Just Curious - What Do You Want For Quinn?
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You're looking at this from an uneducated fans perspective, not from a football perspective. GMs and coaches will look deeper into bqs situation and realize the right side of his oline is weak and he has to rely on a bunch of rookies and backups for weapons on offense. They'll also see he has things to improve on, but all inexperienced qbs do. Even if a team tries to lowball the Browns, they're not going to accept a 4rth for bq when he hasn't even had a fair shot. BQ hasn't even played a full 16 games yet. I think the Browns will give BQ a fair shot and go from there. Also, can you stop talking to us as if we work for the Browns and we have the ability to trade quinn? We're just fans dude.
Whoa!
Let's take a step back and a deep breath. I kinda had the feeling that I wasn't communicating with the Browns front office by the mere fact that someone posted that they'd deal Quinn for...what was it? A bag of balls and some knee pads? Or was it the presence of the emoticons? Never mind.
Look, if there has been some misunderstanding concerning one of my posts, let me be the first to apologize. It was not my intent to come off in the manner with which you perceived.
I believe that you may have responded to my initial post with something to the effect of: What? Trade Brady Quinn for merely a 4th rounder?
To which I thought I replied by asking you to place a value on him based upon what we know today. Now, if you believe that he's worth more than a 4th round pick (which is what I suspect), then that's fine. I just wanted to see how Browns fans valued him - not try to broker some message board internet trade agreement to forward to Billy Devaney (Rams GM).
I fully realize that many Browns fans feel that Quinn may not have had a full hearing in terms of his capabilities. But that hasn't stopped the media (or even this message board) from suggesting he could get dealt or that a new QB could come in to replace him. I'm just getting into a conversation that's been going on for much of the season. I came onto this board thinking that there were some intelligent Browns fans/bloggers who might have an idea of how the organization operates and whether or not they'd consider deals for Quinn. If so, what would they suspect the price would be?
No big deal, though. Good luck fellas.
Whoa!
Let's take a step back and a deep breath. I kinda had the feeling that I wasn't communicating with the Browns front office by the mere fact that someone posted that they'd deal Quinn for...what was it? A bag of balls and some knee pads? Or was it the presence of the emoticons? Never mind.
Look, if there has been some misunderstanding concerning one of my posts, let me be the first to apologize. It was not my intent to come off in the manner with which you perceived.
I believe that you may have responded to my initial post with something to the effect of: What? Trade Brady Quinn for merely a 4th rounder?
To which I thought I replied by asking you to place a value on him based upon what we know today. Now, if you believe that he's worth more than a 4th round pick (which is what I suspect), then that's fine. I just wanted to see how Browns fans valued him - not try to broker some message board internet trade agreement to forward to Billy Devaney (Rams GM).
I fully realize that many Browns fans feel that Quinn may not have had a full hearing in terms of his capabilities. But that hasn't stopped the media (or even this message board) from suggesting he could get dealt or that a new QB could come in to replace him. I'm just getting into a conversation that's been going on for much of the season. I came onto this board thinking that there were some intelligent Browns fans/bloggers who might have an idea of how the organization operates and whether or not they'd consider deals for Quinn. If so, what would they suspect the price would be?
No big deal, though. Good luck fellas.
If Quinn plays at least half decent the last three games, he's not going anywhere- especially for just a fourth rounder. He's shown improvement and is taking care of the ball.
Add in Anderson is toast- we would trade him to you for a sack of seeds, he's owed a $7 million roster bonus in February, and the Browns aren't paying it. So we unload Quinn, we have zero @ qb, and we're not drafting one high, sorry to tell you. Almost certain the Browns will draft D if they're in the top five, unless Suh and Berry are both gone. We could use Okung, but not in the top 5.
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Hi Guys,
As a Rams fan, I definitely feel your pain over another tough season. My question deals with Brady Quinn and what you think the Browns organization would accept in trade for him. Although I realize that he's no Dan Fouts, I find it hard to believe that he's terrible either. Despite it being difficult to grade Quinn (considering the O-line play, lack of a running game, and no WR's), I think that Mangini wants to dump him. And after the mid-season benching, I don't believe that Quinn can fully trust him either.
Like the Browns, I feel as though the Rams can provide him with a maturing O-line for protection. But unlike the Browns, I believe that our running game has the potential to open things up for him more than what he's seen during his tenure with Cleveland. Although I'll take more, I'm only looking for solid - not great, but solid QB play out of Quinn.
What would be your reaction to the Rams offering up a 4th rounder for Quinn?
Dude....The Rams suck. I'm a Browns fan and also a Rams fan. I see way more promise out of the Browns organization. Mainly because of the Rams owner. She needs to sell, and has needed to sell for years, before their is any hope of any kind of turn around. That would be a career ending move for Brady.
Dude....The Rams suck. I'm a Browns fan and also a Rams fan. I see way more promise out of the Browns organization. Mainly because of the Rams owner. She needs to sell, and has needed to sell for years, before their is any hope of any kind of turn around. That would be a career ending move for Brady.
I'm assuming that by "she", you're referring to Georgie Frontiere. Well, she's dead. She died in '08. Her son, Chip Rosenbloom is the new owner. And he put the team up for sale in May, it's just that nobody wants to pay $930 million for a terrible franchise.
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Hi Guys,
As a Rams fan, I definitely feel your pain over another tough season. My question deals with Brady Quinn and what you think the Browns organization would accept in trade for him. Although I realize that he's no Dan Fouts, I find it hard to believe that he's terrible either. Despite it being difficult to grade Quinn (considering the O-line play, lack of a running game, and no WR's), I think that Mangini wants to dump him. And after the mid-season benching, I don't believe that Quinn can fully trust him either.
Like the Browns, I feel as though the Rams can provide him with a maturing O-line for protection. But unlike the Browns, I believe that our running game has the potential to open things up for him more than what he's seen during his tenure with Cleveland. Although I'll take more, I'm only looking for solid - not great, but solid QB play out of Quinn.
What would be your reaction to the Rams offering up a 4th rounder for Quinn?
Hi Guys,
As a Rams fan, I definitely feel your pain over another tough season. My question deals with Brady Quinn and what you think the Browns organization would accept in trade for him. Although I realize that he's no Dan Fouts, I find it hard to believe that he's terrible either. Despite it being difficult to grade Quinn (considering the O-line play, lack of a running game, and no WR's), I think that Mangini wants to dump him. And after the mid-season benching, I don't believe that Quinn can fully trust him either.
Like the Browns, I feel as though the Rams can provide him with a maturing O-line for protection. But unlike the Browns, I believe that our running game has the potential to open things up for him more than what he's seen during his tenure with Cleveland. Although I'll take more, I'm only looking for solid - not great, but solid QB play out of Quinn.
What would be your reaction to the Rams offering up a 4th rounder for Quinn?
I will answer your question in 2 ways:
1. If any GM would trade a high draft choice for Brady Quinn with the idea of Quinn becoming a starter it would not be a wise move.
2. Browns fans have continued to say Quinn has had only 10 starts and needs more time, how many starts do you have to give a guy to show that he is not the quarterback to lead your team. I have seen nothing in Quinn to convince me he will be anything but a backup QB in the NFL
BQ has very poor accuracy, is afraid to throw the ball downfield more than 15 yards and his accuracy past 15 yards is terrible, if we wish to continue to be a losing team then continue to play Quinn and hope he becomes a decent QB, me I have seen enough of BQ to see he is nothing more than a career NFL backup QB. IMO the Browns starting QB for 2010 is not currently on the roster.
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^ Very poor accuracy? I've heard several people on here say that nonsense. I think you'll see in the very near future that that's untrue. I'll leave it out of discussion because his completion percentage isn't there right now.
Afraid to throw downfield? What would make you think that but some absurd scouting report from a guy who fell in love with JaMarcus Russell during workouts? He's not afraid to do it. And he does it quite well.
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^ Very poor accuracy? I've heard several people on here say that nonsense. I think you'll see in the very near future that that's untrue. I'll leave it out of discussion because his completion percentage isn't there right now.
Afraid to throw downfield? What would make you think that but some absurd scouting report from a guy who fell in love with JaMarcus Russell during workouts? He's not afraid to do it. And he does it quite well.
^ Very poor accuracy? I've heard several people on here say that nonsense. I think you'll see in the very near future that that's untrue. I'll leave it out of discussion because his completion percentage isn't there right now.
Man, i hate to rehash the QB crap, especially on accuracy. But if he is an accurate passer, then what do you think he is saving it up for? He hasn't displayed it yet. Even the defenders aren't close enough to intercept him. (BTW, that last part was a joke- sort of). Seriously, why is he holding back all this accuracy talent?
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Hi Guys,
As a Rams fan, I definitely feel your pain over another tough season. My question deals with Brady Quinn and what you think the Browns organization would accept in trade for him. Although I realize that he's no Dan Fouts, I find it hard to believe that he's terrible either. Despite it being difficult to grade Quinn (considering the O-line play, lack of a running game, and no WR's), I think that Mangini wants to dump him. And after the mid-season benching, I don't believe that Quinn can fully trust him either.
Like the Browns, I feel as though the Rams can provide him with a maturing O-line for protection. But unlike the Browns, I believe that our running game has the potential to open things up for him more than what he's seen during his tenure with Cleveland. Although I'll take more, I'm only looking for solid - not great, but solid QB play out of Quinn.
What would be your reaction to the Rams offering up a 4th rounder for Quinn?
I will answer your question in 2 ways:
1. If any GM would trade a high draft choice for Brady Quinn with the idea of Quinn becoming a starter it would not be a wise move.
2. Browns fans have continued to say Quinn has had only 10 starts and needs more time, how many starts do you have to give a guy to show that he is not the quarterback to lead your team. I have seen nothing in Quinn to convince me he will be anything but a backup QB in the NFL
BQ has very poor accuracy, is afraid to throw the ball downfield more than 15 yards and his accuracy past 15 yards is terrible, if we wish to continue to be a losing team then continue to play Quinn and hope he becomes a decent QB, me I have seen enough of BQ to see he is nothing more than a career NFL backup QB. IMO the Browns starting QB for 2010 is not currently on the roster.
I will answer your question in 2 ways:
1. If any GM would trade a high draft choice for Brady Quinn with the idea of Quinn becoming a starter it would not be a wise move.
2. Browns fans have continued to say Quinn has had only 10 starts and needs more time, how many starts do you have to give a guy to show that he is not the quarterback to lead your team. I have seen nothing in Quinn to convince me he will be anything but a backup QB in the NFL
BQ has very poor accuracy, is afraid to throw the ball downfield more than 15 yards and his accuracy past 15 yards is terrible, if we wish to continue to be a losing team then continue to play Quinn and hope he becomes a decent QB, me I have seen enough of BQ to see he is nothing more than a career NFL backup QB. IMO the Browns starting QB for 2010 is not currently on the roster.
there are alot of good qbs that struggled early in their careers, you can't make a final ruling on bq yet. troy aikman and peyton manning are examples of qbs that struggleded early on, but developed quite well. i'm not saying bq is like or will be like manning or aikman, i'm just saying that there were impatient fans like you saying the same exact things about them.
and are you really saying bq can't throw down the field? stop bringing back those old false stories about bq's arm strength. there wasn't one scouting report on bq coming into the draft that said anything about a weak arm. i still have a few if you want to see them.
he threw down the field quite often in nd and if i remember correctly, he's taken some shots downfield in the orange and brown to. i guess you missed games like the one vs detroit? once a young qb gets more starts, more experience and adjusts to the speed of the nfl, they'll become more comfortable and become more aggressive with their passing.
the verdict is still out on bq, it's way too early to tell if he's the browns qb of the future or not. but i'm sure you're just another bq hater.
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^ Very poor accuracy? I've heard several people on here say that nonsense. I think you'll see in the very near future that that's untrue. I'll leave it out of discussion because his completion percentage isn't there right now.
Afraid to throw downfield? What would make you think that but some absurd scouting report from a guy who fell in love with JaMarcus Russell during workouts? He's not afraid to do it. And he does it quite well.
^ Very poor accuracy? I've heard several people on here say that nonsense. I think you'll see in the very near future that that's untrue. I'll leave it out of discussion because his completion percentage isn't there right now.
Afraid to throw downfield? What would make you think that but some absurd scouting report from a guy who fell in love with JaMarcus Russell during workouts? He's not afraid to do it. And he does it quite well.
Sorry but you have lost you mf'ing mind. Quinn isn't JaMarcus, but he's not much better. I'd trade him for a 4th rounder and a pack of smokes.
Maybe if he stopped working out for a while and lost a little muscle he'd stop overthrowing people by 10 yards every time he attempts to go deep. His accuracy is awful.
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There's no sense in my arguing this point right now. We'll have to wait and see what happens with Quinn.
Here are his deep ball stats over the last four: 5-25, 182 yards, 2 TDs
5-25 is very bad. I encourage you, however, to think of those passes in the 20 incompletions that have been dropped.
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I want a first round pick.
What other reason is there to get rid of your starting QB?
And why even trade for him unless you think he can play the position?
WSS
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I hate to be wishy-washy on any subject but anyone who watches the Browns and
Quinn can see both sides of this arguement.
Quinn is not a very accurate passer and does not have the biggest arm in the NFL.
He does not throw deep. His stats are bad. One side of the coin.
Flip the coin over. He is not exactly throwing to Jerry Rice and John Taylor out there
and he doesn't have much around him. Just take a look at the right side of the line.
Pretty scary!!! He has no tight end who can get down the middle. He has no running game.
He has an unimaginative OC in Dabol who is learning his job at the Browns' expense.
Is it the chicken or the egg? Is it Quinn or everything else?
I am of the opinion that it is a little bit of everything.
So what do the Browns do?? IMO I would let Quinn play of the year at the least. See if
he is making progress. I would definitely at this point NOT take a 4th rounder for him.
A first or second rounder I would consider but that is not coming any time soon.
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I hate to be wishy-washy on any subject but anyone who watches the Browns and
Quinn can see both sides of this arguement.
Quinn is not a very accurate passer and does not have the biggest arm in the NFL.
He does not throw deep. His stats are bad. One side of the coin.
Flip the coin over. He is not exactly throwing to Jerry Rice and John Taylor out there
and he doesn't have much around him. Just take a look at the right side of the line.
Pretty scary!!! He has no tight end who can get down the middle. He has no running game.
He has an unimaginative OC in Dabol who is learning his job at the Browns' expense.
Is it the chicken or the egg? Is it Quinn or everything else?
I am of the opinion that it is a little bit of everything.
So what do the Browns do?? IMO I would let Quinn play of the year at the least. See if
he is making progress. I would definitely at this point NOT take a 4th rounder for him.
A first or second rounder I would consider but that is not coming any time soon.
Flip the coin over. He is not exactly throwing to Jerry Rice and John Taylor out there
and he doesn't have much around him. Just take a look at the right side of the line.
Pretty scary!!! He has no tight end who can get down the middle. He has no running game.
He has an unimaginative OC in Dabol who is learning his job at the Browns' expense.
I agree on this. Do you know how many Sundays I watch a QB take a chance and throw the ball in the receivers general direction, while they are covered, and low and behold... They make the play! Drew Brees is famous for this. I used to get mad at B. Edwards even before he started dropping tons of balls for this very reason.
Sometimes, a QB needs to have confidence in that his receiver is going to go get it even if it isn't "dead on" accurate. I see a little of this out of the new TE Moore. As sad as it sounds we need more Moore's
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He hasn;t even started the full 16 games yet and he's already won two... in persepctive Peyton Manning went 1-15 his first year... so no trade and give him time to take his chops...
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Holmgren is a West Coast guy. BQ would likely fit nicely is such a scheme.
You might ask would such a scheme fit nicely into the Cleveland Browns? Have any midwest teams been successful running that offense?
And I will give you the answer: Yes. That team is none other than: The Cleveland Browns.
The West Coast offense is essentially a modification of the offense Paul Brown ran here with Otto Graham at QB. Bill Walsh was an offensive assistant coach with the Bengals under PB. PB had some success with the same offense when he had Greg Cook playing for him early in the Bengals existance. Walsh was somewhat arrogant in claiming that he "invented" the WCO. He did no such thing....unless modifying and tinkering with an offense that your mentor has taught you constitutes "invention".
You might ask would such a scheme fit nicely into the Cleveland Browns? Have any midwest teams been successful running that offense?
And I will give you the answer: Yes. That team is none other than: The Cleveland Browns.
The West Coast offense is essentially a modification of the offense Paul Brown ran here with Otto Graham at QB. Bill Walsh was an offensive assistant coach with the Bengals under PB. PB had some success with the same offense when he had Greg Cook playing for him early in the Bengals existance. Walsh was somewhat arrogant in claiming that he "invented" the WCO. He did no such thing....unless modifying and tinkering with an offense that your mentor has taught you constitutes "invention".
I agree - too much cred given to Walsh - even Jerry Burns OC for the Vikings under Bud Grant used the same version {of the so called WCO} which was using the running backs in the passing game. Chuck Foreman thrived on the passing game as he collected more yardage after the catch, whether a screen or as a "check down" reciever. Fran Tarkenton in the day held some passing records largely because of the open offense.
But even more innovative coaching from Paul Brown includes the vaunted "Tampa 2" defense, which was ran by Cleveland inn the late 60s by HC Blanton Collier/ DC Nick Skorich. So I guess, we still can point to our historic past and see it alive today!!
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He hasn;t even started the full 16 games yet and he's already won two... in persepctive Peyton Manning went 1-15 his first year... so no trade and give him time to take his chops...
He hasn;t even started the full 16 games yet and he's already won two... in persepctive Peyton Manning went 1-15 his first year... so no trade and give him time to take his chops...
In perspective, Derek Anderson took a team that hasn't won 6 games in a season in nearly a decade without him to 10-5 in his first full year.... and LOTS of posters here wanted to trade him. I think all the QBs on the team are fair game for being traded at this point.
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He hasn;t even started the full 16 games yet and he's already won two... in persepctive Peyton Manning went 1-15 his first year... so no trade and give him time to take his chops...
In perspective, Derek Anderson took a team that hasn't won 6 games in a season in nearly a decade without him to 10-5 in his first full year.... and LOTS of posters here wanted to trade him. I think all the QBs on the team are fair game for being traded at this point.
In perspective, Derek Anderson took a team that hasn't won 6 games in a season in nearly a decade without him to 10-5 in his first year.... and LOTS of posters here wanted to trade him. I think all the QBs on the team are fair game for being traded at this point.
Drunky!!!! Where you been man? The DA stuff dropped dead and no Lumfreddy around. This sucks, we need you guys to remind us about DA being a badass. He really is pretty accurate you know, it's just the wind and dropped balls that get him. Like Flugs says, Hurricane Ike was a bitch.
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The trouble with DA is he choked towards the end of 2007 and said something to the tune of "At least I didn;t throw five interception" when he threw four that cost the team a chance to beat the Bengals a second time and to get to the playoffs and was an embarrassment at the Pro Bowl when he got there... Then the next season he didn't do much of anything. I agree he is a badass but I cannot trust him when the game is on the line... he somehow have to throw at least one interception a game... BQ got a good streak going on now with how many passes he threw without an interception and right now, I am liking that... I do feel for DA and hope he could get into a better system where he would shine unless he plays the Browns... Otherwise, he was awesome in 2007...
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For what it's worth, Anderson was VERY good in 2007. It's about what has happened since, however, that strongly suggests that he is not a guy you want to pin any hopes on. And at his salary, you don't want him as a backup.
His last nineteen games: 246 completions, 539 attempts (45.6%), 2736 yards, 14 TDs, 22 INTs, 52.9 rating
For comparison, Quinn's career: 13 games, 174 completions, 336 attempts, 1836 yards, 10 TDs, 7 INTs
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