The Worst Coaching Hire Ever?
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What exactly has Mangini done?.I swear do you people not know this team SUCKED last year and for most of the previous 10 years..Mangini's fault..what a load of BS...Savage,Policy, Butch..ya got some pretty good candidates for the previous 10 years..Mangini,,no way
He took over a roster that was so sub standard by NFL terms it was pathetic..He cut or released 50% of the team!!you really can't do much more..Brought in some defensive help from the Jets..The defense has played much better, but those guys were for depth and to replace the pile of turd that SAVAGE left..
There is no formula for instant success..it takes time
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
We had a tougher schedule because of the in-division games and because of our fluke of a season in 07, but by no means can we say we had the toughest schedule in the NFL last season. There's fanbole for you!
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the problem and tough part is, Mangini does some things well....(drafting, rebuilding, i'm even with him a bit on the discipline thing)... but those things you point out are GLARING negatives as well.
could we bring someone in to be more of a face/voice to connect with fans or the media? maybe. would they off set some of the Mange's negatives? who knows?
it's a crap shoot.
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the problem and tough part is, Mangini does some things well....(drafting, rebuilding, i'm even with him a bit on the discipline thing)... but those things you point out are GLARING negatives as well.
could we bring someone in to be more of a face/voice to connect with fans or the media? maybe. would they off set some of the Mange's negatives? who knows?
it's a crap shoot.
the problem and tough part is, Mangini does some things well....(drafting, rebuilding, i'm even with him a bit on the discipline thing)... but those things you point out are GLARING negatives as well.
could we bring someone in to be more of a face/voice to connect with fans or the media? maybe. would they off set some of the Mange's negatives? who knows?
it's a crap shoot.
mangini drafts well? dabrickishaw ferguson (the best name ever by the way), vernon gholston, ricky mcintosh, kellen clemens, and jon beason? yeah, those guys are studs.
once a fan, always a fan. married to a steeler fan. aaaaaaaaah! --andy -
What exactly has Mangini done?.I swear do you people not know this team SUCKED last year and for most of the previous 10 years..Mangini's fault..what a load of BS...Savage,Policy, Butch..ya got some pretty good candidates for the previous 10 years..Mangini,,no way
He took over a roster that was so sub standard by NFL terms it was pathetic..He cut or released 50% of the team!!you really can't do much more..Brought in some defensive help from the Jets..The defense has played much better, but those guys were for depth and to replace the pile of turd that SAVAGE left..
There is no formula for instant success..it takes time
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
Was just about to post something like this.
I think Peterbell is right that we need to give him some time but that ship is sinking fast... especially if we get blown out Monday night.
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I can't imagine what it would be like to be Mangini today. Hated by everyone. East Coast Media, Local Media, Jets Fans, Pats fans, his own fans. The guy for the past week has shown incredible fortitude in his press conferences, steady and on message. The guy has guts, and like that quote from Kris Jenkins said, he doesn't cave in to media or fan pressure, just continues to do things his way. One thing he has done in one year is rid the team of overpaid mediocre (or worse) players (bye Corey Williams and Steinbach unless he restructures) which will give him or whoever is coach the chance to build a TEAM from the ground up.
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the problem and tough part is, Mangini does some things well....(drafting, rebuilding, i'm even with him a bit on the discipline thing)... but those things you point out are GLARING negatives as well.
could we bring someone in to be more of a face/voice to connect with fans or the media? maybe. would they off set some of the Mange's negatives? who knows?
it's a crap shoot.
mangini drafts well? dabrickishaw ferguson (the best name ever by the way), vernon gholston, ricky mcintosh, kellen clemens, and jon beason? yeah, those guys are studs.
mangini drafts well? dabrickishaw ferguson (the best name ever by the way), vernon gholston, ricky mcintosh, kellen clemens, and jon beason? yeah, those guys are studs.
touche. but on the other hand....(via Peter Bell in the other thread)
i'm sure there will be balanced drafting to help fit the MANY needs, but its an excellent starting point
to bring in some fresh faces..Mangini in New York
DRAFT PICKS
Revis
Mangold
Washington
Harris
Ferguson
FREE AGENTS
Jenkins
Pace
Favre
Faneca
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and i didn't even mean drafting, so much as "getting lots of draft picks"
and our draft wasn't terrible this year. Was it sexy? no.
managed well? Sure.
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I can't imagine what it would be like to be Mangini today. Hated by everyone. East Coast Media, Local Media, Jets Fans, Pats fans, his own fans. The guy for the past week has shown incredible fortitude in his press conferences, steady and on message. The guy has guts, and like that quote from Kris Jenkins said, he doesn't cave in to media or fan pressure, just continues to do things his way. One thing he has done in one year is rid the team of overpaid mediocre (or worse) players (bye Corey Williams and Steinbach unless he restructures) which will give him or whoever is coach the chance to build a TEAM from the ground up.
I can't imagine what it would be like to be Mangini today. Hated by everyone. East Coast Media, Local Media, Jets Fans, Pats fans, his own fans. The guy for the past week has shown incredible fortitude in his press conferences.
Boo hoo, he brought this on himself. Many, many former players have said what a douche he is. Incredible fortitude in his press conferences!!! Get a first down and then we'll talk press conferences.
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I can't imagine what it would be like to be Mangini today. Hated by everyone. East Coast Media, Local Media, Jets Fans, Pats fans, his own fans. The guy for the past week has shown incredible fortitude in his press conferences, steady and on message. The guy has guts, and like that quote from Kris Jenkins said, he doesn't cave in to media or fan pressure, just continues to do things his way. One thing he has done in one year is rid the team of overpaid mediocre (or worse) players (bye Corey Williams and Steinbach unless he restructures) which will give him or whoever is coach the chance to build a TEAM from the ground up.
I can't imagine what it would be like to be Mangini today. Hated by everyone. East Coast Media, Local Media, Jets Fans, Pats fans, his own fans. The guy for the past week has shown incredible fortitude in his press conferences, steady and on message. The guy has guts, and like that quote from Kris Jenkins said, he doesn't cave in to media or fan pressure, just continues to do things his way. One thing he has done in one year is rid the team of overpaid mediocre (or worse) players (bye Corey Williams and Steinbach unless he restructures) which will give him or whoever is coach the chance to build a TEAM from the ground up.
so how is today different than any other day for mangini? how is it different than any day in new york?
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someone just needs to ask him in a press confrence: "are you a pompus douche with no personality and people skills, or do you actually know what you're doing? Answer the question."
then we'll know.
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someone just needs to ask him in a press confrence: "are you a pompus douche with no personality and people skills, or do you actually know what you're doing? Answer the question."
then we'll know.
someone just needs to ask him in a press confrence: "are you a pompus douche with no personality and people skills, or do you actually know what you're doing? Answer the question."
then we'll know.
yes to both.
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that's what makes it tough.
we could hire a bunch of people that would only be a yes to one.
we're screwed.
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I can't imagine what it would be like to be Mangini today. Hated by everyone. East Coast Media, Local Media, Jets Fans, Pats fans, his own fans. The guy for the past week has shown incredible fortitude in his press conferences, steady and on message. The guy has guts, and like that quote from Kris Jenkins said, he doesn't cave in to media or fan pressure, just continues to do things his way. One thing he has done in one year is rid the team of overpaid mediocre (or worse) players (bye Corey Williams and Steinbach unless he restructures) which will give him or whoever is coach the chance to build a TEAM from the ground up.
so how is today different than any other day for mangini? how is it different than any day in new york?
so how is today different than any other day for mangini? how is it different than any day in new york?
It's different because his friend who was GM of the team was released or whatever, and the media/fan world is assuming Mangini threw him under the bus.
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What exactly has Mangini done?.I swear do you people not know this team SUCKED last year and for most of the previous 10 years..Mangini's fault..what a load of BS...Savage,Policy, Butch..ya got some pretty good candidates for the previous 10 years..Mangini,,no way
He took over a roster that was so sub standard by NFL terms it was pathetic..He cut or released 50% of the team!!you really can't do much more..Brought in some defensive help from the Jets..The defense has played much better, but those guys were for depth and to replace the pile of turd that SAVAGE left..
There is no formula for instant success..it takes time
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
Oh by the way ..OWNED
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it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
Oh by the way ..OWNED
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
Oh by the way ..OWNED
Peter, are you really Eric Mangini or one of his "friends?" Watch out for the bus that ran over his last friend!
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No..I'm neither..I'm just going by the facts..not what the media is telling me to believe
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so how is today different than any other day for mangini? how is it different than any day in new york?
It's different because his friend who was GM of the team was released or whatever, and the media/fan world is assuming Mangini threw him under the bus.
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Everyone is missing the point. He shouldn't of been hired in the first place.
Mangini or KoK? ro both?
but yes... that is a fairly darn good point.
but what can we do about it now?
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it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
Oh by the way ..OWNED
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
Oh by the way ..OWNED
What a douche bag. Blow Mangini on your own time.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
Everyone is missing the point. He shouldn't of been hired in the first place.
Mangini or KoK? ro both?
but yes... that is a fairly darn good point.
but what can we do about it now?
Mangini or KoK? ro both?
but yes... that is a fairly darn good point.
but what can we do about it now?
Lerner needs to let Mangini finish the season, be a man, admit he was wrong and start over. Walk 50 million in unmarked bills down to North Carolina and set it on Cowher's door step.
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