach wouldn't have lost that lead. lerner is so infatuated with the "belicheck" style of coach and needs to give up on it. we have 11 draft picks next year: let's get a coach in here who will use them well: not a guy who doesn't know what to do with them.

[BrownIndian]

I do not understand this obsession with the Bellichek coaching tree ! Apart from Bellichek who else has succeeded ?