The Worst Coaching Hire Ever?
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Everyone is missing the point. He shouldn't of been hired in the first place.
Mangini or KoK? ro both?
but yes... that is a fairly darn good point.
but what can we do about it now?
Mangini or KoK? ro both?
but yes... that is a fairly darn good point.
but what can we do about it now?
Lerner needs to let Mangini finish the season, be a man, admit he was wrong and start over. Walk 50 million in unmarked bills down to North Carolina and set it on Cowher's door step.
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it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
Oh by the way ..OWNED
What a douche bag. Blow Mangini on your own time.
What a douche bag. Blow Mangini on your own time.
OHH..THERE'S A LOGICAL ARGUEMENT
argue the points I made Mensa member, as opposed to tough guy name calling over the internet.
So lets see.. You can argue against Mangini but I can't argue for Mangini...whos the douche bag?
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it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
Oh by the way ..OWNED
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
Oh by the way ..OWNED
Owned my ass. You can't know that agent's aren't telling their clients not to go here, but who in their right mind would? You've got a tyrant for a coach, a fool of an owner, and an embarassment of a franchise, coming to Cleveland right now very well could be career suicide. Faneca and Favre both went to a place that was the immediate fit for them, Fancea for the money, and Favre as a place to play period. That was before the Jets imploded down the stretch last year, and the mangenius was shown for the fool he truly is. Had he never been on the Sopranos, half the country wouldn't have known who this clown was. There have been plenty of examples of friction with the guy: the players fined for water and parking spaces, the players on that bus trip (call it a non-story all you want, I guarantee there was discontent from someone over that, Brady Quinn for getting the shaft so fast, Derek Anderson for not getting enough time to practice in the preaseason if Quinn was just an appeasement move, the whole offense for not knowing who the hell is going to be taking the snaps and throwing to them each week, how about Big Baby? I personally would like a concerete plan announced to the media, what real effort is being undertaken instead of we're rebuilding and adjusting (that's just tough-sounding Romeo we're trying hard), who is the real QB, and enough of this secrecy about everything. The only point I'll concede is that you can defend him, but I can call you a dumbass for doing so. God Bless America
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it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
Oh by the way ..OWNED
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
What do they have to do with the Browns? No one is comparing.
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
Everyone agrees they both suck. QB rating of 35! Try something else. Oh and it's you're, Retard.
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
Yea that was the Jets. The Browns is a whole different situation. HE GOT FIRED. If you got fired from your fast food technician position for smoking meth would they hire you back? No way.
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
The QB missile key codes.
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
Did you see the play when Anderson tripped over his own feet? At this point it's who will embarrass us less and it's BQ. DA looked like he was going to cry last week.
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
James Davis loves him. The dude who got fined $1700 for a bottle of water love him. Sedric Steptoe loves him. And that is only 1/2 through the season. That is why he brought in those players from the Jets. Those players probably liked him, out of the 52 men 6 players liked him. So bring in marginal players just because they like you. What an ego.
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
LOL, in the final 5 games of the season opponents scored 122 points on the Jets. Coming from behind in the NFL is a bitch. His whole team quit on him.
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
Alright Toby Keith
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
I'll see you back in December on this one.
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it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing. we are 8 games into the season and the saints defense has more touchdowns than our offense. out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35. agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini. aside from our 1 win and the cinci game, we haven't been competitive in a any games. he is still refusing to announce anything to the media and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles. he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time, if not ever for some of them. mangini is a class a jerk who had no success and shouldn't have been hired. nobody should be defending him. he took a 4-12 with the toughest schedule in football and turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team with an easier schedule. he is atrocious and needs to go.
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
Oh by the way ..OWNED
it's not that he's losing, we've had that before. it's how he is losing
Losing the way Redskins, St Louis or Oakland is better
out of 32 teams, da's qb rating is 35
So your a Brady Quinn fan obviously
it doesn't matter. da is horrible and should be benched. the fact that he may still start is a testament of how dumb mangini is.
agents are telling their clients not to sign with us because of mangini.
Thats not true and show me proof..thats what was said in NY but Pace,Fenaca,Jenkins and Favre would differ on that
yeah, that happened in new york not here genius: and they did it for the money. look at the articles from a month ago or so.
he is still refusing to announce anything to the media
What would you like him to announce to the media?
who the starting qb will be. has he not already showed that doing this is pointless?
and is treating our qb situation like the launch codes to missiles.
Neither QB is playing well,again, so you want to go back to BQ?
i want him to say who is the starting qb is going to be. he is not saying who it will be because he doesn't want to answer questions on the matter. he is a coward.
he is pissing everyone off and nobody likes playing for him
Please provide quotes from players who don't like playing for him
what about the players who he fined and pissed off. i don't have quotes but there is plenty of evidence. how about the fact that the team completely took off the second half of the denver game. only a select few didn't quit.
all of these things are something that cleveland hasn't faced for a very long time
Cleveland has not been good for 10 years before EM
yeah but this bad? not even being competitive in most games? hell we were more competitive in our first year back than we are now.
who had no success and shouldn't have been hired
He made the playoffs his first year in NY and would have last year if Brett didn't shit the bed
yes but he did this with the team that herm edwards built it was with an easy schedule. he should have taken control when favre was erratic and either benched him or tell him not to pass it. it's that simple.
mangini is a class a jerk
You know him personally to call him a jerk?
throwing your "friend" under the bus doesn't make you a jerk. not answering questions because you know you're wrong doesn't make you a jerk? allowing rookies to face off without pads against guys who are wearing pads doesn't make you a jerk? fining guys for something small doesn't make you a jerk?
nobody should be defending him.
I can defend anyone I wish.. buddy! This is still America,yes?
yes, and thank our men and women in the armed forces for that.
turned them into a 1-15 or 2-14 team
4-12 is a fact..1 and 15 is not
ok well then let's just wait for the end of the season when we win 1 or 2 more games and you're nowhere to be seen.
with an easier schedule
What is the winning % of teams the Browns have played.?.almost 70%..look it up
true, but let's see how we do against the remaining schedule. we'll talk more then assuming you are still around and don't run away with your tail between your legs: which you will.
he is atrocious
Your failure to capitalize the start of sentences is atrocious..but your spelling is quite good!!
thanks for the input, but as a a**hole once said: This is still America,yes?
I'm figuring your somewhere between 14 and 18 yrs old..I dig the passion
23 actually and nice grammar! it's "you're" genius.
Oh by the way ..OWNED
guessing by the way everyone else is ripping your post apart i would have to say that i am not the one owned. would you like to guess the person who is owned though? i'll give you a hint: it's the guy who wanted to put the name "ilovepeterandballs" but settled for a shorter name.
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The QB missile key codes.
priceless
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like i said in the other thread:
Jerry Springer.
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Ray Handley and Rich Kotite were the two worst ever. Dennis Erickson anyone?? Sorry Browns fans. The self-pity and loathing ends here. It's a tired approach. Mangini has made some mistakes but he's shown he can coach in this league. If you look at quality wins over quality coaches... He won against Belicheck, Fisher and Cowher so your supposition that he's the worst coach ever is unlikely. In a slump? I'll buy that. Trying to work with shit players? Sure. Worst coach ever? No.
BTW Elam was the one fined and yes, he still loves EM. Davis had better love EM because the NFL said EM did nothing wrong. That's what happens when you take ESPN's word on everything.
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“Mangini’s first camp, really, his first couple seasons is just him getting a feel for guys. The thing about Mangini is he wants to find out which players are with him, which guys are about his philosophy. His camp is about pushing, breaking guys down to their lowest point, then pushing you further. That’s how Mangini weeds guys out. He wants to find his core guys, then build his team around his guys.” - Laveranues Coles on Eric Mangini
So he's trying to weed out players on a team that HAS NO PLAYERS. It's ManGenius.
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all you guys that are anti-mangini's building process
A- what do you suggest (please something more intelligent and involved than "start Quinn")
B- what would you do in his position?
it's easy to throw stones. got anything constructive? any ideas of your own?
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Ray Handley and Rich Kotite were the two worst ever. Dennis Erickson anyone?? Sorry Browns fans. The self-pity and loathing ends here. It's a tired approach. Mangini has made some mistakes but he's shown he can coach in this league. If you look at quality wins over quality coaches... He won against Belicheck, Fisher and Cowher so your supposition that he's the worst coach ever is unlikely. In a slump? I'll buy that. Trying to work with shit players? Sure. Worst coach ever? No.
BTW Elam was the one fined and yes, he still loves EM. Davis had better love EM because the NFL said EM did nothing wrong. That's what happens when you take ESPN's word on everything.
Ray Handley and Rich Kotite were the two worst ever. Dennis Erickson anyone?? Sorry Browns fans. The self-pity and loathing ends here. It's a tired approach. Mangini has made some mistakes but he's shown he can coach in this league. If you look at quality wins over quality coaches... He won against Belicheck, Fisher and Cowher so your supposition that he's the worst coach ever is unlikely. In a slump? I'll buy that. Trying to work with shit players? Sure. Worst coach ever? No.
BTW Elam was the one fined and yes, he still loves EM. Davis had better love EM because the NFL said EM did nothing wrong. That's what happens when you take ESPN's word on everything.
Not the worst coach ever, the worst hire ever. Many things come into play.
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all you guys that are anti-mangini's building process
A- what do you suggest (please something more intelligent and involved than "start Quinn")
B- what would you do in his position?
it's easy to throw stones. got anything constructive? any ideas of your own?
all you guys that are anti-mangini's building process
A- what do you suggest (please something more intelligent and involved than "start Quinn")
B- what would you do in his position?
it's easy to throw stones. got anything constructive? any ideas of your own?
I mentioned it before. They need a GM with some balls. One who played the game. Mangini needs to focus on coaching. Look at the mistakes we made on the field. Look at the players quitting on him. That is 100% on Mangini, he can't blame anyone else for that this time.
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Im still giving mangini the rest of the season, but his mid term grade is incomplete. I cant even give him a grade while he still shows signs that he doesn't have any control over this team.
Usually by now most teams take on the same attitude and persona of their head coach. And if that is the case we are in trouble with Mangini.
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Im still giving mangini the rest of the season, but his mid term grade is incomplete. I cant even give him a grade while he still shows signs that he doesn't have any control over this team.
Usually by now most teams take on the same attitude and persona of their head coach. And if that is the case we are in trouble with Mangini.
Im still giving mangini the rest of the season, but his mid term grade is incomplete. I cant even give him a grade while he still shows signs that he doesn't have any control over this team.
Usually by now most teams take on the same attitude and persona of their head coach. And if that is the case we are in trouble with Mangini.
we're vanilla, vague and passive.
i'd say we've done a great job of emulating the coach.
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all you guys that are anti-mangini's building process
A- what do you suggest (please something more intelligent and involved than "start Quinn")
B- what would you do in his position?
it's easy to throw stones. got anything constructive? any ideas of your own?
all you guys that are anti-mangini's building process
A- what do you suggest (please something more intelligent and involved than "start Quinn")
B- what would you do in his position?
it's easy to throw stones. got anything constructive? any ideas of your own?
good post. i would start by explaining what the building process was exactly because right now it looks like this: get rid of play makers, bring in has-beens and never-weres, draft a bunch a rookies and never play them so they can't get experience and make sure that all the players who are on this team hate me. also it would be nice to admit that i think nothing of team chemistry unless my idea of chemistry was have the players come together by sharing one idea: i am an idiot and everyone hates me.
then i would say why i went against my word and benched brady after saying that i would stick with my decision after making it. i would then explain what i was thinking when i left da in after his repeated failures at qb.
i would admit that i took too much control of the team and part of the blame is certainly on me, but not all of it. kokinas certainly did have some say, but not a whole lot. it's not my fault that lerner is a moron who gave me so much power to begin with also.
unfortunately none of this has happened or will happen. mangini is too pompous to admit any of this let alone take blame for something. he would be a great politician.
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you forgot to mention that he's fat and boring.
and did he bring on Daboll?
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you forgot to mention that he's fat and boring.
and did he bring on Daboll?
you forgot to mention that he's fat and boring.
and did he bring on Daboll?
wow, how could i forgot that. how could i be so senseless?
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personally, i think the OC needs canned before next season.
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personally, i think the OC needs canned before next season.
personally, i think the OC needs canned before next season.
how about next hour?
once a fan, always a fan. married to a steeler fan. aaaaaaaaah! --andy
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