Since We're Rebuilding, Would You Trade Rogers?
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mikeyP72 said:
Why? we obviously have no intentions of building for the future when we consistently sit on sh!tty veterans that have no business starting rather than evaluating our younger talent.Exactly Mikey, I don't want to ride the Rogers horse right into the glue factory. It definitely has to come from the top. Band-aids (free agents) and duct tape (over-aged veterans) isn't where the team should be concentrating
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mikeyP72 said:
Why? we obviously have no intentions of building for the future when we consistently sit on sh!tty veterans that have no business starting rather than evaluating our younger talent.Gonna have to disagree with you there, mikey. I really think Crennel was guilty of this, but not necessarily Mangini.
Mangini has started his #1 pick in Mack right from the first game. He has now jettisoned Edwards so that Massaquoi and Robiskie can see the field more often.
Also, this is the most action we've ever seen from Jerome Harrison. How many years have we been begging to see him get more time? I will agree that it gets frustrating watching Lewis run the ball, but every team has a tandem, if not set, of backs carrying the ball every game (even Minnesota).
The one spot where I would tend to agree with your assessment is with Veikune. He's been a no-show on the #1 D. We've got to try him in there, especially at ILB where I think Barton is garbage. Give him a shot.
But, there is no question we have mediocre veterans at key positions where we have no younger backups with talent. Like safety, or right tackle, or outside linebacker. That's why our next draft is HUGE.
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Don't forget Mangini has also played Cribbs on offense as WR, WildDawg, looked at him at Safety, consider him for RB ... (this is a reply along the line of everyone wanting Harrison in for years)
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Don't forget Mangini has also played Cribbs on offense as WR, WildDawg, looked at him at Safety, consider him for RB ... (this is a reply along the line of everyone wanting Harrison in for years)
Don't forget Mangini has also played Cribbs on offense as WR, WildDawg, looked at him at Safety, consider him for RB ... (this is a reply along the line of everyone wanting Harrison in for years)
That's a good point, Ate. I think that's further evidence that Mangini is trying to strike a balance between evaluating the players new to this roster, and experimenting with the holdovers like Cribbs. Take Mike Adams for example. He's starting to turn into a pretty good cover guy under this regime. Last year, he was a little-used safety
By the way, we've got to find a way to pay Cribbs. Even when he doesn't get the ball it has an effect. We had the ball outside the 40 both times they tried to kick it away from him today.
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Ok guys, we all know that Mangini is cleaning house and stock piling draft picks and that we all expect a trade by tomorrow. However, I think it is more likely to see Shaun Rogers get traded to the Jets. I know we are all sick of the trades with gang green but this one could be really good. I say this because the Jets' nose tackle, Kris Jenkins, has suffered a season ending injury.
Rogers still doesn't like Mangini, I don't care what anyone says. Mangini would love to get another 1st round pick and with Ndamukong Suh coming out, we can definitely afford to make this trade. There is no way that Rogers is worth less than that. I know that the Jets are panicking right now because Rex Ryan is feeling the heat after starting 3-0 and losing 3 straight. I can almost guarantee that the Jets have called their best friend George Kokinas wanting to trade him. I would really like to see this happen. I really like Rogers, but he isn't going to be here long term. He hates Mangini and wants to be on a winning team and I can't necessarily blame him.
With two first round picks in next year's draft, we could get Suh with our pick (assuming it will be in the top 5) and possibly Mays or Berry with the Jets (I don't think the Jets are that good so there pick will be in the mid-teens and Sanchez is not going to be anything special: ever).
I know that it may not be a popular move for ManKok to make, but come on: when was the last time they did something popular. Let's make this happen and build the right way: through the draft with studs and not mediocre good players from our coach's old team.
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Jets cant afford to take on Rogers salary
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Yes, lets continue trading all our good players to the Jets for scrubs who don't contribute.
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You must think the Dolans own and Mark Shapiro runs the Browns. I don't think the Browns are going to have the epic fire sale that the Indians regularly engage in. I do believe the salary cap and revenue sharing preclude that so much in this sport. In MLB you can have one team with a 220 million salary and another with a 30 mill salary. Not NFL, each team is pretty close in playing it players all the same amount.
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Ok guys, we all know that Mangini is cleaning house and stock piling draft picks and that we all expect a trade by tomorrow. However, I think it is more likely to see Shaun Rogers get traded to the Jets. I know we are all sick of the trades with gang green but this one could be really good. I say this because the Jets' nose tackle, Kris Jenkins, has suffered a season ending injury.
Rogers still doesn't like Mangini, I don't care what anyone says. Mangini would love to get another 1st round pick and with Ndamukong Suh coming out, we can definitely afford to make this trade. There is no way that Rogers is worth less than that. I know that the Jets are panicking right now because Rex Ryan is feeling the heat after starting 3-0 and losing 3 straight. I can almost guarantee that the Jets have called their best friend George Kokinas wanting to trade him. I would really like to see this happen. I really like Rogers, but he isn't going to be here long term. He hates Mangini and wants to be on a winning team and I can't necessarily blame him.
With two first round picks in next year's draft, we could get Suh with our pick (assuming it will be in the top 5) and possibly Mays or Berry with the Jets (I don't think the Jets are that good so there pick will be in the mid-teens and Sanchez is not going to be anything special: ever).
I know that it may not be a popular move for ManKok to make, but come on: when was the last time they did something popular. Let's make this happen and build the right way: through the draft with studs and not mediocre good players from our coach's old team.
Ok guys, we all know that Mangini is cleaning house and stock piling draft picks and that we all expect a trade by tomorrow. However, I think it is more likely to see Shaun Rogers get traded to the Jets. I know we are all sick of the trades with gang green but this one could be really good. I say this because the Jets' nose tackle, Kris Jenkins, has suffered a season ending injury.
Rogers still doesn't like Mangini, I don't care what anyone says. Mangini would love to get another 1st round pick and with Ndamukong Suh coming out, we can definitely afford to make this trade. There is no way that Rogers is worth less than that. I know that the Jets are panicking right now because Rex Ryan is feeling the heat after starting 3-0 and losing 3 straight. I can almost guarantee that the Jets have called their best friend George Kokinas wanting to trade him. I would really like to see this happen. I really like Rogers, but he isn't going to be here long term. He hates Mangini and wants to be on a winning team and I can't necessarily blame him.
With two first round picks in next year's draft, we could get Suh with our pick (assuming it will be in the top 5) and possibly Mays or Berry with the Jets (I don't think the Jets are that good so there pick will be in the mid-teens and Sanchez is not going to be anything special: ever).
I know that it may not be a popular move for ManKok to make, but come on: when was the last time they did something popular. Let's make this happen and build the right way: through the draft with studs and not mediocre good players from our coach's old team.
How do you figure Rogers doesn't like Mangini?
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Ok guys, we all know that Mangini is cleaning house and stock piling draft picks and that we all expect a trade by tomorrow. However, I think it is more likely to see Shaun Rogers get traded to the Jets. I know we are all sick of the trades with gang green but this one could be really good. I say this because the Jets' nose tackle, Kris Jenkins, has suffered a season ending injury.
Rogers still doesn't like Mangini, I don't care what anyone says. Mangini would love to get another 1st round pick and with Ndamukong Suh coming out, we can definitely afford to make this trade. There is no way that Rogers is worth less than that. I know that the Jets are panicking right now because Rex Ryan is feeling the heat after starting 3-0 and losing 3 straight. I can almost guarantee that the Jets have called their best friend George Kokinas wanting to trade him. I would really like to see this happen. I really like Rogers, but he isn't going to be here long term. He hates Mangini and wants to be on a winning team and I can't necessarily blame him.
With two first round picks in next year's draft, we could get Suh with our pick (assuming it will be in the top 5) and possibly Mays or Berry with the Jets (I don't think the Jets are that good so there pick will be in the mid-teens and Sanchez is not going to be anything special: ever).
I know that it may not be a popular move for ManKok to make, but come on: when was the last time they did something popular. Let's make this happen and build the right way: through the draft with studs and not mediocre good players from our coach's old team.
How do you figure Rogers doesn't like Mangini?
Dawgfanforever88 said:
How do you figure Rogers doesn't like Mangini?you don't remember the "snub."
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
How do you figure Rogers doesn't like Mangini?you don't remember the "snub."
you don't remember the "snub."
Yeah I do but last I heard Mangini and Rogers smoothed that over.
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you don't remember the "snub."
Yeah I do but last I heard Mangini and Rogers smoothed that over.
Dawgfanforever88 said:
Yeah I do but last I heard Mangini and Rogers smoothed that over.yeah, and mangini was going to make a qb decision and stick with him all season...
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
Yeah I do but last I heard Mangini and Rogers smoothed that over.yeah, and mangini was going to make a qb decision and stick with him all season...
yeah, and mangini was going to make a qb decision and stick with him all season...
Lol, isnt it possible Lerner wanted Quinn and when he showed how terrible he was at the start of the season mangini said screw it and put Anderson in? I mean Id want Quinn as the face of my franchise too...he was a good QB in college(for the most part) and a lot of people loved him.
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Ok guys, we all know that Mangini is cleaning house and stock piling draft picks and that we all expect a trade by tomorrow. However, I think it is more likely to see Shaun Rogers get traded to the Jets. I know we are all sick of the trades with gang green but this one could be really good. I say this because the Jets' nose tackle, Kris Jenkins, has suffered a season ending injury.
Rogers still doesn't like Mangini, I don't care what anyone says. Mangini would love to get another 1st round pick and with Ndamukong Suh coming out, we can definitely afford to make this trade. There is no way that Rogers is worth less than that. I know that the Jets are panicking right now because Rex Ryan is feeling the heat after starting 3-0 and losing 3 straight. I can almost guarantee that the Jets have called their best friend George Kokinas wanting to trade him. I would really like to see this happen. I really like Rogers, but he isn't going to be here long term. He hates Mangini and wants to be on a winning team and I can't necessarily blame him.
With two first round picks in next year's draft, we could get Suh with our pick (assuming it will be in the top 5) and possibly Mays or Berry with the Jets (I don't think the Jets are that good so there pick will be in the mid-teens and Sanchez is not going to be anything special: ever).
I know that it may not be a popular move for ManKok to make, but come on: when was the last time they did something popular. Let's make this happen and build the right way: through the draft with studs and not mediocre good players from our coach's old team.
Ok guys, we all know that Mangini is cleaning house and stock piling draft picks and that we all expect a trade by tomorrow. However, I think it is more likely to see Shaun Rogers get traded to the Jets. I know we are all sick of the trades with gang green but this one could be really good. I say this because the Jets' nose tackle, Kris Jenkins, has suffered a season ending injury.
Rogers still doesn't like Mangini, I don't care what anyone says. Mangini would love to get another 1st round pick and with Ndamukong Suh coming out, we can definitely afford to make this trade. There is no way that Rogers is worth less than that. I know that the Jets are panicking right now because Rex Ryan is feeling the heat after starting 3-0 and losing 3 straight. I can almost guarantee that the Jets have called their best friend George Kokinas wanting to trade him. I would really like to see this happen. I really like Rogers, but he isn't going to be here long term. He hates Mangini and wants to be on a winning team and I can't necessarily blame him.
With two first round picks in next year's draft, we could get Suh with our pick (assuming it will be in the top 5) and possibly Mays or Berry with the Jets (I don't think the Jets are that good so there pick will be in the mid-teens and Sanchez is not going to be anything special: ever).
I know that it may not be a popular move for ManKok to make, but come on: when was the last time they did something popular. Let's make this happen and build the right way: through the draft with studs and not mediocre good players from our coach's old team.
I hear ya and appreciate the thinking outside the box. After all, anything is possible.
Here's how I'm starting to make peace with everything this year. We're starting to compete to the extend that we're not a blowout and we're going to be in the ball game in the 4th quarter every week. Trust me when I say I've seen MUCH WORSE Steeler matchups. Where I'm going with this I/WE need Mankok to show our fanbase we are competitive and ready for good things in 2010. To get rid of Shaun Rogers removes the electricity and juice from our Defense. I heard one of the commentators say some of the defenders were telling them that they know anytime Shaun is on the field good things CAN happen and have happened. He's a proven commodity so why take the ONLY thing proven and get rid of it for a 1st round pick that could either get hurt or become the same swing and miss Glen Dorsey became.
I've always wanted 1 EASY fix and alot of others do as well. That's why QUINN was so important to so many of us. Guess what? Want other examples of this? How often do you see "fire the OC." We've done that in the past and gotten rid of Mo Carthon for Jeff Davidson. And for 1 week we were all throwing Davidson parades until the next DC did a little film study and turned him into the next Mo Carthon right before our very eyes. Many people think we should just fire Mangini because there's a tree branch with the next Vince Lomardi sitting on it with all the answers. Guess what?
I like alot of the moves Mankok has made. Changing over a poor runned organization is never easy in corporate America or in sports. I think the first step has been successful for the most part. The MEDIA wants to portray Mangini as a jerk. That said, if you look at guys like BB and Parcells when they headed off to turn around crappy organizations - they weren't going there to be nice guys. They new what had to be done. Same with Jimmy Johnson. The first year Parcells was in NE he had to endure 1-15 with a rookie named Bledsoe - I think things were just as miserable when he started in NY with Phil Simms and Scott Bruner. Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 with a rookie Troy Aikman. These guys look at it like this: "Tough times don't last - tough people do!" I HOPE Mankok is right and they've learned from some great people.
- Tom F.
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It don't really matter. We keep gettin xxxxd and lose anyhow.
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We gotta be careful here about thinking we can just stockpile picks and everything will be hunky dory. Rogers is a beast and a game changer, hence probably the only guy on defense that's a bonafide stud.
IMO we have three studs on the team in JT, Cribbs and Rogers. The rest are Barton, Pool and Poke Chop types. We have gotten rid of Winslow and Edwards for good reason, but further purging of proven studs is not recommended from my point of view. Proven commodities are just what they are, there is no guarantee even three draft picks could add up to Rogers' value.
Mangie is not stupid, he knows it takes playmakers to win in this league. Right now, he's trying to solidify depth and contributors along with an intelligent football team. It's the building blocks, but you can't just start purging all your proven players. This is not Herschel Walker we're talking about here.
Also, anybody find it funny that Cribbs' agent came out last week talking contract? That should have told us all Cribbs would have a much bigger role in the offense. They need to take care of Cribbs, but there is nothing he can do during the year besides sitting out, and that ain't gonna happen.
Meanwhile, JT continues to domnate. Did Jaret Allen even play against us?
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Riff, you're forgetting Mack ... he's a keeper.
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