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New York Jets blaming former coach Mangini for bust Gholston

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  • Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on
    #9

    The up coming draft is going to be similar unless more juniors jump ship, after the 3rd pick there is not to many guys worth first round money.

    Head or Gut?
  • GipsG Gips wrote on
    #10

    Mangini is not a great coach by any stretch of the imagination at least not yet...he is mediocre at best perhaps much having to do with daboll and inexperience in rebuilding a team but he should be allowed only a very minor voice in evaluating draft picks..thats if he survives the new GMs prototype for a good HC..ahhh..hmmm...😉

    Its funny how rebuilding a team is "a proccess" but prepping and playing a rookie qb isnt...what an asstastic human being...

    We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
  • C CLEVELandMILIDH

    @clevelandfanforlife said:

    you can also blame mangini for sanchez as well.

    Yea he gave them a receiver tht cant catch by the name of braylon edwards. And gave them the draft pick to select Sanchez, Its all Mangini's fault

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #11

    nmills said:

    Yea he gave them a receiver tht cant catch by the name of braylon edwards. And gave them the draft pick to select Sanchez, Its all Mangini's fault

    The funny thing though is that I heard a report that Edwards has only dropped 1 single pass since he came to the Jets. With the Browns, that would have been his output just on the first drive of the first game.

    C 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #12

    Yea, I think it is fair to say that no "commentators" believed that going for Gholston that high was a reach. A lot of second guessing there when a guy busts like that.

    But....what the hell, that just puts the Jets like 2 behind the Browns when it comes to First round draft pick defensive linemen busts. Can anyone say Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, and, possibly Kameron Wimbley?

    I ain't shedding no freekin' tears for the Jets.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    nmills said:

    Yea he gave them a receiver tht cant catch by the name of braylon edwards. And gave them the draft pick to select Sanchez, Its all Mangini's fault

    The funny thing though is that I heard a report that Edwards has only dropped 1 single pass since he came to the Jets. With the Browns, that would have been his output just on the first drive of the first game.

    C CLEVELandMILIDH wrote on
    #13

    @the-gipper said:

    The funny thing though is that I heard a report that Edwards has only dropped 1 single pass since he came to the Jets. With the Browns, that would have been his output just on the first drive of the first game.

    he dropped 2 or 3 in one game the turned into interceptions. Its probably Mangini's fault he didnt catch the ball in Cleveland to aint it?

    1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
    DumAssWhiteGuyD The GipperT 2 Replies
  • BrownIndianB BrownIndian wrote on
    #14

    1st round picks

    D'brickashaw Ferguson (OT)- Allowed only 4 sacks last season

    Nick Mangold ©- Pro Bowler

    Darrelle Revis (CB)- One of the NFL's top cornerbacks

    Vernon Gholston (LB)- So far is a complete bust

    Dustin Keller (TE)- 48 rec 535 yds 3 tds in his rookie year

    2nd round picks

    Kellen Clemens (QB)- QB has never been given a chance

    David Harris (LB)- In his rookie year he had 127 tackles and 5 sacks. Got hurt his second year played in 11 games, this year he already has 57 tackles and 2.5 sacks.

    3rd round picks

    Anthony Schlegel (LB)- No longer in the NFL

    Eric Smith (S)- A solid backup with 119 career tackles in 45 games

    4th round picks

    Brad Smith (WR)-QB drafted to play WR has 57 rec 491 yds and 2 tds in 4 seasons.

    Leon Washington (RB)- 3,234 all purpose yds and 19 tds in 3 and nearly a half seasons

    Dwight Lowery (CB)- 64 tackles 5 ff and 1 int in his rookie season

    5th round picks

    Jason Pociask (TE)- Released after rookie year

    Erik Ainge (QB)- Still on team as a backup

    6th round picks

    Drew Coleman (DB)- 27 tackles 1 sack in rookie season, played in 18 games next 2 seasons and so far this year has 7 tackles and 1 PD

    Jacob Bender (OT)- Now on Giants practice squad

    Marcus Henry (WR)- On Jets practice squad

    7th round picks

    Titus Adams (DT)- Was put on the practice squad after being drafted

    Chansi Stuckey (WR)- 32 rec 359 yds and 3 tds in rookie season, now drops passes for us

    Nate Garner (OT)- Now on Dolphins practice squad

    From: http://www.brownsnation.net/2009/10/19/eri...-history/page1/

  • C CLEVELandMILIDH

    @the-gipper said:

    The funny thing though is that I heard a report that Edwards has only dropped 1 single pass since he came to the Jets. With the Browns, that would have been his output just on the first drive of the first game.

    he dropped 2 or 3 in one game the turned into interceptions. Its probably Mangini's fault he didnt catch the ball in Cleveland to aint it?

    DumAssWhiteGuyD DumAssWhiteGuy wrote on
    #15

    nmills said:

    he dropped 2 or 3 in one game the turned into interceptions. Its probably Mangini's fault he didnt catch the ball in Cleveland to aint it?

    Agreed, I watched the game. At least two went right through his hands and then were intercepted. Sounds like deja vu all over again.

    D.A.W.G. or AKA Ignorantly-backsided caucasian
  • C CLEVELandMILIDH

    @the-gipper said:

    The funny thing though is that I heard a report that Edwards has only dropped 1 single pass since he came to the Jets. With the Browns, that would have been his output just on the first drive of the first game.

    he dropped 2 or 3 in one game the turned into interceptions. Its probably Mangini's fault he didnt catch the ball in Cleveland to aint it?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #16

    nmills said:

    he dropped 2 or 3 in one game the turned into interceptions. Its probably Mangini's fault he didnt catch the ball in Cleveland to aint it?

    As I said, "it was reported" that he only drop 1 pass with the Jets.

  • BrownIndianB BrownIndian

    Rex Ryan predicted big things for Vernon Gholston, vowing to turn the disappointing former No. 1 pick into a productive player. That hasn't happened, and it's fair to wonder if it will ever happen.

    Gholston is 24 games into his NFL career, and he has yet to record a sack. How is that possible? His playing time has almost disappeared (only about a dozen defensive snaps in the past two games), and the coaching staff needs to take a hard look this week at whether he should be active Sunday against the Jaguars.

    Because Gholston's role on defense is so small, it might not make sense to dress him because it creates a dropoff on special teams. He's not as good as Marques Murrell and Ahmad Carroll, core special teamers who got squeezed in the numbers game and were inactive in the last game. That decision came back to bite the Jets (see Ted Ginn Jr.). Even special teams coach Mike Westhoff seemed puzzled by it. You can bet there will be an extra emphasis on special teams for Sunday.

    So it has come to this for Gholston, the sixth pick of the 2008 draft: He's extra baggage. But he continues to play because sitting him would be a self-indictment for a team paying him $21million in guarantees. It's a cover-your-backside move, not uncommon in the NFL.

    Here's the troubling part: Gholston's lack of progress isn't surprising to some in the organization. Now we're hearing he wasn't a popular choice to begin with. Opinions in the draft room were mixed on Gholston, but the Jets picked him because then-coach Eric Mangini lobbied hard, according to multiple sources.

    "That one's on Eric," one source said.

    Now they have a potential bust on their hands. Asked if Mangini was the driving force behind the Gholston choice, GM Mike Tannenbaum said, "On all draft decisions, I have the final say. But, organizationally, we felt good about Vernon. Although his rate of improvement isn't where we want it to be, we're still happy he's here and we feel good about his future."

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...l#ixzz0WegPVKS4

    ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on
    #17

    @brownindian said:

    "That one's on Eric," one source said.

    Now they have a potential bust on their hands. Asked if Mangini was the driving force behind the Gholston choice, GM Mike Tannenbaum said, "On all draft decisions, I have the final say. But, organizationally, we felt good about Vernon. Although his rate of improvement isn't where we want it to be, we're still happy he's here and we feel good about his future."

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...l#ixzz0WegPVKS4

    I think the 9-11 attack was because of Mangini.

    Here you have a source say "it's on his hands"...yet the GM says what he says.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @brownindian said:

    "That one's on Eric," one source said.

    Now they have a potential bust on their hands. Asked if Mangini was the driving force behind the Gholston choice, GM Mike Tannenbaum said, "On all draft decisions, I have the final say. But, organizationally, we felt good about Vernon. Although his rate of improvement isn't where we want it to be, we're still happy he's here and we feel good about his future."

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...l#ixzz0WegPVKS4

    I think the 9-11 attack was because of Mangini.

    Here you have a source say "it's on his hands"...yet the GM says what he says.

    E Earl34 wrote on
    #18

    @ballpeen said:

    I think the 9-11 attack was because of Mangini.

    Here you have a source say "it's on his hands"...yet the GM says what he says.

    LOL!!!! 😆 :lol: 😆

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