Steeler fan @ browns game
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Im going to the game on Dec. 10 my gf is a steelers fan. what are the do's and dont's for steelers fans to not do or say while there.
Really dont feel like getting into a fight.
Im going to the game on Dec. 10 my gf is a steelers fan. what are the do's and dont's for steelers fans to not do or say while there.
Really dont feel like getting into a fight.
90 percent of what you're hearing is wrong. The biggest thing is to have your girlfriend not wear any Steelers clothing, if she does that she'll be fine. Otherwise, you'll hear the chants asshole constantly and maybe more. Just tell her to keep the Steelers gear at home and you'll have a great time!
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Who are WE? You got a mouse in your pocket? We includes ME and I am talking about the titles won in the NFL, and in the leagues that have merged with the NFL, including the AFL and the AAFC, as those teams are still here in this league today. And if YOU are talking about just NFL titles, WE still have 9, as the teams from Northeast Ohio that preceded the existance of the Browns won 5 NFL titles. The fact that some of those teams may have moved from Cleveland (like the Rams) or that some of them went defunct (like The Bulldogs) doesn't make those titles any less real.
FYI, for the past 20 years or so, I have been tracking the title records in all the "Big Four" sports, not just football, and I include the titles won by teams in "merged leagues" with the NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA.
Example, in my compilation do you know that Pittsburgh even gets credit for a basketball title? Yes, the 1968 Pittsburgh Pipers won the ABA title. I do not throw out the Pittsburgh ABA title as willingly as you may wish to throw out titles legitimately won in Professional football. Do you also know that Utah, Oakland, Kentucky, New Jersey,and Indianapolis also have basketball championships from the ABA?
Do you also know that Houston has 2 Hockey titles, Hartford one, Quebec 1, and Winnipeg 3 from the WHA that merged with the NHL. Hartford were the Whalers that recently became the NHL Carolina Hurricane that won the Cup a couple years ago, and the Quebec Nordiques became the Colorado Avalanche who won a couple of cups, and the Winnipeg Jets became the Phoenix Coyotes? The Edmonton Oilers were part of the WHA, and who was on that team? Wayne Gretsky. Would you discount his accomplishments? Like you would Otto Graham's and Marion Motleys?
All these titles count. As do the Browns AAFC titles. None of these go away just because you may wish to put blinders on about it. They weren't minor league. They were legit. If that doesn't satisfy you....then just sing that Rolling Stones song, cause that what you get, or can't get.
An eight team "League" is hardly a League. I am sorry. If the NFL Fails to recognize it. I don't see why it really matters , when your talking NFL Football and the topic of how many Titles has each team won. Besides Browns Fans I cant imagine hardly anyone who would say Cleveland has 13 Football Titles. The Entire AFL Merged into the NFL... I can see their stance and recognize it. Not the AAFC. Or any other "Pro" League" Back in the Roaring 20`s. Neither of us is Budging on this so . Lets agree to disagree. LOL>
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An eight team "League" is hardly a League. I am sorry. If the NFL Fails to recognize it. I don't see why it really matters , when your talking NFL Football and the topic of how many Titles has each team won. Besides Browns Fans I cant imagine hardly anyone who would say Cleveland has 13 Football Titles. The Entire AFL Merged into the NFL... I can see their stance and recognize it. Not the AAFC. Or any other "Pro" League" Back in the Roaring 20`s. Neither of us is Budging on this so . Lets agree to disagree. LOL>Its not an issue of "disagreement". It is an issue of fact. You cannot erase history, no matter how hard you try or may wish to do so. The NFL, with its pettiness on some things, doesn't make the fu*ing rules for every goddam thing on earth.
And it ain't just Browns fans. Do I need to copy every posting from every website that shows all those Browns titles?
The Pro Football Hall of Fame ain't "just Browns fans". The Pro Football reference website where many people get their info ain't "just Browns fans", The Sporting News, last time I looked was headquartered in St. Louis, and it "ain't just Browns fans". The Elias Sports Bureau "ain't just Browns fans."
The fact is, it is YOU who are looking petty and appearing "anti-Browns". Would you argue this vociferously if it had been the 49ers who had won those AAFC titles that EVERY entity except one recognizes?
If the Steelers had by chance pulled out that 1947 victory in the playoffs, could we have been justified in arguing as you do "they don't count" as it was only won in an an 8 or 10 league team. (The NFL and the AAFC had about the same number of teams in those years....so if an AAFC title is "illegitimate" for having been won in too small a league, then the same could be said for every NFL title prior to the 1950 AAFC merger)
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or you could always dress her up in nothing but Steelers gear. Once she hears about 10,000 people calling her names she might decide to switch over and forget all about the Steelers. Never know!
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I think it's more or less the older folks are proud of what the team accomplished back in the day. Let's say 40 years from now the NFL is played all over the globe and they ditch the super bowl for a name like the title bowl or something like that. Are you still going to be proud of the Steelers for the 6 superbowls they won even if there in dead last and stand no chance making it to the "title bowl"? Im sure you would be because that's how you will remember them. Even if there are more teams, a different name for the title game and alot more rules, it's still the 6 superbowls you were a witness to them winning. If that makes any sense lol.
As long as its an NFL Title ... i totally understand it. And You guys Started with a Boom. Probably possibly would have Won 6 or 7 if you had jumped right in the League. But , thats not what happened. But 4 is a Good number , why embellish it with titles from these "Off" Leagues? be happy with 4.... they are Legitimate NFL Titles. Even with the MAJOR Benefit of just going out and Building that team by signing who ever you wanted , NO Draft just Paul Browns recruiting and a Fat wallet. But it is what it is , the NFL Admitted the Browns and the Browns Promptly took over for a spell. Props !!!
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
As long as its an NFL Title ... i totally understand it. And You guys Started with a Boom. Probably possibly would have Won 6 or 7 if you had jumped right in the League. But , thats not what happened. But 4 is a Good number , why embellish it with titles from these "Off" Leagues? be happy with 4.... they are Legitimate NFL Titles. Even with the MAJOR Benefit of just going out and Building that team by signing who ever you wanted , NO Draft just Paul Browns recruiting and a Fat wallet. But it is what it is , the NFL Admitted the Browns and the Browns Promptly took over for a spell. Props !!!But, by your standards apparently even most NFL titles shouldn't count! Because A. the league was too small or B. the league was.....well whatever it was, it was no good because Pittsburgh sucked or something.
Here is a clue for you: MORE NFL titles have been played and awarded before the onset of the AFL/NFL playoff game than have been played since that game began. What Super Bowl number are we on? XLIV? How many is that?
The NFL/AFL/AAFC have had more championship awarded that the 40 whatever SBs have been awarded. They ALL still freeking count. Here they come, ready or not:
2008 NFL Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Arizona Cardinals (NFC,9-7), Score: 27-23
2007 NFL Super Bowl XLII: New York Giants (NFC,10-6) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,16-0), Score: 17-14
2006 NFL Super Bowl XLI: Indianapolis Colts (AFC,12-4) defeated Chicago Bears (NFC,13-3), Score: 29-17
2005 NFL Super Bowl XL: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5) defeated Seattle Seahawks (NFC,13-3), Score: 21-10
2004 NFL Super Bowl XXXIX: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,13-3), Score: 24-21
2003 NFL Super Bowl XXXVIII: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Carolina Panthers (NFC,11-5), Score: 32-29
2002 NFL Super Bowl XXXVII: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (NFC,12-4) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5), Score: 48-21
2001 NFL Super Bowl XXXVI: New England Patriots (AFC,11-5) defeated St. Louis Rams (NFC,14-2), Score: 20-17
2000 NFL Super Bowl XXXV: Baltimore Ravens (AFC,12-4) defeated New York Giants (NFC,12-4), Score: 34-7
1999 NFL Super Bowl XXXIV: St. Louis Rams (NFC,13-3) defeated Tennessee Titans (AFC,13-3), Score: 23-16
1998 NFL Super Bowl XXXIII: Denver Broncos (AFC,14-2) defeated Atlanta Falcons (NFC,14-2), Score: 34-19
1997 NFL Super Bowl XXXII: Denver Broncos (AFC,12-4) defeated Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3), Score: 31-24
1996 NFL Super Bowl XXXI: Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 35-21
1995 NFL Super Bowl XXX: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5), Score: 27-17
1994 NFL Super Bowl XXIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated San Diego Chargers (AFC,11-5), Score: 49-26
1993 NFL Super Bowl XXVIII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,12-4), Score: 30-13
1992 NFL Super Bowl XXVII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,11-5), Score: 52-17
1991 NFL Super Bowl XXVI: Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 37-24
1990 NFL Super Bowl XXV: New York Giants (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 20-19
1989 NFL Super Bowl XXIV: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 55-10
1988 NFL Super Bowl XXIII: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,10-6) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 20-16
1987 NFL Super Bowl XXII: Washington Redskins (NFC,11-4) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,10-4-1), Score: 42-10
1986 NFL Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 39-20
1985 NFL Super Bowl XX: Chicago Bears (NFC,15-1) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 46-10
1984 NFL Super Bowl XIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,15-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-2), Score: 38-16
1983 NFL Super Bowl XVIII: Los Angeles Raiders (AFC,12-4) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2), Score: 38-9
1982 NFL Super Bowl XVII: Washington Redskins (NFC,8-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,7-2), Score: 27-17
1981 NFL Super Bowl XVI: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 26-21
1980 NFL Super Bowl XV: Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,12-4), Score: 27-10
1979 NFL Super Bowl XIV: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Los Angeles Rams (NFC,9-7), Score: 31-19
1978 NFL Super Bowl XIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,14-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4), Score: 35-31
1977 NFL Super Bowl XII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,12-2), Score: 27-10
1976 NFL Super Bowl XI: Oakland Raiders (AFC,13-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,11-2-1), Score: 32-14
1975 NFL Super Bowl X: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 21-17
1974 NFL Super Bowl IX: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,10-3-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-6
1973 NFL Super Bowl VIII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,12-2) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,12-2), Score: 24-7
1972 NFL Super Bowl VII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-0) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,11-3), Score: 14-7
1971 NFL Super Bowl VI: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,11-3) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,10-3-1), Score: 24-3
1970 NFL Super Bowl V: Baltimore Colts (AFC,11-2-1) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-13
1969 NFL AFL Super Bowl IV: Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-3) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFL,12-2), Score: 23-7
1968 NFL AFL Super Bowl III: New York Jets (AFL,11-3) defeated Baltimore Colts (NFL,13-1), Score: 16-7
1967 NFL AFL Super Bowl II: Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-4-1) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFL,13-1), Score: 33-14
1966 NFL AFL Super Bowl I: Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2) defeated Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-2-1), Score: 35-10
1965 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,10-3-1)
1964 NFL AFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,12-2)
1963 NFL AFL Chicago Bears (NFL,11-1-2), San Diego Chargers (AFL,11-3)
1962 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,13-1), Dallas Texans (AFL,11-3)
1961 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,11-3), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-3-1)
1960 NFL AFL Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,10-2), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-4)
1959 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)
1958 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)
1957 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,8-4)
1956 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-3-1)
1955 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-2-1)
1954 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-3)
1953 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,10-2)
1952 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,9-3)
1951 NFL Los Angeles Rams (NFL,8-4)
1950 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-2)
1949 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,11-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,9-1-2)
1948 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,9-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,14-0)
1947 NFL AAFC Chicago Cardinals (NFL,9-3), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-1-1)
1946 NFL AAFC Chicago Bears (NFL,8-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-2)
1945 NFL Cleveland Rams (NFL,9-1)
1944 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,8-2)
1943 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-1-1)
1942 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,10-1)
1941 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-1)
1940 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-3)
1939 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-2)
1938 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-2-1)
1937 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,8-3)
1936 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-1-1)
1935 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,7-3-2)
1934 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-5)
1933 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-2-1)
1932 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,7-1-6)
1931 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2)
1930 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1)
1929 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-0-1)
1928 NFL Providence Steam Roller (NFL,8-1-2)
1927 NFL New York Giants (NFL,11-1-1)
1926 NFL Frankford Yellow Jackets (NFL,14-1-2)
1925 NFL Chicago Cardinals (NFL,11-2-1)
1924 NFL Cleveland Bulldogs (NFL,7-1-1)
1923 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,11-0-1)
1922 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,10-0-2)
1921 APFA Chicago Staleys (APFA,9-1-1)
1920 APFA Akron Pros (APFA,8-0-3)
You can perhaps delete the memories from your brain (I reccomend hard drugs) but you cannot delete these facts.
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And check this out. I can't even delete the Pittsburgh ABA championship:
2008-09 NBA Los Angeles Lakers L. James D. Rose D. Wade (2386) D. Howard (1093) C. Paul (861) L. James (20.3)
2007-08 NBA Boston Celtics K. Bryant K. Durant K. Bryant (2323) D. Howard (1161) C. Paul (925) C. Paul (17.8)
2006-07 NBA San Antonio Spurs D. Nowitzki B. Roy K. Bryant (2430) D. Howard (1008) S. Nash (884) D. Nowitzki (16.3)
2005-06 NBA Miami Heat S. Nash C. Paul K. Bryant (2832) D. Howard (1022) S. Nash (826) D. Nowitzki (17.7)
2004-05 NBA San Antonio Spurs S. Nash E. Okafor A. Iverson (2302) K. Garnett (1108) S. Nash (861) K. Garnett (16.1)
2003-04 NBA Detroit Pistons K. Garnett L. James K. Garnett (1987) K. Garnett (1139) S. Marbury (719) K. Garnett (18.3)
2002-03 NBA San Antonio Spurs T. Duncan A. Stoudemire K. Bryant (2461) B. Wallace (1126) J. Kidd (711) T. Duncan (16.5)
2001-02 NBA Los Angeles Lakers T. Duncan P. Gasol P. Pierce (2144) T. Duncan (1042) A. Miller (882) T. Duncan (17.8)
2000-01 NBA Los Angeles Lakers A. Iverson M. Miller J. Stackhouse (2380) B. Wallace (1052) J. Kidd (753) S. O'Neal (14.9)
1999-00 NBA Los Angeles Lakers S. O'Neal E. Brand
S. Francis S. O'Neal (2344) D. Mutombo (1157) G. Payton (732) S. O'Neal (18.6)
1998-99 NBA San Antonio Spurs K. Malone V. Carter S. O'Neal (1289) D. Mutombo (610) J. Kidd (539) K. Malone (9.6)
1997-98 NBA Chicago Bulls M. Jordan T. Duncan M. Jordan (2357) D. Rodman (1201) R. Strickland (801) K. Malone (16.4)
1996-97 NBA Chicago Bulls K. Malone A. Iverson M. Jordan (2431) D. Mutombo (929) M. Jackson (935) M. Jordan (18.3)
1995-96 NBA Chicago Bulls M. Jordan D. Stoudamire M. Jordan (2491) D. Robinson (1000) J. Stockton (916) M. Jordan (20.4)
1994-95 NBA Houston Rockets D. Robinson G. Hill
J. Kidd S. O'Neal (2315) D. Mutombo (1029) J. Stockton (1011) D. Robinson (17.5)
1993-94 NBA Houston Rockets H. Olajuwon C. Webber D. Robinson (2383) D. Rodman (1367) J. Stockton (1031) D. Robinson (20.0)
1992-93 NBA Chicago Bulls C. Barkley S. O'Neal M. Jordan (2541) D. Rodman (1132) J. Stockton (987) M. Jordan (17.2)
1991-92 NBA Chicago Bulls M. Jordan L. Johnson M. Jordan (2404) D. Rodman (1530) J. Stockton (1126) M. Jordan (17.7)
1990-91 NBA Chicago Bulls M. Jordan D. Coleman M. Jordan (2580) D. Robinson (1063) J. Stockton (1164) M. Jordan (20.3)
1989-90 NBA Detroit Pistons M. Johnson D. Robinson M. Jordan (2753) H. Olajuwon (1149) J. Stockton (1134) M. Jordan (19.0)
1988-89 NBA Detroit Pistons M. Johnson M. Richmond M. Jordan (2633) H. Olajuwon (1105) J. Stockton (1118) M. Jordan (19.8)
1987-88 NBA Los Angeles Lakers M. Jordan M. Jackson M. Jordan (2868) C. Oakley (1066) J. Stockton (1128) M. Jordan (21.2)
1986-87 NBA Los Angeles Lakers M. Johnson C. Person M. Jordan (3041) C. Oakley (1074) M. Johnson (977) M. Jordan (16.9)
1985-86 NBA Boston Celtics L. Bird P. Ewing A. English (2414) B. Laimbeer (1075) M. Johnson (907) L. Bird (15.8)
1984-85 NBA Los Angeles Lakers L. Bird M. Jordan M. Jordan (2313) M. Malone (1031) I. Thomas (1123) L. Bird (15.7)
1983-84 NBA Boston Celtics L. Bird R. Sampson A. Dantley (2418) B. Laimbeer (1003) I. Thomas (914) A. Dantley (14.6)
1982-83 NBA Philadelphia 76ers M. Malone T. Cummings A. English (2326) M. Malone (1194) M. Johnson (829) M. Malone (15.1)
1981-82 NBA Los Angeles Lakers M. Malone B. Williams G. Gervin (2551) M. Malone (1188) J. Moore (762) M. Malone (15.4)
1980-81 NBA Boston Celtics J. Erving D. Griffith A. Dantley (2452) M. Malone (1180) K. Porter (734) K. Abdul-Jabbar (14.3)
1979-80 NBA Los Angeles Lakers K. Abdul-Jabbar L. Bird G. Gervin (2585) S. Nater (1216) M. Richardson (832) K. Abdul-Jabbar (14.8)
1978-79 NBA Seattle Supersonics M. Malone P. Ford G. Gervin (2365) M. Malone (1444) K. Porter (1099) K. Abdul-Jabbar (14.4)
1977-78 NBA Washington Bullets B. Walton W. Davis G. Gervin (2232) T. Robinson (1288) K. Porter (837) D. Thompson (12.7)
1976-77 NBA Portland Trail Blazers K. Abdul-Jabbar A. Dantley P. Maravich (2273) K. Abdul-Jabbar (1090) D. Buse (685) K. Abdul-Jabbar (17.8)
1975-76 NBA Boston Celtics K. Abdul-Jabbar A. Adams B. McAdoo (2427) K. Abdul-Jabbar (1383) S. Watts (661) K. Abdul-Jabbar (17.0)
1975-76 ABA New York Nets J. Erving D. Thompson J. Erving (2462) A. Gilmore (1303) D. Buse (689) J. Erving (17.7)
1974-75 NBA Golden State Warriors B. McAdoo J. Wilkes B. McAdoo (2831) B. McAdoo (1155) K. Porter (650) B. McAdoo (17.8)
1974-75 ABA Kentucky Colonels J. Erving
G. McGinnis M. Barnes G. McGinnis (2353) A. Gilmore (1361) C. Williams (576) J. Erving (17.6)
1973-74 NBA Boston Celtics K. Abdul-Jabbar E. DiGregorio B. McAdoo (2261) E. Hayes (1463) E. DiGregorio (663) K. Abdul-Jabbar (18.4)
1973-74 ABA New York Nets J. Erving S. Nater J. Erving (2299) A. Gilmore (1538) A. Smith (619) J. Erving (16.5)
1972-73 NBA New York Knickerbockers D. Cowens B. McAdoo T. Archibald (2719) W. Chamberlain (1526) T. Archibald (910) K. Abdul-Jabbar (21.9)
1972-73 ABA Indiana Pacers B. Cunningham B. Taylor D. Issel (2292) A. Gilmore (1476) C. Williams (582) A. Gilmore (18.5)
1971-72 NBA Los Angeles Lakers K. Abdul-Jabbar S. Wicks K. Abdul-Jabbar (2822) W. Chamberlain (1572) L. Wilkens (766) K. Abdul-Jabbar (25.4)
1971-72 ABA Indiana Pacers A. Gilmore A. Gilmore D. Issel (2538) A. Gilmore (1491) B. Melchionni (669) A. Gilmore (19.8)
1970-71 NBA Milwaukee Bucks K. Abdul-Jabbar D. Cowens
G. Petrie K. Abdul-Jabbar (2596) W. Chamberlain (1493) N. Van Lier (832) K. Abdul-Jabbar (22.3)
1970-71 ABA Utah Stars M. Daniels D. Issel
C. Scott D. Issel (2480) M. Daniels (1475) B. Melchionni (672) Z. Beaty (16.0)
1969-70 NBA New York Knickerbockers W. Reed K. Abdul-Jabbar K. Abdul-Jabbar (2361) E. Hayes (1386) L. Wilkens (683) J. West (15.2)
1969-70 ABA Indiana Pacers S. Haywood S. Haywood S. Haywood (2519) S. Haywood (1637) L. Brown (580) S. Haywood (17.1)
1968-69 NBA Boston Celtics W. Unseld W. Unseld E. Hayes (2327) W. Chamberlain (1712) O. Robertson (772) W. Reed (14.7)
1968-69 ABA Oakland Oaks M. Daniels W. Jabali L. Jones (2133) M. Daniels (1256) L. Brown (544) J. Jones (16.1)
1967-68 NBA Boston Celtics W. Chamberlain E. Monroe D. Bing (2142) W. Chamberlain (1952) W. Chamberlain (702) W. Chamberlain (20.4)
1967-68 ABA Pittsburgh Pipers C. Hawkins M. Daniels D. Moe (1884) M. Daniels (1213) L. Brown (506) C. Hawkins (17.9)
1966-67 NBA Philadelphia 76ers W. Chamberlain D. Bing R. Barry (2775) W. Chamberlain (1957) G. Rodgers (908) W. Chamberlain (21.9)
1965-66 NBA Boston Celtics W. Chamberlain R. Barry W. Chamberlain (2649) W. Chamberlain (1943) O. Robertson (847) W. Chamberlain (21.4)
1964-65 NBA Boston Celtics B. Russell W. Reed W. Chamberlain (2534) B. Russell (1878) O. Robertson (861) O. Robertson (17.0)
1963-64 NBA Boston Celtics O. Robertson J. Lucas W. Chamberlain (2948) B. Russell (1930) O. Robertson (868) W. Chamberlain (25.0)
1962-63 NBA Boston Celtics B. Russell T. Dischinger W. Chamberlain (3586) W. Chamberlain (1946) G. Rodgers (825) W. Chamberlain (20.9)
1961-62 NBA Boston Celtics B. Russell W. Bellamy W. Chamberlain (4029) W. Chamberlain (2052) O. Robertson (899) W. Chamberlain (23.1)
1960-61 NBA Boston Celtics B. Russell O. Robertson W. Chamberlain (3033) W. Chamberlain (2149) O. Robertson (690) W. Chamberlain (18.8)
1959-60 NBA Boston Celtics W. Chamberlain W. Chamberlain W. Chamberlain (2707) W. Chamberlain (1941) B. Cousy (715) W. Chamberlain (17.0)
1958-59 NBA Boston Celtics B. Pettit E. Baylor B. Pettit (2105) B. Russell (1612) B. Cousy (557) B. Pettit (14.8)
1957-58 NBA St. Louis Hawks B. Russell W. Sauldsberry G. Yardley (2001) B. Russell (1564) B. Cousy (463) D. Schayes (13.7)
1956-57 NBA Boston Celtics B. Cousy T. Heinsohn P. Arizin (1817) M. Stokes (1256) B. Cousy (478) N. Johnston (13.7)
1955-56 NBA Philadelphia Warriors B. Pettit M. Stokes B. Pettit (1849) B. Pettit (1164) B. Cousy (642) N. Johnston (13.9)
1954-55 NBA Syracuse Nationals B. Pettit N. Johnston (1631) N. Johnston (1085) B. Cousy (557) N. Johnston (15.4)
1953-54 NBA Minneapolis Lakers R. Felix N. Johnston (1759) H. Gallatin (1098) B. Cousy (518) N. Johnston (18.3)
1952-53 NBA Minneapolis Lakers M. Meineke N. Johnston (1564) G. Mikan (1007) B. Cousy (547) N. Johnston (15.3)
1951-52 NBA Minneapolis Lakers P. Arizin (1674) M. Hutchins (880) A. Phillip (539) P. Arizin (16.0)
1950-51 NBA Rochester Royals G. Mikan (1932) D. Schayes (1080) A. Phillip (414)
1949-50 NBA Minneapolis Lakers G. Mikan (1865) D. McGuire (386)
1948-49 BAA Minneapolis Lakers G. Mikan (1698) B. Davies (321)
1947-48 BAA Baltimore Bullets M. Zaslofsky (1007) H. Dallmar (120)
1946-47 BAA Philadelphia Warriors J. Fulks (1389) E. Calverley (202)
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And more from Hockey. Looky, looky. Titles that were won that you cannot ignore:
2008-09 NHL Pittsburgh Penguins Detroit Red Wings A. Ovechkin P. Datsyuk T. Thomas S. Mason Z. Chara E. Malkin
2007-08 NHL Detroit Red Wings Pittsburgh Penguins A. Ovechkin P. Datsyuk M. Brodeur P. Kane N. Lidstrom H. Zetterberg
2006-07 NHL Anaheim Ducks Ottawa Senators S. Crosby P. Datsyuk M. Brodeur E. Malkin N. Lidstrom S. Niedermayer
2005-06 NHL Carolina Hurricanes Edmonton Oilers J. Thornton P. Datsyuk M. Kiprusoff A. Ovechkin N. Lidstrom C. Ward
2003-04 NHL Tampa Bay Lightning Calgary Flames M. St. Louis B. Richards M. Brodeur A. Raycroft S. Niedermayer B. Richards
2002-03 NHL New Jersey Devils Mighty Ducks of Anaheim P. Forsberg A. Mogilny M. Brodeur B. Jackman N. Lidstrom J. Giguere
2001-02 NHL Detroit Red Wings Carolina Hurricanes J. Theodore R. Francis J. Theodore D. Heatley N. Lidstrom N. Lidstrom
2000-01 NHL Colorado Avalanche New Jersey Devils J. Sakic J. Sakic D. Hasek E. Nabokov N. Lidstrom P. Roy
1999-00 NHL New Jersey Devils Dallas Stars C. Pronger P. Demitra O. Kolzig S. Gomez C. Pronger S. Stevens
1998-99 NHL Dallas Stars Buffalo Sabres J. Jagr W. Gretzky D. Hasek C. Drury A. MacInnis J. Nieuwendyk
1997-98 NHL Detroit Red Wings Washington Capitals D. Hasek R. Francis D. Hasek S. Samsonov R. Blake S. Yzerman
1996-97 NHL Detroit Red Wings Philadelphia Flyers D. Hasek P. Kariya D. Hasek B. Berard B. Leetch M. Vernon
1995-96 NHL Colorado Avalanche Florida Panthers M. Lemieux P. Kariya J. Carey D. Alfredsson C. Chelios J. Sakic
1994-95 NHL New Jersey Devils Detroit Red Wings E. Lindros R. Francis D. Hasek P. Forsberg P. Coffey C. Lemieux
1993-94 NHL New York Rangers Vancouver Canucks S. Fedorov W. Gretzky D. Hasek M. Brodeur R. Bourque B. Leetch
1992-93 NHL Montreal Canadiens Los Angeles Kings M. Lemieux P. Turgeon E. Belfour T. Selanne C. Chelios P. Roy
1991-92 NHL Pittsburgh Penguins Chicago Blackhawks M. Messier W. Gretzky P. Roy P. Bure B. Leetch M. Lemieux
1990-91 NHL Pittsburgh Penguins Minnesota North Stars B. Hull W. Gretzky E. Belfour E. Belfour R. Bourque M. Lemieux
1989-90 NHL Edmonton Oilers Boston Bruins M. Messier B. Hull P. Roy S. Makarov R. Bourque B. Ranford
1988-89 NHL Calgary Flames Montreal Canadiens W. Gretzky J. Mullen P. Roy B. Leetch C. Chelios A. MacInnis
1987-88 NHL Edmonton Oilers Boston Bruins M. Lemieux M. Naslund G. Fuhr J. Nieuwendyk R. Bourque W. Gretzky
1986-87 NHL Edmonton Oilers Philadelphia Flyers W. Gretzky J. Mullen R. Hextall L. Robitaille R. Bourque R. Hextall
1985-86 NHL Montreal Canadiens Calgary Flames W. Gretzky M. Bossy J. Vanbiesbrouck G. Suter P. Coffey P. Roy
1984-85 NHL Edmonton Oilers Philadelphia Flyers W. Gretzky J. Kurri P. Lindbergh M. Lemieux P. Coffey W. Gretzky
1983-84 NHL Edmonton Oilers New York Islanders W. Gretzky M. Bossy T. Barrasso T. Barrasso R. Langway M. Messier
1982-83 NHL New York Islanders Edmonton Oilers W. Gretzky M. Bossy P. Peeters S. Larmer R. Langway B. Smith
1981-82 NHL New York Islanders Vancouver Canucks W. Gretzky R. Middleton B. Smith D. Hawerchuk D. Wilson M. Bossy
1980-81 NHL New York Islanders Minnesota North Stars W. Gretzky R. Kehoe D. Herron
M. Larocque
R. Sevigny P. Stastny R. Carlyle B. Goring
1979-80 NHL New York Islanders Philadelphia Flyers W. Gretzky W. Gretzky D. Edwards
B. Sauve R. Bourque L. Robinson B. Trottier
1978-79 NHL Montreal Canadiens New York Rangers B. Trottier B. MacMillan K. Dryden
M. Larocque B. Smith D. Potvin B. Gainey
1978-79 WHA Winnipeg Jets Edmonton Oilers
1977-78 NHL Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins G. Lafleur B. Goring K. Dryden
M. Larocque M. Bossy D. Potvin L. Robinson
1977-78 WHA Winnipeg Jets New England Whalers
1976-77 NHL Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins G. Lafleur M. Dionne K. Dryden
M. Larocque W. Plett L. Robinson G. Lafleur
1976-77 WHA Quebec Nordiques Winnipeg Jets
1975-76 NHL Montreal Canadiens Philadelphia Flyers B. Clarke J. Ratelle K. Dryden B. Trottier D. Potvin R. Leach
1975-76 WHA Winnipeg Jets Houston Aeros
1974-75 NHL Philadelphia Flyers Buffalo Sabres B. Clarke M. Dionne B. Parent E. Vail B. Orr B. Parent
1974-75 WHA Houston Aeros Quebec Nordiques
1973-74 NHL Philadelphia Flyers Boston Bruins P. Esposito J. Bucyk T. Esposito
B. Parent D. Potvin B. Orr B. Parent
1973-74 WHA Houston Aeros Chicago Cougars
1972-73 NHL Montreal Canadiens Chicago Black Hawks B. Clarke G. Perreault K. Dryden S. Vickers B. Orr Y. Cournoyer
1972-73 WHA New England Whalers Winnipeg Jets
1971-72 NHL Boston Bruins New York Rangers B. Orr J. Ratelle T. Esposito
G. Smith K. Dryden B. Orr B. Orr
1970-71 NHL Montreal Canadiens Chicago Black Hawks B. Orr J. Bucyk E. Giacomin
G. Villemure G. Perreault B. Orr K. Dryden
1969-70 NHL Boston Bruins St. Louis Blues B. Orr P. Goyette T. Esposito T. Esposito B. Orr B. Orr
1968-69 NHL Montreal Canadiens St. Louis Blues P. Esposito A. Delvecchio G. Hall
J. Plante D. Grant B. Orr S. Savard
1967-68 NHL Montreal Canadiens St. Louis Blues S. Mikita S. Mikita R. Vachon
G. Worsley D. Sanderson B. Orr G. Hall
1966-67 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs Montreal Canadiens S. Mikita S. Mikita D. DeJordy
G. Hall B. Orr H. Howell D. Keon
1965-66 NHL Montreal Canadiens Detroit Red Wings B. Hull A. Delvecchio C. Hodge
G. Worsley B. Selby J. Laperriere R. Crozier
1964-65 NHL Montreal Canadiens Chicago Black Hawks B. Hull B. Hull J. Bower
T. Sawchuk R. Crozier P. Pilote J. Beliveau
1963-64 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings J. Beliveau K. Wharram C. Hodge J. Laperriere P. Pilote
1962-63 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings G. Howe D. Keon G. Hall K. Douglas P. Pilote
1961-62 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs Chicago Black Hawks J. Plante D. Keon J. Plante B. Rousseau D. Harvey
1960-61 NHL Chicago Black Hawks Detroit Red Wings B. Geoffrion R. Kelly J. Bower D. Keon D. Harvey
1959-60 NHL Montreal Canadiens Toronto Maple Leafs G. Howe D. McKenney J. Plante B. Hay D. Harvey
1958-59 NHL Montreal Canadiens Toronto Maple Leafs A. Bathgate A. Delvecchio J. Plante R. Backstrom T. Johnson
1957-58 NHL Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins G. Howe C. Henry J. Plante F. Mahovlich D. Harvey
1956-57 NHL Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins G. Howe A. Hebenton J. Plante L. Regan D. Harvey
1955-56 NHL Montreal Canadiens Detroit Red Wings J. Beliveau D. Reibel J. Plante G. Hall D. Harvey
1954-55 NHL Detroit Red Wings Montreal Canadiens T. Kennedy S. Smith T. Sawchuk E. Litzenberger D. Harvey
1953-54 NHL Detroit Red Wings Montreal Canadiens A. Rollins R. Kelly H. Lumley C. Henry R. Kelly
1952-53 NHL Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins G. Howe R. Kelly T. Sawchuk G. Worsley
1951-52 NHL Detroit Red Wings Montreal Canadiens G. Howe S. Smith T. Sawchuk B. Geoffrion
1950-51 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs Montreal Canadiens M. Schmidt R. Kelly A. Rollins T. Sawchuk
1949-50 NHL Detroit Red Wings New York Rangers C. Rayner E. Laprade B. Durnan J. Gelineau
1948-49 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings S. Abel B. Quackenbush B. Durnan P. Lund
1947-48 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings B. O'Connor B. O'Connor T. Broda J. McFadden
1946-47 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs Montreal Canadiens M. Richard B. Bauer B. Durnan H. Meeker
1945-46 NHL Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins M. Bentley T. Blake B. Durnan E. Laprade
1944-45 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings E. Lach B. Mosienko B. Durnan F. McCool
1943-44 NHL Montreal Canadiens Chicago Black Hawks B. Pratt C. Smith B. Durnan G. Bodnar
1942-43 NHL Detroit Red Wings Boston Bruins B. Cowley M. Bentley J. Mowers G. Stewart
1941-42 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs Detroit Red Wings T. Anderson S. Apps F. Brimsek G. Warwick
1940-41 NHL Boston Bruins Detroit Red Wings B. Cowley B. Bauer T. Broda J. Quilty
1939-40 NHL New York Rangers Toronto Maple Leafs E. Goodfellow B. Bauer D. Kerr K. MacDonald
1938-39 NHL Boston Bruins Toronto Maple Leafs T. Blake C. Smith F. Brimsek F. Brimsek
1937-38 NHL Chicago Black Hawks Toronto Maple Leafs E. Shore G. Drillon T. Thompson C. Dahlstrom
1936-37 NHL Detroit Red Wings New York Rangers B. Siebert M. Barry N. Smith S. Apps
1935-36 NHL Detroit Red Wings Toronto Maple Leafs E. Shore D. Romnes T. Thompson
1934-35 NHL Montreal Maroons Toronto Maple Leafs E. Shore F. Boucher L. Chabot
1933-34 NHL Chicago Black Hawks Detroit Red Wings A. Joliat F. Boucher C. Gardiner
1932-33 NHL New York Rangers Toronto Maple Leafs E. Shore F. Boucher T. Thompson
1931-32 NHL Toronto Maple Leafs New York Rangers H. Morenz J. Primeau C. Gardiner
1930-31 NHL Montreal Canadiens Chicago Black Hawks H. Morenz F. Boucher R. Worters
1929-30 NHL Montreal Canadiens Boston Bruins N. Stewart F. Boucher T. Thompson
1928-29 NHL Boston Bruins New York Rangers R. Worters F. Boucher G. Hainsworth
1927-28 NHL New York Rangers Montreal Maroons H. Morenz F. Boucher G. Hainsworth
1926-27 NHL Ottawa Senators Boston Bruins H. Gardiner B. Burch G. Hainsworth
1925-26 NHL Montreal Maroons Ottawa Senators N. Stewart F. Nighbor
1924-25 NHL Montreal Canadiens Hamilton Tigers B. Burch F. Nighbor
1923-24 NHL Montreal Canadiens Ottawa Senators F. Nighbor
1922-23 NHL Ottawa Senators Montreal Canadiens
1921-22 NHL Toronto St. Patricks Ottawa Senators
1920-21 NHL Ottawa Senators Toronto St. Patricks
1919-20 NHL Ottawa Senators
1918-19 NHL Montreal Canadiens Ottawa Senators
1917-18 NHL Toronto Arenas Montreal Canadiens
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I know who im going to call if I ever get to phone a friend on Millionaire lol
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Do you want me to tell you again what NFL Titles are ??? NATOIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE Championships !!! How many NFL TITLES ??? Quit !!! You have 4 !! No one gives a freak that you had an NFL Caliber MINOR League Team !!! And good lord I KNOW your "The Gipper" but did they even have Helmets in the 20 `s ??? Screw that. Modern Football is a different Game . I will Give you the 50`s. But Its its NOT an NFL Title we dont CARE !!!Yea, that minor League team whipped the NFL Champions 35-10 in their very first game in the NFL, and went on to appear in 7 or the next 8 championship games. Compared to the Browns, it was the NFL that was the Minor League.
(And as I have documented before, it was only Bert Bell's bitterness, resentment, and embarassment over that ass kicking as the motivation for the NFL's refusal to "recognize" the AAFC titles....The Browns didn't need his recognition...they just needed to kick the rest of the NFLs asses....and that they did.
And when you say that "Modern Football is a different game" then you have to start 'Modern Football" sometime in the mid 80s. That is when all the rules changes were made, when Free agency was instituted, when the new training and nutitional methods came about. The fact is, the football of the 70s was hardly changed at all from the football of the 40s and 50s. Example, the size of the Steeler offensive and defensive linemen of their 70s teams was on average almost exactly the same as the size of the Browns 40s and 50s linemen. However, compared to today, the Steelers linemen of that time are on average about 50-60 pounds lighter. The bump and run rules of course were eliminated in the early 80s (thus allowing the 49ers West Coast offenses to thrive. The offenses of the 70s were very similar to the 40s/50s offenses. Believe it or not, the one offense that was slightly different was the Browns offense....Otto Graham actually ran what amounted to a West Coast offense. I mean, Bill Walsh learned the WCO concepts when he was an assistant coach to Paul Brown.
In essence, if you want to discard older titles, you need to discard everything before about 1982 when the collective bargaining agreement began the Free Agency period.
Yea, that minor League team whipped the NFL Champions 35-10 in their very first game in the NFL, and went on to appear in 7 or the next 8 championship games. Compared to the Browns, it was the NFL that was the Minor League.
(And as I have documented before, it was only Bert Bell's bitterness, resentment, and embarassment over that ass kicking as the motivation for the NFL's refusal to "recognize" the AAFC titles....The Browns didn't need his recognition...they just needed to kick the rest of the NFLs asses....and that they did.
And when you say that "Modern Football is a different game" then you have to start 'Modern Football" sometime in the mid 80s. That is when all the rules changes were made, when Free agency was instituted, when the new training and nutitional methods came about. The fact is, the football of the 70s was hardly changed at all from the football of the 40s and 50s. Example, the size of the Steeler offensive and defensive linemen of their 70s teams was on average almost exactly the same as the size of the Browns 40s and 50s linemen. However, compared to today, the Steelers linemen of that time are on average about 50-60 pounds lighter. The bump and run rules of course were eliminated in the early 80s (thus allowing the 49ers West Coast offenses to thrive. The offenses of the 70s were very similar to the 40s/50s offenses. Believe it or not, the one offense that was slightly different was the Browns offense....Otto Graham actually ran what amounted to a West Coast offense. I mean, Bill Walsh learned the WCO concepts when he was an assistant coach to Paul Brown.
In essence, if you want to discard older titles, you need to discard everything before about 1982 when the collective bargaining agreement began the Free Agency period.
It doesnt Matter ...the AAFC Titles were NOT NFL Titles. You have 4. And you team was build through Money and recruiting to be an Instant success ... the power of Paul Brown at that time. Impressive yes it was . And Modern Football started when You had Helmets and Face masks. And NFL rules change EVERY YEAR Genius. I Told you agree to disagree. I think your wrong , you think I`m wrong. Oh well. Keep yapping all you want , it doesn't make you right , just obstinate !!! And it was MORE than Bert Bell OR THe NFL would have rectified that by now. Dream the hell on Gip... thats all you have .
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Formerly Stone said:
And they wonder why the rest of the league sees them as ignorant
Not to worry, she's probably tougher than most of them anyway!
Seriously, I have gone to the Browns/Steelers with my better half and we wore Steeler gear. There will be those assholes who will say something but just ignore them, don't be an ass yourself, and you will be fine.
my dad always said " if you argue with an idiot you become an idiot" It makes sense.
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Im going to the game on Dec. 10 my gf is a steelers fan. what are the do's and dont's for steelers fans to not do or say while there.
Really dont feel like getting into a fight.
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if you are scared buy a dog
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FormerlyStone, can't you keep this kid on a leash or something?
He's making the rest of you look bad.
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Im going to the game on Dec. 10 my gf is a steelers fan. what are the do's and dont's for steelers fans to not do or say while there.
Really dont feel like getting into a fight.
Im going to the game on Dec. 10 my gf is a steelers fan. what are the do's and dont's for steelers fans to not do or say while there.
Really dont feel like getting into a fight.
The only game I went to was back in the late 80's. I was walking through a bunch of people tailgating (with my boomer esiason jersey on). Someone shouted "the bengals suck". I walked over to a group of guys where I thought it came from.
They were brown fans, some with that dog mask on their head. There were about 6-7 of them. I axed who yelled that. One drunkard stumbled foward and said "I did MF". I backed handed him and knocked a couple of his teeth out. As he sat on the ground sobbing, I said "does anyone else have anything to say?" No one said nothing. I said "I didn't think so" and walked on. Other than that I had a pretty good time.
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Im going to the game on Dec. 10 my gf is a steelers fan. what are the do's and dont's for steelers fans to not do or say while there.
Really dont feel like getting into a fight.
The only game I went to was back in the late 80's. I was walking through a bunch of people tailgating (with my boomer esiason jersey on). Someone shouted "the bengals suck". I walked over to a group of guys where I thought it came from.
They were brown fans, some with that dog mask on their head. There were about 6-7 of them. I axed who yelled that. One drunkard stumbled foward and said "I did MF". I backed handed him and knocked a couple of his teeth out. As he sat on the ground sobbing, I said "does anyone else have anything to say?" No one said nothing. I said "I didn't think so" and walked on. Other than that I had a pretty good time.
berniesipe said:
The only game I went to was back in the late 80's. I was walking through a bunch of people tailgating (with my boomer esiason jersey on). Someone shouted "the bengals suck". I walked over to a group of guys where I thought it came from.They were brown fans, some with that dog mask on their head. There were about 6-7 of them. I axed who yelled that. One drunkard stumbled foward and said "I did MF". I backed handed him and knocked a couple of his teeth out. As he sat on the ground sobbing, I said "does anyone else have anything to say?" No one said nothing. I said "I didn't think so" and walked on. Other than that I had a pretty good time.
The Bungles suck.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
FormerlyStone, can't you keep this kid on a leash or something?
He's making the rest of you look bad.
FormerlyStone, can't you keep this kid on a leash or something?
He's making the rest of you look bad.
Yea she is.
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berniesipe said:
The only game I went to was back in the late 80's. I was walking through a bunch of people tailgating (with my boomer esiason jersey on). Someone shouted "the bengals suck". I walked over to a group of guys where I thought it came from.They were brown fans, some with that dog mask on their head. There were about 6-7 of them. I axed who yelled that. One drunkard stumbled foward and said "I did MF". I backed handed him and knocked a couple of his teeth out. As he sat on the ground sobbing, I said "does anyone else have anything to say?" No one said nothing. I said "I didn't think so" and walked on. Other than that I had a pretty good time.
The Bungles suck.
The Bungles suck.
You should come over and start rooting for the bengals. At least we can beat the stoolers!
Carson palmer = league mvp!
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AAFC Titles were backyard football games with 7 crappy teams.
After claiming 12 or 13 so called championships you guys must have been good. Why have you never showed up in a Super Bowl if you were "so good?"
AAFC Titles were backyard football games with 7 crappy teams.
After claiming 12 or 13 so called championships you guys must have been good. Why have you never showed up in a Super Bowl if you were "so good?"
That was then, this is now. Yea, those teams were so crappy, all they did was whip the ass of the NFL teams just about each and every time they met.
If they were so crappy, how come the Steelers could never beat them?
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Yea, that minor League team whipped the NFL Champions 35-10 in their very first game in the NFL, and went on to appear in 7 or the next 8 championship games. Compared to the Browns, it was the NFL that was the Minor League.
(And as I have documented before, it was only Bert Bell's bitterness, resentment, and embarassment over that ass kicking as the motivation for the NFL's refusal to "recognize" the AAFC titles....The Browns didn't need his recognition...they just needed to kick the rest of the NFLs asses....and that they did.
And when you say that "Modern Football is a different game" then you have to start 'Modern Football" sometime in the mid 80s. That is when all the rules changes were made, when Free agency was instituted, when the new training and nutitional methods came about. The fact is, the football of the 70s was hardly changed at all from the football of the 40s and 50s. Example, the size of the Steeler offensive and defensive linemen of their 70s teams was on average almost exactly the same as the size of the Browns 40s and 50s linemen. However, compared to today, the Steelers linemen of that time are on average about 50-60 pounds lighter. The bump and run rules of course were eliminated in the early 80s (thus allowing the 49ers West Coast offenses to thrive. The offenses of the 70s were very similar to the 40s/50s offenses. Believe it or not, the one offense that was slightly different was the Browns offense....Otto Graham actually ran what amounted to a West Coast offense. I mean, Bill Walsh learned the WCO concepts when he was an assistant coach to Paul Brown.
In essence, if you want to discard older titles, you need to discard everything before about 1982 when the collective bargaining agreement began the Free Agency period.
It doesnt Matter ...the AAFC Titles were NOT NFL Titles. You have 4. And you team was build through Money and recruiting to be an Instant success ... the power of Paul Brown at that time. Impressive yes it was . And Modern Football started when You had Helmets and Face masks. And NFL rules change EVERY YEAR Genius. I Told you agree to disagree. I think your wrong , you think I`m wrong. Oh well. Keep yapping all you want , it doesn't make you right , just obstinate !!! And it was MORE than Bert Bell OR THe NFL would have rectified that by now. Dream the hell on Gip... thats all you have .
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
It doesnt Matter ...the AAFC Titles were NOT NFL Titles. You have 4. And you team was build through Money and recruiting to be an Instant success ... the power of Paul Brown at that time. Impressive yes it was . And Modern Football started when You had Helmets and Face masks. And NFL rules change EVERY YEAR Genius. I Told you agree to disagree. I think your wrong , you think I`m wrong. Oh well. Keep yapping all you want , it doesn't make you right , just obstinate !!! And it was MORE than Bert Bell OR THe NFL would have rectified that by now. Dream the hell on Gip... thats all you have .Its not an issue of right or wrong. It is an issue of fact. I have listed facts after facts after facts. I didn't create these facts.
I think perhaps you should peruse the lists I provided, and tell us which one of those should not count because they don't suit your myopic view.
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Formerly Stone said:
That's a rhetorical question, right?Besides, for the guys who can spin and twist reality like no other how bout this tid-bit.......the Browns only won three world "titles" (50, 54, and 55) not four! WOW! That's a long time ago! And these were back when there were four teams and they wore beanines instead of helmets. The Bills won the AFL title in 1964 so there was no undisputed champion. But Browns fans don't seem to think that should count.......gee go figure!
The Bills title in 1964 and in 1965 count just as much as the Steelers 2008 title, or the Browns 1964 title. It is the person who does NOT wish to recognize these titles who is the one who wishes to "twist reality".
Both the Browns and the Bills (and all the other AFL and NFL teams from 1960 to 1966 and the AAFC and NFL teams from 1946-1949) each get their due. They won the championship they won under the rules they were forced to play under at the time. Just as the ABA and NBA teams won titles under the rules in place at the time, just as the NHL and WHL teams won titles under rules that they were forced to play under at the time.
I am glad that all these leagues came together to resolve the question of dual championships and resolved to implement a system to determine a single champion, but, that doesn't mean the titles they won merely go away because of that resolution...or because your ilk is too ignorant to accept them. Your ignorance and prejudice doesn't determine anything but the state of your own mind. It has nothing to do with the reality of the world.
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