Julies gay Super Bowl Debate
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THE DEFINITIVE CHAMPIONSHIP LIST
This is the definitive championship list. It was put together to for once and for all silence the whining about ancient championships against the Trojans and the Spartans and the Hitites, etc. It shows the state of the NFL and the value of winning the championship in the years that they occured. This value is calculated from the level of competing teams in the league as compared to the 32 team league today. It does not count AAC, or AFL Championships. Why? Because they are not the NFL. It does not count NFL "championships" from 1920-1932 because there was no game deciding the outcome, so they don't count. They are worth zero, and although the Giants, Packers and Bears fans may complain, no fans of the Akron Pros, Cleveland Bulldogs, Canton Bulldogs, Frankford Yellow Jackets, or Providence Steam Rollers are going to object. Why? Because obviously those teams like the championships from those years are utterly unimportant as they have no real value. So those just flat out don't count.
From 1933-1965 championships count at the fraction of competition they faced in their league that year compared to the current 32 team league level of competition. For example, there were 10 teams in the NFL in 1933, so that championship counts for 10/32 (0.313) of 1 championship. There were only 9 teams in'35 and '36 and only 8 teams in '43, so those would count for 0.281, 0.281 and 0.250 value respectively.
Calculation Examples
Steelers 0.813 + 0.813 + 0.875 + 0.875 + 1 + 1 = 5.376
Cowboys 0.813 + 0.875 + 0.875 + 0.875 + 0.938 = 4.376
Packers 0.281 + 0.313 + 0.313 + 0.438 + 0.438 + 0.438 + 0.750 + 0.781 + 0.938 = 4.69
The Definitive Comprehensive Championship Equivalents List:
1 Steelers - 5.376
2 Packers - 4.690
3 Cowboys - 4.376
4 49ers - 4.375
5 Giants - 3.782
6 Redskins - 3.251
7 Patriots - 2.969
8 Bears - 2.815
9 Raiders - 2.625
10 Colts - 2.563
11 Broncos - 1.876
12 Rams - 1.657
13 Dolphins - 1.626
14 Browns - 1.594
15 Lions - 1.406
16 Eagles - 1.032
17 Bucs - 1.000
18 Ravens - 0.969
19 Chiefs - 0.813 (tie)
19 Jets - 0.813 (tie)
21 Cards - 0.313
Tied at 22nd place: Bengals, Chargers, Jaguars, Texans, Bills, Titans, Saints, Vikings, Falcons, Seahawks, and Panthers.
There, you now have been given Wisdom.
THE DEFINITIVE CHAMPIONSHIP LIST
This is the definitive championship list. It was put together to for once and for all silence the whining about ancient championships against the Trojans and the Spartans and the Hitites, etc. It shows the state of the NFL and the value of winning the championship in the years that they occured. This value is calculated from the level of competing teams in the league as compared to the 32 team league today. It does not count AAC, or AFL Championships. Why? Because they are not the NFL. It does not count NFL "championships" from 1920-1932 because there was no game deciding the outcome, so they don't count. They are worth zero, and although the Giants, Packers and Bears fans may complain, no fans of the Akron Pros, Cleveland Bulldogs, Canton Bulldogs, Frankford Yellow Jackets, or Providence Steam Rollers are going to object. Why? Because obviously those teams like the championships from those years are utterly unimportant as they have no real value. So those just flat out don't count.
From 1933-1965 championships count at the fraction of competition they faced in their league that year compared to the current 32 team league level of competition. For example, there were 10 teams in the NFL in 1933, so that championship counts for 10/32 (0.313) of 1 championship. There were only 9 teams in'35 and '36 and only 8 teams in '43, so those would count for 0.281, 0.281 and 0.250 value respectively.
Calculation Examples
Steelers 0.813 + 0.813 + 0.875 + 0.875 + 1 + 1 = 5.376
Cowboys 0.813 + 0.875 + 0.875 + 0.875 + 0.938 = 4.376
Packers 0.281 + 0.313 + 0.313 + 0.438 + 0.438 + 0.438 + 0.750 + 0.781 + 0.938 = 4.69
The Definitive Comprehensive Championship Equivalents List:
1 Steelers - 5.376
2 Packers - 4.690
3 Cowboys - 4.376
4 49ers - 4.375
5 Giants - 3.782
6 Redskins - 3.251
7 Patriots - 2.969
8 Bears - 2.815
9 Raiders - 2.625
10 Colts - 2.563
11 Broncos - 1.876
12 Rams - 1.657
13 Dolphins - 1.626
14 Browns - 1.594
15 Lions - 1.406
16 Eagles - 1.032
17 Bucs - 1.000
18 Ravens - 0.969
19 Chiefs - 0.813 (tie)
19 Jets - 0.813 (tie)
21 Cards - 0.313
Tied at 22nd place: Bengals, Chargers, Jaguars, Texans, Bills, Titans, Saints, Vikings, Falcons, Seahawks, and Panthers.
There, you now have been given Wisdom.
You have just killed the validity of whatever stooge put this together by excluding the AFL, AAFC, and numerous years of the NFL. Ergo, it is THIS computation that has no real value. I assume it is BS you made up. It is of absolutely no worth to anyone, but your own ego. You cannot remove facts, you cannot change history.
What did I tell you about Benjamin Disraeli?
What a f**ing stupid idiot you are.
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OH, and by the way....what makes you think there aren't fans of those defunct teams around?
Try going to Canton Ohio and telling them the Bulldogs didn't exist.
Better wear your baby Steeler helmet....because they use real bricks there.
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Pop Quiz: Back in the 1922 Championship, who threw for the most yardage?
A: Nobody because the forward pass wasn't even invented yet.
Here's another funny one for you - from 1922 until 1933 the "Championship" was awarded to the team with the most wins - there were no playoffs or Championship game. Even funnier is that the teams didn't all play the same number of games - some played 6 while others played 8 (do you think your odds of having the most wins would increase if you played 2 more games than other teams?).
The Packers won 6 Championships prior to 1945 - in no season was there more than 10 professional teams (getting to the championship post 1933 meant you had to beat the other 4 teams in your division which is really no different than winning the division in modern times, in fact before the most recent expansion when it was the North, South, and Central there were 5 teams in each division).
Winning a championship in the 20's, 30's, and 40's was about as difficult as winning a little league baseball tournament.
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In 1964, The Buffalo Bills beat the San Diego Chargers for the AFL title. Also in 1964, The Cleveland Browns beat the Baltimore Colts for the NFL title. Both the Bills and the Browns are considered to have a league championship for 1964.
In todays NFL those two games would be considered the NFC and AFC championship games to see who would meet in the Super Bowl.
BUT THE BROWNS GLOB ONTO PURE B.S. and claim a championship.. what a joke!
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Jully,
Are you almost done?
Almost 30 posts in your first 24hrs here, and all about the same topic, spells obsession.
Jully,
Are you almost done?
Almost 30 posts in your first 24hrs here, and all about the same topic, spells obsession.
It actually spells I-G-N-O-R-A-N-C-E.
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In 1964, The Buffalo Bills beat the San Diego Chargers for the AFL title. Also in 1964, The Cleveland Browns beat the Baltimore Colts for the NFL title. Both the Bills and the Browns are considered to have a league championship for 1964.
In todays NFL those two games would be considered the NFC and AFC championship games to see who would meet in the Super Bowl.
BUT THE BROWNS GLOB ONTO PURE B.S. and claim a championship.. what a joke!
In 1964, The Buffalo Bills beat the San Diego Chargers for the AFL title. Also in 1964, The Cleveland Browns beat the Baltimore Colts for the NFL title. Both the Bills and the Browns are considered to have a league championship for 1964.
In todays NFL those two games would be considered the NFC and AFC championship games to see who would meet in the Super Bowl.
BUT THE BROWNS GLOB ONTO PURE B.S. and claim a championship.. what a joke!
You'd probably be singing a different tune if the Stealers won a bunch of titles in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, but like all steelers fans you assume the team was founded in 1971.
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Pop Quiz: Back in the 1922 Championship, who threw for the most yardage?
A: Nobody because the forward pass wasn't even invented yet.
Here's another funny one for you - from 1922 until 1933 the "Championship" was awarded to the team with the most wins - there were no playoffs or Championship game. Even funnier is that the teams didn't all play the same number of games - some played 6 while others played 8 (do you think your odds of having the most wins would increase if you played 2 more games than other teams?).
The Packers won 6 Championships prior to 1945 - in no season was there more than 10 professional teams (getting to the championship post 1933 meant you had to beat the other 4 teams in your division which is really no different than winning the division in modern times, in fact before the most recent expansion when it was the North, South, and Central there were 5 teams in each division).
Winning a championship in the 20's, 30's, and 40's was about as difficult as winning a little league baseball tournament.
Pop Quiz: Back in the 1922 Championship, who threw for the most yardage?
A: Nobody because the forward pass wasn't even invented yet.
Here's another funny one for you - from 1922 until 1933 the "Championship" was awarded to the team with the most wins - there were no playoffs or Championship game. Even funnier is that the teams didn't all play the same number of games - some played 6 while others played 8 (do you think your odds of having the most wins would increase if you played 2 more games than other teams?).
The Packers won 6 Championships prior to 1945 - in no season was there more than 10 professional teams (getting to the championship post 1933 meant you had to beat the other 4 teams in your division which is really no different than winning the division in modern times, in fact before the most recent expansion when it was the North, South, and Central there were 5 teams in each division).
Winning a championship in the 20's, 30's, and 40's was about as difficult as winning a little league baseball tournament.
Imagine that, awarding a championship to the team with the most wins. What a remarkable concept.
(and I assume that you were just jesting about the forward pass in 1922. If not, it demonstrates how truly stupid and ignorant you are. Of course the forward pass was used extensively in 1922. You just have now clue on how to research for those stats. Ever hear of Fritz Pollard? Benny Friedman? Jimmy Conzelman? All hall of fame quarterbacks from the 20s, passing QBs.)
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In 1964, The Buffalo Bills beat the San Diego Chargers for the AFL title. Also in 1964, The Cleveland Browns beat the Baltimore Colts for the NFL title. Both the Bills and the Browns are considered to have a league championship for 1964.
In todays NFL those two games would be considered the NFC and AFC championship games to see who would meet in the Super Bowl.
BUT THE BROWNS GLOB ONTO PURE B.S. and claim a championship.. what a joke!
You'd probably be singing a different tune if the Stealers won a bunch of titles in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, but like all steelers fans you assume the team was founded in 1971.
You'd probably be singing a different tune if the Stealers won a bunch of titles in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, but like all steelers fans you assume the team was founded in 1971.
Of course. Of the 10 other teams boards I have been on, they ALL count these as titles. ALL OF THEM. I thought hardy har whore was bad.
This girl is the worst f*ck on the board.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
In 1964, The Buffalo Bills beat the San Diego Chargers for the AFL title. Also in 1964, The Cleveland Browns beat the Baltimore Colts for the NFL title. Both the Bills and the Browns are considered to have a league championship for 1964.
In todays NFL those two games would be considered the NFC and AFC championship games to see who would meet in the Super Bowl.
BUT THE BROWNS GLOB ONTO PURE B.S. and claim a championship.. what a joke!
You'd probably be singing a different tune if the Stealers won a bunch of titles in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, but like all steelers fans you assume the team was founded in 1971.
You'd probably be singing a different tune if the Stealers won a bunch of titles in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, but like all steelers fans you assume the team was founded in 1971.
Perhaps it is this that is the joke: Letting the 12th best team into the playoffs. In 2005, the Steelers were allowed into the playoffs by virtue of their stirling 6th place finish.
Prior to 1990, they would not have even been invited to go along.
The point being, they gave teams like the Steelers a break by letting them come play.
It is a hell of a lot harder to win a title when you are not allowed to participate. So, can we delegitimize the Steelers 2005 title as being the product only of an expanded playoff system?
Hell, they came in 2d place in a 4 team division.
At least when the old timers won, it is because they WON, and not because they came in second place out of 4.
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Wow Jully so does it make you feel like more of a man to be a fan of last year's superbowl winning team? Because you had nothing to do with it. Why are you bragging again?
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Pop Quiz: Back in the 1922 Championship, who threw for the most yardage?
A: Nobody because the forward pass wasn't even invented yet.
Here's another funny one for you - from 1922 until 1933 the "Championship" was awarded to the team with the most wins - there were no playoffs or Championship game. Even funnier is that the teams didn't all play the same number of games - some played 6 while others played 8 (do you think your odds of having the most wins would increase if you played 2 more games than other teams?).
The Packers won 6 Championships prior to 1945 - in no season was there more than 10 professional teams (getting to the championship post 1933 meant you had to beat the other 4 teams in your division which is really no different than winning the division in modern times, in fact before the most recent expansion when it was the North, South, and Central there were 5 teams in each division).
Winning a championship in the 20's, 30's, and 40's was about as difficult as winning a little league baseball tournament.
Imagine that, awarding a championship to the team with the most wins. What a remarkable concept.
(and I assume that you were just jesting about the forward pass in 1922. If not, it demonstrates how truly stupid and ignorant you are. Of course the forward pass was used extensively in 1922. You just have now clue on how to research for those stats. Ever hear of Fritz Pollard? Benny Friedman? Jimmy Conzelman? All hall of fame quarterbacks from the 20s, passing QBs.)
Imagine that, awarding a championship to the team with the most wins. What a remarkable concept.
(and I assume that you were just jesting about the forward pass in 1922. If not, it demonstrates how truly stupid and ignorant you are. Of course the forward pass was used extensively in 1922. You just have now clue on how to research for those stats. Ever hear of Fritz Pollard? Benny Friedman? Jimmy Conzelman? All hall of fame quarterbacks from the 20s, passing QBs.)
The NFL did not legalize the forward pass until 1933. FACT!!!
you excuses are so lame.
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Shut up bitch, it's been 5 days since the game and you're still bitching. Get over it, you won't make the playoffs.
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@jully said:
let me know the next time you come to pittsburgh Ok? my fist smashing your face sounds fun. don't chicken out..pussyWhy would I waste my time to driving to Shittsburgh to see a bunch of toothless hillbillys crying about how the Stoolers lost to the Browns.
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You'd probably be singing a different tune if the Stealers won a bunch of titles in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, but like all steelers fans you assume the team was founded in 1971.
Of course. Of the 10 other teams boards I have been on, they ALL count these as titles. ALL OF THEM. I thought hardy har whore was bad.
This girl is the worst f*ck on the board.
Of course. Of the 10 other teams boards I have been on, they ALL count these as titles. ALL OF THEM. I thought hardy har whore was bad.
This girl is the worst f*ck on the board.
It is probably the same blowjob using different names.
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@jully said:
let me know the next time you come to pittsburgh Ok? my fist smashing your face sounds fun. don't chicken out..pussySome gay, fatassed hillbilly talkin tuff huh boy? Yuins aint sheeet.
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Imagine that, awarding a championship to the team with the most wins. What a remarkable concept.
(and I assume that you were just jesting about the forward pass in 1922. If not, it demonstrates how truly stupid and ignorant you are. Of course the forward pass was used extensively in 1922. You just have now clue on how to research for those stats. Ever hear of Fritz Pollard? Benny Friedman? Jimmy Conzelman? All hall of fame quarterbacks from the 20s, passing QBs.)
The NFL did not legalize the forward pass until 1933. FACT!!!
you excuses are so lame.
The NFL did not legalize the forward pass until 1933. FACT!!!
you excuses are so lame.
Are you saying this with a straight face? Seriously, can anyone be this misinformed? Or stupid?
Then I guess the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which certainly cannot know as much about the history of football as you do, must have it all wrong in the excerpt from the biography of Benny Friedman that I reproduce here:
Benjamin Friedman. . .NFL’s first great passer . . . Threw league record 11 touchdown passes as rookie, 1927 . . . Set another record with 20 TDs, 1929 . . . Led league in touchdown passes four consecutive years (1927-1930) . . . His 66 career touchdown passes was an NFL record for years. . . Triple-threat player, could run, pass, kick . . . Born March 18, 1905 in Cleveland, Ohio . . . Died November 23, 1982, at age of 77.
I wonder how a guy can lead the NFL in TD passes for four years before you claim they even legalized the forward pass?
MY GOD, will one of the decent Steeler fans on this board please bring a leash with you when you come here so that your mutts won't piss on the carpet?
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The NFL did not legalize the forward pass until 1933. FACT!!!
you excuses are so lame.
Are you saying this with a straight face? Seriously, can anyone be this misinformed? Or stupid?
Then I guess the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which certainly cannot know as much about the history of football as you do, must have it all wrong in the excerpt from the biography of Benny Friedman that I reproduce here:
Benjamin Friedman. . .NFL’s first great passer . . . Threw league record 11 touchdown passes as rookie, 1927 . . . Set another record with 20 TDs, 1929 . . . Led league in touchdown passes four consecutive years (1927-1930) . . . His 66 career touchdown passes was an NFL record for years. . . Triple-threat player, could run, pass, kick . . . Born March 18, 1905 in Cleveland, Ohio . . . Died November 23, 1982, at age of 77.
I wonder how a guy can lead the NFL in TD passes for four years before you claim they even legalized the forward pass?
MY GOD, will one of the decent Steeler fans on this board please bring a leash with you when you come here so that your mutts won't piss on the carpet?
Are you saying this with a straight face? Seriously, can anyone be this misinformed? Or stupid?
Then I guess the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which certainly cannot know as much about the history of football as you do, must have it all wrong in the excerpt from the biography of Benny Friedman that I reproduce here
:Benjamin Friedman. . .NFL’s first great passer . . . Threw league record 11 touchdown passes as rookie, 1927 . . . Set another record with 20 TDs, 1929 . . . Led league in touchdown passes four consecutive years (1927-1930) . . . His 66 career touchdown passes was an NFL record for years. . . Triple-threat player, could run, pass, kick . . . Born March 18, 1905 in Cleveland, Ohio . . . Died November 23, 1982, at age of 77.
I wonder how a guy can lead the NFL in TD passes for four years before you claim they even legalized the forward pass?
MY GOD, will one of the decent Steeler fans on this board please bring a leash with you when you come here so that your mutts won't piss on the carpet?
please understand. The NFL is independent from the pro football hall of fame. THE NFL DID NOT LEGALIZE THE FORWARD PASS UNTIL 1933.
The pro football hall of fame is NOT THE NFL you doofus buttwad backwards ass pansie
The NFL does not have stats for passing before 1933
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