Qb Comparison against the same team
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Cribbs sucks as a reciever, or should I say ..still sucks as a reciever. he's innefective in the WildDawg. Harrison falls down when a fingernail touches him. He's afflicted with the dropsies too and I now understand why he was inactive last week...they should have left him there. Jennings looked tenative hitting the hole. ..I would have liked to see him get a few more touches... Jamal lewis is STILL our best runningback and that's pathetic. The pass protection was lousy. Run blocking was decent... The playcalling was ok except for a couple 3rd and longs where we were too conservative. Quinn was hot and cold.. threw some very nice balls but was behind the recievers too much.. recievers still need work reading the defenses and when to cut off routes... they don't know the offense well enough yet(momass/stuckey) . Why Cribbs is on the field as a WR instead of Furry is baffling.. Cribbs is terrible.
Defensively the run defense is pathetic for the 11thousanth game/season in a row. The secondary did pretty darned good.. Our pass rush was better. If we don't get some defensive ends next year it will be more of the same.. teams just run the ball and run clock on us. In our division we must get better in the front 3.. and front 7 overall..but our DE's are pathetic. They got pushed around all day in the run game. Kept Palmer to 107 yards passing.. but that's not a good stat since we let then run the ball at will and he did not need to throw in order to beat us.
Not many positives to take from this game...
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Cribbs sucks as a reciever, or should I say ..still sucks as a reciever. he's innefective in the WildDawg. Harrison falls down when a fingernail touches him. He's afflicted with the dropsies too and I now understand why he was inactive last week...they should have left him there. Jennings looked tenative hitting the hole. ..I would have liked to see him get a few more touches... Jamal lewis is STILL our best runningback and that's pathetic. The pass protection was lousy. Run blocking was decent... The playcalling was ok except for a couple 3rd and longs where we were too conservative. Quinn was hot and cold.. threw some very nice balls but was behind the recievers too much.. recievers still need work reading the defenses and when to cut off routes... they don't know the offense well enough yet(momass/stuckey) . Why Cribbs is on the field as a WR instead of Furry is baffling.. Cribbs is terrible.
Defensively the run defense is pathetic for the 11thousanth game/season in a row. The secondary did pretty darned good.. Our pass rush was better. If we don't get some defensive ends next year it will be more of the same.. teams just run the ball and run clock on us. In our division we must get better in the front 3.. and front 7 overall..but our DE's are pathetic. They got pushed around all day in the run game. Kept Palmer to 107 yards passing.. but that's not a good stat since we let then run the ball at will and he did not need to throw in order to beat us.
Not many positives to take from this game...
Cribbs sucks as a reciever, or should I say ..still sucks as a reciever. he's innefective in the WildDawg. Harrison falls down when a fingernail touches him. He's afflicted with the dropsies too and I now understand why he was inactive last week...they should have left him there. Jennings looked tenative hitting the hole. ..I would have liked to see him get a few more touches... Jamal lewis is STILL our best runningback and that's pathetic. The pass protection was lousy. Run blocking was decent... The playcalling was ok except for a couple 3rd and longs where we were too conservative. Quinn was hot and cold.. threw some very nice balls but was behind the recievers too much.. recievers still need work reading the defenses and when to cut off routes... they don't know the offense well enough yet(momass/stuckey) . Why Cribbs is on the field as a WR instead of Furry is baffling.. Cribbs is terrible.
Defensively the run defense is pathetic for the 11thousanth game/season in a row. The secondary did pretty darned good.. Our pass rush was better. If we don't get some defensive ends next year it will be more of the same.. teams just run the ball and run clock on us. In our division we must get better in the front 3.. and front 7 overall..but our DE's are pathetic. They got pushed around all day in the run game. Kept Palmer to 107 yards passing.. but that's not a good stat since we let then run the ball at will and he did not need to throw in order to beat us.
Not many positives to take from this game...
The only positive I took was that I did not have to pay gas driving to Cleveland to watch this horrible product. I am still willing to give Mangini 2 more years...... however Robiskie not playing and than looking at the Linebacker we could have had play for the Bengals haunts me........
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Anderson should be selling cars in Oregon. He sucks.
Diehard I dont think Anderson was playing good by any means but than again neither was the rest of the offensive team. Looking at the sample games against the same team Anderson at this point demonstrates the offense is more productive with him on the field versus Quinn. We will see after the Pittsburgh game which statistically against the same teams in the same year how the production of the offense both as a unit and individuals compare.
I still hold to the position that Quinn is not an NFL level starting QB and that he hurts our entire team both in terms on not being able to sustain drives and his tendancy because of his accuracy and arm strengh
(not the long bombs but the 15-30 yard tight throws) that he hurts our offensive production in rushing and passing.
Diehard I dont think Anderson was playing good by any means but than again neither was the rest of the offensive team. Looking at the sample games against the same team Anderson at this point demonstrates the offense is more productive with him on the field versus Quinn. We will see after the Pittsburgh game which statistically against the same teams in the same year how the production of the offense both as a unit and individuals compare.
I still hold to the position that Quinn is not an NFL level starting QB and that he hurts our entire team both in terms on not being able to sustain drives and his tendancy because of his accuracy and arm strengh
(not the long bombs but the 15-30 yard tight throws) that he hurts our offensive production in rushing and passing.
Quinn didn't play well today....no doubt about it. But, if DA never plays another game here, it will be too soon. At the brginning of the season, I had no preference between the 2, and Quinn can be very frustrating to watch, but it was pure torture watching DA try to throw......if he comes back in, I won't be watching. I'd sooner see the third stringer play.
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The only positive I gathered from today's game was that we threw 0 interceptions. We're not near good enough to turn the ball over, and the less times we do it the better. I'm still not happy with Quinn in the least, but I would much rather have him in the pocket than Anderson. I love DA, and I hope he does well, but I am tired of seeing him flounder around and then throw into triple coverage for an INT. I think Quinn is progressing,this is essentially his rookie year. For all of you who say he's been in NFL practice for three years now, remember, he's been practicing with us. That's hardly what I consider "game-speed".
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The QB IS, Always was and ALWAYS will be THE most important position on a football team.
Manning would have won this game, as would have Brady, and Big Ben. How many times do you people have to see proof of this to finally wake up?
Back in the day, fans were saying the same thing about the stinky Mike Phipps era Browns Blame went to the OL, the Rbs, WRs and coaches. Enter Brian Sipe.............1976, Same OL, Same EVERYTHING......... except the results. Sipe's Browns went 9 -5.
Back in the day people were blaming the same bullshit for why Kosar sucked so bad. Enter vinny Testeverde and WHAM, the Belichik Browns became one of the most potent offenses in the NFL.
Bill Cowher couldn't do shit UNTIL he got a QB.
Would Peyton make this a SB team? No, but he would capitalize on all the opportunitites we watch Quinn and Andersen fail at week after week after week.
The Browns DO stink, and have for far too long. Andersen and Quinn are garbage. The Browns need to draft or sign a FA QB as their absolute top priority.
Emotional motivation has a lot to do with whether an organization succeeds or not. NOBODY wants to play in Cleveland. NOBODY is going to be pumped with either of these two xxxxtards inder center. FA's don't want to come here and neither do top coaching prospects.
If QB is not job one then the Browns will not ever even be an 8-8 team again.
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Oh and before anyone starts..........dropped passes are not an excuse. Browns have been dropping passes all year.
Oh and before anyone starts..........dropped passes are not an excuse. Browns have been dropping passes all year.
NOOOoooooo, it's just that Quinn throws the ball too hard.
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Where are all the BQ lovers from last week? Do you admit now that we should ship bouth Quinn and Anderson off to a third world country?
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Yesterday was the third best game Anderson has had all year, maybe fourth. the more quinn plays, the better DA looks.
I notice one thing when quinn is in dink-n-dunk mode, and that is our running game is greatly diminished by it as well.
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Quinn vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage
Team first downs 11
thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)
total net yards 169
final score 16-7 Bengals
top 21:49
Anderson vs the Bengals
26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
team first downs 22
third down efficiency 31% 6/19
total net yards 395
144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 23-20 Bengals
top 38:55
We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.
Quinn vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage
Team first downs 11
thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)
total net yards 169
final score 16-7 Bengals
top 21:49
Anderson vs the Bengals
26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
team first downs 22
third down efficiency 31% 6/19
total net yards 395
144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 23-20 Bengals
top 38:55
We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.
Love both stories but figure this into effect DA got benched for leading the team in tds and still for his career has more TDs than picks
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Quinn vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage
Team first downs 11
thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)
total net yards 169
final score 16-7 Bengals
top 21:49
Anderson vs the Bengals
26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
team first downs 22
third down efficiency 31% 6/19
total net yards 395
144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 23-20 Bengals
top 38:55
We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.
Love both stories but figure this into effect DA got benched for leading the team in tds and still for his career has more TDs than picks
Love both stories but figure this into effect DA got benched for leading the team in tds and still for his career has more TDs than picks
That's not why he got benched...
He got benched for a 15 for a QB rating this year.
And that was after how many starts?
Maybe BQ isn't the answer, but DA was putrid.
No offense, but what the hell is the matter with you?
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Quinn vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage
Team first downs 11
thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)
total net yards 169
final score 16-7 Bengals
top 21:49
Anderson vs the Bengals
26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
team first downs 22
third down efficiency 31% 6/19
total net yards 395
144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 23-20 Bengals
top 38:55
We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.
Anderson should be selling cars in Oregon. He sucks.
Anderson should be selling cars in Oregon. He sucks.
Quinn should be sweeping that car lot for DA...
He Sucks way More!!!!
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Anderson should be selling cars in Oregon. He sucks.
Quinn should be sweeping that car lot for DA...
He Sucks way More!!!!
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Quinn vs the Bengals Anderson vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage 26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
Team first downs 11 team first downs 22
third down efficiency 28% 4/14 third down efficiency 31% 6/19
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn) total net yards 395
total net yards 169 144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 16-7 Bengals final score 23-20 Bengals
top 21:49 top 38:55
Quinn VS the Steelers anderson vs the Steelers
6 of 19 90 yards no passing tds 31.6% completion, 2yards rushing 9 of 24 122 yards 1 passing td 1 int 37.5% comp rating -1 rushing
team first downs 12 team first downs 12
169 yards rushing (+2 from quinn) 125 yards rushing (-1 from quinn)
total net yards 255 total net yards 197
final score 13-6 Browns final score 27-14 Steelers
top 29:15 top 23:14
so both qbs blended figures vs the same team in the same season
Quinn 21 of 53 39.6% comp rating 1 passing td 1 rushing td 0 ints Anderson 35 of 72 48.6% comp rating 2 passing tds 1 rushing td 2 ints
total team first down 23 total team first downs 34
total team rushing 217 total team rushing 269
total net yards 424 total net yards 592
total offensive points 20 total offensive points 34
total top 51:04 total top 62:09
opposition total scoring 22 opposition scoring 50 (-14 turnovers) +36
quinn offensive scoring to opposing team scoring factor (-2)
Anderson "" "" """ "" "" (-16)
Anderson is + 11 total team first downs
anderson is + +52 total team rushing
Anderson is + 168 total team net yards
Anderson is + 14 in total team offensive points
Anderson is + 11:05 total team TOP
I was really looking forward to this game because it is rare to be able to compare two competing qbs against the same team in the same season against the same teams with basically the same skill players.
MY findings (opinion) is that IF we have a good defensive team I would rather have Quinn at qb who is weaker at leading the team offensively but does not throw the ints as much as DA.
However DA is definately a better offensive leader and the team does better offensively with him and will score more, so IF the defense is lacking I would rather much have DA at qb.
I think next year we will definately get better with higher quality defensive players being added and probably more skill players. I would rather have Quinn at the helm because I think IF we get better skill players while he may never be a good offensive threat he will make less mistakes and we rely on defense and our rushing attack.
However IF his offensive numbers keep consistent with his trends this year than DA is a much better option even with his mistakes offensively.
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Quinn vs the Bengals Anderson vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage 26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
Team first downs 11 team first downs 22
third down efficiency 28% 4/14 third down efficiency 31% 6/19
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn) total net yards 395
total net yards 169 144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 16-7 Bengals final score 23-20 Bengals
top 21:49 top 38:55
Quinn VS the Steelers anderson vs the Steelers
6 of 19 90 yards no passing tds 31.6% completion, 2yards rushing 9 of 24 122 yards 1 passing td 1 int 37.5% comp rating -1 rushing
team first downs 12 team first downs 12
169 yards rushing (+2 from quinn) 125 yards rushing (-1 from quinn)
total net yards 255 total net yards 197
final score 13-6 Browns final score 27-14 Steelers
top 29:15 top 23:14
so both qbs blended figures vs the same team in the same season
Quinn 21 of 53 39.6% comp rating 1 passing td 1 rushing td 0 ints Anderson 35 of 72 48.6% comp rating 2 passing tds 1 rushing td 2 ints
total team first down 23 total team first downs 34
total team rushing 217 total team rushing 269
total net yards 424 total net yards 592
total offensive points 20 total offensive points 34
total top 51:04 total top 62:09
opposition total scoring 22 opposition scoring 50 (-14 turnovers) +36
quinn offensive scoring to opposing team scoring factor (-2)
Anderson "" "" """ "" "" (-16)
Anderson is + 11 total team first downs
anderson is + +52 total team rushing
Anderson is + 168 total team net yards
Anderson is + 14 in total team offensive points
Anderson is + 11:05 total team TOP
I was really looking forward to this game because it is rare to be able to compare two competing qbs against the same team in the same season against the same teams with basically the same skill players.
MY findings (opinion) is that IF we have a good defensive team I would rather have Quinn at qb who is weaker at leading the team offensively but does not throw the ints as much as DA.
However DA is definately a better offensive leader and the team does better offensively with him and will score more, so IF the defense is lacking I would rather much have DA at qb.
I think next year we will definately get better with higher quality defensive players being added and probably more skill players. I would rather have Quinn at the helm because I think IF we get better skill players while he may never be a good offensive threat he will make less mistakes and we rely on defense and our rushing attack.
However IF his offensive numbers keep consistent with his trends this year than DA is a much better option even with his mistakes offensively.
Quinn vs the Bengals Anderson vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage 26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
Team first downs 11 team first downs 22
third down efficiency 28% 4/14 third down efficiency 31% 6/19
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn) total net yards 395
total net yards 169 144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 16-7 Bengals final score 23-20 Bengals
top 21:49 top 38:55
Quinn VS the Steelers anderson vs the Steelers
6 of 19 90 yards no passing tds 31.6% completion, 2yards rushing 9 of 24 122 yards 1 passing td 1 int 37.5% comp rating -1 rushing
team first downs 12 team first downs 12
169 yards rushing (+2 from quinn) 125 yards rushing (-1 from quinn)
total net yards 255 total net yards 197
final score 13-6 Browns final score 27-14 Steelers
top 29:15 top 23:14
so both qbs blended figures vs the same team in the same season
Quinn 21 of 53 39.6% comp rating 1 passing td 1 rushing td 0 ints Anderson 35 of 72 48.6% comp rating 2 passing tds 1 rushing td 2 ints
total team first down 23 total team first downs 34
total team rushing 217 total team rushing 269
total net yards 424 total net yards 592
total offensive points 20 total offensive points 34
total top 51:04 total top 62:09
opposition total scoring 22 opposition scoring 50 (-14 turnovers) +36
quinn offensive scoring to opposing team scoring factor (-2)
Anderson "" "" """ "" "" (-16)
Anderson is + 11 total team first downs
anderson is + +52 total team rushing
Anderson is + 168 total team net yards
Anderson is + 14 in total team offensive points
Anderson is + 11:05 total team TOP
I was really looking forward to this game because it is rare to be able to compare two competing qbs against the same team in the same season against the same teams with basically the same skill players.
MY findings (opinion) is that IF we have a good defensive team I would rather have Quinn at qb who is weaker at leading the team offensively but does not throw the ints as much as DA.
However DA is definately a better offensive leader and the team does better offensively with him and will score more, so IF the defense is lacking I would rather much have DA at qb.
I think next year we will definately get better with higher quality defensive players being added and probably more skill players. I would rather have Quinn at the helm because I think IF we get better skill players while he may never be a good offensive threat he will make less mistakes and we rely on defense and our rushing attack.
However IF his offensive numbers keep consistent with his trends this year than DA is a much better option even with his mistakes offensively.
DA will be gone after the season. Quinn is in for the long term.
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that totally MIGHT be the case but it hard to tell with the Mangini regime and we dont know who the football czar is yet..... and what they might be comparing and reviewing versus leveraging for either trades, free agency and the draft...... you never really know. Quinn is not exactly lighting things up consistently and more often he is underwhelming in total offensive numbers for both the team and himself. wierder things have happened.
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I'd argue that the weather also plays a big part in those as well. . . last night's game conditions were brutal!
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