Mangina accuses Lions of cheating
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Seriously, this is sad. Pathetic even. There's no defending him anymore. Mangini needs to go.
Taken from http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/23/mangini...browns-assault/
Mangini Says Lions Faked Injuries to Slow Down Browns' Assault
Posted Nov 23, 2009 7:10PM By Bruce Ciskie (RSS feed)
Filed Under: Browns, Lions, NFL Injuries
There was little Sunday that matched the drama of the Cleveland-Detroit game. Yes, two 1-8 teams gave us a gripping game filled with highlights and lowlights from both sides.
After Matthew Stafford found Brandon Pettigrew for the game-winning touchdown on an untimed down that followed a defensive penalty, Browns coach Eric Mangini -- never one to shy away from controversy -- decided to accuse the Lions of faking injuries during the game.
Mangini brought it up after the game, then repeated the accusations Monday at his weekly press conference.
"There were multiple, multiple, multiple injuries throughout our no-huddle process," Mangini said Sunday.
Asked if he thought the Lions were trying to slow down the no-huddle, Mangini said, "They all came back. I have no idea."
Mangini brought up the accusation against Monday. When pressed on if he was really accusing the Lions of faking injuries, Mangini said, "I'm saying there were a lot of them."
The Browns were quite the offensive juggernaut Sunday. Brady Quinn threw for 301 yards and four touchdowns, and they did some serious damage with a 27-point first half. It was clearly the best the Browns have looked all season, which meant it was bound to go south at some point.
Mangini might have a point. Studying the official play-by-play for the game, there are six instances where play was stopped for a Detroit defensive injury. Four of those times, the Browns were working without a huddle. The play-by-play listed the returns of four players as "probable," and one was "questionable."
Schwartz scoffed at the notion during his Monday meeting with the media.
"He's way out of bounds on that," Schwartz said. "That couldn't be further than the truth. There was no need to do that to slow the pace down, because the officials were doing a really good job of standing over the ball for us and them.
"We used a lot of no-huddle also, and I thought that the crew did a really good job of making sure that substitutes were allowed to come from either side if the offense substituted. So that game was under control that way.
"There was no need to do any of that stuff. That couldn't be further from the truth."
Reality is that it's hard to imagine a coach using such a tactic during a game. Schwartz is surely looking for an edge to help his team, but it doesn't make any sense to have guys faking injuries. The Browns were effective moving the ball in the first half, no matter if they used a huddle or not. After the Lions made some adjustments at halftime, they were able to hold Cleveland to a single touchdown in the second half.
The inability of the Browns to put the game away had more to do with their own limitations than any sandbagging being done by the Lions.
Seriously, this is sad. Pathetic even. There's no defending him anymore. Mangini needs to go.
It really is quite amazing when you consider the track record... Schwartz and Mangini were apparently buddies and colleagues, going back to their first stint with the Browns under Belichick. Of course this is when Mangini and Kokinis became buddies.
Fast forward to 2009.
Mangini, having already thrown Belichick, head coach when he was with the Browns, under the bus with Spygate, something Jimmy Johnson admits was routine (as also confirmed as a practice going back to the 1950s (http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html))
Now Mangini throws another Browns colleague Jim Schwartz under the bus for fostering another age old practice of players taking every opportunity to catch a breather in a fast paced game...
And speaking of old Browns colleagues, whatever happened to good old "roomie" from his days with the Browns, George Kokinis? Last I heard he had gotten a pretty high level job thanks to his old friend and now head coach Eric Mangini.
How'd that work out?
Man, I would NOT want to be on Eric Mangini's Linked In network.
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Seriously, this is sad. Pathetic even. There's no defending him anymore. Mangini needs to go.
It really is quite amazing when you consider the track record... Schwartz and Mangini were apparently buddies and colleagues, going back to their first stint with the Browns under Belichick. Of course this is when Mangini and Kokinis became buddies.
Fast forward to 2009.
Mangini, having already thrown Belichick, head coach when he was with the Browns, under the bus with Spygate, something Jimmy Johnson admits was routine (as also confirmed as a practice going back to the 1950s (http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html))
Now Mangini throws another Browns colleague Jim Schwartz under the bus for fostering another age old practice of players taking every opportunity to catch a breather in a fast paced game...
And speaking of old Browns colleagues, whatever happened to good old "roomie" from his days with the Browns, George Kokinis? Last I heard he had gotten a pretty high level job thanks to his old friend and now head coach Eric Mangini.
How'd that work out?
Man, I would NOT want to be on Eric Mangini's Linked In network.
It really is quite amazing when you consider the track record... Schwartz and Mangini were apparently buddies and colleagues, going back to their first stint with the Browns under Belichick. Of course this is when Mangini and Kokinis became buddies.
Fast forward to 2009.
Mangini, having already thrown Belichick, head coach when he was with the Browns, under the bus with Spygate, something Jimmy Johnson admits was routine (as also confirmed as a practice going back to the 1950s (http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html))
Now Mangini throws another Browns colleague Jim Schwartz under the bus for fostering another age old practice of players taking every opportunity to catch a breather in a fast paced game...
And speaking of old Browns colleagues, whatever happened to good old "roomie" from his days with the Browns, George Kokinis? Last I heard he had gotten a pretty high level job thanks to his old friend and now head coach Eric Mangini.
How'd that work out?
Man, I would NOT want to be on Eric Mangini's Linked In network.
Exactly the comment I would expect from a Pats fan. Don't try to tell me that Spygate was acceptable behavior because others have done the same. Those others were f-ing cheaters as well.
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It really is quite amazing when you consider the track record... Schwartz and Mangini were apparently buddies and colleagues, going back to their first stint with the Browns under Belichick. Of course this is when Mangini and Kokinis became buddies.
Fast forward to 2009.
Mangini, having already thrown Belichick, head coach when he was with the Browns, under the bus with Spygate, something Jimmy Johnson admits was routine (as also confirmed as a practice going back to the 1950s (http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html))
Now Mangini throws another Browns colleague Jim Schwartz under the bus for fostering another age old practice of players taking every opportunity to catch a breather in a fast paced game...
And speaking of old Browns colleagues, whatever happened to good old "roomie" from his days with the Browns, George Kokinis? Last I heard he had gotten a pretty high level job thanks to his old friend and now head coach Eric Mangini.
How'd that work out?
Man, I would NOT want to be on Eric Mangini's Linked In network.
Exactly the comment I would expect from a Pats fan. Don't try to tell me that Spygate was acceptable behavior because others have done the same. Those others were f-ing cheaters as well.
Exactly the comment I would expect from a Pats fan. Don't try to tell me that Spygate was acceptable behavior because others have done the same. Those others were f-ing cheaters as well.
Then you absolutely don't want to know that the NFL named the AFC Championship Trophy in honor of one of the original and best "cheaters" in the league... the godfather of spying if you willl...
Just warning you... do NOT read this article if you prefer to operate under your current delusion.
http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stori...aug-nflspy.html
Why don't you just go back to advocating that the Pass Interference rule should have been suspended for the 2nd to last play of the game like everyone else around here!!! THAT wouldn't be cheating of course.
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Exactly the comment I would expect from a Pats fan. Don't try to tell me that Spygate was acceptable behavior because others have done the same. Those others were f-ing cheaters as well.
Then you absolutely don't want to know that the NFL named the AFC Championship Trophy in honor of one of the original and best "cheaters" in the league... the godfather of spying if you willl...
Just warning you... do NOT read this article if you prefer to operate under your current delusion.
http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stori...aug-nflspy.html
Why don't you just go back to advocating that the Pass Interference rule should have been suspended for the 2nd to last play of the game like everyone else around here!!! THAT wouldn't be cheating of course.
Why don't you just go back to advocating that the Pass Interference rule should have been suspended for the 2nd to last play of the game like everyone else around here!!! THAT wouldn't be cheating of course.
Why dont you go back to blowing tricks under a bridge to support your drug addiction. Least it will give you something to do in your lonely life so you get off the BROWNS BOARD you closet fan.
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Formerly Stone said:
And how have all those early worked for you so far?Come on, we all know you like the Browns. It's just your ego cant handle losing so you pretend to be a fan of whatever team is winning this week right? I mean after all, you do hang out on a BROWNS BOARD reading and talking to BROWNS FANS as opposed to talking to fans of whatever team you claim. It's pretty pathetic actually. Keep going though. Im still laughing at your FAILED attempt.
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Where does he accuse them of cheating? Mary Kay is inferring that. It's a fair point. It's not one I PERSONALLY would take to the bank but the press is fishing here.
its all over the web. he is accusing them of faking injuries. what a loser. also says that tackling a receiver in the end zone is not a penalty. at least with the lions we have something to look forward too. the browns are the worse franchise in sports. the coach has to be the biggest loser in the world. makes me wonder if the injuries that stopped the clock with the browns were faked? usually the accuser is the worst. all i know is that Cleveland sucks. period.
its all over the web. he is accusing them of faking injuries. what a loser. also says that tackling a receiver in the end zone is not a penalty. at least with the lions we have something to look forward too. the browns are the worse franchise in sports. the coach has to be the biggest loser in the world. makes me wonder if the injuries that stopped the clock with the browns were faked? usually the accuser is the worst. all i know is that Cleveland sucks. period.
When a QB leaves the pocket, a play is considered "busted", and a defensive player is allowed to force a receiver out of bounds. This way, the receiver cannot be the first to touch the ball upon re-entering the field of play. What is illegal, however, is continuing to push a receiver out of bounds when he is trying to make a play on the ball. Although, to tell you the truth, the receiver in question wasn't really attempting to make a play on the ball so much as he was just throwing his hands in the air and complaining.Either way, screw you Hank Poteat.
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All Mangini said might even be correct, but the question remains the same: when you're 1-9 and you lose to another 1-9 team with such a stupid mistake at the end of the game (not to mention you call time out in a questionable moment), how on earth can you even think of saying to the media "we were robbed"?
Come on! A bit of dignity would not do you any harm, Coach.
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How about ditching the vagina reference??
We do have women who read the board....are you 15 yet??
How about ditching the vagina reference??
We do have women who read the board....are you 15 yet??
Thank you. As a female, I put up with a lot on this board without complaint but I will (and have), without hesitation, delete crude references to female body parts.
Woof Woof, Kathy http://cognitivemanifesto.com/ http://www.skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=49&officeID=9 Bendix ESP -
how about instead of saying the other team cheated, you own up to your team blowing a 24-3 lead against a 1-8 team. how about you explain why after your offense scores three times on deep passes you switch to running the ball for the most of the remaining game. how about you address why you went into the prevent defense not only during the last drive of the game, but the second quarter. how about you didn't challenge a botched spot on 4th and inches. how about you explain why you called a time out before the last play of the game, allowing the other team's qb to come back on the field. let's start there first eric.
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Thank you. As a female, I put up with a lot on this board without complaint but I will (and have), without hesitation, delete crude references to female body parts.
i have to admit that when i first heard of the name mangina i really liked it and thought it was funny. i guess i never really thought of how offensive it was to women. instead let's go with can't-gini because he can't do anything right.
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How about ditching the vagina reference??
We do have women who read the board....are you 15 yet??
How about ditching the vagina reference??
We do have women who read the board....are you 15 yet??
Shep and mz the pussy are gone.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Seriously, this is sad. Pathetic even. There's no defending him anymore. Mangini needs to go.
Taken from http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/23/mangini...browns-assault/
Mangini Says Lions Faked Injuries to Slow Down Browns' Assault
Posted Nov 23, 2009 7:10PM By Bruce Ciskie (RSS feed)
Filed Under: Browns, Lions, NFL Injuries
There was little Sunday that matched the drama of the Cleveland-Detroit game. Yes, two 1-8 teams gave us a gripping game filled with highlights and lowlights from both sides.
After Matthew Stafford found Brandon Pettigrew for the game-winning touchdown on an untimed down that followed a defensive penalty, Browns coach Eric Mangini -- never one to shy away from controversy -- decided to accuse the Lions of faking injuries during the game.
Mangini brought it up after the game, then repeated the accusations Monday at his weekly press conference.
"There were multiple, multiple, multiple injuries throughout our no-huddle process," Mangini said Sunday.
Asked if he thought the Lions were trying to slow down the no-huddle, Mangini said, "They all came back. I have no idea."
Mangini brought up the accusation against Monday. When pressed on if he was really accusing the Lions of faking injuries, Mangini said, "I'm saying there were a lot of them."
The Browns were quite the offensive juggernaut Sunday. Brady Quinn threw for 301 yards and four touchdowns, and they did some serious damage with a 27-point first half. It was clearly the best the Browns have looked all season, which meant it was bound to go south at some point.
Mangini might have a point. Studying the official play-by-play for the game, there are six instances where play was stopped for a Detroit defensive injury. Four of those times, the Browns were working without a huddle. The play-by-play listed the returns of four players as "probable," and one was "questionable."
Schwartz scoffed at the notion during his Monday meeting with the media.
"He's way out of bounds on that," Schwartz said. "That couldn't be further than the truth. There was no need to do that to slow the pace down, because the officials were doing a really good job of standing over the ball for us and them.
"We used a lot of no-huddle also, and I thought that the crew did a really good job of making sure that substitutes were allowed to come from either side if the offense substituted. So that game was under control that way.
"There was no need to do any of that stuff. That couldn't be further from the truth."
Reality is that it's hard to imagine a coach using such a tactic during a game. Schwartz is surely looking for an edge to help his team, but it doesn't make any sense to have guys faking injuries. The Browns were effective moving the ball in the first half, no matter if they used a huddle or not. After the Lions made some adjustments at halftime, they were able to hold Cleveland to a single touchdown in the second half.
The inability of the Browns to put the game away had more to do with their own limitations than any sandbagging being done by the Lions.
Seriously, this is sad. Pathetic even. There's no defending him anymore. Mangini needs to go.
Taken from http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/23/mangini...browns-assault/
Grow up kid.
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Seriously, this is sad. Pathetic even. There's no defending him anymore. Mangini needs to go.
Taken from http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/23/mangini...browns-assault/
Mangini Says Lions Faked Injuries to Slow Down Browns' Assault
Posted Nov 23, 2009 7:10PM By Bruce Ciskie (RSS feed)
Filed Under: Browns, Lions, NFL Injuries
There was little Sunday that matched the drama of the Cleveland-Detroit game. Yes, two 1-8 teams gave us a gripping game filled with highlights and lowlights from both sides.
After Matthew Stafford found Brandon Pettigrew for the game-winning touchdown on an untimed down that followed a defensive penalty, Browns coach Eric Mangini -- never one to shy away from controversy -- decided to accuse the Lions of faking injuries during the game.
Mangini brought it up after the game, then repeated the accusations Monday at his weekly press conference.
"There were multiple, multiple, multiple injuries throughout our no-huddle process," Mangini said Sunday.
Asked if he thought the Lions were trying to slow down the no-huddle, Mangini said, "They all came back. I have no idea."
Mangini brought up the accusation against Monday. When pressed on if he was really accusing the Lions of faking injuries, Mangini said, "I'm saying there were a lot of them."
The Browns were quite the offensive juggernaut Sunday. Brady Quinn threw for 301 yards and four touchdowns, and they did some serious damage with a 27-point first half. It was clearly the best the Browns have looked all season, which meant it was bound to go south at some point.
Mangini might have a point. Studying the official play-by-play for the game, there are six instances where play was stopped for a Detroit defensive injury. Four of those times, the Browns were working without a huddle. The play-by-play listed the returns of four players as "probable," and one was "questionable."
Schwartz scoffed at the notion during his Monday meeting with the media.
"He's way out of bounds on that," Schwartz said. "That couldn't be further than the truth. There was no need to do that to slow the pace down, because the officials were doing a really good job of standing over the ball for us and them.
"We used a lot of no-huddle also, and I thought that the crew did a really good job of making sure that substitutes were allowed to come from either side if the offense substituted. So that game was under control that way.
"There was no need to do any of that stuff. That couldn't be further from the truth."
Reality is that it's hard to imagine a coach using such a tactic during a game. Schwartz is surely looking for an edge to help his team, but it doesn't make any sense to have guys faking injuries. The Browns were effective moving the ball in the first half, no matter if they used a huddle or not. After the Lions made some adjustments at halftime, they were able to hold Cleveland to a single touchdown in the second half.
The inability of the Browns to put the game away had more to do with their own limitations than any sandbagging being done by the Lions.
Seriously, this is sad. Pathetic even. There's no defending him anymore. Mangini needs to go.
Taken from http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/23/mangini...browns-assault/
The local media and most of you so called fans are really what's pathetic. This guy has been here for 10 games, trying to make something out of a bunch of crap, and everybody hates him. No matter what he does, it's blown out of proportion to suit the media's agenda, which is to run another coach out of town. Where does all this end? What's the plan here? To go through any number of coaches until we find one who is acceptable to the media? That will never happen. They need to sell newspapers, and it's very boring if you are not a Superbowl team, unless you can create some drama. I don't like everything Mangini has done, but you people who want him gone are ridiculous. What you have to consider is this...like it or not, Mangini has forgotten more about football than most of us will ever know. He's a NFL head coach, and he is not involved in some master conspiracy to keep the Cleveland Browns losing forever. Whatever happened to supporting your team's coach, when the media starts crap? Why do all you people just pile on? When you find a guy to replace Mangini, who guarantees that he can turn this team into a Superbowl contender immediately after a 4 -12 season, let me know. I'm all for it, but until you find that guy, I'm willing to give Mangini a chance.
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Of course they were faking injuries..you have to be an idiot not to have seen that...Detriot got away with it
so good for them. How many jump balls in the end zone have you seen where guys are absolutely mauling
each other..everytime right... and do they ever call a penalty...NO-NO-NO..The ball was short of the guy who was 'interfered' with and it was picked off.
Mary Kay said on her TV show "The Browns Red Zone" (which by the way is unwatchable.Can the heavy set guy with
Mary Kay get a sports jacket that fits?.).jeez.. MKC said "its not fair how the national media piles on Mangini" when she is
ALWAYS starting the drama with her'opinion..She's a big phoney if you ask me and is looking for a national spotlight when she
is the most unknowledgeable "REPORTER" about actual football I've ever read..anywhere
The Browns put up 37 points and Quinn had a good day
The secondary let us down for sure, but damn man I was on the edge of my seat and screaming and cheering for 60
entertaining minutes of exciting football.. I know a loss is a loss but I see some good things happening.GO BROWNS
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what you have to understand is mangini is used to the exact opposite. he usually cheats the other way. he has his players play even when they are hurt and doesn't report it to the league. it's a hobby of his.
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Mangini needs to figure out how to have a respectable and workable professional relationship. I do think another year at the coaching helm (with a strong and proven football czar overseeing him, like Holmgren) is probably warranted.
We lost on Sunday, and it sucks, but it was a great football game and the Browns looked competitive for the first time in a while.
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Seriously, this is sad. Pathetic even. There's no defending him anymore. Mangini needs to go.
It really is quite amazing when you consider the track record... Schwartz and Mangini were apparently buddies and colleagues, going back to their first stint with the Browns under Belichick. Of course this is when Mangini and Kokinis became buddies.
Fast forward to 2009.
Mangini, having already thrown Belichick, head coach when he was with the Browns, under the bus with Spygate, something Jimmy Johnson admits was routine (as also confirmed as a practice going back to the 1950s (http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html))
Now Mangini throws another Browns colleague Jim Schwartz under the bus for fostering another age old practice of players taking every opportunity to catch a breather in a fast paced game...
And speaking of old Browns colleagues, whatever happened to good old "roomie" from his days with the Browns, George Kokinis? Last I heard he had gotten a pretty high level job thanks to his old friend and now head coach Eric Mangini.
How'd that work out?
Man, I would NOT want to be on Eric Mangini's Linked In network.
It really is quite amazing when you consider the track record... Schwartz and Mangini were apparently buddies and colleagues, going back to their first stint with the Browns under Belichick. Of course this is when Mangini and Kokinis became buddies.
Fast forward to 2009.
Mangini, having already thrown Belichick, head coach when he was with the Browns, under the bus with Spygate, something Jimmy Johnson admits was routine (as also confirmed as a practice going back to the 1950s (http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html))
Now Mangini throws another Browns colleague Jim Schwartz under the bus for fostering another age old practice of players taking every opportunity to catch a breather in a fast paced game...
And speaking of old Browns colleagues, whatever happened to good old "roomie" from his days with the Browns, George Kokinis? Last I heard he had gotten a pretty high level job thanks to his old friend and now head coach Eric Mangini.
How'd that work out?
Man, I would NOT want to be on Eric Mangini's Linked In network.
I would guess that he expects his friends not to cheat against him. Because real friends wouldn't.
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My thinking is that if it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its a duck. The answer is, sure, the Lions were faking injuries.....quack quack.
But how did that affect the fact that our defense played so horrendously in that game. Our DBs should be carrying red capes because they played like matadors to the Lions receivers. We have GOT to improve those guys next year. Eric Berry of Tennessee would be a very smart choice...if King Kong Suh from Nebraska is not there for them to pick. (at this point, the Browns may have their choice...i.e. #1 overall, it is between them, the Bucs, and the Rams)
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I want to know why he is accusing the lions of cheating, when he should be accusing the defense of playing like a pile of shit the whole game.
Our defense is what lost this game, not injuries, regardless of if they were real or fake.
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