Ever-lasting Qb controvery
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There is no QB controversy. DA got us our first win, and there is no chance that Mangini will put Dink'n'Dunk back in.
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There is no QB controversy. DA got us our first win, and there is no chance that Mangini will put Dink'n'Dunk back in.
There is no QB controversy. DA got us our first win, and there is no chance that Mangini will put Dink'n'Dunk back in.
And if you agree with that, you're as stupid as Mangini!
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I was in agreement when Quinn started the season. I was in agreement that something needed to be done with how bad the offense looked in the first 2 1/2 games. However now I think that something needs to be done again. I'm thrilled that we won a game but the offense needs something. I'm not sure switching QB's again is the answer, but this isn't working. I think the playcalling sucks and Daboll should be the one who has to go...but I also think at some point we need to go back to Quinn or Ratliff if Anderson continues to struggle. 12/29 for 99 yards isn't going to work. He didn't have the drops today either like he's had the previous 2 weeks.
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DA fumbles and flubs all over the field! Over-throws and under-throws are the norm. Favorite one today was when he hit the defender in coverage down field in the feet!
Nice job "selling" the play fake too...must be hard to actually try to fake a hand off!
He throws the ball late to the receivers so that the ball and the defender get there at the same time causing the receiver to get smashed and drop the ball. Then DA complains about all the "drops" the receivers have!
No controversy here! Our QB's suck!
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This whole team sucks, except for Thomas, Cribbs and maybe Mack. Anderson's performance today has to be the worst for a professional QB in NFL history. I couldn't believe anyone could be so bad. But our whole team looked horrible.
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Ok. I know Anderson "won" us a game (if you count 2 completions as winning a game), but Quinn went 0-3 against 3 very good defenses. I know some people argue that Anderson's arm strength keeps defenses honest, but I feel like lack of mobility is a big hit to the team.
Obviously this season is a wash, I was just wondering how some of my fellow Browns fans felt now that we are in the thick of the season. (I know we lack overall talent)
Ok. I know Anderson "won" us a game (if you count 2 completions as winning a game), but Quinn went 0-3 against 3 very good defenses. I know some people argue that Anderson's arm strength keeps defenses honest, but I feel like lack of mobility is a big hit to the team.
Obviously this season is a wash, I was just wondering how some of my fellow Browns fans felt now that we are in the thick of the season. (I know we lack overall talent)
Hey TN i'm from Johnson City.
The Browns just have so many holes that it is hard to pin point one thing. Yes, we could start with the QB but that is not going to solve anything. Quinn could start next week but with our lack of talent the opposition would be able to gameplan his "strengths". Gotta realize that the lack of all around talent makes it easy to defense the Browns.
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Ok. I know Anderson "won" us a game (if you count 2 completions as winning a game), but Quinn went 0-3 against 3 very good defenses. I know some people argue that Anderson's arm strength keeps defenses honest, but I feel like lack of mobility is a big hit to the team.
Obviously this season is a wash, I was just wondering how some of my fellow Browns fans felt now that we are in the thick of the season. (I know we lack overall talent)
Ok. I know Anderson "won" us a game (if you count 2 completions as winning a game), but Quinn went 0-3 against 3 very good defenses. I know some people argue that Anderson's arm strength keeps defenses honest, but I feel like lack of mobility is a big hit to the team.
Obviously this season is a wash, I was just wondering how some of my fellow Browns fans felt now that we are in the thick of the season. (I know we lack overall talent)
I think
1) Not being able to read defenses
2) Not being able to complete > 50% of your passes (or 40% actually)
3) Fumbling the ball. A lot.
4) Throwing into double/triple/11-man coverage
5) Missing wide open receivers
6) Rocketing balls at receiver's feet
are a much bigger hit than mobility. I'm shocked - shocked I tell you - that the right side of the line looks dreadful and teams are still loading the box. DA was the answer to all of those problems.
But Quinn isn't liked in the locker room - or something. Apparently, if you are well-liked, the team will play hard for you.
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Ok. I know Anderson "won" us a game (if you count 2 completions as winning a game), but Quinn went 0-3 against 3 very good defenses. I know some people argue that Anderson's arm strength keeps defenses honest, but I feel like lack of mobility is a big hit to the team.
Obviously this season is a wash, I was just wondering how some of my fellow Browns fans felt now that we are in the thick of the season. (I know we lack overall talent)
I think
1) Not being able to read defenses
2) Not being able to complete > 50% of your passes (or 40% actually)
3) Fumbling the ball. A lot.
4) Throwing into double/triple/11-man coverage
5) Missing wide open receivers
6) Rocketing balls at receiver's feet
are a much bigger hit than mobility. I'm shocked - shocked I tell you - that the right side of the line looks dreadful and teams are still loading the box. DA was the answer to all of those problems.
But Quinn isn't liked in the locker room - or something. Apparently, if you are well-liked, the team will play hard for you.
I think
1) Not being able to read defenses
2) Not being able to complete > 50% of your passes (or 40% actually)
3) Fumbling the ball. A lot.
4) Throwing into double/triple/11-man coverage
5) Missing wide open receivers
6) Rocketing balls at receiver's feet
are a much bigger hit than mobility. I'm shocked - shocked I tell you - that the right side of the line looks dreadful and teams are still loading the box. DA was the answer to all of those problems.
But Quinn isn't liked in the locker room - or something. Apparently, if you are well-liked, the team will play hard for you.
Why not just stopping posting here instead of trying to get banned? I guess it's a badge of honor.
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Worry about yourself. I'm just making observations.
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Worry about yourself. I'm just making observations.
Worry about yourself. I'm just making observations.
I have no beef with you but you are just baiting. Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish?
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Ok. I know Anderson "won" us a game (if you count 2 completions as winning a game), but Quinn went 0-3 against 3 very good defenses. I know some people argue that Anderson's arm strength keeps defenses honest, but I feel like lack of mobility is a big hit to the team.
Obviously this season is a wash, I was just wondering how some of my fellow Browns fans felt now that we are in the thick of the season. (I know we lack overall talent)
I think
1) Not being able to read defenses
2) Not being able to complete > 50% of your passes (or 40% actually)
3) Fumbling the ball. A lot.
4) Throwing into double/triple/11-man coverage
5) Missing wide open receivers
6) Rocketing balls at receiver's feet
are a much bigger hit than mobility. I'm shocked - shocked I tell you - that the right side of the line looks dreadful and teams are still loading the box. DA was the answer to all of those problems.
But Quinn isn't liked in the locker room - or something. Apparently, if you are well-liked, the team will play hard for you.
I think
1) Not being able to read defenses
2) Not being able to complete > 50% of your passes (or 40% actually)
3) Fumbling the ball. A lot.
4) Throwing into double/triple/11-man coverage
5) Missing wide open receivers
6) Rocketing balls at receiver's feet
are a much bigger hit than mobility. I'm shocked - shocked I tell you - that the right side of the line looks dreadful and teams are still loading the box. DA was the answer to all of those problems.
But Quinn isn't liked in the locker room - or something. Apparently, if you are well-liked, the team will play hard for you.
Let's break this down, shall we?
1) Quinn didn't need to read defenses when he was checking down for those -1 yard gains.
2) Again, when you're trying to win, unlike Quinn, you might actually try to win the game instead of not losing. Guess what? Trying not to lose leads to losses.
3) Did you see Quinn's fumble in the Minnesota game?
4) Again, DA's a playmaker, something that Quinn only wishes he could be.
5) Quinn had this problem, too, you know. Just because there was a guy open in the backfield with a guy closing in on him doesn't mean there weren't open downfield. Quinn was why Braylon, our best receiver, was traded: you know this, right?
6) At least he can get it near his receivers, unlike Quinn.
Your guy was given plenty of opportunity. How about we let people who actually have potential play?
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Worry about yourself. I'm just making observations.
I have no beef with you but you are just baiting. Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish?
I have no beef with you but you are just baiting. Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish?
What did I say was untrue?
Anderson's mobility isn't hurting this offense anymore than Quinn's mobility helped it because it's not designed around a QBs mobility; no one is really sure what it's designed to do, or if it's even 'designed', at this point.
Further, I recall being told how the line didn't suck because it was the QB. Turns out, that's not quite true, is it?
I also recall reading that teams were stacking the box because they didn't respect Quinn's arm. It sure didn't look like they respected Anderson's arm either.
Today, it really was the QB position that held us back (and the insistence on using Lewis) from scoring more points. Probably not enough to win, but at least it wouldn't have been...whatever that was.
If that's baiting, fine. I'm baiting. Hey it was all fun and games while Quinn was in. Now...not so much.
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I have no beef with you but you are just baiting. Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish?
What did I say was untrue?
Anderson's mobility isn't hurting this offense anymore than Quinn's mobility helped it because it's not designed around a QBs mobility; no one is really sure what it's designed to do, or if it's even 'designed', at this point.
Further, I recall being told how the line didn't suck because it was the QB. Turns out, that's not quite true, is it?
I also recall reading that teams were stacking the box because they didn't respect Quinn's arm. It sure didn't look like they respected Anderson's arm either.
Today, it really was the QB position that held us back (and the insistence on using Lewis) from scoring more points. Probably not enough to win, but at least it wouldn't have been...whatever that was.
If that's baiting, fine. I'm baiting. Hey it was all fun and games while Quinn was in. Now...not so much.
What did I say was untrue?
Anderson's mobility isn't hurting this offense anymore than Quinn's mobility helped it because it's not designed around a QBs mobility; no one is really sure what it's designed to do, or if it's even 'designed', at this point.
Further, I recall being told how the line didn't suck because it was the QB. Turns out, that's not quite true, is it?
I also recall reading that teams were stacking the box because they didn't respect Quinn's arm. It sure didn't look like they respected Anderson's arm either.
Today, it really was the QB position that held us back (and the insistence on using Lewis) from scoring more points. Probably not enough to win, but at least it wouldn't have been...whatever that was.
If that's baiting, fine. I'm baiting. Hey it was all fun and games while Quinn was in. Now...not so much.
Actually, you are baiting. Read your post. You are just calling out people that may or may not have called you out. Just stop.
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I think
1) Not being able to read defenses
2) Not being able to complete > 50% of your passes (or 40% actually)
3) Fumbling the ball. A lot.
4) Throwing into double/triple/11-man coverage
5) Missing wide open receivers
6) Rocketing balls at receiver's feet
are a much bigger hit than mobility. I'm shocked - shocked I tell you - that the right side of the line looks dreadful and teams are still loading the box. DA was the answer to all of those problems.
But Quinn isn't liked in the locker room - or something. Apparently, if you are well-liked, the team will play hard for you.
Let's break this down, shall we?
1) Quinn didn't need to read defenses when he was checking down for those -1 yard gains.
2) Again, when you're trying to win, unlike Quinn, you might actually try to win the game instead of not losing. Guess what? Trying not to lose leads to losses.
3) Did you see Quinn's fumble in the Minnesota game?
4) Again, DA's a playmaker, something that Quinn only wishes he could be.
5) Quinn had this problem, too, you know. Just because there was a guy open in the backfield with a guy closing in on him doesn't mean there weren't open downfield. Quinn was why Braylon, our best receiver, was traded: you know this, right?
6) At least he can get it near his receivers, unlike Quinn.
Your guy was given plenty of opportunity. How about we let people who actually have potential play?
Let's break this down, shall we?
1) Quinn didn't need to read defenses when he was checking down for those -1 yard gains.
2) Again, when you're trying to win, unlike Quinn, you might actually try to win the game instead of not losing. Guess what? Trying not to lose leads to losses.
3) Did you see Quinn's fumble in the Minnesota game?
4) Again, DA's a playmaker, something that Quinn only wishes he could be.
5) Quinn had this problem, too, you know. Just because there was a guy open in the backfield with a guy closing in on him doesn't mean there weren't open downfield. Quinn was why Braylon, our best receiver, was traded: you know this, right?
6) At least he can get it near his receivers, unlike Quinn.
Your guy was given plenty of opportunity. How about we let people who actually have potential play?
Man - that's harsh. Like a knife in the ribs.
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Ok. I know Anderson "won" us a game (if you count 2 completions as winning a game), but Quinn went 0-3 against 3 very good defenses. I know some people argue that Anderson's arm strength keeps defenses honest, but I feel like lack of mobility is a big hit to the team.
Obviously this season is a wash, I was just wondering how some of my fellow Browns fans felt now that we are in the thick of the season. (I know we lack overall talent)
Hey TN i'm from Johnson City.
The Browns just have so many holes that it is hard to pin point one thing. Yes, we could start with the QB but that is not going to solve anything. Quinn could start next week but with our lack of talent the opposition would be able to gameplan his "strengths". Gotta realize that the lack of all around talent makes it easy to defense the Browns.
Hey TN i'm from Johnson City.
The Browns just have so many holes that it is hard to pin point one thing. Yes, we could start with the QB but that is not going to solve anything. Quinn could start next week but with our lack of talent the opposition would be able to gameplan his "strengths". Gotta realize that the lack of all around talent makes it easy to defense the Browns.
See, this is what a reasonable post on the QB discussion looks like. He, like myself, realizes that there is no point to the debate. Therefore, we should stick with DA.
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What did I say was untrue?
Anderson's mobility isn't hurting this offense anymore than Quinn's mobility helped it because it's not designed around a QBs mobility; no one is really sure what it's designed to do, or if it's even 'designed', at this point.
Further, I recall being told how the line didn't suck because it was the QB. Turns out, that's not quite true, is it?
I also recall reading that teams were stacking the box because they didn't respect Quinn's arm. It sure didn't look like they respected Anderson's arm either.
Today, it really was the QB position that held us back (and the insistence on using Lewis) from scoring more points. Probably not enough to win, but at least it wouldn't have been...whatever that was.
If that's baiting, fine. I'm baiting. Hey it was all fun and games while Quinn was in. Now...not so much.
Actually, you are baiting. Read your post. You are just calling out people that may or may not have called you out. Just stop.
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I think
1) Not being able to read defenses
2) Not being able to complete > 50% of your passes (or 40% actually)
3) Fumbling the ball. A lot.
4) Throwing into double/triple/11-man coverage
5) Missing wide open receivers
6) Rocketing balls at receiver's feet
are a much bigger hit than mobility. I'm shocked - shocked I tell you - that the right side of the line looks dreadful and teams are still loading the box. DA was the answer to all of those problems.
But Quinn isn't liked in the locker room - or something. Apparently, if you are well-liked, the team will play hard for you.
Let's break this down, shall we?
1) Quinn didn't need to read defenses when he was checking down for those -1 yard gains.
2) Again, when you're trying to win, unlike Quinn, you might actually try to win the game instead of not losing. Guess what? Trying not to lose leads to losses.
3) Did you see Quinn's fumble in the Minnesota game?
4) Again, DA's a playmaker, something that Quinn only wishes he could be.
5) Quinn had this problem, too, you know. Just because there was a guy open in the backfield with a guy closing in on him doesn't mean there weren't open downfield. Quinn was why Braylon, our best receiver, was traded: you know this, right?
6) At least he can get it near his receivers, unlike Quinn.
Your guy was given plenty of opportunity. How about we let people who actually have potential play?
Let's break this down, shall we?
1) Quinn didn't need to read defenses when he was checking down for those -1 yard gains.
2) Again, when you're trying to win, unlike Quinn, you might actually try to win the game instead of not losing. Guess what? Trying not to lose leads to losses.
3) Did you see Quinn's fumble in the Minnesota game?
4) Again, DA's a playmaker, something that Quinn only wishes he could be.
5) Quinn had this problem, too, you know. Just because there was a guy open in the backfield with a guy closing in on him doesn't mean there weren't open downfield. Quinn was why Braylon, our best receiver, was traded: you know this, right?
6) At least he can get it near his receivers, unlike Quinn.
Your guy was given plenty of opportunity. How about we let people who actually have potential play?
2 1/2 games is hardly plenty of opportunity. How long is it going to take for Anderson to reach his potential? How many starts will it take? 12 for 29 for 99 yards is lousy. Quinn was pulled for numbers in that range, why do we have to keep watching Anderson play at a level that isn't any better? Why not Ratliff at this point? If in your mind Quinn was given "plenty of time", Anderson has had more time than that this season and has stats that are worse. Neither QB is the answer in my mind, but I've seen nearly 30 or more starts from Anderson to know that he isn't getting any better. I've seen 6 from Quinn, I'd rather have another look at this point. And if we aren't going to look at Quinn, then hell put in Ratliff or bring Bartel back or anyone else. It's quite clear that Anderson doesn't give this team a better chance of winning. 3 points this week....7 points last week...6 points the week before that. The offense is shitty and it's not all Anderson's fault, but it wasn't all Quinns either.
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What did I say was untrue?
Anderson's mobility isn't hurting this offense anymore than Quinn's mobility helped it because it's not designed around a QBs mobility; no one is really sure what it's designed to do, or if it's even 'designed', at this point.
Further, I recall being told how the line didn't suck because it was the QB. Turns out, that's not quite true, is it?
I also recall reading that teams were stacking the box because they didn't respect Quinn's arm. It sure didn't look like they respected Anderson's arm either.
Today, it really was the QB position that held us back (and the insistence on using Lewis) from scoring more points. Probably not enough to win, but at least it wouldn't have been...whatever that was.
If that's baiting, fine. I'm baiting. Hey it was all fun and games while Quinn was in. Now...not so much.
Actually, you are baiting. Read your post. You are just calling out people that may or may not have called you out. Just stop.
Actually, you are baiting. Read your post. You are just calling out people that may or may not have called you out. Just stop.
You are the biggest pussy on the Internet. Lemosley is making valid points about situations that are 100% truth. This shit is happening right before our very eyes but all I read is denial denial denial.
We have the worst starting qb in the NFL, FACT.
And your right Lumbergh, this isn't debatable anymore. Anderson is officially taking snaps so Brady Quinn cannot collect on his contract insentives. Not only is the notional media and everyone else around the world laughing at Derek and how bad he is, he's being used like a fawking coupon at the grocery store.
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4) Again, DA's a playmaker, something that Quinn only wishes he could be.
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Actually, you are baiting. Read your post. You are just calling out people that may or may not have called you out. Just stop.
You are the biggest pussy on the Internet. Lemosley is making valid points about situations that are 100% truth. This shit is happening right before our very eyes but all I read is denial denial denial.
We have the worst starting qb in the NFL, FACT.
And your right Lumbergh, this isn't debatable anymore. Anderson is officially taking snaps so Brady Quinn cannot collect on his contract insentives. Not only is the notional media and everyone else around the world laughing at Derek and how bad he is, he's being used like a fawking coupon at the grocery store.
And your right Lumbergh, this isn't debatable anymore. Anderson is officially taking snaps so Brady Quinn cannot collect on his contract insentives. Not only is the notional media and everyone else around the world laughing at Derek and how bad he is, he's being used like a fawking coupon at the grocery store.
Sorry you guys are idiots! We have a very lousy QB in DA, everyone agrees to this and we have become a laughing stock! Quinn was given a couple of shots against a 3 of the toughest defenses in football then pulled. Now DA has been given 4 games and with the same results. If I give Mangini and ownership any amount of brains they can subtract from the end as well as they can subtract from the beginning. In other words, start Quinn for the rest of the season UNTIL it looks like he's going to reach that magic number, if he still sucks at the end of the year yank him! This way you give the people that don't think Quinn was given his fair shake a 6 week look at his ability (we have already seen what DA can do) and we can all move on!!
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