2nd Day Draft Picks
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With everyone talking about who we will take in the first round, I want to hear about day two hopes, predictions, concerns, etc.
I doubt we will go after a qb with our top picks. Quinn is probably the guy for the future. With this in mind, it wouldn't hurt to pick up some depth at qb on the second day with dynamic qb's who could play multiple positions. I'm thinking about players with tremendous upside without having to spend top $$$$.
DARRYLL CLARK -PENN STATE (built like a linebacker, big arm, mobile, leader)
JUICE WILLIAMS - ILLINOIS (could play WildDawg qb or wr, very similar to Cribbs as college qb.)
On the defensive side, I like SS Coleman from Ohio State...not sure if he'll be there in the fourth round though.
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Well, here is the thing: the NFL draft is now going to be a THREE Day affair. The First round is to be conducted on a Thursday night in prime time. The 2d and 3rd rounds on Friday on Primetime, and rounds 4-7 on Saturday starting at 10:00 AM.
So, in essence we have to talk about 1st day, 2d day, and 3rd day picks.
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juice is too inconsistent and clark hasn't proven himself. these are two guys that could barely get it done in the big ten; how will they ever get it done at the next level?
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Toby Gerhart
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toby flenderson
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http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/Toby-Gerhart.html
Gerhart is more a fullback at the NFL level, lack of burst and some question his speed.
Heck of a rb, though.
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http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/Toby-Gerhart.html
Gerhart is more a fullback at the NFL level, lack of burst and some question his speed.
Heck of a rb, though.
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/Toby-Gerhart.html
Gerhart is more a fullback at the NFL level, lack of burst and some question his speed.
Heck of a rb, though.
mike alstot 2.0?
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^ He reminds me of a quicker Alstott. I wonder how late he'll be available. I think he could be a quality RB at the NFL level. He can really punish people at the second level.
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Gerhart's probably a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick, though we won't know for sure until he runs a 40 at the Combine.
His physical limitations will prevent him from being a feature back at the next level, but by no means do I think he will or should be converted to FB. He's more valuable as a "finisher" beating down worn-out defenses in the 4th quarter or as a short-yardage specialist. If a team wants a fullback, they should wait a year and draft Owen Marecic, the guy who opens up holes for Gerhart.
Look at how the Eagles have responded to Westbrook being out by turning fullback Leonard Weaver into more of a runner (45 carries, 249 yards, 5.5 YPC, 2 TD). In that kind of situation - behind a great offensive line, in a tandem with a more athletic back - I could see Gerhart doing the same kind of damage.
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Darryll Clark's a senior. Unfortunately, he's been awful in PSU's big games this year, which makes you wonder if he has any NFL upside.
He might be worth considering in the late rounds as a developmental QB; some people think he could turn into a David Garrard-type QB. But I'm not sure I see it.
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I don't like Williams. I like Clark better, but I think we have bigger needs. I really like Coleman in the later rounds. He has done nothing but get better every year at OSU. I'm not sure where he's projected yet, but I don't think it's too high. He should be a great 4th or 5th round pick.
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juice is too inconsistent and clark hasn't proven himself. these are two guys that could barely get it done in the big ten; how will they ever get it done at the next level?
juice is too inconsistent and clark hasn't proven himself. these are two guys that could barely get it done in the big ten; how will they ever get it done at the next level?
I agree Juice won't be a traditional QB in the NFL, but he has qualities that our offense could use: athleticism, speed, big play ability, and heart. Just look at our best player, Josh Cribbs. Former college QB at Kent State. Juice has the same skill set that Cribbs did in college. Hoping it can carry over in a similar fashion. I'd really hate to see him go to a conference foe like the Steelers and become the next Hines Ward, Randel El, Dennis Dixon (all college Qb's). If we can get him in the 4th round, why not.
Really confused about comments on Clark! In 2008, Penn State led the Big Ten in total and scoring offense, were second in rushing and third in passing offense (243.1 ypg). Selected first-team all-conference by the coaches and media, Clark was the runner-up in voting for the Silver Football, presented by the Chicago Tribune to the Big Ten's Most Valuable Player. He also was among the semifinalists for the Maxwell and Davey O'Brien awards. Clark excelled from the season's outset in directing the Spread HD attack, completing 192-of-321 attempts for 2,592 yards, the third-highest passing yardage season in Penn State history. He threw 19 touchdown passes and only six interceptions in his 321 attempts for a superlative 1.86 interception percentage that ranked as the fourth-lowest in school season annals. Thanks primarily to Clark, Penn State was tied for fourth in the nation in fewest interceptions thrown (six). Two of his picks came in the final 3:00 against Southern California in the 2009 Rose Bowl as he tried to get the Lions back within one score. Clark was second in the Big Ten in pass efficiency and 25th nationally with a 143.4 rating.
In his two years as Penn State's starting quarterback, Clark has won 21 and lost four. The coaches and media selected him first-team All-Big Ten both seasons. Now he's a finalist along with Wisconsin running back John Clay and Michigan defensive end Brandon Graham for the Tribune's Silver Football, awarded annually to the Big Ten's best player.
Hasn't proven himself? Why because he lost in the Rosebowl last year to an awsome USC team. He still led his team to a Big Ten Co- Championship year.
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juice is too inconsistent and clark hasn't proven himself. these are two guys that could barely get it done in the big ten; how will they ever get it done at the next level?
I agree Juice won't be a traditional QB in the NFL, but he has qualities that our offense could use: athleticism, speed, big play ability, and heart. Just look at our best player, Josh Cribbs. Former college QB at Kent State. Juice has the same skill set that Cribbs did in college. Hoping it can carry over in a similar fashion. I'd really hate to see him go to a conference foe like the Steelers and become the next Hines Ward, Randel El, Dennis Dixon (all college Qb's). If we can get him in the 4th round, why not.
Really confused about comments on Clark! In 2008, Penn State led the Big Ten in total and scoring offense, were second in rushing and third in passing offense (243.1 ypg). Selected first-team all-conference by the coaches and media, Clark was the runner-up in voting for the Silver Football, presented by the Chicago Tribune to the Big Ten's Most Valuable Player. He also was among the semifinalists for the Maxwell and Davey O'Brien awards. Clark excelled from the season's outset in directing the Spread HD attack, completing 192-of-321 attempts for 2,592 yards, the third-highest passing yardage season in Penn State history. He threw 19 touchdown passes and only six interceptions in his 321 attempts for a superlative 1.86 interception percentage that ranked as the fourth-lowest in school season annals. Thanks primarily to Clark, Penn State was tied for fourth in the nation in fewest interceptions thrown (six). Two of his picks came in the final 3:00 against Southern California in the 2009 Rose Bowl as he tried to get the Lions back within one score. Clark was second in the Big Ten in pass efficiency and 25th nationally with a 143.4 rating.
In his two years as Penn State's starting quarterback, Clark has won 21 and lost four. The coaches and media selected him first-team All-Big Ten both seasons. Now he's a finalist along with Wisconsin running back John Clay and Michigan defensive end Brandon Graham for the Tribune's Silver Football, awarded annually to the Big Ten's best player.
Hasn't proven himself? Why because he lost in the Rosebowl last year to an awsome USC team. He still led his team to a Big Ten Co- Championship year.
Hasn't proven himself? Why because he lost in the Rosebowl last year to an awsome USC team. He still led his team to a Big Ten Co- Championship year.
vs. Iowa
- 12/32, 198 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
- 12/28, 194 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
nfldraftscout has him rated as the 17th best senior quarterback in this year's class.
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Don't put too much stock in what the sports analysts put out there!
2003 Tony Romo ranked #13 (behind guys like Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, Dave Ragone, and Ken Dorsey, Chris Simms, Kliff Kinsbury, etc)
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/playe...amp;startspot=0
I'm not saying Clark will be the face of the franchise. What I am saying is that he has the athleticism to do things many backups cannot do. And to be able to get him in the late rounds would be a steal.
DONOVAN McNABB picked 2ND OVERALL in 1999.
After redshirting in 1994, his first year at Syracuse, McNabb went on to start every game during his college career, compiling a 35–14 record.
As a senior, he led Syracuse to a berth in the Orange Bowl against Florida as he completed 157 of 251 passes (62.5%) for 2,134 yards; he also pushed the eventual champions, the 1998 Tennessee Volunteers, to the limit in a very close game. His 22 touchdown passes tied the school's single season record, set by former Eagle Don McPherson in 1987. McNabb also rushed 135 times for 438 yards and 8 touchdowns. He ranked sixth in the nation with a 158.9 passing efficiency rating and 22nd in total offense, with 233.8 yards per game.
CLARK'S numbers are better AND against better competition. Looks like McNabb lost the big game too. (Orange Bowl)
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Hasn't proven himself? Why because he lost in the Rosebowl last year to an awsome USC team. He still led his team to a Big Ten Co- Championship year.
vs. Iowa
- 12/32, 198 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
- 12/28, 194 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
nfldraftscout has him rated as the 17th best senior quarterback in this year's class.
vs. Iowa
- 12/32, 198 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
- 12/28, 194 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
nfldraftscout has him rated as the 17th best senior quarterback in this year's class.
Big Gay Ben threw 4 int's vs Iowa while in college. Did he show up in big games?
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vs. Iowa
- 12/32, 198 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
- 12/28, 194 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
nfldraftscout has him rated as the 17th best senior quarterback in this year's class.
Big Gay Ben threw 4 int's vs Iowa while in college. Did he show up in big games?
Big Gay Ben threw 4 int's vs Iowa while in college. Did he show up in big games?
That's a silly comparison, considering how Ben almost single-handedly beat #3 Iowa the year before (33/51, 343 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT). And after that bad game to start the '03 season, Roethlisberger won the rest of his games.
Clark, by contrast, struggled in his '08 loss to Iowa (9/23, 86 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT), struggled again in '09, then struggled some more in the loss to Ohio State.
If you want him as a late round pick, that's fine. But there's no need to compare him to McNabb, Roethlisberger, etc. What you need to do is make a case that he'd be a better developmental option than a guy like Jarrett Brown, something that I'm not convinced of.
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Go back to my original post. That's what I've been saying all along, "late round pickup". And it's kind of a stretch to say Big Gay been almost beat Iowa in '03. They lost 21-3.
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Go back to my original post. That's what I've been saying all along, "late round pickup". And it's kind of a stretch to say Big Gay been almost beat Iowa in '03. They lost 21-3.
Go back to my original post. That's what I've been saying all along, "late round pickup". And it's kind of a stretch to say Big Gay been almost beat Iowa in '03. They lost 21-3.
I said Roethlisberger almost beat Iowa "the year before", as in '02. That year, they lost 29-24.
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If he doesn't go to Jacksonville - Tim Tebow.
Draft him as a TE, draft him as a situational player. Having him as a roleplayer will benefit whatever club gets him this late. Guarenteed. And I don't like Tim Tebow. But the man is built to play position football.
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