An agents perspective of Cleveland
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Metcalf_FTW said:
So who was the FA?thats a s**tload of speculation on what happened..Let me thell you something
if the money is there they will come, thats all they give a s**t about and if
you think anything else is your naive..ITS ALWAYS ABOUT THE DOUGH..ALWAYS
thats a s**tload of speculation on what happened..Let me thell you something
if the money is there they will come, thats all they give a s**t about and if
you think anything else is your naive..ITS ALWAYS ABOUT THE DOUGH..ALWAYS
In a way you are right - everyone has their price. Teams like the Browns, Raiders, etc will have to over pay to get guys to come to their teams for years to come until (if ever) they are consistent winners again.
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The way the article is described, it seems like kokins is not the problem, but someone else is.
The way the article is described, it seems like kokins is not the problem, but someone else is.
All it says is the Browns didn't work well inside the building and hadn't smoothed out who was going to pick players..
It doesn't seem to indicate anything other than there was dysfunction in the process in which the Browns went in to free agency.
The problem could be Lerner in the way it was set up. Could be mangini not wanting to work with Kok...or it could be Kok in that he was bringing in guys nobody else wanted.
It' pobably a combination of all of the above.
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I can tell ya how the agents feel about dealing with the browns management now after the quinn and cribbs debacle's...millions all up front ,no breaks ,no escalators..thanks you fat pos...we can only hope the next GM can fix the gap between agents and the browns.
Im going to assume koko just gave up trying to get things done right with mangini doing whatever he wanted...and lerner got sick of hearing koko whining about it instead of using his GM authority..but the man part of mankok is the one that needed to go at the same time...
So lerners logic...we give a coach that koko and the fans hate at least year...but we get rid of the GM before the bye week...and people wonder why we suck...hopefully the new GM will send secret agent fatswell smart out the door soon..
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I understand that one has to move fast on these things, but if someone slowed a decision on the signing they only missed the target by 3 hours! Is 3 hours of this FA's wasted time (during these guys' first offseason together) enough to make every FA decide we are the 3 stooges?
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Metcalf_FTW said:
So who was the FA?Jabari Greer, a cornerback who signed with the Saints after visiting Cleveland. The comment about the player having a great Week 8 cinches it; Greer had a pick six against the Falcons.
Jabari Greer, a cornerback who signed with the Saints after visiting Cleveland. The comment about the player having a great Week 8 cinches it; Greer had a pick six against the Falcons.
That's a guess but it's certainly possible.
I don't think that this article says anything about anyone specifically so being able to say who is at fault is unreasonable. If George Kokinis promised things then it's up to George Kokinis to deliver them. How do you know the hold up is on Mangini's end? Maybe the team doctor was tied up and couldn't sign off on the guy or maybe they wanted the owner's blessing and he's watching soccer.
It's an indictment on the organization as a whole but perhaps that's going to be improved with a new GM who'll actually pick up his telephone.
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Formerly Stone said:
It may not be that bleak. If the Browns hire a big name GM and establish a long term plan which free agents, and their agents, respect and buy in to; they could start landing top FA's by as soon as next season. The problem is that there is a snowball's chance in hell of Lerner building this respect.He certainly won't get it this year even if he does clean house. He's going to have to overpay but in an uncapped year, that might not be too hard to do.
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Formerly Stone said:
It's not that simple. Let's say a FA and his agent have a target of $5M and the Raiders or the Browns are willing to pay 10% more, or $5.5M.1. Nobody WANTS to play for a dysfunctional organization
2. The dysfunctional organization may mis-handle the player to the point that he loses opportunities to excel!
3. The dysfunctional organization may mis-handle the player to the point that he loses endorsements!
4. When all the negotiating and signing is done, and they step on the field on Sunday, these kids want to win!
No one can disagree with #1. Endorsements? What percentage of NFL players have endorsements and how many are in Cleveland? I would argue #3 and say that most "top" FAs figure they're going to make the team around them better (debatable). I would argue a bit with #4. These kids "want to win" but "wanting to win" and "doing what it takes to win" are two different things. Close to 100% want to win but a number far smaller than that will actually commit to doing what's needed to achieve it. On rare occasion, you have guys to whom winning is secondary. They want the money or the lifestyle above all else.
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Braylon is a heartbeat from Madison Ave..how many endorsements he tendering?.I'll answer that..NONE..He's is not a person who anyone wants endorsing their products..OL or DL , which is where you win and lose..those guys don't get endorsement bucks..It's about the guarenteed MONEY..thats all..NFL careers are short, all those guys are looking for the money and will go wherever it is..period.
Agents get a % of that contract..ITS ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY..ALWAYS
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN I DON"T HAVE ENDORSEMENTS?
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