The Hypocrisy of BQ Nation, Quantified
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anderson got a raw deal for sure. just when he was rounding into form, he gets benched, not to mention that the baltimore loss was in no way his fault. yes, he threw the pick, but the defense gave that game up. he should never have been in the position he was. does that excuse his horrible decision to still throw the screen? hell no. but that game was NOT on him. also, i seem to remember phil dawson missing a last-minute, long-ass field goal against the redskins that would have tied that game. should we not have been in that position in that game? no. we shouldn't have. however, with three picks in the first quarter, we shouldn't have been in the position we were in this game, either.
Lum, i respect your unwavering support for anderson. a fan sticks with his team and players. but the way you support anderson can annoy even the people that agree with you. yes, BQ fanboys are dickless chumps, but maybe you could handle them with class, grace and civility. and if that doesn't work, you can always just ignore them. i hate them just as much as you do. hell, i think i dislike quinn more than you do. he's such a pretty boy douchebag closet case. i just want to see him get his ass kicked.
it's that he's entitled that bothers me and that people continue to support that entitlement by screaming for him no matter what he does. it bothers me that people aren't critical of him like they were of anderson. it also doesn't help that he went to a catholic school and i'm a jew. and though those are superficial reasons, they add up to quinn rubbing me the wrong way, especially when you throw in his political views. i don't want to start another political flame war, i just want to explain my andersonian preference.
however, i'm a browns fan. players don't matter to me unless they're not doing what they're supposed to do. and anderson, by and large, was doing what he was supposed to do. thus, raw deal. unfair to bench him. but, unfortunately, it happened, and now i'm cheering for someone i don't particularly like because they're on the team i love. winning is the only thing that matters.
i, too, remember the kelly holcomb fiasco. but tim couch couldn't get it done. we'll never know whether he had it to begin with or whether the browns threw him into the fire too early and ruined him, but the fact of the matter was that he was ruined by the time that season came around and he got outplayed by a career backup. it wasn't so much that people wanted to see kelly holcomb, it's that they didn't want to see tim couch anymore. if couch could've played like he played one great night against pittsburgh, everything would've been fine, but he just never got it done. entirely his fault? not by a long shot. but he was too damaged to be viable.
back to the present day: the six points off three picks? inexcusable. we should have put this game away in the first quarter and not had to win it on a miracle field goal. it's a joke that we had to win the way we did. but we won. yes, quinn had a bad game. yes, it terrifies me that our last-minute drives only bring us to attempt 56-yard field goals. the difference in a season so often comes down to luck. in this case, luck was on the browns' side. against washington, it was against them. it just so happens that quinn benefited and anderson lost out.
anderson got a raw deal for sure. just when he was rounding into form, he gets benched, not to mention that the baltimore loss was in no way his fault. yes, he threw the pick, but the defense gave that game up. he should never have been in the position he was. does that excuse his horrible decision to still throw the screen? hell no. but that game was NOT on him. also, i seem to remember phil dawson missing a last-minute, long-ass field goal against the redskins that would have tied that game. should we not have been in that position in that game? no. we shouldn't have. however, with three picks in the first quarter, we shouldn't have been in the position we were in this game, either.
Lum, i respect your unwavering support for anderson. a fan sticks with his team and players. but the way you support anderson can annoy even the people that agree with you. yes, BQ fanboys are dickless chumps, but maybe you could handle them with class, grace and civility. and if that doesn't work, you can always just ignore them. i hate them just as much as you do. hell, i think i dislike quinn more than you do. he's such a pretty boy douchebag closet case. i just want to see him get his ass kicked.
it's that he's entitled that bothers me and that people continue to support that entitlement by screaming for him no matter what he does. it bothers me that people aren't critical of him like they were of anderson. it also doesn't help that he went to a catholic school and i'm a jew. and though those are superficial reasons, they add up to quinn rubbing me the wrong way, especially when you throw in his political views. i don't want to start another political flame war, i just want to explain my andersonian preference.
however, i'm a browns fan. players don't matter to me unless they're not doing what they're supposed to do. and anderson, by and large, was doing what he was supposed to do. thus, raw deal. unfair to bench him. but, unfortunately, it happened, and now i'm cheering for someone i don't particularly like because they're on the team i love. winning is the only thing that matters.
i, too, remember the kelly holcomb fiasco. but tim couch couldn't get it done. we'll never know whether he had it to begin with or whether the browns threw him into the fire too early and ruined him, but the fact of the matter was that he was ruined by the time that season came around and he got outplayed by a career backup. it wasn't so much that people wanted to see kelly holcomb, it's that they didn't want to see tim couch anymore. if couch could've played like he played one great night against pittsburgh, everything would've been fine, but he just never got it done. entirely his fault? not by a long shot. but he was too damaged to be viable.
back to the present day: the six points off three picks? inexcusable. we should have put this game away in the first quarter and not had to win it on a miracle field goal. it's a joke that we had to win the way we did. but we won. yes, quinn had a bad game. yes, it terrifies me that our last-minute drives only bring us to attempt 56-yard field goals. the difference in a season so often comes down to luck. in this case, luck was on the browns' side. against washington, it was against them. it just so happens that quinn benefited and anderson lost out.
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Quinn gets decent weather, 4 gift turnovers, 160 rushing yards, a 57 yard FG from his kicker, and watches from the sideline as the Buffalo kicker misses the game winner. With all that he only manages a 55 QB rating.
Guess who 11.18% of the fans believe deserves the game ball? EVEN AHEAD OF JEROME HARRISON!!!
FAN POLL
Who gets your game ball from the Browns' thrilling win Monday night?
Phil Dawson 73.75%
Shaun Rogers 3.53%
Kellen Winslow 0.48%
Willie McGinest 0.47%
Jerome Harrison 10.58%
Brady Quinn 11.18%
Total number of votes: 7898
A year prior Derek Anderson plays in some of the worst football conditions ever played in, also gets 160 rushing yards, and a nice 49 yarder. He manages to pull out a 57 QB rating in the game.
Anderson gets less than 1 percent of the game ball vote.
FAN POLL
Who gets your game ball for Sunday's win over the Bills?
Jamal Lewis 60.27%
Braylon Edwards 1.33%
Phil Dawson 25.29%
The defense 12.22%
Someone else 0.89%
Total number of votes: 20870
That's the "Man-Love" effect coming from BQ Nation
In summary, approximately 11 percent of Browns "fans" are so hell bent in love for Quinn that they do not have the ability to even decipher what is happening in the game they are watching as they are so fixated on BQ that they couldn't even tell you who played well.
Those 11 percent include resident posters shep, greythan, and desert dawg, OBR BQ Pumper John Taylor, Plain Dealer BQ Pumper Tony Grossi, as well as many of the XXY chromosome set who come by from time to time including Pumpkin Pumper et. al.
Quinn gets decent weather, 4 gift turnovers, 160 rushing yards, a 57 yard FG from his kicker, and watches from the sideline as the Buffalo kicker misses the game winner. With all that he only manages a 55 QB rating.
Guess who 11.18% of the fans believe deserves the game ball? EVEN AHEAD OF JEROME HARRISON!!!
FAN POLL
Who gets your game ball from the Browns' thrilling win Monday night?
Phil Dawson 73.75%
Shaun Rogers 3.53%
Kellen Winslow 0.48%
Willie McGinest 0.47%
Jerome Harrison 10.58%
Brady Quinn 11.18%
Total number of votes: 7898
A year prior Derek Anderson plays in some of the worst football conditions ever played in, also gets 160 rushing yards, and a nice 49 yarder. He manages to pull out a 57 QB rating in the game.
Anderson gets less than 1 percent of the game ball vote.
FAN POLL
Who gets your game ball for Sunday's win over the Bills?
Jamal Lewis 60.27%
Braylon Edwards 1.33%
Phil Dawson 25.29%
The defense 12.22%
Someone else 0.89%
Total number of votes: 20870
That's the "Man-Love" effect coming from BQ Nation
In summary, approximately 11 percent of Browns "fans" are so hell bent in love for Quinn that they do not have the ability to even decipher what is happening in the game they are watching as they are so fixated on BQ that they couldn't even tell you who played well.
Those 11 percent include resident posters shep, greythan, and desert dawg, OBR BQ Pumper John Taylor, Plain Dealer BQ Pumper Tony Grossi, as well as many of the XXY chromosome set who come by from time to time including Pumpkin Pumper et. al.
Quinn has an arm, can throw, can run, we"ll see if he can win.....
fk everything else!
save it!
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@ Greythan: you make a good point. i think anderson got screwed largely because of timing. his first three games were bad (dallas, pittsburgh, baltimore), then he played poorly in a win against cinci, then incredibly when we thumped the giants. after a down game against washington, he played acceptably against jacksonville and baltimore.
it was disappointing to me that he got pulled when he'd played decent football in three out of the last four games. getting pulled when you're not playing poorly, to me, is getting a raw deal.
as for accountability, what DA can objectively be accountable for are the overthrows, underthrows, imperfect but catchable throws and the turnovers. he could also be responsible for the false starts. we've had fewer since quinn took over.
i'm glad we're seeing what we've got in quinn and even happier that we're winning.
it may just be that i very badly wanted anderson to be great and he turned out to not be.
@ Greythan: you make a good point. i think anderson got screwed largely because of timing. his first three games were bad (dallas, pittsburgh, baltimore), then he played poorly in a win against cinci, then incredibly when we thumped the giants. after a down game against washington, he played acceptably against jacksonville and baltimore.
it was disappointing to me that he got pulled when he'd played decent football in three out of the last four games. getting pulled when you're not playing poorly, to me, is getting a raw deal.
as for accountability, what DA can objectively be accountable for are the overthrows, underthrows, imperfect but catchable throws and the turnovers. he could also be responsible for the false starts. we've had fewer since quinn took over.
i'm glad we're seeing what we've got in quinn and even happier that we're winning.
it may just be that i very badly wanted anderson to be great and he turned out to not be.
have to disagree on Balt and Wash... DA sucked...BE sucked...If we had a stud RB we'd have a very much different record. I've wanted a stud rb since we let ricky williams slide 8 xtra picks through our tips...
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@ Greythan: you make a good point. i think anderson got screwed largely because of timing. his first three games were bad (dallas, pittsburgh, baltimore), then he played poorly in a win against cinci, then incredibly when we thumped the giants. after a down game against washington, he played acceptably against jacksonville and baltimore.
it was disappointing to me that he got pulled when he'd played decent football in three out of the last four games. getting pulled when you're not playing poorly, to me, is getting a raw deal.
as for accountability, what DA can objectively be accountable for are the overthrows, underthrows, imperfect but catchable throws and the turnovers. he could also be responsible for the false starts. we've had fewer since quinn took over.
i'm glad we're seeing what we've got in quinn and even happier that we're winning.
it may just be that i very badly wanted anderson to be great and he turned out to not be.
have to disagree on Balt and Wash... DA sucked...BE sucked...If we had a stud RB we'd have a very much different record. I've wanted a stud rb since we let ricky williams slide 8 xtra picks through our tips...
have to disagree on Balt and Wash... DA sucked...BE sucked...If we had a stud RB we'd have a very much different record. I've wanted a stud rb since we let ricky williams slide 8 xtra picks through our tips...
Here's the difference - when Edwards drops his 3-4 passes we didn't use up 100% of the accurate throws on the day. NOBODY is sitting here blaming Edwards for the QBing because the QBing was GOOD ENBOUGH to win. End result? Edwards had his highest volume of receptions and went over 100 yards receiving. The week before, Winslow had a personal best day in terms of scoring TDs. You shouldn't HAVE to worry about if your QB knows what color uniforms his teammates are wearing. The ONLY fans left worrying about DA are the Oregon State Alumnii.
Anyone wiyth a pulse that caught the 2 Baltimore games counted 3 INTs from DA that went for scores. His decision making skills cost us just like the QB from Buffalo's early decisions cost them. You can't throw picks in your own territory or throw picks for TDs or you're not gonna last. Buffalo's offense was alot like our Ratbird game. They had a kickoff return for a TD and started every drive between the 40 and 50 but their inconsistency and inadequacy at QB was the difference on a day we weren't tackling well. That said, we caused and made 3 INTs.
DA hasn't played well or consisently well since last October if we're being honest. I think Lewis needs to be replaced at RB - and we're on our way to some pretty good things offensively.
DA started out 0-3 in 2006 and Quinn is 1-1. DA's 3rd start was another December 4 INT performance vrs the Bucs that ended with 4 wins. 365 days later, DA was throwing 4 INTs at Cincy. Quinn didn't HAVE to beat DA because DA beat himself into the backup position. He stunk. Every person PAID to commentate our games indicates how surprised they were that BQ didn't replace DA sooner. And why? They had to watch film of our passing game.
- Tom F. (I'm sure Lums is on some Dr Frasier Crane's couch bellyup out West because his boyfriend is done in Cleveland. Meanwhile, it's FUN to watch our offense again)
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Quinn gets decent weather, 4 gift turnovers, 160 rushing yards, a 57 yard FG from his kicker, and watches from the sideline as the Buffalo kicker misses the game winner. With all that he only manages a 55 QB rating.
Guess who 11.18% of the fans believe deserves the game ball? EVEN AHEAD OF JEROME HARRISON!!!
FAN POLL
Who gets your game ball from the Browns' thrilling win Monday night?
Phil Dawson 73.75%
Shaun Rogers 3.53%
Kellen Winslow 0.48%
Willie McGinest 0.47%
Jerome Harrison 10.58%
Brady Quinn 11.18%
Total number of votes: 7898
A year prior Derek Anderson plays in some of the worst football conditions ever played in, also gets 160 rushing yards, and a nice 49 yarder. He manages to pull out a 57 QB rating in the game.
Anderson gets less than 1 percent of the game ball vote.
FAN POLL
Who gets your game ball for Sunday's win over the Bills?
Jamal Lewis 60.27%
Braylon Edwards 1.33%
Phil Dawson 25.29%
The defense 12.22%
Someone else 0.89%
Total number of votes: 20870
That's the "Man-Love" effect coming from BQ Nation
In summary, approximately 11 percent of Browns "fans" are so hell bent in love for Quinn that they do not have the ability to even decipher what is happening in the game they are watching as they are so fixated on BQ that they couldn't even tell you who played well.
Those 11 percent include resident posters shep, greythan, and desert dawg, OBR BQ Pumper John Taylor, Plain Dealer BQ Pumper Tony Grossi, as well as many of the XXY chromosome set who come by from time to time including Pumpkin Pumper et. al.
Quinn gets decent weather, 4 gift turnovers, 160 rushing yards, a 57 yard FG from his kicker, and watches from the sideline as the Buffalo kicker misses the game winner. With all that he only manages a 55 QB rating.
LOL! A grown man crying his eyes out! Didn't it feel like Derek Anderson started at QB for Buffalo? HE undid another kickoff return for a TD and couldn't get the ball to his BEST WR Lee Evans. No catches. A good QB like Cutler didn't have this kind of trouble.
Bottom line: DA couldn't have refrained from INTs in a game like that and we would have LOST another winnable game. WHO here panicked when Edwards dropped his usual 3-4 passes?
And why? You KNEW all BQ's accurate throws for the day weren't used up so it wasn't a state of total despair when passes were dropped. Terrell Davis said it's hard to believe BQ that was only BQ's second start after watchign the clutch performance. Buffalo threw everything they could at him and in the end - it wasn't enough. If BQ threw 1 INT - just 1 - we lose that winnable game.
Now BQ has the best winning percentage of our starting QBs this season. In addition, he's not starting his career 0-3 like Dumb Ass. DA's 3rd start was 4 INTs vrs a TB team that coin flipped us for the #3 overall pick the next draft. 365 days later, he threw 4 INTs to a lousy Cincy D so he's proven he's not smart enough for upside. Have fun in Detroit next year Lummy because that's the only franchise that would consider DA starting material.
- Tom F. (The hypocrisy of Lums is was a special treat this morning. I didn't have to pay 1 penny to watch a grown man cry. Now THAT is entertainment. Unfortunately, many of our regulars put Lummy on ignore so they missed out on this gem)
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If the last Baltimore loss was the Defences fault, are you guys saying that the Denver loss isn't? I still hear you crying for DA to come back in... Does that mean you accept BQ's post game and you blame that loss on him? Was he really supposed to put up 37 points in his first NFL start? Doesn't that seem like asking too much? (No doubt it would have been great if he'd done it!)
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have to disagree on Balt and Wash... DA sucked...BE sucked...If we had a stud RB we'd have a very much different record. I've wanted a stud rb since we let ricky williams slide 8 xtra picks through our tips...
Here's the difference - when Edwards drops his 3-4 passes we didn't use up 100% of the accurate throws on the day. NOBODY is sitting here blaming Edwards for the QBing because the QBing was GOOD ENBOUGH to win. End result? Edwards had his highest volume of receptions and went over 100 yards receiving. The week before, Winslow had a personal best day in terms of scoring TDs. You shouldn't HAVE to worry about if your QB knows what color uniforms his teammates are wearing. The ONLY fans left worrying about DA are the Oregon State Alumnii.
Anyone wiyth a pulse that caught the 2 Baltimore games counted 3 INTs from DA that went for scores. His decision making skills cost us just like the QB from Buffalo's early decisions cost them. You can't throw picks in your own territory or throw picks for TDs or you're not gonna last. Buffalo's offense was alot like our Ratbird game. They had a kickoff return for a TD and started every drive between the 40 and 50 but their inconsistency and inadequacy at QB was the difference on a day we weren't tackling well. That said, we caused and made 3 INTs.
DA hasn't played well or consisently well since last October if we're being honest. I think Lewis needs to be replaced at RB - and we're on our way to some pretty good things offensively.
DA started out 0-3 in 2006 and Quinn is 1-1. DA's 3rd start was another December 4 INT performance vrs the Bucs that ended with 4 wins. 365 days later, DA was throwing 4 INTs at Cincy. Quinn didn't HAVE to beat DA because DA beat himself into the backup position. He stunk. Every person PAID to commentate our games indicates how surprised they were that BQ didn't replace DA sooner. And why? They had to watch film of our passing game.
- Tom F. (I'm sure Lums is on some Dr Frasier Crane's couch bellyup out West because his boyfriend is done in Cleveland. Meanwhile, it's FUN to watch our offense again)
Here's the difference - when Edwards drops his 3-4 passes we didn't use up 100% of the accurate throws on the day. NOBODY is sitting here blaming Edwards for the QBing because the QBing was GOOD ENBOUGH to win. End result? Edwards had his highest volume of receptions and went over 100 yards receiving. The week before, Winslow had a personal best day in terms of scoring TDs. You shouldn't HAVE to worry about if your QB knows what color uniforms his teammates are wearing. The ONLY fans left worrying about DA are the Oregon State Alumnii.
Those are really nice accomplishments for a one-day Tom ... but please tell the class who was under center when these two had their BEST SEASON.
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I just feel like there's more of an upside with Quinn than there was with Anderson. Every QB has a lousy game now and then and I expect Brady will see his share but somehow it won't seem so tragic. I'm not sure why that is. I think it's that upside potential that makes the difference. As I said in an earlier post, BQ got lucky at least a couple of times Monday night and the luck was all good. It was a refreshing change. Often what looks like luck is the result of a lot of hard work that nobody's seen. I suspect that Quinn didn't spend his bench time polishing his cleats. He looks composed because he was prepared.
I really loved seeing BQ being evasive in the pocket. He looked as though he was brushing off an annoying gnat rather than running for his life. He has an all-business look about him. I also like that he is analytical about his own performance in what seems to be a quest for perfection. He takes responsibility for his own role in the game. Again, a refreshing change. I am hopeful that as he tweaks his skills the players around him will gain confidence and raise their level of play. It's only hope at this point but hope is something I haven't felt in a while. And maybe some of that "taking personal responsibility for one's role in the game" thing will wear off on the others too.
When he starts hitting those longer strikes, and as he has more practice with the first team I suspect Brady WILL start hitting those, the game will open up for him.
I usually leave the stats to the folks who love the numbers because I've never felt that objective data tells the whole story. There's no question that the numbers tell an important part of the story, but there's usually more and often valuable information in the subjective.
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Here's the difference - when Edwards drops his 3-4 passes we didn't use up 100% of the accurate throws on the day. NOBODY is sitting here blaming Edwards for the QBing because the QBing was GOOD ENBOUGH to win. End result? Edwards had his highest volume of receptions and went over 100 yards receiving. The week before, Winslow had a personal best day in terms of scoring TDs. You shouldn't HAVE to worry about if your QB knows what color uniforms his teammates are wearing. The ONLY fans left worrying about DA are the Oregon State Alumnii.
Those are really nice accomplishments for a one-day Tom ... but please tell the class who was under center when these two had their BEST SEASON.
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I hear ya Lum, you should have been around in the Tim Couch era, the Homo frenzy was even worst.
At least Quinn is a much more prepared Qb for the NFL game, and doesn't come with the $ baggage a #1 overall pick did.
I saw Quinn's game as being very similiar to Anderson's performances that were called to the carpet here and beaten to death. Had that been Anderson last night, the three almost-picks would be iron-clad picks, the 6-points from 4 turnovers would have been splashed everywhere in disgust, the FG's instead of TD's would be well documented as well.
But best of all, remember when these guys were on here stating, "I won't even use the 1st-start, 2nd-start, 3rd-start, ect.. as an excuse" ... or that Braylon's drops would stop once he didn't have to perform circus catches (now they state Braylon can't catch them straight at him and suggest we throw off-target).
These guys are Homer-homo's there is no doubt about it ... keep up the good work not allowing them back into the closet.
I hear ya Lum, you should have been around in the Tim Couch era, the Homo frenzy was even worst.
At least Quinn is a much more prepared Qb for the NFL game, and doesn't come with the $ baggage a #1 overall pick did.
I saw Quinn's game as being very similiar to Anderson's performances that were called to the carpet here and beaten to death. Had that been Anderson last night, the three almost-picks would be iron-clad picks, the 6-points from 4 turnovers would have been splashed everywhere in disgust, the FG's instead of TD's would be well documented as well.
But best of all, remember when these guys were on here stating, "I won't even use the 1st-start, 2nd-start, 3rd-start, ect.. as an excuse" ... or that Braylon's drops would stop once he didn't have to perform circus catches (now they state Braylon can't catch them straight at him and suggest we throw off-target).
These guys are Homer-homo's there is no doubt about it ... keep up the good work not allowing them back into the closet.
Had that been DA in their the DA slice on here would be toasting his win and numbers, same with last week! They would have been saying the same thing that the Quinn slice on here was saying! Difference is Quinn is on his second start! Compare 2nd full start in a Browns uniform and I am willing to be it is not better then Quinns if it is not by much, bottom line Quinn shows a higher ceiling, (Smarter, more mobile, can make the shorter passes when needed alot better, does not force the ball, better clock management so far) and while his arm may not be up to DA's caliber, it is not weak either.
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I hear ya Lum, you should have been around in the Tim Couch era, the Homo frenzy was even worst.
At least Quinn is a much more prepared Qb for the NFL game, and doesn't come with the $ baggage a #1 overall pick did.
I saw Quinn's game as being very similiar to Anderson's performances that were called to the carpet here and beaten to death. Had that been Anderson last night, the three almost-picks would be iron-clad picks, the 6-points from 4 turnovers would have been splashed everywhere in disgust, the FG's instead of TD's would be well documented as well.
But best of all, remember when these guys were on here stating, "I won't even use the 1st-start, 2nd-start, 3rd-start, ect.. as an excuse" ... or that Braylon's drops would stop once he didn't have to perform circus catches (now they state Braylon can't catch them straight at him and suggest we throw off-target).
These guys are Homer-homo's there is no doubt about it ... keep up the good work not allowing them back into the closet.
Had that been DA in their the DA slice on here would be toasting his win and numbers, same with last week! They would have been saying the same thing that the Quinn slice on here was saying! Difference is Quinn is on his second start! Compare 2nd full start in a Browns uniform and I am willing to be it is not better then Quinns if it is not by much, bottom line Quinn shows a higher ceiling, (Smarter, more mobile, can make the shorter passes when needed alot better, does not force the ball, better clock management so far) and while his arm may not be up to DA's caliber, it is not weak either.
Had that been DA in their the DA slice on here would be toasting his win and numbers, same with last week! They would have been saying the same thing that the Quinn slice on here was saying! Difference is Quinn is on his second start! Compare 2nd full start in a Browns uniform and I am willing to be it is not better then Quinns if it is not by much, bottom line Quinn shows a higher ceiling, (Smarter, more mobile, can make the shorter passes when needed alot better, does not force the ball, better clock management so far) and while his arm may not be up to DA's caliber, it is not weak either.
I agree Plum, well said.
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If that's what is needed to get sent to the bench then BQ's job may now be in jeopardy after yesterday's 55.
Lum are you really that stupid or is this just an act? Had DA put up those numbers in his second start would you be saying that no, and you would be rightfully to do so.
LUM straight question, Had DA's and BQ's fate been switched last year and BQ was the starter, and put up identical performances up to 2 weeks ago, would you be ok with letting him continue to be the starter, even though we had a qb on the bench that alot of people thought could get the job done, like we had in Quinn?
Cause if the rolls were reversed I can tell you I would have been saying time to put DA in!
Had we not had Quinn on the bench things maybe different, but when you have a potential franchise QB on the bench and the one playing is not playing to the level that he should be, and it is getting close to a time where you have to make a decision on which one stays (cause that point was a coming had the switch not been made) you put the other QB in to see what he is made of that way you don't trade the wrong one off without knowing at least part of what he can do. Had DA not regressed back into his form of the last half of the season then I would never have wanted a change.
If I have 2 cars in the garage, and one is not running right, and the other one is , I am not going to keep running the one that is running poorly I am going to switch out to the good running one!
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If that's what is needed to get sent to the bench then BQ's job may now be in jeopardy after yesterday's 55.
Lum are you really that stupid or is this just an act? Had DA put up those numbers in his second start would you be saying that no, and you would be rightfully to do so.
LUM straight question, Had DA's and BQ's fate been switched last year and BQ was the starter, and put up identical performances up to 2 weeks ago, would you be ok with letting him continue to be the starter, even though we had a qb on the bench that alot of people thought could get the job done, like we had in Quinn?
Cause if the rolls were reversed I can tell you I would have been saying time to put DA in!
Had we not had Quinn on the bench things maybe different, but when you have a potential franchise QB on the bench and the one playing is not playing to the level that he should be, and it is getting close to a time where you have to make a decision on which one stays (cause that point was a coming had the switch not been made) you put the other QB in to see what he is made of that way you don't trade the wrong one off without knowing at least part of what he can do. Had DA not regressed back into his form of the last half of the season then I would never have wanted a change.
If I have 2 cars in the garage, and one is not running right, and the other one is , I am not going to keep running the one that is running poorly I am going to switch out to the good running one!
Lum are you really that stupid or is this just an act? Had DA put up those numbers in his second start would you be saying that no, and you would be rightfully to do so.
LUM straight question, Had DA's and BQ's fate been switched last year and BQ was the starter, and put up identical performances up to 2 weeks ago, would you be ok with letting him continue to be the starter, even though we had a qb on the bench that alot of people thought could get the job done, like we had in Quinn?
Cause if the rolls were reversed I can tell you I would have been saying time to put DA in!
Had we not had Quinn on the bench things maybe different, but when you have a potential franchise QB on the bench and the one playing is not playing to the level that he should be, and it is getting close to a time where you have to make a decision on which one stays (cause that point was a coming had the switch not been made) you put the other QB in to see what he is made of that way you don't trade the wrong one off without knowing at least part of what he can do. Had DA not regressed back into his form of the last half of the season then I would never have wanted a change.
If I have 2 cars in the garage, and one is not running right, and the other one is , I am not going to keep running the one that is running poorly I am going to switch out to the good running one!
Now, now! If Lums wants to drive the car that wouldn't pass emissions, let him! Just make sure that you close the garage door when you pull out with the good car so Lums & DA can enjoy the fumes together.
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have to disagree on Balt and Wash... DA sucked...BE sucked...If we had a stud RB we'd have a very much different record. I've wanted a stud rb since we let ricky williams slide 8 xtra picks through our tips...
Here's the difference - when Edwards drops his 3-4 passes we didn't use up 100% of the accurate throws on the day. NOBODY is sitting here blaming Edwards for the QBing because the QBing was GOOD ENBOUGH to win. End result? Edwards had his highest volume of receptions and went over 100 yards receiving. The week before, Winslow had a personal best day in terms of scoring TDs. You shouldn't HAVE to worry about if your QB knows what color uniforms his teammates are wearing. The ONLY fans left worrying about DA are the Oregon State Alumnii.
Anyone wiyth a pulse that caught the 2 Baltimore games counted 3 INTs from DA that went for scores. His decision making skills cost us just like the QB from Buffalo's early decisions cost them. You can't throw picks in your own territory or throw picks for TDs or you're not gonna last. Buffalo's offense was alot like our Ratbird game. They had a kickoff return for a TD and started every drive between the 40 and 50 but their inconsistency and inadequacy at QB was the difference on a day we weren't tackling well. That said, we caused and made 3 INTs.
DA hasn't played well or consisently well since last October if we're being honest. I think Lewis needs to be replaced at RB - and we're on our way to some pretty good things offensively.
DA started out 0-3 in 2006 and Quinn is 1-1. DA's 3rd start was another December 4 INT performance vrs the Bucs that ended with 4 wins. 365 days later, DA was throwing 4 INTs at Cincy. Quinn didn't HAVE to beat DA because DA beat himself into the backup position. He stunk. Every person PAID to commentate our games indicates how surprised they were that BQ didn't replace DA sooner. And why? They had to watch film of our passing game.
- Tom F. (I'm sure Lums is on some Dr Frasier Crane's couch bellyup out West because his boyfriend is done in Cleveland. Meanwhile, it's FUN to watch our offense again)
Here's the difference - when Edwards drops his 3-4 passes we didn't use up 100% of the accurate throws on the day. NOBODY is sitting here blaming Edwards for the QBing because the QBing was GOOD ENBOUGH to win. End result? Edwards had his highest volume of receptions and went over 100 yards receiving. The week before, Winslow had a personal best day in terms of scoring TDs. You shouldn't HAVE to worry about if your QB knows what color uniforms his teammates are wearing. The ONLY fans left worrying about DA are the Oregon State Alumnii.
Anyone wiyth a pulse that caught the 2 Baltimore games counted 3 INTs from DA that went for scores. His decision making skills cost us just like the QB from Buffalo's early decisions cost them. You can't throw picks in your own territory or throw picks for TDs or you're not gonna last. Buffalo's offense was alot like our Ratbird game. They had a kickoff return for a TD and started every drive between the 40 and 50 but their inconsistency and inadequacy at QB was the difference on a day we weren't tackling well. That said, we caused and made 3 INTs.
DA hasn't played well or consisently well since last October if we're being honest. I think Lewis needs to be replaced at RB - and we're on our way to some pretty good things offensively.
DA started out 0-3 in 2006 and Quinn is 1-1. DA's 3rd start was another December 4 INT performance vrs the Bucs that ended with 4 wins. 365 days later, DA was throwing 4 INTs at Cincy. Quinn didn't HAVE to beat DA because DA beat himself into the backup position. He stunk. Every person PAID to commentate our games indicates how surprised they were that BQ didn't replace DA sooner. And why? They had to watch film of our passing game.
- Tom F. (I'm sure Lums is on some Dr Frasier Crane's couch bellyup out West because his boyfriend is done in Cleveland. Meanwhile, it's FUN to watch our offense again)
The difference is last year ~ when we needed to RUN out the clock and put teams away...we did...on the ground.
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Here's the difference - when Edwards drops his 3-4 passes we didn't use up 100% of the accurate throws on the day. NOBODY is sitting here blaming Edwards for the QBing because the QBing was GOOD ENBOUGH to win. End result? Edwards had his highest volume of receptions and went over 100 yards receiving. The week before, Winslow had a personal best day in terms of scoring TDs. You shouldn't HAVE to worry about if your QB knows what color uniforms his teammates are wearing. The ONLY fans left worrying about DA are the Oregon State Alumnii.
Those are really nice accomplishments for a one-day Tom ... but please tell the class who was under center when these two had their BEST SEASON.
Those are really nice accomplishments for a one-day Tom ... but please tell the class who was under center when these two had their BEST SEASON.
Like the commentators said on Monday Night - we ONLY beat 1 team that had a winning record in 2007. That one team was horrible on the road btw.
I mean Stan, you're acting like we would have been the SECOND team to lose to Miami in 2007 if DA didn't take snaps that day. Quinn only got 1 drive vrs the terrible SF 49ers and it led to points and they won about 4 games all year. Buffalo didn't even score so how much credit do you want to give DA for handing off after the game winning Safety was made? How easy is beating Kyle Boller any time he starts against us? Charlie Frye beat him head to head in our final game of 2005 so how much credit do you want to give DA for sweeping Boller? And the NY Jets won a total of 4 games as DA started that one off with an INT until Sean Jones saved his ass with an INT at the Jets goal line. Houston was a last placed team. St Louis was winless in the week 7 matchup so I mean how tough was that one? EVERY QB was beating the Rams.
We SPLIT with a crappy Cincy team, got swept by our most important rival (with 7 second consecutive 3 and outs in the 2nd half at Pitt and the other possession change was a kickoff return for a TD by Cribbs so DA sucked after October). Oakland beat us right? The same Arizona secondary that couldn't beat Chris Redman or Trent Dilfer twice actually intercepted DA and scored on him.
Furthermore, DA was 0-3 in his first 3 starts of his second NFL season in 2006. His 3rd one was a 4 INT disaster vrs a 4 win Bucs' franchise. The very next draft, Phil Savage feels compelled to trade back up into round 1 and grab a first round QB prospect.
I'm shocked you're so disappointed this young QB in just his second start drove us to game winning points on our final drive of the night. I thought it was fun. How many INTs does he have in the last 2 games? He's already shown he knows shown me he's not going to be consistently stupid with high pressured decisions. If that's not enough, he can get outside or extend plays. You should be GLAD we have a first round pick looking like he has alot to offer this team when the other QB project fermented.
Since November of 2007, teams found an easy way to defend DA so every time he threw one accurate pass all game - all of DA's biggest fans blamed Edwards for his bad games. Think about WHY it's so devastating when players drop DA's passes. It's because NOBODY believes he can get the next one there or the one after that and they were right.
When QBs are good enough - nobody spends the next week talking about the dropped pass that killed us. I heard all the fussing about Braylon's drops vrs Baltimore but which one of the DA fans wanted to give Edwards credit for wrestling away an INT in the end zone for a TD? Braylon didn't throw the TD pass to Suggs - that was DA. INTs in tight ball games had more to do with BQ's rise in popularity Stan. Weren't the Buffalo fans booing their QB for his 3 early INTs? You CANNOT do that and remain a fan favorite. Vinny Testaverde went 11-5 and BEAT the NE Patriots in the first round of the playoffs but ALL people could wonder was what if we had a guy that didn't throw too many INTs.
All I can think of about 2007 was as soon as we got to the point of the season where there was a must win for playoff chances - DA responded with 4 INTs at Cincy. Leigh Bodden had an early INT that gave us the ball at the Cincy 28 and we had 4 other drives that went to the Cincy 29 or further where we didn't score any points on any of those. A BETTER QB doesn't throw 4 back breaking INTs in that game. I'm sorry.
- Tom F.
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Cleveland Browns QB depth chart
1. Brady Quinn
2. Ken Dorsey
3. Joshua Cribbs
4. Radon fan pulled from stands
5. Brownie the Elf
6. Derek Anderson
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