Mangini and the 2009 draft
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the center doesn't have to be the best blocker on the line, just the smartest. it is almost better to have a guy who gets beat every once in a while and can call audibles than to have a guy who can beat anyone but can't read blitzes. he is the quarterback of the line and needs to be a leader more than a blocker.
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Fraley was getting crushed last year. Those big nose tackles were blowing him up. I actually felt sorry for him on some occasions cuz i like the guy and think he has been a real contributor over his time here.
I haven't seen every down this year but Mack hasn't been bull-rushed like that. Problems with the shotgun snap have been there for sure, but I really like the way he pulls on some runs around the end (as well as any center I know of) and he can really get to the second level quickly and engage the LBs.
He has a lot to learn to be sure, but overall I like this pick and think he he'll just get better and better.
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I am an advocate of not allowing EM anywhere near our 11 draft picks....I'll explain again. Center is an important position. The browns lead the NFL in 1st round centers with 3...(no superbowls) The argument being "look who we have to face in our division"...blah blah blah.....while we rationalize taking a center in the first round....1.....baltimore starts a 6th rounder,Pitt a 6th rounder and cincy a udfa. 2....Frayley is very servicable while a later round center gets coached up. 3...we have no playmakers, and had beanie wells, jeremy machlin available in the first....
Em also drafted robo,momass and veikune in the second.....two can't crack the lineup on this horrific team= no good...while lesean McCoy,shonn green and a plethora of other talent making impact from 2nd/third rounds.
Em brought in elam,bowens,barton,coleman,poteat,trusnik and mosely to our defense and we got worse... brought in rod hood as fa and was cut...we will see on roth
Em got ratliff,stuckey, royal, st.clair,womack and hadnot....and we are worse.
He botched the QB situation.
He hired daboll and stands by him...he got kokinis hired.
IN OTHER words.... he can't evaluate talent. I truly hope I'm wrong, but the evidence is clear to me.
Not to mention he saps the enjoyment of playing football out of the team, can't motivate or inspire but excels at test giving and fines.... do not let him near the draft.
P.S keeping lewis,sitting harrison and bringing us jennings....woohoo
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Nobody questions mangini based on Mack, it was a good pick. Its the wasted 2nd round picks that make me very uncomfortable going into future drafts. I mean veikune?!? What the xxxx
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Nobody questions mangini based on Mack, it was a good pick. Its the wasted 2nd round picks that make me very uncomfortable going into future drafts. I mean veikune?!? What the xxxx
Nobody questions mangini based on Mack, it was a good pick. Its the wasted 2nd round picks that make me very uncomfortable going into future drafts. I mean veikune?!? What the xxxx
While some rookies do show some significant flashes of being very good or even great players, I generally don't think one can fully assess drafted players until they've been given 3 years to develop.
This is in part why those who think that Mangini will rebuild the team through the draft (albeit in part because the better free agents will refuse to come here) are in for a long slow wait IF Mangini can avoid the Vernon Gholston type picks of his past.
I think all one can really do at this stage is question whether or not Mangini got value for trading out of #5.
How did Mangini and his hand picked GM Kokinis do getting value for #5 compared to say, the Patriots who traded #23 and picked up Darius Butler, Julius Edelman, Brandon Tate and a 2010 Second rounder in return?
I don't recall the specifics but I don't think Mangini added all that much in giving up #5. I could be wrong however.
Beyond that, one can't truly give up hope about any of the players drafted... sure, everyone would prefer they immediately show they can outplay some pretty bad starters in the first place, but even some of the best players need time to adjust.
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Mack was a great pick,
as for
Momass and Robo they are good number 2 and 3 Wrs the problem is we have no number 1, if we can get a number 1 those to will look like good picks in the second round
As for not taking Shown Greene I was upset cause I thought he was the best RB in the draft, and still think he will be. I also wanted the Browns to tae Orakbo last year, which he is leading all rookies in sacks this year.
As for this year I want the Browns to take Eric Berry, I think thats a no brainer...and then go get speed CJ Spiller, We can put Spiller and Davis in the backfield and we would have speed for days back there. It would give us a threat for that homerun ball we are missing
Then try to find a big WR in the third.
If Mangini can pull that off, I would be a happy happy man
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Mack was a great pick,
as for
Momass and Robo they are good number 2 and 3 Wrs the problem is we have no number 1, if we can get a number 1 those to will look like good picks in the second round
As for not taking Shown Greene I was upset cause I thought he was the best RB in the draft, and still think he will be. I also wanted the Browns to tae Orakbo last year, which he is leading all rookies in sacks this year.
As for this year I want the Browns to take Eric Berry, I think thats a no brainer...and then go get speed CJ Spiller, We can put Spiller and Davis in the backfield and we would have speed for days back there. It would give us a threat for that homerun ball we are missing
Then try to find a big WR in the third.
If Mangini can pull that off, I would be a happy happy man
Mack was a great pick,
As for this year I want the Browns to take Eric Berry, I think thats a no brainer...and then go get speed CJ Spiller, We can put Spiller and Davis in the backfield and we would have speed for days back there. It would give us a threat for that homerun ball we are missing
Then try to find a big WR in the third.
If Mangini can pull that off, I would be a happy happy man
Yer missing something here. Mack low-middle first round was good value. The Browns will almost certainly draft top three. You don't draft a DB in the top three, I don't care if Berry projects out to be the next Ronnie Lott.
Took a look back over the past 10 years, and a DB has never been taken in the top 3. So here's the DBs from the last 10 years that did get drafted top 10. Packman Jones, Antrell Rolle, Carlos Rodgers, Sean Taylor, DeAngelo Hall, Dunta Robinson. Terrence Neumann, Quentin Jammer, Roy Williams. (Ed Reed was drafted #24) Don't know about you, but I wouldn't trade any of them straight up for Mario Williams or Julius Peppers.
If I'm building a fantasy team, I take Bruce Smith over Lott every time. You build up a great front seven, you can make do with adequate skill in the defensive backfield. (ask the Giants) Reverse it, and you're gonna suck.
Other than pathetic run D, the Browns most glaring shortcoming on that side of the ball is a total inability mount an effective pass rush without blitzing to save their a**. So you either have to blitz Berry on every play, or watch an NFL qb count Mississippi 10, and throw to the guy who finally gets open. NO DB can contain coverage that long.
So if we can't trade out of the top 3, (likely) we're taking that guy from Nebraska.
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Mack was a great pick,
as for
Momass and Robo they are good number 2 and 3 Wrs the problem is we have no number 1, if we can get a number 1 those to will look like good picks in the second round
As for not taking Shown Greene I was upset cause I thought he was the best RB in the draft, and still think he will be. I also wanted the Browns to tae Orakbo last year, which he is leading all rookies in sacks this year.
As for this year I want the Browns to take Eric Berry, I think thats a no brainer...and then go get speed CJ Spiller, We can put Spiller and Davis in the backfield and we would have speed for days back there. It would give us a threat for that homerun ball we are missing
Then try to find a big WR in the third.
If Mangini can pull that off, I would be a happy happy man
Mack was a great pick,
as for
Momass and Robo they are good number 2 and 3 Wrs the problem is we have no number 1, if we can get a number 1 those to will look like good picks in the second round
As for not taking Shown Greene I was upset cause I thought he was the best RB in the draft, and still think he will be. I also wanted the Browns to tae Orakbo last year, which he is leading all rookies in sacks this year.
As for this year I want the Browns to take Eric Berry, I think thats a no brainer...and then go get speed CJ Spiller, We can put Spiller and Davis in the backfield and we would have speed for days back there. It would give us a threat for that homerun ball we are missing
Then try to find a big WR in the third.
If Mangini can pull that off, I would be a happy happy man
For one a center is a safe pick
For two as far as we dropeed i think we should of pulled another first next year but.....
and three kudos on the shonn greene comment i wanted him and he will be a beast once he get pt.
And one question that really bothers me i wonder who romeo/savage would of taken or done with the picks last year?
And you know that quinn was going to be the man last year under the best regime in cleveland since we came back, we didn't have that many holes not to go out and make more.
Cant wait to see stalworth on the field again.lol
Remember the Giants were offering more for Braylon Edwards than the jets were
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I dont think we will have the first pic, I think Tampa will, and will in Tampa looks like they will take Suh. I dont think anybody will will trade up like last year with this draft class not really haveing anybody on offense that stands out that high in the draft.
This draft will be a top heavy defenseive draft, after Suh who do you take???? Its Eric Berry the guys a monster.......
GO to you tube and loo at Berry and Spiller......
And if we do have the first pic Tampa wants your Nebraska boy so bad they might give us a extra pic to jump up 1 spot...
Bob Sanders make the Colts Defense a Super Bowl Defense, so does Ed Reed, so does Troy Palamue ( how ever you spell is name)
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I dont think we will have the first pic, I think Tampa will, and will in Tampa looks like they will take Suh. I dont think anybody will will trade up like last year with this draft class not really haveing anybody on offense that stands out that high in the draft.
This draft will be a top heavy defenseive draft, after Suh who do you take???? Its Eric Berry the guys a monster.......
GO to you tube and loo at Berry and Spiller......
And if we do have the first pic Tampa wants your Nebraska boy so bad they might give us a extra pic to jump up 1 spot...
Bob Sanders make the Colts Defense a Super Bowl Defense, so does Ed Reed, so does Troy Palamue ( how ever you spell is name)
I dont think we will have the first pic, I think Tampa will, and will in Tampa looks like they will take Suh. I dont think anybody will will trade up like last year with this draft class not really haveing anybody on offense that stands out that high in the draft.
This draft will be a top heavy defenseive draft, after Suh who do you take???? Its Eric Berry the guys a monster.......
GO to you tube and loo at Berry and Spiller......
And if we do have the first pic Tampa wants your Nebraska boy so bad they might give us a extra pic to jump up 1 spot...
Bob Sanders make the Colts Defense a Super Bowl Defense, so does Ed Reed, so does Troy Palamue ( how ever you spell is name)
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