Kokinis Escorted From Office
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It's obvious that Bernie knows football, but you don't just bring in a guy and stick him in the all-important GM role. That would be an Al Davis-type move.
I'm not a fan of Kokinis - given how invisible he's been, how could one be? -- but it's just weird that you have a situation with a wannabe svengali as coach who apparently has all the power, and an invisible GM, and the GM gets the axe. The only thing I can think of is that Lerner had enough of Kokinis' invisibility and has decided to bring in a VP Ops and a new GM after the year, then let that person make a decision on Mangini, or like you said... Kokinis did something behind the scenes to merit the firing.
When is the last time a GM was fired in the middle of a season? I'm sure it's happened, but it seems a bit unusual...
It's obvious that Bernie knows football, but you don't just bring in a guy and stick him in the all-important GM role. That would be an Al Davis-type move.
I'm not a fan of Kokinis - given how invisible he's been, how could one be? -- but it's just weird that you have a situation with a wannabe svengali as coach who apparently has all the power, and an invisible GM, and the GM gets the axe. The only thing I can think of is that Lerner had enough of Kokinis' invisibility and has decided to bring in a VP Ops and a new GM after the year, then let that person make a decision on Mangini, or like you said... Kokinis did something behind the scenes to merit the firing.
When is the last time a GM was fired in the middle of a season? I'm sure it's happened, but it seems a bit unusual...
Oh boy I think we just became a joke.
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It's obvious that Bernie knows football, but you don't just bring in a guy and stick him in the all-important GM role. That would be an Al Davis-type move.
I'm not a fan of Kokinis - given how invisible he's been, how could one be? -- but it's just weird that you have a situation with a wannabe svengali as coach who apparently has all the power, and an invisible GM, and the GM gets the axe. The only thing I can think of is that Lerner had enough of Kokinis' invisibility and has decided to bring in a VP Ops and a new GM after the year, then let that person make a decision on Mangini, or like you said... Kokinis did something behind the scenes to merit the firing.
When is the last time a GM was fired in the middle of a season? I'm sure it's happened, but it seems a bit unusual...
Oh boy I think we just became a joke.
Oh boy I think we just became a joke.
Just became!? Dude have you seen the past 10 years?
What we're seeing here in 2010 is precisely what happened in NE a decade ago. It worked for them then, and it wiill work for us now. Why? Because it's the only way it's ever worked in pro football. Just ask Paul Brown. Or Vince Lombardi. Or Tom Landry. .02, Clemdawg -
there has to be more to this. kokinas did something to piss lerner off. maybe he wouldn't listen to him or was insubordinate but this is not just a terrible record with terrible players thing. i am waiting to hear more about it really.
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We have the worst offense in football, under a rookie Offensive Coordinator, so we fire the GM.
Mangini, Ryan and I believe there is another coach on-staff that have Defensive Coordinator experience. Look for an Offensive minded GM-type to come in.
That's not Cowher.
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New GM: The Chin
New President of Football Operations: TUNA!
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how much does Learner have to dish out in severance pay??? Good God it has to be a tremendous amount....this organization is horrid and a joke
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Rumor on the street is that:
New president of football operations would be:
And GM would be:
Come on, folks, put two and two together.
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Why Kokinis? Why now?
I figured Kokinis would be instrumental in preparing us for the Draft.
Why Kokinis? Why now?
I figured Kokinis would be instrumental in preparing us for the Draft.
Exactly. They are not happy with what happened in the last draft and want to install someone who can prepare us for the draft before the season is out. Mack and Robiski aren't exactly lighting things up.
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Kosar will be GM folks.
Kosar will be GM folks.
I sure hope not. I don't want to ride in a car with a drunk at the wheel! I can see it now, Bernie slurring during the NFL draft explaining how how traded all our draft picks for a 12 pack of PBR and a washed up qb.
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The only reason I've come up with is Kokinis felt we should keep Quinn on the bench, save the $11 million and play for the draft pick. Lose as many now to get the pick??? Only reason I see that could set Lerner off to fire the guy.
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Wise move on Kokinis' part to get the hell out of there or just hapilly take the escort... the whole thing was a lose lose scenario for him right from the start...
Lerner made the mistake of making his coach GM - making Mangini the defacto GM and letting Mangini be the one to hire Kokinis
Kokins therefore gets the blame if things go bad and none of the credit if anything should go right.
Ulitmately this is a slap in the face to the defacto GM as well - the coach - but it will be interesting to see if Mangini truly did throw Kokinis under the bus... that would not be good for Mangini personally if that were the case, as he's pretty suspect in his degree of loyalty to any organization in the first place... seeing him throw a hand-picked lieutenant on a grenade wouldn't exactly give him the hallmark of a respected leader... then again he probably lost that on the bus trip to Hartford and the $1700 waterbottle fine.
If Mangini did throw Kokinis under the bus, file it away as another great MangIdiot moment... as Mangnini's the defacto GM himself, and hand-picked Kokinis - and presumably had authority over all personnel moves - this doesn't cast him in the best light.
And that light gets even dimmer when one steps back and appreciate's MangIdiot demonstrating that great leadership quality of throwing a loyal lieutenant on a grenade to save himself.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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think we will know anything tomorrow morning? or is that too soon?
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Before Kokinis it was Erin O'Brien who got booted out by Lerner.
Im wondering if this was due to the water bottle fine and other BS the players had to deal with other than learning their playbooks.
Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini's trusted confidante Erin O'Brien has been fired, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
It's a negative sign for Mangini's clout and job security.
O'Brien, who came with Mangini from the New York Jets, was in charge of travel arrangements, but botched the transportation for the team's medical workers.
According to the Browns, O'Brien officially resigned for "personal reasons."
However, she apparently had "burned so many bridges" her job was unsavable.
A potential target for Browns owner Randy Lerner is former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher.
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Here are Peter King's latest twitter entries:
Just heard from a scouting friend that George Kokinis has been miserable in Cleveland. He wasn't shocked.
The problem for Kokinis: If you're going to move to be a GM, you need authority. Mangini had it in Cle. Kokinis should have stayed in Balt.
Browns owner Randy Lerner now finds self in unenviable spot of finding a front-office honcho to pair with Mangini. Not exactly a great gig.
I mean, how many more high-paid people can the Browns fire? They still owe PSavage 3.5 years' salary! They owe fired employees over $20m.
http://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing
Beanpot
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its a recession. lets just blow our money shall we?
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I welcome this move. I'd welcome it more if we know who we want as a replacement in there right away. People have to be held accountable for what's on the field each Sunday.
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Kokinis must have done something that Lerner really didn't like. Why cut a GM 8 games into his tenure when you haven't seen how his picks are going to pan out or what he is going to do in free agency next year. Something smells bad about this one. Cutting the coach would make more logical sense at this point (not saying he should do that either). This seems like the boss coming into the office and picking someone random to yell at just so everyone knows he is still the boss. If this is a knee-jerk Lerner reaction, then we are going nowhere for a long time to come.
Plus, now we can't make mankok jokes anymore and we are just left with Mangini-vagina jokes. Let's just hope that our new GM's last name will be Juice or Meat so can say Manjuice and Manmeat.
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