Too soon for draft talk??
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This guy confirms what I think of Rey Rey. He's more hype than substance.
JL may think too much at times, that's legit and I agree with it. However, a lot has to do with the defense he's in. He can't make mistakes without much line help, so he doesn't get to pin his ears back as much.
Also agree about Jenkins, he is going to be a stud. People forget how big he is, too.
Al, you're great to have on board man.
This guy confirms what I think of Rey Rey. He's more hype than substance.
Part of the reason why I lean towards Curry over Rey Rey is because of comments like these (and yours).
Both guys should be good 3-4 ILB's, so why not go with the guy who seems less likely to be a bust?
Also, I think Curry's a little more versatile. If we end up switching to a 4-3, I'd much prefer to have a quick, smart guy like Curry over a guy who, while great playing down-hill, often over pursues and isn't as good in coverage.
Also agree about Jenkins, he is going to be a stud. People forget how big he is, too.
Yeah. I think it's a rarity that you can get a guy who not only has the potential to be a shutdown corner, but also has the potential to be a pretty good safety.
Though I'd prefer we go LB in Round 1, I understand the appeal of bringing in a guy who could fix whatever problem we have in our secondary, whether it be at CB or safety (assuming Pool would move to SS).
Also, I love it when a DB can blitz.
Gotta love the hustle on that play.
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Great thread guys and good info.
Regarding a couple players mentioned: I can never find it in me to underestimate a Mathews. That family has genes that should be cloned, so I would expect the kid to get better and better as he gets older, but that's just supposition.
Not to harp on Laurinaitis because of my bias for OSU, but I wasn't really referring to the Browns taking him to play next to Jackson. However, now that it's been brought up, the kid can tackle and is athletic. Plus, I feel this size thing at ILB is grossly overrated. I've seen JL take on two linemen at once, stand them up and make the tackle 2 yards downfield. One thing is for sure, that garbage that happened the other night would not have happened to him if he was involved. The kid is a great tackler, doesn't over pursue and takes correct angles.
So much of playing ILB nowadays is playing smart in coverage and the open field, which we are putrid at. Leon Williams is absolutely clueless out there in coverage. He will drop too deep with nobody around him and allow an underneath route right in front of him with all sorts of cushion. Of course, then he can't close on the tackle since he leaves so much space. Honestly, I want football players back there, not video game robots with the proper "size and speed", of which JL's not lacking much. Doug Lesmerises (OSU Dealer Beat Writer) wrote a very convincing article awhile back on why JL is great and not just good. I'll see if I can dig it up, but it correlates to a lot of my beliefs. Also, keep in mind JL is not playing behind a good dline at OSU, not even close. They are almost woeful at the interior positions and nobody demands double teams. I watch a lot of DVR'd games and pay close attention to JL, rarely do I see him make a mistake.
Regarding Maualuga, I feel he may be more hype than what he is. Reason I say that is I don't see him being real instinctual and I believe he will be the type that is out of position a lot but make the occasional big play that stands out. Really, the key to good linebacking is consistency, and I'm not sure he is that. I'll be serious to see what his combine numbers are as far as explosiveness and shuttle speed. I'll venture to guess JL has better numbers overall.
Great thread guys and good info.
Regarding a couple players mentioned: I can never find it in me to underestimate a Mathews. That family has genes that should be cloned, so I would expect the kid to get better and better as he gets older, but that's just supposition.
Not to harp on Laurinaitis because of my bias for OSU, but I wasn't really referring to the Browns taking him to play next to Jackson. However, now that it's been brought up, the kid can tackle and is athletic. Plus, I feel this size thing at ILB is grossly overrated. I've seen JL take on two linemen at once, stand them up and make the tackle 2 yards downfield. One thing is for sure, that garbage that happened the other night would not have happened to him if he was involved. The kid is a great tackler, doesn't over pursue and takes correct angles.
So much of playing ILB nowadays is playing smart in coverage and the open field, which we are putrid at. Leon Williams is absolutely clueless out there in coverage. He will drop too deep with nobody around him and allow an underneath route right in front of him with all sorts of cushion. Of course, then he can't close on the tackle since he leaves so much space. Honestly, I want football players back there, not video game robots with the proper "size and speed", of which JL's not lacking much. Doug Lesmerises (OSU Dealer Beat Writer) wrote a very convincing article awhile back on why JL is great and not just good. I'll see if I can dig it up, but it correlates to a lot of my beliefs. Also, keep in mind JL is not playing behind a good dline at OSU, not even close. They are almost woeful at the interior positions and nobody demands double teams. I watch a lot of DVR'd games and pay close attention to JL, rarely do I see him make a mistake.
Regarding Maualuga, I feel he may be more hype than what he is. Reason I say that is I don't see him being real instinctual and I believe he will be the type that is out of position a lot but make the occasional big play that stands out. Really, the key to good linebacking is consistency, and I'm not sure he is that. I'll be serious to see what his combine numbers are as far as explosiveness and shuttle speed. I'll venture to guess JL has better numbers overall.
How can you say size at ILB is over rated?? Didn't the Steelers absolutely WASTE a pick on a skinny ILB from Kent State some years ago?....Boy, that lightweight Lambert kid would never amount to anything!!...Just the HOF, that's all! I agree with you...I call it the "double I"...Intelligence & Intensity, & that's JL. I also agree with the Mathews kid...what lineage HE has!
Mike
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good to know that i wasn't crazy when i was watching USC against stanford. maualuga didn't show up a lot for me. the guy i saw making the most plays was 26, will harris.
brian cushing made his fair share of plays during the course of the game and can also play multiple positions; he'll be in there no matter what defensive style we play. he just makes plays no matter where he is on the field and that's something that's valuable no matter what position a player's at.
his durability is a concern, though.
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Great thread guys and good info.
Regarding a couple players mentioned: I can never find it in me to underestimate a Mathews. That family has genes that should be cloned, so I would expect the kid to get better and better as he gets older, but that's just supposition.
Not to harp on Laurinaitis because of my bias for OSU, but I wasn't really referring to the Browns taking him to play next to Jackson. However, now that it's been brought up, the kid can tackle and is athletic. Plus, I feel this size thing at ILB is grossly overrated. I've seen JL take on two linemen at once, stand them up and make the tackle 2 yards downfield. One thing is for sure, that garbage that happened the other night would not have happened to him if he was involved. The kid is a great tackler, doesn't over pursue and takes correct angles.
So much of playing ILB nowadays is playing smart in coverage and the open field, which we are putrid at. Leon Williams is absolutely clueless out there in coverage. He will drop too deep with nobody around him and allow an underneath route right in front of him with all sorts of cushion. Of course, then he can't close on the tackle since he leaves so much space. Honestly, I want football players back there, not video game robots with the proper "size and speed", of which JL's not lacking much. Doug Lesmerises (OSU Dealer Beat Writer) wrote a very convincing article awhile back on why JL is great and not just good. I'll see if I can dig it up, but it correlates to a lot of my beliefs. Also, keep in mind JL is not playing behind a good dline at OSU, not even close. They are almost woeful at the interior positions and nobody demands double teams. I watch a lot of DVR'd games and pay close attention to JL, rarely do I see him make a mistake.
Regarding Maualuga, I feel he may be more hype than what he is. Reason I say that is I don't see him being real instinctual and I believe he will be the type that is out of position a lot but make the occasional big play that stands out. Really, the key to good linebacking is consistency, and I'm not sure he is that. I'll be serious to see what his combine numbers are as far as explosiveness and shuttle speed. I'll venture to guess JL has better numbers overall.
Doug Lesmerises (OSU Dealer Beat Writer) wrote a very convincing article awhile back on why JL is great and not just good. I'll see if I can dig it up, but it correlates to a lot of my beliefs. Also, keep in mind JL is not playing behind a good dline at OSU, not even close. They are almost woeful at the interior positions and nobody demands double teams. I watch a lot of DVR'd games and pay close attention to JL, rarely do I see him make a mistake.
Lesmerises did the whole talk to an NFL scout thing on his blog, and here's what the scout said about Laurinaitis:
"He's similar to A.J. Hawk and I was a big fan of A.J. Hawk. I probably liked Hawk a little more than I like Laurinaitis. In a 3-4, when that guard is uncovered and he has to deal with an NFL guard coming down on him, he's not getting off that block and he isn't making a lot of plays. In a 4-3 that's closer to what they play in Columbus, he should be the player he has been in college, which is a really instinctive guy.
"I don't know that he hurt himself coming back. I'll say this about these guys that came back, I think that shows something about their character. They're doing it for the right reasons and their love of Ohio State, and I think sometimes these kids forget that the people drafting them are football coaches, we're football people, and we don't want you jumping ship on your team, because we're drafting you to play on our team. We want guys who've got their chips all in. And I think all those things helps these guys."
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Regarding Maualuga, I feel he may be more hype than what he is. Reason I say that is I don't see him being real instinctual and I believe he will be the type that is out of position a lot but make the occasional big play that stands out. Really, the key to good linebacking is consistency, and I'm not sure he is that. I'll be serious to see what his combine numbers are as far as explosiveness and shuttle speed. I'll venture to guess JL has better numbers overall.
Disagree entirely! I think he is super instinctual and makes plays...i think flugs said wow factor. JL rarely makes me say wow...mostly wtf....he is AD in disquise. ha ha not that bad but he's not Patrick Willis or even curtis lofton or Beason for that matter. just my opinion
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Wells too injury prone for me that high, Orakpo IS the real deal but we desperately need Help up the middle.
Rey 09"
Wells too injury prone for me that high, Orakpo IS the real deal but we desperately need Help up the middle.
Rey 09"
I ALSO hope we draft a Rb as high as second round ,depending, If Cj. spillar would fall to us in second ,depending on whats left at that point....I'd be inclined to take him.
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It all depends on where we draft, who enters the draft, and who is available when we draft.
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It all depends on where we draft, who enters the draft, and who is available when we draft.
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TFY has a good rundown on which juniors are planning on declaring for the draft.
Here are their reports on some of the big name backs and receivers:
RB:
Chris Wells/Ohio State: Underclassmen leave Columbus with regularity and Wells will be no exception. A number of people have told us he will opt for the draft after the team's bowl game and most scouts feel as we do- Wells will be the first back drafted.
Knowshon Moreno/Georgia: Like his quarterback Moreno is almost certainly headed for the NFL at seasons end. A number of sources alerted us to this months ago.
LeSean McCoy/Pittsburgh: The scales are tilted that McCoy will enter the draft after the season. Several sources have confirmed this.
Shonn Greene/Iowa: Greene is almost certain to enter the draft after his brilliant campaign. His combination of size and speed have scouts excited though many are concerned about his inexperience.
Donald Brown/UConn: The Husky back will explore all his options but is leaning towards entering the draft, and why not? This could be hastened if coach Randy Edsall takes another job.
C.J. Spiller/Clemson: Many in Greeneville we've spoken with have told us Spiller is likely to enter the draft, which would be a surprise considering the injuries and inconsistent play this year.
WR:
Michael Crabtree/Texas Tech: College football's most dominant receiver will enter the draft, according to sources. He's a top ten selection and the faster he runs the earlier he will be drafted.
Jeremy Maclin/Missouri: Maclin is another Big 12 underclassman receiver who will leave for the draft. He's expected to receive a first round grade from the advisory committee.
Darius Heyward-Bey/Maryland: Heyward-Bey is likely on his way to the NFL according to sources. His production has picked up recently after a slow start and Heyward-Bey is expected to be one of the fastest receivers in next April's draft.
Percy Harvin/Florida: Harvin will explore his options but most familiar with the UF program feel he will enter the draft.
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english's measurables look good. i'd like to see him in a game.
everette brown's three-game stretch is something i've heard quite a bit about. he definitely has the ability to be dominant, he needs needs to be consistent. against boston college, he didn't show up while i was watching.
forgot that selvie's been hurt. is probably good for us: gives us a better chance to snag him.
i agree that we need someone big inside with d'qwell. laurinaitis isn't that guy.
i like seeing reports on people like english, guys who aren't from big-time programs. LB and RB are the positions i think it's most likely to find late-round steals for. let's hope bell can be one of those steals and let us concentrate on safety and pass rush in the first two rounds this year.
english's measurables look good.
SI's got some great info:
Larry English/DE-OLB/Northern Illinois: The Huskies' dynamic pass rusher has impressed scouts the past two years with his ability to disrupt the action. English, a terrific athlete, is expected to light up the combine next February with his workout. His play late in the game last week against Central Michigan helped spur an NIU comeback that forced the game into overtime.
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Everybody I have talked to seem to feel Harvin will declare after this season.
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Maybe a way to defuse all the negativity on these boards is to look ahead to the draft.
What negativity? We're in the playoff hunt and going to kick some Texan arse this weekend!
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What are his measurables like? I always thought he was too small. Then again, I thought Steve Slaton was too small and he's tearing it up for the Texans.
Harvin's listed at 5'11", 195 lbs. Slaton measured in a 5'9", 197 lbs. at the Combine (I also thought he was too small for the NFL).
However, one key difference is that Harvin projects more to receiver in the NFL. And not only does he lack experience playing wideout full-time; scouts also question whether he's strong enough to effectively break the jam.
Add in the durability issue, and you've got some major concerns there. I still like Harvin, but I definitely understand why his ceiling seems to be mid-late Round 1.
Then again, a low 4.30's 40 at the Combine could change things...
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I'm not a big fan of Dan Pompei's draft stuff, but his senior OLB rankings are interesting.
Here are his top four guys:
1. Aaron Curry, Wake Forest. A big (6-foot-3-inch, 247-pound), fast, explosive player who can change a defense. Can play inside or outside. Plays with passion.
2. Brian Cushing, Southern California. Has size (6-4, 255), speed and instincts. Can play any linebacker position in any system. Reminiscent of Bill Romanowski.
3. Clay Matthews, Southern California. Has elevated his draft stock with a great senior season. High-effort player can pass-rush. Father with the same name starred at New Trier and played 19 seasons in the NFL.
4. Clint Sintim, Virginia. Good pass rusher who would fit in a 3-4 scheme. Also could be considered inside. Has an impressive physique.
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I could definately see him as a slot receiver/punt returner for some team, with them finding innovative ways to get the ball in his hands. Sort of like NO does with Reggie Bush.
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Maybe a way to defuse all the negativity on these boards is to look ahead to the draft.
Predict what pick the Browns might have and who might be there.
Who's coming out early? What do we have for trade bait that other team want(hehe).
I'm thinking we move up a few picks by offering a few current players.
Maybe a way to defuse all the negativity on these boards is to look ahead to the draft.
That's pretty funny. You REALLY think anything can defuse negativity on this board? HAHHAHAH. I guess you have not been here very long. Now I just registered under a new name due to some computer issues, but I have been around here for a while... This board THRIVES on negativity... There would BE no board but for negativity... So now that I am done stating the obvious..
1st round Runningback, Inside OL position in the top 3.. We have to run the ball, protect the QB, We need to get more, more, more , did I say MORE! on the DL, and then the rest of the defense. I believe we need to go back to a 4-3 then the linebackers we currently have on the roster become a strength..
We need to get depth at wr somewhere too.. Anyway we can get about 16 draft picks??? Good thing we have some cap space because we need more help than just the draft will bring.. This team is not far off, but there are some glaring weaknesses... But we must beef up in the trenches.. no doubt about that. Tucker looks like he is done, Frahley struggles against good DT's.. we stupidly traded Faine when he fell out of favor (who is now playing pro bowl ball)..So a stud Center is higher on my wish list than a guard... there is Zero in the free agent market for RB's, and slim at wr though lance moore would be very very high on my list.
But then I wanted adrian peterson last year so I doubt I will get the runningback or center this year either.. but those would be 2 of my top 4 picks..1st round definately at running back
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