RAC isnt getting fired
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RAC was the sharpest he's ever been on Monday night and the calls he made were spot on:
-He made the right decision in letting on-fire Phil punch in a long one.
-His use of timeouts (thanks for not burning those up Brady) at the end of the game was exactly the right thing to do.
Sorry, I'm new here, but I have to take issue with your analysis.
The browns have a first down on the bills 39 with 1:50 (approx) on the clock - the browns have all three of their timeouts left and the bills just one. Unlike most of the other series in the game, THIS WAS THE TIME TO RUN THE BALL. Yet 3 somewhat reckless pass plays were called. We gained 0 yards and took only 15 seconds off the clock. And we didn't force the bills to use that lone timeout.
We won in spite of the coaching, not because of it.
Sorry, I'm new here, but I have to take issue with your analysis.
The browns have a first down on the bills 39 with 1:50 (approx) on the clock - the browns have all three of their timeouts left and the bills just one. Unlike most of the other series in the game, THIS WAS THE TIME TO RUN THE BALL. Yet 3 somewhat reckless pass plays were called. We gained 0 yards and took only 15 seconds off the clock. And we didn't force the bills to use that lone timeout.
We won in spite of the coaching, not because of it.
I am not a huge fan of Romeo's decision-making however I can't really blame him for not running the ball in that particular situation. Since we were at the edge of Dawson's range, he was trying to get us closer instead of just running down the clock. It was nice to see him show some confidence in our offense and be aggressive for a change. If we had either been closer or if Jamal was having more success running it then I could understand that reasoning.
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my gut feeling that IF the win loss scenario plays out as Tupa projects not a whole lot will change. However if we only win 5 games I think we might see Lerner step in and fire Rac. That would set off a major chain of events on DC and OC positions. Like the Quinn/DA situation I think everything at this stage is very fluid and suceptable to any number of variables.
my gut feeling that IF the win loss scenario plays out as Tupa projects not a whole lot will change. However if we only win 5 games I think we might see Lerner step in and fire Rac. That would set off a major chain of events on DC and OC positions. Like the Quinn/DA situation I think everything at this stage is very fluid and suceptable to any number of variables.
Man, that would be bad, IMO. That means another year of bad coaching and probably another year of 7-9. I'm finding that tough to get excited about.
I really hope going 7-9 isn't how they define 'success'.
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I have been on the dump RAC bandwagon especially after watching the Ravens-Broncos debacles. If there is a decision by Lerner et all to keep RAC, my arm chair guess is the following record the Browns need to achieve:
8-8
9-7
10-6
If RAC is fired with a even or winining record much hue and cry will put forth from the local and national media. Lerner will look foolish. I do think Mel "Drive-In" Tucker likely stays on. They share a few donuts during early morning game film watching every Monday. Upgrades will be made in the obivious places on defense. That said, Browns could have a much softer schedule next year.
My ten cents worth of analysis
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Changing the coach does not mean rebuilding.
RAC is gone baby gone.
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Im sorry i cant follow your assumption...ROMEO MUST GO!
And most the garbage coaches beneath him!
Even if we win the rest of this seasons games romeo still must go the fact is that this group for 4 years now has failed to properly evaluate talent or even prepare/train/teach/coach our players for regular season play its a pattern many of us would find unacceptable even at the jr. highschool level lerner and savage need to do something they have never considered or more likely they cant convince one to come to this nansy panzy organization ...a known and proven winner instead of trying to bring a DC/OC in because they are about as good at choosing a Head coach as romeo crennel is at evaluating and preparing to his players talents and strenths..
Are we a friggin football team or a bank?
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RAC is gone. He's a defensive coach who's had one of the worst defenses in the league year in and year out. Something's gotta change.
RAC is gone. He's a defensive coach who's had one of the worst defenses in the league year in and year out. Something's gotta change.
Remember how Billick was an offensive genius that couldn't run an offense?
Yeah, it's kind of like that.
But RAC isn't winning a Super Bowl with an explosive offense.
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Didn't we fire Marty for not going far enough in the playoffs. I may have been in favor of that at the time! I'll never understand his coaching career. Weird.
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Didn't we fire Marty for not going far enough in the playoffs. I may have been in favor of that at the time! I'll never understand his coaching career. Weird.
Didn't we fire Marty for not going far enough in the playoffs. I may have been in favor of that at the time! I'll never understand his coaching career. Weird.
No, Modell fired Marty because of a disagreement.
WE (the fans) weren't calling for Marty's head (well most of us).
It was frustrating to loose in the playoffs, but I think most of us had the vision that our time would come.
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@jadbf said:
I believe he fired marty because marty wouldn't bring an OC in.Yeah, Marty's brother.
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Assuming Romeo stay, what needs to be done IMO:
1.In the first round I draft a pass rusher either a defensive lineman or a LB.
2. In the second round I draft a pass rusher.
3. In the third round I draft a pass rusher.
4. In the fourth,fifith, etc. see the above.
5. In free agency I go after pass rushers.
I am of the opinion that Wright and McDonald are not that bad especially Wright. The total lack of a pass
rush exposes them. When you have a MINIMUM of two men blocking Shaun Rogers and you can't mount a
pass rush you could have Willie Brown or any other HOF corner and he will get beat at times. Add to that the
slowness of our LBs and you have a major problem. Add to that the inability of our LBs to tackle and you have
more that major problems. When a man is in his 15th season (McGinest) and he is your best LB there is no
hope. The LBs are so slow they can not even get into their drop zones. It's one thing if they could stop the run,
then at least the DBs could play the pass but we can't so they have to support the run also.
The offense looks O.K. for now. Lewis appears to be slowing a little but can probably squeak out a couple of
more years if he gets a blow more often.(Hint here to Romeo-- PLAY HARRISON MORE). You can tweak the
offense but the defense needs a major overhaul.
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@jadbf said:
I believe he fired marty because marty wouldn't bring an OC in.Yeah, Marty's brother.
Yeah, Marty's brother.
Sort of. Kurt isn't an offense coach.
Art told Marty he needed more help on offense. He wanted Marty to hire an OC. Marty told Art he didn't need more help and that he wasn't going to hire one. Art told Marty that the last time he looked, he was still the owner of the team and that Marty was going to hire one. Pighead Marty said no, and that was that.
Any (supposed) leader that turns down help from his boss when his boss is trying to help him is not only goofy, but probably a psycho too. Art did the right thing. At the time, the fans were pretty split about the situation.
The story is that Art wanted Marty to get rid of Kurt too. Probably true. Art hated losing.
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The only decision that has been made about Crennell is that he will coach one more game.
The Browns FO doesn't have a clue. Had Andersen not come out of the box firing on all cyhlinders, Quinn would have been the QB his first year.
The Borwns will fire Crennell when it suits them, and it has more to do with emotion than it does performance. 7 - 9 by itself is no indicator. For instance, if the Browns go 5 -11, but manage to get #5 in Hienz dump, Crennel wont get fired. Conversely if we win Sunday then finish 5 - 11, Romeo will be gone.
Sewage is a jagoff, he doesn' t know day-to-day what his "philosophy" is.
He uses his position to cover his ass, That's what he does.
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I disagree Tom....I think the decision has already been made on Romeo....all of these changes aren't because of Romeo, they are directives from above.
I disagree Tom....I think the decision has already been made on Romeo....all of these changes aren't because of Romeo, they are directives from above.
Not to bust your chops Ballpeen but HOW are you certain what is done from above and what is done from the Head Coach?
I REALLY like to know who's decision it is to give Lewis 97% of the carries when he looks washed up this year. LAST year, Lewis wanted to prove Baltimore wrong and he showed up to camp 15 pounds lighter than usual. He had some giddyup to go with his quest. This year Lewis gets a FAT contract (meaning he already proved what he needed to prove) and we're suddenly seeing the SAME guy Baltimore grew unhappy with.
I get sort of curious why I keep seeing the refrain from Harrison as I keep remembering Savage committed to Lewis this offseason. My question is which of the 2 RBs looks MORE committed to the Browns right now? I know Lewis is calling teammates out while Harrison hasn't had to. Now it's easy for me to say it's ALL RAC keeping Harrison seated on game day but the REALITY is it wasn't RAC that just gave Lewis the nice contract. If your boss at work has an objective he/she wants to be commit to - can you just say you'd rather work other objectives because they make you look better? Marty Schottenheimer got fired just like Lane Kiffen did for not following the boss' objectives.
ALOT of people that don't like RAC insinuate 100% of the crappy decisions are his. I've caught myself doing that when I got frustrated. If the decision to continue running Lewis into a cement wall on quick sand is from above - maybe we're looking at the reason RAC can't be as successful for THIS Supervisor as he was for Bill Belichick as his Supervisor. I'm looking at a 3-4 that doesn't have many ILBers that LIKE to tackle people so again if those personnel decisions are from above - HOW can the Head Coach be successful? We got ILBers that couldn't start for Cincy.
Guys like Ray Lewis, Pat Willis, Zach Thomas, Brian Urlacher, Cornelius Bennett, Clay matthews, Lawrence Taylor, Pepper Johnson, Chris Speilman didn't NEED to be coached into who they became. They were blessed with instinct, intelligence and winning first steps. D'Qwell Jackson isn't disappointing because of WHO coaches him right now - he's disappointing because our personnel dept overrated him. Now he's gonna KEEP starting because there's an ego attached to 2nd round draft picks. Andra Davis got a big raise from Phil 2 years ago so even though Leon Williams looked like our most promising ILBer in 2007 - what 2 guys started vrs Buffalo inside? Chaun Thompson got walking papers and he runs 4.5s and is a chiseled 260 pounds. Maybe if we kept him and moved him inside - we wouldn't have to blitz our DBs from the outside all the time. I watched little Ray Rice put Jackson on his back on an X-stunt where the oline was cleared out. he wasn't the first scat back to do this to him either. Do you think Ray Lewis gets put on his back on the same play by Ray Rice? Hell no!
I'm not THRILLED with RAC at all BUT I think there's more handcuffing going on than people think. I totally understand impatience with RAC but when BB was his Supervisor - he didn't have ANY trouble getting good performance from the players he was told to make work. One of those years they lost their starting corners heading into the playoffs and they ended up winning the Superbowl. I ralso emembered Savage saying we didn't have a suitable replacement for Dennis Northcutt on our STs when we would later learn we actually had an All Pro upgrade in Cribbs. That said, BEFORE he was coached up - he couldn't even field a punt because he misjudged 2 in a game he filled in for an injured Northcutt. Somebody coached him up pretty good and fast on the special teams. Dawson continues to improve as he's won quite a few games in the last 2 years with field goals over 50 yards.
I'm all for changing Head Coaches if we can hire the RIGHT guy for once. Is that guy out there without a job right now? I remembered one of our message board legends Fatdaddy was THE most excited fan on our board the day we hired Butch Davis and he couldn't understand WHY I said I don't think the Head Coach is the disease - he's just 1 symptom. Well, Butch Davis turned 5-27 football into competitive football immediately. Our Defense led the AFC in INTs in 2001 and then we made the playoffs in 2002. Butch's downfall was thinking he could be GM and Head Coach so again it didn't work. And guess who became his biggest critic? Fatdaddy. There we were 1 more time thinking the only thing wrong is Head Coach. Was I the ONLY Browns' fan that thought Carmen Policy STUNK and deserved some degree of accountability? Our porcelain franchise pillars were Tim Couch and Courtney Brown while we chose Scott Milanovich OVER Kurt Warner in the expansion draft and Spergon Wynn over Tom Brady in round 6. Butch choosing Warren over Tomlinson was brutal too. Butch NEVER sought out the Browns - they came knocking and begging for him to leave the college football paradise he created from the depths of probation to resurrect the Browns.
My BIGGEST hope is Savage can find the right Head Coach and it becomes a GM-Head Coach tagteam like Buffalo had, Indy has, Denver has had, NE has, Miami seems to have, Pittsburgh has. It's just not right when we were being sentenced to DA knowing Quinn is better. Now we're being sentenced to Lewis when Harrison seems far better. This kind of stuff means the Head Coach and GM are disconnected. I mean what took so FREAKIN took so long to yank Dumb Ass from the starting lineup? My second biggest hope is we can FIND some LBers for this team.
- Tom F.
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@jadbf said:
I believe he fired marty because marty wouldn't bring an OC in.Exactly JADBF!
We lost a MNF game by less than a FG to Houston; because Marty trying to work as an OC was disorganized and the time expired on us without kicking a chip shot FG before half in a game we lost by 1 or 2 points. Modell told him, HIRE an OC. Marty replied that he wanted to KEEP Lindy Infante's system that the players all bought into and had experience with. This part is hearsay so correct it if necessary but Marty said I'll elevate my brother Kurt from STs coach to OC. Modell thought this was nothing more than Marty KEEPING the OC position so the frustration grew to this: "Hire an OC or take a hike. "
BOTH sides had a legit arguement. I think Marty was a little stubborn because how difficult would it have been to hire an OC to run Lindy's system if he KEPT the freakin playbook? That same stubbornness and unwillingness to workj with his boss in SD did him in again. In order for Marty to GET the absolute control he wanted - he needed to win it ALL before he could enjoy such a luxury. That said, there's been some REALLY GOOD Head Coaches that were unable to excell in a dual role of Head Coach and GM. Mike Holmgren and how about Tom Coughlin in Jax?
- Tom F. (I MISS Lindy infante's innovation then again you gotta have a Kosar, Mack and Byner to pull off such a thing)
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Not to bust your chops Ballpeen but HOW are you certain what is done from above and what is done from the Head Coach?
Because I know all....you don't know that?? LOL
So, you think Savage and or Lerner are telling Romeo to not play Harrison??
I don't know what to say...
I will stick to my assessment that Romeo was told to start Quinn and start playing some of the others.
A cold started to nail me to the wall yesterday, and has me pinned this morning, so the mind isn't ready to wrap around anything too in depth, so I will have to get back with you in a day or two when I can put together more than a few lines in reply.
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I say If we finish 9-7 and less..You fire the guy because...Youre going backwards...not forward...Its simple logic...Me personally...I didnt like the hiring of RAC from the start,.,,I think all we did was waste time with this dufus...god bring someone in here with a damn clue!
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I say If we finish 9-7 and less..You fire the guy because...Youre going backwards...not forward...Its simple logic...Me personally...I didnt like the hiring of RAC from the start,.,,I think all we did was waste time with this dufus...god bring someone in here with a damn clue!
I say If we finish 9-7 and less..You fire the guy because...Youre going backwards...not forward...Its simple logic...Me personally...I didnt like the hiring of RAC from the start,.,,I think all we did was waste time with this dufus...god bring someone in here with a damn clue!
So I take that as a vote to get rid of the guy.
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