Bills fire head coach Jauron
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You can't have it both ways. Mangini is as much responsible for the D as anyone. As for the x's and o's, he received rave reviews for a seminar given to the Pro Football Writers of America:
There's also an excerpt from an article about Jeff Schudel's book "No Substitute for Sundays" which chronicles Brett Favre's year with the Jets:
Both ways? What are you talking about, all I said was Ryan was responsible for the D, no Mangina. And As any football fan should know, Football sports writers are hardly credible sources, its all about opinion.
Both ways? What are you talking about, all I said was Ryan was responsible for the D, no Mangina. And As any football fan should know, Football sports writers are hardly credible sources, its all about opinion.
You can't blame Mangini for the offense and then say he had nothing to do with the defense.
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Both ways? What are you talking about, all I said was Ryan was responsible for the D, no Mangina. And As any football fan should know, Football sports writers are hardly credible sources, its all about opinion.
You can't blame Mangini for the offense and then say he had nothing to do with the defense.
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So now we're taking cues from the Buffalo Bills?
You guys need to get a grip and understand that Eric Mangini will always be employable on some level in this league because the league doesn't discard guys who know X's and O's (see Turner, Norv and Phillips, Wade). If he's canned, he might not see HC duty for the foreseeable future but someone in the NFL will employ him on the defensive side of the ball.
Sorry to burst your bubbles.
Our defense is thanks to Rob Ryan, and after his two stints in NY and now here, im pretty sure the league all knows this. He has a bad rap amongst players and would probably have a difficult time getting a cord. position. He will drop down to college like Bill Callahan and hopefully fall of the face of the earth like Ryan Leaf
Our defense is thanks to Rob Ryan, and after his two stints in NY and now here, im pretty sure the league all knows this. He has a bad rap amongst players and would probably have a difficult time getting a cord. position. He will drop down to college like Bill Callahan and hopefully fall of the face of the earth like Ryan Leaf
You cant possibly beleive that. Half our defense is ex-Jets
Did you see Mangini yelling at Ryan sunday when they gave up that running touchdown?
If Mangini has nothing to do with the O and nothing to do with the D, what is he the scapegoat? Im pretty sure the GM/Headcoach/head honco has everything to do with both the offense and the defense
Rob Ryans defensive ranks in Oakland
30th in 04
27th in 05
3rd in 06
22nd in 07
27th in 08
Not exactly stellar
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Our defense is thanks to Rob Ryan, and after his two stints in NY and now here, im pretty sure the league all knows this. He has a bad rap amongst players and would probably have a difficult time getting a cord. position. He will drop down to college like Bill Callahan and hopefully fall of the face of the earth like Ryan Leaf
You cant possibly beleive that. Half our defense is ex-Jets
Did you see Mangini yelling at Ryan sunday when they gave up that running touchdown?
If Mangini has nothing to do with the O and nothing to do with the D, what is he the scapegoat? Im pretty sure the GM/Headcoach/head honco has everything to do with both the offense and the defense
Rob Ryans defensive ranks in Oakland
30th in 04
27th in 05
3rd in 06
22nd in 07
27th in 08
Not exactly stellar
nmills said:
You cant possibly beleive that. Half our defense is ex-JetsDid you see Mangini yelling at Ryan sunday when they gave up that running touchdown?
If Mangini has nothing to do with the O and nothing to do with the D, what is he the scapegoat? Im pretty sure the GM/Headcoach/head honco has everything to do with both the offense and the defense
Rob Ryans defensive ranks in Oakland
30th in 04
27th in 05
3rd in 06
22nd in 07
27th in 08
Not exactly stellar
It's interesting how, despite some pretty bad numbers, Rob Ryan has a degree of fan confidence in him as a potential interim Head Coach.
I think the reason is clear. It's because he brings energy and enthusiasm to that job and has accepted responsibility for the sorry state of his squad.
Mangini is at least percevied as blaming everyone around him, stabbing yet another "friend" in the back
The reason the Bills fired Jauron is because they want to get a head start on next year. They don't want to wait to tell free agents and their fans that things are going to change in Buffalo and Wilson wants to give them a chance to see that he's serious about change.
In Lerner's case he seems very reluctant to send any message of that sort and if he does intend on bringing in a true GM with actual GM powers who will fire Mangini, he's not going to get the head start the Bills will.
For Lerner firing Mangini would send a powerful signal that he's serious about changing the direction of the team and he wouldn't be putting the onus of that decision on a new GM. But in the end I think Lerner may not want to admit he made such a serious mistake with Mangini and Kokinis both... and that maybe it wasn't wise to move so quickly on Mangini when no one else had any interest in him.
That would take a lot pf pride swallowing for Lerner to do that and I don't think he's up to it.
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nmills said:
You cant possibly beleive that. Half our defense is ex-JetsDid you see Mangini yelling at Ryan sunday when they gave up that running touchdown?
If Mangini has nothing to do with the O and nothing to do with the D, what is he the scapegoat? Im pretty sure the GM/Headcoach/head honco has everything to do with both the offense and the defense
Rob Ryans defensive ranks in Oakland
30th in 04
27th in 05
3rd in 06
22nd in 07
27th in 08
Not exactly stellar
It's interesting how, despite some pretty bad numbers, Rob Ryan has a degree of fan confidence in him as a potential interim Head Coach.
I think the reason is clear. It's because he brings energy and enthusiasm to that job and has accepted responsibility for the sorry state of his squad.
Mangini is at least percevied as blaming everyone around him, stabbing yet another "friend" in the back
The reason the Bills fired Jauron is because they want to get a head start on next year. They don't want to wait to tell free agents and their fans that things are going to change in Buffalo and Wilson wants to give them a chance to see that he's serious about change.
In Lerner's case he seems very reluctant to send any message of that sort and if he does intend on bringing in a true GM with actual GM powers who will fire Mangini, he's not going to get the head start the Bills will.
For Lerner firing Mangini would send a powerful signal that he's serious about changing the direction of the team and he wouldn't be putting the onus of that decision on a new GM. But in the end I think Lerner may not want to admit he made such a serious mistake with Mangini and Kokinis both... and that maybe it wasn't wise to move so quickly on Mangini when no one else had any interest in him.
That would take a lot pf pride swallowing for Lerner to do that and I don't think he's up to it.
It's interesting how, despite some pretty bad numbers, Rob Ryan has a degree of fan confidence in him as a potential interim Head Coach.
I think the reason is clear. It's because he brings energy and enthusiasm to that job and has accepted responsibility for the sorry state of his squad.
Mangini is at least percevied as blaming everyone around him, stabbing yet another "friend" in the back
The reason the Bills fired Jauron is because they want to get a head start on next year. They don't want to wait to tell free agents and their fans that things are going to change in Buffalo and Wilson wants to give them a chance to see that he's serious about change.
In Lerner's case he seems very reluctant to send any message of that sort and if he does intend on bringing in a true GM with actual GM powers who will fire Mangini, he's not going to get the head start the Bills will.
For Lerner firing Mangini would send a powerful signal that he's serious about changing the direction of the team and he wouldn't be putting the onus of that decision on a new GM. But in the end I think Lerner may not want to admit he made such a serious mistake with Mangini and Kokinis both... and that maybe it wasn't wise to move so quickly on Mangini when no one else had any interest in him.
That would take a lot pf pride swallowing for Lerner to do that and I don't think he's up to it.
Could you please show me where Mangini is "blaming everyone around him"? Where is he "stabbing yet another friend in the back" (and don't go on the Kokinis angle because I believe that Mangini actually took the slings and arrows on the Kokinis deal to protect Kokinis.
I think Lerner is enough of a wild card to really NOT be predictable. He could insist Mangini stay but everyone has their threshold.
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There is no comparison between Jauron's situation and Mangini's. Dick has had 57-games, four off-seasons/training camps/pre season's/drafts to wallow in mediocrisy ... actually he's been a head coach for 142 games.
Mangini just finished game 9, with a team fresh out of Camp (Cream Puff) Crennel. He's purged the roster beyond belief ... everyone's gone ... ummm, like Edwards .... and Winslow ... and ummm, did I mention Edwards yet?
Jauron brought in Terrell Owens and has Lee Evans and has some good backs, but a green line. We have Joe Thomas, a punt returner ... and Phil Dawson's wife is pretty hot.
Mangini is only gone because of the GM void and the kind of GM we need to bring in is gonna have his own hand-picked coach. Otherwise Mangini would be here to see his 11 Draft picks through.
There is no comparison between Jauron's situation and Mangini's. Dick has had 57-games, four off-seasons/training camps/pre season's/drafts to wallow in mediocrisy ... actually he's been a head coach for 142 games.
Mangini just finished game 9, with a team fresh out of Camp (Cream Puff) Crennel. He's purged the roster beyond belief ... everyone's gone ... ummm, like Edwards .... and Winslow ... and ummm, did I mention Edwards yet?
Jauron brought in Terrell Owens and has Lee Evans and has some good backs, but a green line. We have Joe Thomas, a punt returner ... and Phil Dawson's wife is pretty hot.
Mangini is only gone because of the GM void and the kind of GM we need to bring in is gonna have his own hand-picked coach. Otherwise Mangini would be here to see his 11 Draft picks through.
And we dont need to wait for 48 more games to see where mangini isnt going to take us he sucks...
Wilson may be old but he isnt as slow as slo-lerner when it comes to grabbing the best food off the table before lerner can even get to the dining room...wilson isnt wasting time sitting on his ass twiddling his thumbs like randy is...theres a vacancy to fill but there needs to be three..
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4664167
The Buffalo Bills fired head coach Dick Jauron on Tuesday after a 3-6 start in which the offense has been one of the worst in the NFL.
Jauron was 24-33 since being hired by former general manager Marv Levy in 2006 to be head coach. He has two years remaining on his contract that will pay him a total of $6 million in 2009 and 2010.
"I really don't have anything to say," was all Jauron would say when reached on his cell phone by The Associated Press.
Defensive coordinator Perry Fewell was named interim head coach on Tuesday afternoon, becoming the team's first black head coach. Fewell, who's never been a head coach at any level, will make his debut on Sunday when the Bills travel to play Jacksonville.
"I am announcing today that I am relieving Dick Jauron from his duties as our head coach, effective immediately," Bills owner Ralph Wilson said. "I have tremendous respect for Dick and thank him for all of his efforts during these past four years. While this was a very difficult decision, I felt that it is one that needed to be made at this time for the best interest of our team. We will now focus on moving forward and preparing for our game this week in Jacksonville."
Jauron was blindsided by the firing, an NFL source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Jauron traveled to Detroit on Monday to meet with Wilson; the last time he traveled to Detroit was last summer, when the team fired offensive coordinator Turk Schonert. Jauron and Wilson met Monday and again Tuesday.
The former head coach of the Chicago Bears, Jauron finishes with a 60-82 record as a head coach in the NFL. He was also an interim coach in Detroit in 2005.
Buffalo, which has not made the playoffs since 1999, has now gone through four coaches since the end of the 2000 season, when Wade Phillips was dismissed. Gregg Williams was not rehired after his three-year contract expired, while Mike Mularkey abruptly resigned after a front-office shakeup following the 2005 season.
Under Jauron, the Bills couldn't get over the 7-9 mark. The team was 7-9 during his first three years. During the offseason, the Bills entered minicamps with optimism they could improve on offense. They signed Terrell Owens to take away coverage from Lee Evans, the team's No. 1 receiver.
Jauron and Schonert decided to go to a no-huddle offense. The team didn't huddle during the offseason or training camp. Before the season started, the Bills fired Schonert and handed the offensive coordinator job to Alex Van Pelt, who had been the quarterbacks coach.
The Bills are averaging 15.6 points a game this season. They haven't generated 300 yards of offense in eight of nine games this season, including their past seven. They also haven't had a quarterback generate 200 yards passing since Trent Edwards had 230 yards in a 33-20 win over Tampa Bay in Week 2.
Defensive end Chris Kelsay was shocked to learn of the move happening this late in the season, but not entirely surprised. Kelsay was well aware before the start of the season that changes were in store if the Bills faltered.
"I think everybody understood this was a big year and there was lots at stake," Kelsay told the AP, adding he maintains his respect for Jauron. "I feel a little responsible for it, and most players do. I feel like I let him down because we, as players, are the ones to blame."
Jauron becomes the first NFL coach to be fired this season and first Bills coach to be fired midseason since Hank Bullough was fired nine games into the 1986 season and replaced by Levy.
Fewell has been the Bills' defensive coordinator since 2006.
"Perry has done a great job with our defense and has demonstrated excellent leadership skills as defensive coordinator," Wilson said in a statement. "Our players and staff have a lot of confidence in him and that is important as we look forward to these next seven games."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4664167
The Buffalo Bills fired head coach Dick Jauron on Tuesday after a 3-6 start in which the offense has been one of the worst in the NFL.
Jauron was 24-33 since being hired by former general manager Marv Levy in 2006 to be head coach. He has two years remaining on his contract that will pay him a total of $6 million in 2009 and 2010.
"I really don't have anything to say," was all Jauron would say when reached on his cell phone by The Associated Press.
Defensive coordinator Perry Fewell was named interim head coach on Tuesday afternoon, becoming the team's first black head coach. Fewell, who's never been a head coach at any level, will make his debut on Sunday when the Bills travel to play Jacksonville.
"I am announcing today that I am relieving Dick Jauron from his duties as our head coach, effective immediately," Bills owner Ralph Wilson said. "I have tremendous respect for Dick and thank him for all of his efforts during these past four years. While this was a very difficult decision, I felt that it is one that needed to be made at this time for the best interest of our team. We will now focus on moving forward and preparing for our game this week in Jacksonville."
Jauron was blindsided by the firing, an NFL source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Jauron traveled to Detroit on Monday to meet with Wilson; the last time he traveled to Detroit was last summer, when the team fired offensive coordinator Turk Schonert. Jauron and Wilson met Monday and again Tuesday.
The former head coach of the Chicago Bears, Jauron finishes with a 60-82 record as a head coach in the NFL. He was also an interim coach in Detroit in 2005.
Buffalo, which has not made the playoffs since 1999, has now gone through four coaches since the end of the 2000 season, when Wade Phillips was dismissed. Gregg Williams was not rehired after his three-year contract expired, while Mike Mularkey abruptly resigned after a front-office shakeup following the 2005 season.
Under Jauron, the Bills couldn't get over the 7-9 mark. The team was 7-9 during his first three years. During the offseason, the Bills entered minicamps with optimism they could improve on offense. They signed Terrell Owens to take away coverage from Lee Evans, the team's No. 1 receiver.
Jauron and Schonert decided to go to a no-huddle offense. The team didn't huddle during the offseason or training camp. Before the season started, the Bills fired Schonert and handed the offensive coordinator job to Alex Van Pelt, who had been the quarterbacks coach.
The Bills are averaging 15.6 points a game this season. They haven't generated 300 yards of offense in eight of nine games this season, including their past seven. They also haven't had a quarterback generate 200 yards passing since Trent Edwards had 230 yards in a 33-20 win over Tampa Bay in Week 2.
Defensive end Chris Kelsay was shocked to learn of the move happening this late in the season, but not entirely surprised. Kelsay was well aware before the start of the season that changes were in store if the Bills faltered.
"I think everybody understood this was a big year and there was lots at stake," Kelsay told the AP, adding he maintains his respect for Jauron. "I feel a little responsible for it, and most players do. I feel like I let him down because we, as players, are the ones to blame."
Jauron becomes the first NFL coach to be fired this season and first Bills coach to be fired midseason since Hank Bullough was fired nine games into the 1986 season and replaced by Levy.
Fewell has been the Bills' defensive coordinator since 2006.
"Perry has done a great job with our defense and has demonstrated excellent leadership skills as defensive coordinator," Wilson said in a statement. "Our players and staff have a lot of confidence in him and that is important as we look forward to these next seven games."
My take is if the Bills can fire their head coach in the middle season, so can the Browns! And they should!!!
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i get a lot of bills coverage in my area.
we are in VERY similar positons.
- a 2 QB circus....with both likely to be replaced next year
- needing a head coach
-decent D's but terribly ineffective offenses
i'm glad there are enough coaches/players to go around, but the reality is, both the browns and bills are looking for a HC and a QB.
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i get a lot of bills coverage in my area.
we are in VERY similar positons.
- a 2 QB circus....with both likely to be replaced next year
- needing a head coach
-decent D's but terribly ineffective offenses
i'm glad there are enough coaches/players to go around, but the reality is, both the browns and bills are looking for a HC and a QB.
i get a lot of bills coverage in my area.
we are in VERY similar positons.
- a 2 QB circus....with both likely to be replaced next year
- needing a head coach
-decent D's but terribly ineffective offenses
i'm glad there are enough coaches/players to go around, but the reality is, both the browns and bills are looking for a HC and a QB.
The HUGE difference is you have 2 Pro-Bowl WR's, we got 2 rookies. Shit and a pro bowl RB.
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true.
and that's only gotten them to 7-9 and the past 35 years.
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true.
and that's only gotten them to 7-9 and the past 35 years.
true.
and that's only gotten them to 7-9 and the past 35 years.
Let's combine the 2 teams and we might be able to make the Playoffs. The Brown Buffalos
Mark my words Fitzpatrick is going to light it up this weekend.
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my friend and I talk about combining ALL the time.
there'd be a good Defense...
browns have 2 good O linemen
bills have talent at WR and RB
and.....qb's are still rough.
oh, and we have cribbs, not some turd who fumbles kickoffs away.
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