Kokinis got schooled
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Masters said:
It wasn't just looking at the depth chart. It was value and need position. They draft Mack or Wood, who are better than Stapleton, they don't need that G. We are talking about a team who has luxary with their picks at this point. They didn't have a true must need. PIT is build on running the ball and stopping the run. One they had problems with for large chunks last season, along with protecting the QB. We'll never know what PIT would have done if Mack or Wood was still sitting on the board at 32. It's all speculation.Try to say what you want....Your exact quote was that they only had two centers on the roster. It was wrong.
Spin it any way you want. Why don't you just say "Oh yeah, I didn't realize that?"
When you try to spin it you sound goofy.
They needed a guard and went out and got it.
Try to say what you want....Your exact quote was that they only had two centers on the roster. It was wrong.
Spin it any way you want. Why don't you just say "Oh yeah, I didn't realize that?"
When you try to spin it you sound goofy.
They needed a guard and went out and got it.
And? They got guys that can move, but at this point, they had two C penciled in on their roster. And I did say you got me and they had two, not one. Do you really need more of a pat on the back.
I'll contend they could use a G, just as they could use a DE, NT, and C. I think they would have taken the C had one of the top 2 been available when they picked.
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Try to say what you want....Your exact quote was that they only had two centers on the roster. It was wrong.
Spin it any way you want. Why don't you just say "Oh yeah, I didn't realize that?"
When you try to spin it you sound goofy.
They needed a guard and went out and got it.
And? They got guys that can move, but at this point, they had two C penciled in on their roster. And I did say you got me and they had two, not one. Do you really need more of a pat on the back.
I'll contend they could use a G, just as they could use a DE, NT, and C. I think they would have taken the C had one of the top 2 been available when they picked.
Masters said:
And I did say you got me and they had two, not one. Do you really need more of a pat on the back.I'm sorry. I Didn't read that anywhere in your post.
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Masters said:
And I did say you got me and they had two, not one. Do you really need more of a pat on the back.I'm sorry. I Didn't read that anywhere in your post.
I'm sorry. I Didn't read that anywhere in your post.
No sweat.
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Let me help.
We got the best Center in the draft who can also play Guard. BTW, Pittsburgh REALLY wanted Mack. We also added 2 guys that started on the Jets D plus 3 more picks than we started the day with. Aside from that, we needed WRs and landed 2 and added an OLBer/pass rusher.
Not for nothing but when Kokinos came here he was looking at 4 draft picks for 2009. Don't forget he got 1 pick for Winslow this year and 1 more pick for Winslow next year. Kokinos & Co addressed ALOT more holes on our roster than you think today. Now we're looking at 4 more picks tomorrow. Could have been a lot worse.
- Tom F.
Flugs, I don't know where you got your information but the Steelers were not interested in taking Mack, they were going defensive line or wide receiver in the 1st round
Yea we picked up extra draft picks, but how many of these 2nd day picks are going to help this team, how many 6th round picks make NFL rosters
We got a average safety and backup defensive end from the jets, 2 guys who are stop gap players for a few years
Why pick 2 receivers when this team needed a running back to replace tip toe Lewis and a pass rusher that we still don't have
If this could have been worse I would have hate to see what these CLOWNS would have done
I did not like the Mangini hiring and after today I like it less
Seems to me Mangini is coach and GM and Kokinis just has a title but Mangini is the person making most of the decisions, thought I heard Lerner say after Butch Davis he did'nt want one person with all the power.
Flugs, I don't know where you got your information but the Steelers were not interested in taking Mack, they were going defensive line or wide receiver in the 1st round
Yea we picked up extra draft picks, but how many of these 2nd day picks are going to help this team, how many 6th round picks make NFL rosters
We got a average safety and backup defensive end from the jets, 2 guys who are stop gap players for a few years
Why pick 2 receivers when this team needed a running back to replace tip toe Lewis and a pass rusher that we still don't have
If this could have been worse I would have hate to see what these CLOWNS would have done
I did not like the Mangini hiring and after today I like it less
Seems to me Mangini is coach and GM and Kokinis just has a title but Mangini is the person making most of the decisions, thought I heard Lerner say after Butch Davis he did'nt want one person with all the power.
I think the thought process in bringing in another BB pupil was to maintain the continuity of the 3-4 that many of our younger players were being trained to play in. Mangini won 9 games in his first season in NY (2006) and won 10 games in 2008. More specifically, when he had healthy QBs - he won consistently. I'd rather have our GM and Head Coach in the same universe this time around so we're more like the organizations that were best known for getting it right.
As for all the day 2 additions that concern you - take a look at what SF did when they added guys like Steve Wallace, Don Griffen and Tim McKyer and others. They were on the NFL Channel's Top 10 drafts. John McVey said Walsh kept presssing him to trade back further and further into day 2.
The Buffalo Bills had countless day 2 picks materializing into 4 consecutive SB appearances.
Pro Bowl Corners named Cortland Finnegan (Samford College) rd 7 and Assante Sameuls (UCF) rd 4. Brian Westbrook day 2. Ike Taylor & Deshea Townsend both rd 4. Brett Keisel rd 7, Aaron Smith rd 4, James Harrison undrafted, Willie Parker undrafted, Larry Foote rd 4... Day 2 matters!
Other noteworthy day 2 draft picks in rd 6 or later:
Marc Bulger rd 6
Tom Brady rd 6
Terrell Davis rd 6
Jamaal Anderson rd 6
Ernest Byner rd 10
Brian Sipe rd 13
Jake Delhomme wasn't drafted but cut by New Orleans before showing up in Carolina
Tony Romance wasn't drafted
Matt Hasselbeck rd 6
I think your BEST GMs work very closely with the Head Coach and scouting staff so there's MORE to a draft than what you do in the upper part of round 1. In the 80s, we had good players coming in from all different directions. This year we doubled our draft volume and added starters via trade. It's a nice start for Mangini and Kokinos. If we put all our marbles into just the #5 pick overall, what happens when his knee shatters the way LeCharles Bentley's knee and Courtney Brown's knee did? Then what? We're right back top being held hostage from committing all our marble into 1 superstar. If that formula worked, we would have been all set a long time ago but here we are.
Let's give Mangini and Kokinos a chance. Again, they were only left 4 draft picks for this draft so I think they showed me some ability to problem solve and learn from our history and their history.
- Tom F.
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Lmao!!! Just read through the majority of this thread since I missed it in April. For sanity's sake (yours, not mine) I do my best to avoid the board during the offseason. Too much time on my hands to think the worst. No point in making everybody else nuts the same time I'm rocking back and forth in my lil corner.
I would be way out in left field if I was posting in April.
Delonte would look sane next to me.Excited to watch the game tonight! 8:15 start for me. Got the kid til 8. Don't want to give her nightmares.
This is why FAN is short for FANATICAL...
0-3 start.
New coach that some of us wouldn't mind if his head rolled all ready.
New OC that most of us wouldn't mind if his head rolled all ready.
Owner that most of us wish would sell the team.
Year 3 of the DA/BQ saga.
$1701 fines for water.
tempers in the locker room.
More grievances filed with the league than touchdowns scored.
AND here I sit... antsy. Butterflies. I can't wait to watch the game!!!!!!
it puts the lotion on it's skin, or it's forced to watch the Browns -
At least mack is playing and learning and we dont know much about the other mankok picks as they never get to play because according to the staff in minced and questionable words..they are fragile little babies that arent ready to play in the nfl yet or they arent as good as those on the field hmmm ok...
I think its time to start building for next year by seeing if these guys can at least hang with the big boyz or rather gooni needs to cut em loose and try again...
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At least mack is playing and learning and we dont know much about the other mankok picks as they never get to play because according to the staff in minced and questionable words..they are fragile little babies that arent ready to play in the nfl yet or they arent as good as those on the field hmmm ok...
I think its time to start building for next year by seeing if these guys can at least hang with the big boyz or rather gooni needs to cut em loose and try again...
At least mack is playing and learning and we dont know much about the other mankok picks as they never get to play because according to the staff in minced and questionable words..they are fragile little babies that arent ready to play in the nfl yet or they arent as good as those on the field hmmm ok...
I think its time to start building for next year by seeing if these guys can at least hang with the big boyz or rather gooni needs to cut em loose and try again...
I'd like to see them get playing time too. Maybe after an 0-4 start.
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Yeah, the Steelers wanted Mack. Sorry Sony, but your whining isn't right this time.
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Some people have tunnel vision and can't or refuse to see outside the box.
I think some people get ticked when the professional evaluators view players and needs differently then they do.
Rey is a good example. All year long people bought in to the hype and envisioned the next Ray Lewis, yet when the rubber met the road, he was the last starting USC backer selected.
Why is that???
The answer is in the first words of this post.
Some people have tunnel vision and can't or refuse to see outside the box.
I think some people get ticked when the professional evaluators view players and needs differently then they do.
Rey is a good example. All year long people bought in to the hype and envisioned the next Ray Lewis, yet when the rubber met the road, he was the last starting USC backer selected.
Why is that???
The answer is in the first words of this post.
you were saying?
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compared to what NE got...and the other trades...kokinis got schooled especially in regard to Sanchez trade...a second rounder and a saftey& two backups? The Rookie showed his colors today...we got a 6th for tampa movin up to 17...short changed...a 6th for phily movin up to 19....Ne gets a 5th for baltimore to move up to 23.... schooled!!!
Would you rather have Maclin, Rey, (massaqua) and rashard johnson??/ i sure as hell would
Solon, I agree with you 100%, We just got taken to school today, and this leads me to believe that Mangini is running everything with this team and Kokinis is just a figurehead..
Our biggest need was pass rusher and we got none, we needed a running back and we got none, a center and 2 wide receivers and a converted DE is not what I would have expected.
Tell me how many 2nd day picks make NFL rosters or any type of impact, we got a bunch of 6th round picks....whoooooooooo, if we are expected to build this team into a winner with a bunch of 2nd day picks we are in BIG TROUBLE
For the people who think we were smart to pass on Rey, just remember when Rey is playing in the Pro bowl what we could have had
This team still has no identity on defense, we have no linebackers who you can say are better than average, and don't tell me about all the tackles D'Qwell makes, the playmakers in a 3-4 are the LB's and who do we have at linebacker, Wimbley=BUST, Old Man Barton, Unproven=Hall.
This draft was TERRIBLE
Solon, I agree with you 100%, We just got taken to school today, and this leads me to believe that Mangini is running everything with this team and Kokinis is just a figurehead..
Our biggest need was pass rusher and we got none, we needed a running back and we got none, a center and 2 wide receivers and a converted DE is not what I would have expected.
Tell me how many 2nd day picks make NFL rosters or any type of impact, we got a bunch of 6th round picks....whoooooooooo, if we are expected to build this team into a winner with a bunch of 2nd day picks we are in BIG TROUBLE
For the people who think we were smart to pass on Rey, just remember when Rey is playing in the Pro bowl what we could have had
This team still has no identity on defense, we have no linebackers who you can say are better than average, and don't tell me about all the tackles D'Qwell makes, the playmakers in a 3-4 are the LB's and who do we have at linebacker, Wimbley=BUST, Old Man Barton, Unproven=Hall.
This draft was TERRIBLE
Terrible!!!
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Some people have tunnel vision and can't or refuse to see outside the box.
I think some people get ticked when the professional evaluators view players and needs differently then they do.
Rey is a good example. All year long people bought in to the hype and envisioned the next Ray Lewis, yet when the rubber met the road, he was the last starting USC backer selected.
Why is that???
The answer is in the first words of this post.
you were saying?
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As someone who knows the three players received from the Jets well....I can tell you that you got two bona fide starters and a legitimate backup QB in addition to the second round pick. THEY FLEECED THE JETS not the other way around.
All of these guys have character to bring to a locker room that's in need of it.
Alex Mack is intelligent and tough as they come. Maualuga has serious off the field issues. Get over it. No wonder he went to Cincy.
By the way....Jennings is still on the board in the fourth....so second would be a reach.
For a team that only had four draft picks...they've parlayed them into four starters. Well done Mr. Kokinis.
As someone who knows the three players received from the Jets well....I can tell you that you got two bona fide starters and a legitimate backup QB in addition to the second round pick. THEY FLEECED THE JETS not the other way around.
All of these guys have character to bring to a locker room that's in need of it.
Alex Mack is intelligent and tough as they come. Maualuga has serious off the field issues. Get over it. No wonder he went to Cincy.
By the way....Jennings is still on the board in the fourth....so second would be a reach.
For a team that only had four draft picks...they've parlayed them into four starters. Well done Mr. Kokinis.
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Solon, I agree with you 100%, We just got taken to school today, and this leads me to believe that Mangini is running everything with this team and Kokinis is just a figurehead..
Our biggest need was pass rusher and we got none, we needed a running back and we got none, a center and 2 wide receivers and a converted DE is not what I would have expected.
Tell me how many 2nd day picks make NFL rosters or any type of impact, we got a bunch of 6th round picks....whoooooooooo, if we are expected to build this team into a winner with a bunch of 2nd day picks we are in BIG TROUBLE
For the people who think we were smart to pass on Rey, just remember when Rey is playing in the Pro bowl what we could have had
This team still has no identity on defense, we have no linebackers who you can say are better than average, and don't tell me about all the tackles D'Qwell makes, the playmakers in a 3-4 are the LB's and who do we have at linebacker, Wimbley=BUST, Old Man Barton, Unproven=Hall.
This draft was TERRIBLE
Since when do you work for the Browns and know their biggest need? When did ManKok fill you in on their plans for the team and what they perceive as the biggest needs of the team? Once again, another whiney little bitch because they didn't pick who you liked and you refuse to even wait and see what gets put on the field.
Since when do you work for the Browns and know their biggest need? When did ManKok fill you in on their plans for the team and what they perceive as the biggest needs of the team? Once again, another whiney little bitch because they didn't pick who you liked and you refuse to even wait and see what gets put on the field.
I have seen....hmmm, my third eye....hey neb...wrong!
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Since when do you work for the Browns and know their biggest need? When did ManKok fill you in on their plans for the team and what they perceive as the biggest needs of the team? Once again, another whiney little bitch because they didn't pick who you liked and you refuse to even wait and see what gets put on the field.
I have seen....hmmm, my third eye....hey neb...wrong!
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Kokinis is a numbskull, but our draft did not suck. It actually was pretty good, seeing as how we had limited picks to begin with.
sorry for you....
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Kokinis is a numbskull, but our draft did not suck. It actually was pretty good, seeing as how we had limited picks to begin with.
sorry for you....
sorry for you....
Sorry for me? I don't understand why. Essentially everybody I've seen has agreed that our draft was pretty good. Sure, it could have been better. But what if we had gone for Maualuga and then he turned out to be the world's biggest shithead? Then you'd be chastising EM for reaching for him, even though his stock dropped significantly. You aren't going to be happy no matter what. I've said it once before and I will say it again- You are nothing but a douchebag who completely resents differing opinions. Maybe you should be our HC, since you are so well-qualified. I'm sure we won't go wrong there.
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sorry for you....
Sorry for me? I don't understand why. Essentially everybody I've seen has agreed that our draft was pretty good. Sure, it could have been better. But what if we had gone for Maualuga and then he turned out to be the world's biggest shithead? Then you'd be chastising EM for reaching for him, even though his stock dropped significantly. You aren't going to be happy no matter what. I've said it once before and I will say it again- You are nothing but a douchebag who completely resents differing opinions. Maybe you should be our HC, since you are so well-qualified. I'm sure we won't go wrong there.
Sorry for me? I don't understand why. Essentially everybody I've seen has agreed that our draft was pretty good. Sure, it could have been better. But what if we had gone for Maualuga and then he turned out to be the world's biggest shithead? Then you'd be chastising EM for reaching for him, even though his stock dropped significantly. You aren't going to be happy no matter what. I've said it once before and I will say it again- You are nothing but a douchebag who completely resents differing opinions. Maybe you should be our HC, since you are so well-qualified. I'm sure we won't go wrong there.
wow...nice with the name calling...good to speak with you too. we have bombed 10 str8 years on the draft....this year zero difference...never ever take a center in the first round...he may be great but onother huge mistake. I see nothing, absolutely nothing about our second rounders to say it isn't a complete busted draft. I hope I'm wrong....doubt it highly
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