Can We Stop Calling it a Rivalry?
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Formerly Stone said:
The bad blood and the rivalry really doesn't exist on the Steelers side of the ledger. It's just something perpetuated by the Browns players and the Browns fans.you must be under 30 if you're saying that. and it probably holds true for bandwagon fans but show me a seasoned diehard on either side of the fence who doesn't consider it a strong rivalry and i'll...well i won't do shit. it's bullshit from my point of view and a matter of perception. nice how you speak for the 18 hundred million other fans you guys claim exist too. if you want to speak for them, you're also responsible for anything else they say there "currently stoned".
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This is comparable to the Ohio state/Michigan game before tressel had arrived. Michigan had dominated Ohio state for so long they didn't consider it a rivalty. Times have changed and they could also change concerning Ohio State versus Michigan
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Formerly Stone said:
The bad blood and the rivalry really doesn't exist on the Steelers side of the ledger. It's just something perpetuated by the Browns players and the Browns fans.you must be under 30 if you're saying that. and it probably holds true for bandwagon fans but show me a seasoned diehard on either side of the fence who doesn't consider it a strong rivalry and i'll...well i won't do shit. it's bullshit from my point of view and a matter of perception. nice how you speak for the 18 hundred million other fans you guys claim exist too. if you want to speak for them, you're also responsible for anything else they say there "currently stoned".
you must be under 30 if you're saying that. and it probably holds true for bandwagon fans but show me a seasoned diehard on either side of the fence who doesn't consider it a strong rivalry and i'll...well i won't do shit. it's bullshit from my point of view and a matter of perception. nice how you speak for the 18 hundred million other fans you guys claim exist too. if you want to speak for them, you're also responsible for anything else they say there "currently stoned".
The main reason I consider it a Rivalry is I grew up in NE Ohio and only started watching football around 1983, when the Steelers dynasty had only a handful of players left and the Browns began to take it over for a 4 year stretch.
Mind you I was in Jr. High (where we all know kids can be the absolute meanest) and I took nothing but shit for years, especially when the Browns finally won in Pittsburgh in 1986 (I was praying they could keep the jinx going until I graduated).
The real truth is....and you may not like this but its the truth....that the ownership over the Browns is something that is important to the Steelers. Why else would Tomlin leave the starters in last season in the final game when it meant nothing to the Steelers playoff positioning? It was because the tradition of beating up on the Browns since this 25 of 28 streak begain in 1993, has been passed on from one player to another, one team to another.....and it means something. Tradition really means something to the Steelers players and the organization--so they want to pass it on and continue it.
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Formerly Stone said:
Not exactly sure what your gibberish is saying, or to whom, but I'll wing it. I'm 53, have been a fan since birth and a diehard fan since 71 and, no, it's not a rivalry!Don't get me wrong, I know why you guys feel it is.....it's one of the last things left for you to hang on to......but it's simply not a rivalry to most of us. A rivalry revolves around competition and there simply isn't any!
ROFLMAO ... hold-on .... (trying to compose myself) .... ROFLMAO .... (no wait, trying to get up) ... (holding gut ... it hurts) .... Whoa ... that was fucking great. Now, (gathering self) ... now, after all of that. Can I ask you why you hang-out a Browns Message Board, when you can chose from over 30 other teams to spar with?
Doh!
"somebodies got a boyfriend .... "
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Actually I think most fans like the losing. It seems they love to bitch & moan. Listen to sportstalk and we have the cavs winning 66 games, barely any talk! We are supposed to win the championship, barely any talk! If the cavs lose 2 games in a row all the Loser Cleveland fans come out with their speeches.
Everyone here loves losers because thats all they know. They all want to be arm chair GM's.
You would assume this town would be a Cavs Town when we are right there! But nope, when the Indians are great - they talk about the Browns sucking, if the Cavs are great like now 95% of all talk on the radio and tv shows are Browns & Indians.
because....
They suck.
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Actually I think most fans like the losing. It seems they love to bitch & moan. Listen to sportstalk and we have the cavs winning 66 games, barely any talk! We are supposed to win the championship, barely any talk! If the cavs lose 2 games in a row all the Loser Cleveland fans come out with their speeches.
Everyone here loves losers because thats all they know. They all want to be arm chair GM's.
You would assume this town would be a Cavs Town when we are right there! But nope, when the Indians are great - they talk about the Browns sucking, if the Cavs are great like now 95% of all talk on the radio and tv shows are Browns & Indians.
because....
They suck.
Actually I think most fans like the losing. It seems they love to bitch & moan. Listen to sportstalk and we have the cavs winning 66 games, barely any talk! We are supposed to win the championship, barely any talk! If the cavs lose 2 games in a row all the Loser Cleveland fans come out with their speeches.
Everyone here loves losers because thats all they know. They all want to be arm chair GM's.
You would assume this town would be a Cavs Town when we are right there! But nope, when the Indians are great - they talk about the Browns sucking, if the Cavs are great like now 95% of all talk on the radio and tv shows are Browns & Indians.
because....
They suck.
Cavs talk will come when the NBA season gathers steam. Also when u have 3 teams each team will have its share of the lime light in circles.
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Ahhh ... I see, running away to challenge another NFL team .... "Come back and Fight!!"vava.gif
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Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the Browns and Steelers should never be called a rivalry again. I'm just saying for right now, it's pretty clearly not--a rivalry generally features both teams winning every now and again--and acting like this is still one of the best rivalries in football is kind of embarassing. Again, the Browns will make this a rivalry again (and hopefully pretty soon), but right now it's a rivalry in the same way that Mr. Bill and that big hand is a rivalry.
Dennis
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the Browns and Steelers should never be called a rivalry again. I'm just saying for right now, it's pretty clearly not--a rivalry generally features both teams winning every now and again--and acting like this is still one of the best rivalries in football is kind of embarassing. Again, the Browns will make this a rivalry again (and hopefully pretty soon), but right now it's a rivalry in the same way that Mr. Bill and that big hand is a rivalry.
Dennis
The Browns-Steelers rivalry would be a heckuva lot better if the Browns were the Baltimore Ravens and the Ravens were the expansion team. You know, like it should have been all along !!!!!
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Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the Browns and Steelers should never be called a rivalry again. I'm just saying for right now, it's pretty clearly not--a rivalry generally features both teams winning every now and again--and acting like this is still one of the best rivalries in football is kind of embarassing. Again, the Browns will make this a rivalry again (and hopefully pretty soon), but right now it's a rivalry in the same way that Mr. Bill and that big hand is a rivalry.
Dennis
The Browns-Steelers rivalry would be a heckuva lot better if the Browns were the Baltimore Ravens and the Ravens were the expansion team. You know, like it should have been all along !!!!!
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
The Browns-Steelers rivalry would be a heckuva lot better if the Browns were the Baltimore Ravens and the Ravens were the expansion team. You know, like it should have been all along !!!!!Well, you can blame the NFL fathers for that in a sense. They elected to put an expansion team in Jacksonville which is only the 40th most populous metropolitan area in the US with about a 1.3 mill population over Baltimore which is 20th ranked with over double the metro area population than Jax, (and much, much more if you count the D.C. metro region).
Of course, if the NFL chose Baltimore, it probably only means that Modell would have been snooping around other towns, like Jax, for a bribe to go there, so it is hard to tell what would have happened.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
The Browns-Steelers rivalry would be a heckuva lot better if the Browns were the Baltimore Ravens and the Ravens were the expansion team. You know, like it should have been all along !!!!!Well, you can blame the NFL fathers for that in a sense. They elected to put an expansion team in Jacksonville which is only the 40th most populous metropolitan area in the US with about a 1.3 mill population over Baltimore which is 20th ranked with over double the metro area population than Jax, (and much, much more if you count the D.C. metro region).
Of course, if the NFL chose Baltimore, it probably only means that Modell would have been snooping around other towns, like Jax, for a bribe to go there, so it is hard to tell what would have happened.
Well, you can blame the NFL fathers for that in a sense. They elected to put an expansion team in Jacksonville which is only the 40th most populous metropolitan area in the US with about a 1.3 mill population over Baltimore which is 20th ranked with over double the metro area population than Jax, (and much, much more if you count the D.C. metro region).
Of course, if the NFL chose Baltimore, it probably only means that Modell would have been snooping around other towns, like Jax, for a bribe to go there, so it is hard to tell what would have happened.
And FYI, the following metro regions all have a larger population than Jax: Providence, Virginia Beach, Columbus, Las Vegas, Sacramento, San Antonio, Austin, Orlando, not to mention LA of course. All with no NFL franchise. (though the New England Patriots actually play closer to downtown Providence than they do to downtown Boston, thus the Pats are really Providence's team.) Also, Oakland Raiders considers Sacramento part of its territory. Columbus is "kept open" for a choice between Browns and Bengals.
Most viable current expansion cities from this list, in my opinion: San Antonio/Austin; Las Vegas, Virginia Beach/Norfolk (over 200 miles from closest NFL city), and of course LA.
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Then why are you here in a Cleveland Browns forum? I know if I told all my friends I hated Ford I wouldn't want one of them to see me test driving one.
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Giving us the next game already Stan?
right, right. Cribbs is even better at home.
right, right. Cribbs is even better at home.
By the Way, Sisky Fringo, are you a fan of the movie "Oh Lucky Man", made about 1973 or 1974 starring Malcolm MacDowell and Helen Mirren? I ask because your avatar is straight from that movie.
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It was never the same after Mo'Smell moved the Browns to Baltimore and they became the Ratbirds, who are now Pittsburgh's real rival. You know blood will flow from both teams and maybe fans also when the Ratbirds fly into town on their ugly greasy wings like the monkeys in the Wizard of Oz.
Observations on Week 6
1)Cribbs is dangerous any time he gets the ball, not too many like that.
2)Mack handled Hampton pretty well. I bet he's a Pro Bowler in not too long. Excellent draft pick, I hear PGH coveted him also.
3)DA might surprise you on a better team, lots of dropped passes that were not his fault plus too many PGH jerseys in the backfield with him much of the day. In fact there were a lot of PGH fumbles and drops too, which usually means that it was chilly and/or wet. I did not hear the field conditions but crappy game weather IS a Cleve-PGH tradition.
4)The spot was bad, no question, but PGH must have got twice the yardage the Browns did and dominated time of posession so that spot did not cost the Browns the game.
5)Wallace, WR for PGH, is seriously seriously fast, noticeably faster than the other players on the field. If he has even average hands he is the starter by the next time PGH and the Browns play.
6) Reed, K for PGH, is a complete disgrace and will drink himself out of the NFL in short order if he does not get help. There are too few jobs like that and too many unemployed kickers around for him to piss it away like that.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
The Browns-Steelers rivalry would be a heckuva lot better if the Browns were the Baltimore Ravens and the Ravens were the expansion team. You know, like it should have been all along !!!!!Well, you can blame the NFL fathers for that in a sense. They elected to put an expansion team in Jacksonville which is only the 40th most populous metropolitan area in the US with about a 1.3 mill population over Baltimore which is 20th ranked with over double the metro area population than Jax, (and much, much more if you count the D.C. metro region).
Of course, if the NFL chose Baltimore, it probably only means that Modell would have been snooping around other towns, like Jax, for a bribe to go there, so it is hard to tell what would have happened.
Well, you can blame the NFL fathers for that in a sense. They elected to put an expansion team in Jacksonville which is only the 40th most populous metropolitan area in the US with about a 1.3 mill population over Baltimore which is 20th ranked with over double the metro area population than Jax, (and much, much more if you count the D.C. metro region).
Of course, if the NFL chose Baltimore, it probably only means that Modell would have been snooping around other towns, like Jax, for a bribe to go there, so it is hard to tell what would have happened.
Have to add in a comment in that regard. IMHO, the Jags are not long for Jacksonville. They downsized the stadium to avoid blackouts, but there were a ton of empty seats in plain view yesterday when they played the Rams. HUGE mistake by the NFL not to give Baltimore the expansion franchise.
Modell might have snooped around, but I doubt anyone could have come close to the Baltimore Bribe.
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