Since We're Rebuilding, Would You Trade Rogers?
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It don't really matter. We keep gettin xxxxd and lose anyhow.
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We gotta be careful here about thinking we can just stockpile picks and everything will be hunky dory. Rogers is a beast and a game changer, hence probably the only guy on defense that's a bonafide stud.
IMO we have three studs on the team in JT, Cribbs and Rogers. The rest are Barton, Pool and Poke Chop types. We have gotten rid of Winslow and Edwards for good reason, but further purging of proven studs is not recommended from my point of view. Proven commodities are just what they are, there is no guarantee even three draft picks could add up to Rogers' value.
Mangie is not stupid, he knows it takes playmakers to win in this league. Right now, he's trying to solidify depth and contributors along with an intelligent football team. It's the building blocks, but you can't just start purging all your proven players. This is not Herschel Walker we're talking about here.
Also, anybody find it funny that Cribbs' agent came out last week talking contract? That should have told us all Cribbs would have a much bigger role in the offense. They need to take care of Cribbs, but there is nothing he can do during the year besides sitting out, and that ain't gonna happen.
Meanwhile, JT continues to domnate. Did Jaret Allen even play against us?
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Riff, you're forgetting Mack ... he's a keeper.
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Ok guys, we all know that Mangini is cleaning house and stock piling draft picks and that we all expect a trade by tomorrow. However, I think it is more likely to see Shaun Rogers get traded to the Jets. I know we are all sick of the trades with gang green but this one could be really good. I say this because the Jets' nose tackle, Kris Jenkins, has suffered a season ending injury.
Rogers still doesn't like Mangini, I don't care what anyone says. Mangini would love to get another 1st round pick and with Ndamukong Suh coming out, we can definitely afford to make this trade. There is no way that Rogers is worth less than that. I know that the Jets are panicking right now because Rex Ryan is feeling the heat after starting 3-0 and losing 3 straight. I can almost guarantee that the Jets have called their best friend George Kokinas wanting to trade him. I would really like to see this happen. I really like Rogers, but he isn't going to be here long term. He hates Mangini and wants to be on a winning team and I can't necessarily blame him.
With two first round picks in next year's draft, we could get Suh with our pick (assuming it will be in the top 5) and possibly Mays or Berry with the Jets (I don't think the Jets are that good so there pick will be in the mid-teens and Sanchez is not going to be anything special: ever).
I know that it may not be a popular move for ManKok to make, but come on: when was the last time they did something popular. Let's make this happen and build the right way: through the draft with studs and not mediocre good players from our coach's old team.
Ok guys, we all know that Mangini is cleaning house and stock piling draft picks and that we all expect a trade by tomorrow. However, I think it is more likely to see Shaun Rogers get traded to the Jets. I know we are all sick of the trades with gang green but this one could be really good. I say this because the Jets' nose tackle, Kris Jenkins, has suffered a season ending injury.
Rogers still doesn't like Mangini, I don't care what anyone says. Mangini would love to get another 1st round pick and with Ndamukong Suh coming out, we can definitely afford to make this trade. There is no way that Rogers is worth less than that. I know that the Jets are panicking right now because Rex Ryan is feeling the heat after starting 3-0 and losing 3 straight. I can almost guarantee that the Jets have called their best friend George Kokinas wanting to trade him. I would really like to see this happen. I really like Rogers, but he isn't going to be here long term. He hates Mangini and wants to be on a winning team and I can't necessarily blame him.
With two first round picks in next year's draft, we could get Suh with our pick (assuming it will be in the top 5) and possibly Mays or Berry with the Jets (I don't think the Jets are that good so there pick will be in the mid-teens and Sanchez is not going to be anything special: ever).
I know that it may not be a popular move for ManKok to make, but come on: when was the last time they did something popular. Let's make this happen and build the right way: through the draft with studs and not mediocre good players from our coach's old team.
Absolutely not. Mangini smoothed it over with him and Rogers is on board. If he wasn't we'd all be hearing about it. I know it for a fact.
Also, he wouldn't trade a Pro Bowl 3-4 NT. The defense without him is useless.
Nice try though. It would otherwise make sense.
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Riff, you're forgetting Mack ... he's a keeper.
Oh yeah, Mack is a keeper and getting better, but he is far from stud status yet.
Did anybody catch Puke players talking about what a bitch Cribbs is? This dude is one of the best pound for pound players in the league, hands down.
PS That's bitch in a bad ass way you mouth inhalers.
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Riff, you're forgetting Mack ... he's a keeper.
Well said Riff and Stan! We've really got a nice core group of young guys to build a strong team around. Mack & Thomas comprise 40% of the oline so that ain't bad. I'd still like us to take a stab at bringing in a guy like Harrison just for the remainder of THIS year.
If we go week by week, with the understanding we aren't a Superbowl contender - I think we can all evaluate what excites us about our short term future and long term future. Hopefully we can start to win some games and build momentum.
I REALLY don't want to start all over from square 1 in 2010 w/ 1 more new head Coach, 1 more new GM and 1 more new OC and DC. Don't believe EVERY thing the media tells us about Mangini because they had everyone convinced Bill Belichick couldn't coach, Vinny Testaverde couldn't win and Eric Zeier was the best QB in town. Be careful with all that. THEN, all of a sudden they were telling us we were going to the Superbowl when in actuality we were moving to Baltimore by the time that Superbowl was kicking off.
Here's the thing - Ernie Accorsi has been a GREAT advisor around the league regarding GM hires and he highly recommended 3 guys to Atltanta in 2008. 1 was Thomas Dimitroff who they hired and things went great. Another recommendation was Kokkinos whom was recommended to Lerner by Accorsi and it's even better he already had a great working relationship with Mangini. I'm liking what we're getting for Edwards and Winslow while their new times got 0 wins in return so far. One of Sanchez's 5 INTs bounced off Braylon's right paw first. Imagine that!
While Sanchez is going through some predictable growing pains in NY - we opted to see if Quinn or DA could take the bull by the horns while adding a very impressive Safety from NY, a starting ILBer, Kenyon Coleman, and Bowens. I think our running game is okay when we have the right RBs in there. Our passing game needs a legit #1 WR and more consistency with the hands from the supporting cast. We also need Heiden healthy. I expect to see Robiskie and MoMass getting better. My biggest wish is to bring in Harrison as a stop gap for the remainder of the season.
- Tom F.
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